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Police: 17-year-old dead in ‘pre-arranged fight” on Winona Drive

Published: Mon, August 18, 2014 @ 12:00 a.m.


A member of the Youngstown Police Department collects a gun shell casing as evidence from the middle of Winona Drive on Youngstown’s South Side after a shooting there Sunday evening. At least one person died in the gunfire.

By Ed Runyan



Shawn Cortez, 17, of Ravenwood Avenue was killed in a 6 p.m. “pre-arranged fight” with other teens on Winona Drive on the South Side on Sunday.

Lt. Doug Bobovnyik of the Youngstown Police Department did not confirm witness accounts that 50 or more mostly young men met on Winona for the fight, but said the number of males involved was “a lot.” He said at least eight shots were fired from at least one gun, but many details remain unclear.

He said he didn’t know how many shots were fired or whether Cortez had a weapon on him.

Cortez died at St. Elizabeth Health Center of a gunshot wound to the chest. Bobovnyik said police are not aware of anyone else being hit by the gunfire, which one neighbor said was flying all through the neighborhood, causing her to hide behind a tree.

Neighbors said the conflict involved two groups of young males who approached each other on Winona, a short distance west of Glenwood Avenue.

Words were exchanged as were numerous rounds of gunfire, the witness said. Crime-scene markers showed the location of eight shell casings in the 700 or 800 block of Winona.

Police used crime-scene tape to prevent people from entering much of the site of the shootings, but witnesses said the confrontation involved a much larger area and that the gunfire caused dozens of young men to flee in either direction on Winona.

Cortez collapsed a short distance away and was taken part way to the hospital in a car, then taken the rest of the way in an ambulance.

Neighbors told The Vindicator that the victim had been riding a bicycle, but Bobovnyik said he is not aware of anyone involved being on a bicycle.

Detectives interviewed several witnesses Sunday, but they have others to talk to and have not made any arrests.

“Hopefully with cooperation of witnesses, we will be able to piece it together,” the detective said.

Bobovnyik said it’s unfortunate when young men resort to violence to resolve a conflict.

“Now, one guy’s dead and ... usually it ruins two lives — the kid who died and if we find him, the other guy’s going to spend a lot of his adult life in the penitentiary,” Bobovnyik said.

The death is the city’s ninth homicide of 2014. There were 10 homicides at this time in 2013 in the city.


1Chessiedad(379 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

So one of the headlines attributed to this story read "intense gunfire....on the South Side..". Umm...I'm pretty sure this occurred in an American city, but certainly could be the headline from some battlefield in Iraq or Afghanistan. Yet allowing our local Police Officers to have the same protections afforded our soldiers??? Oh nooo..that's way too scary! This "political correctness" has turned "common-sense" upside down and sooner or later going to get one of our brave men and women in blue, killed. The "inner-cities" have turned into "killing fields" and to even bring up the idea that we shouldn't allow our Police Officers the availability of "bullet resistant" vehicles and other equipment is just absurd.

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2georgejeanie(1538 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Where is the REv. Al and Jesse..? Too busy out in Mo. Causing upheaval.

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32muchtax(897 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Find the scumbag that shot him n
And give hime the death penalty! Eye for eye!

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4handymandave(578 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Wouldn't think of using their fists to fight. Wayyyy to stupid for that.

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5kensgirl(1062 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

It all goes back to women having babies with no fathers or role models to guide them. Mom is doing dope while dad is out making more babies. Same old same old. It's not going to end during our lifetime. It's only going to get worse. Sorry people. Get real here. The days of going to Strouss and McKelveys and a fun day out in Ytown are gone. Who wants to dodge the bullets by some POS who cares less about himself than he does for others. Shame Youngstown was once so great. Now the streets are a battleground. Hope they catch the coward who did this before he kills someone else.

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6DwightK(1537 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

There are large number of people who care about the city and try to make it a better place. Then there are those who think they live in a place where pulling guns and shooting people down is perfectly acceptable. They've failed in life so why not put other people's lives in danger? Where are the parents of these fools?

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7YSU_Alumna(60 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

If one person/neighbor who gathered to watch this fight had called to alert law enforcement, perhaps no one's life would be ended or ruined. The neighbor that had to hide behind a tree; was she out of her home to watch the fight? Why not simply stay inside where mob mentality doesn't usually rule & call 911?? Step up Youngstown. Let cooler heads prevail & stop these hothead kids from killing each other. Sometimes all it takes is a phone.

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8NilesOhio(997 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@DwightK - You're assuming the parents care. Most of the time, they're children themselves. They're perpetuating a purely destructive, selfish culture.

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9billdog1(5942 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

America's demise will be America itself. We don't need terrorist attacks or any other outside entity. We will destroy ourselves from with in. This mentality is more normal than abnormal. I have to agree that it has much to do with unwed mothers, fathers that are only involved when there is money or attention to be gained. Our youth has no chance.

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10Chessiedad(379 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

You are "spot on" billdog1! You read my mind! Please read my post #4, in the article about the riots in Ferguson, MO. And, unfortunately, sooner than later, with the streets of Y-town resembling the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, we will probably see similar situations happening here.

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11valleypoboy(227 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Glad you folks have all the answers. Why don't you run for mayor?

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12dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@valley. No gov official or one person can correct the problem. The only people who can fix the problem is the communities where this is happening. I'm sure MANY people knew about this pre arraigned fight, but not one of them called the police to advise them. They probably pulled up lawn chairs hoping for some afternoon entertainment. People in their own communities have to take their own neighborhoods back, PERIOD.

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13kensgirl(1062 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

valleypoboy - maybe you don't like hearing the truth. You'd rather bury your head in the sand and say we are all racists. The facts speak for themselves. The thug mentality is alive and well in Ytown and as long as the thugettes keep spitting out kids that grow up raising themselves on the streets nothing will change. Own it. And by the way if things keep going the way the history of the Youngstown has been then McNally might NEED a replacement. Why don't YOU run poboy? Maybe you have the secret on what to do with all the murders and how to prevent them! Let the rest of us in on it!

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14MFC997(261 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I predict the amount of "credible witnesses" will be less than that in Ferguson.
Try zero or the usual.

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15mouse(112 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Question.... if a white teen was killed by a black cop,,,,would a gang of whites go out looking for black business's to loot & destroy?

There was a time in our country when they called a man a boy,,,,now they want to call a boy a man.
If you make babies & don't support them.....you are a boy....

p.s.why are we allowing fathers to get by with out supporting these babies? If the mom doesn't want to tell who the father is.....then let her figure out how to support them...I'm tired of being taxed to death because of some one running around acting like a dog in heat.............

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16DACOUNTRYBOY(1259 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Plenty of guns and ammo are available in the city with no license needed for the freedom to kill people at will. They don't even have to dispose of the bodies. Someone else does it for them. This civilization isn't mild it is totally wild!

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17captainpeewee(76 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

kensgirl hit the nail on the head , between baby momma and the sperm farmers of Youngstown they have destroyed Youngstown for ever who in there right mind would put a factory or a business in Youngstown you would have to have rocks in your head,

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18billdog1(5942 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Thequins, the clergy has done their job. They have removed the message parlors, cried about the cut down trees in the garden and named themselves a coalition. They have their take back the city food parties, and pencil give away for school, what more do you want?

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19JoeFromHubbard(1812 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@ theguins:

You've got a thought there but remember, God helps those who help themselves.

I think these punks are beyond help.

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20JoeFromHubbard(1812 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Ah, just a thought: maybe the fighters could advertise the next time and collect admission (to jail.)

Along those lines, wouldn't it be nice if the police had some inside intel? Of course, that would be racially incorrect.

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21kensgirl(1062 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

God forbid we are racially incorrect! I heard today that white people can no longer say the word ninja. It's supposed to replace the N word in white culture. Really? Who thought THAT nonsense up? This world has become more than crazy. It will implode upon itself. We are destroying ourselves and each other. We kill over religion. We kill over land. Now young men are killing each other over being "dissed". Idiots. As long as there are liberals who spit on the Constitution (yes, you do it too) this country doen't have too far to go become extinct. Everyone has their "rights" and the rest of us are left with gaping mouths. The only thing left will be the cockroaches.

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22captainpeewee(76 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

White people must come to grips with the fact that the experiment to integrate primates into civilization is a failure no country on earth has succeeded,

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23YtownParent(1075 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

This delinquents lack any positive role models at home and in society. Nonexistent parents are only half the problem. No one in the White House nor Congress has been an example of civil society during these punk's lifetimes. Closer to home we have Mayor McNally, who at the very least committed perjury, as well as Scorintino, who the Sheriff's Department escorts home instead of charging for OVI. Then there is the Youngstown City Council, all who broke the law, by not redistricting, and assumed seats that they have no legal right to sit in. Add to it the YPD and YFD who have systematically stolen from citizens by raiding the water department funds. When the population is led by criminals who have no regard for anyone but themselves, the people they govern will grow up to be exactly the same way.

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24JoeFromHubbard(1812 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@ captainpeewee:

Aye Aye Captain !

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25kensgirl(1062 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

It could be worse. We could be living in Ferguson. Open up the water hoses and aim. Hope they know how to swim.

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26DSquared(1788 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

What a shame that these future Rocket Scientists won't have a chance to go to M.I.T.!!

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27borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

What we're all doing here is missing the big picture. Blacks on blacks is what 's getting the news, but what's happening in Ferguson,Mo. is the real threat. Blacks are trying real hard to someday have control of this country. It started with civil rights movement (a noble cause), but it was hijacked by the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan factions where their goal is to cause whites to become inferior to the blacks. Whites are afraid of what blacks will do, riot, extort, boycott and anything else to intimidate. Civil right laws were passed ( ok in principle ), hate laws passed and of course our right to speak out. This is called political correctness and it's used to shut down anybody trying to talk about racism in this country from a white's point of view. Even in these posts we're all using n------ instead of the "word". We're afraid to use the word or out of respect we don't use it. However, we can' t use many, many words anymore. In Ferguson after the Tryvon Martin incident, there had to be more than being upset, it had to come to real rioting and a rush to judgement. They have to instill the fear in whites what happens if they don't get their own way.
Having babies is also part of the plan due to numbers. The more blacks there are, the more possible votes someday. More legit power electing blacks to office and making laws. President Obama was elected because he was black, no other reason. Getting the future votes to the polls is now getting easier with longer voting times, absentee ballots and no ID required. Whites are suppressing the minority vote is the mantra. This is why black leaders don't denounce out of wedlock babies and the price these kids pay to someday become pawns.
Blacks stick together and it's about time whites do. We have no White Panthers. We have no white leaders. We have no where to go when there's black on white crime. The real fear is we are now in the proverbial corner and no where to go. The black on white assaults are soon to come and just in case I'm right, what can we do about it?
Just leave me alone and quit shoving racism down my throat. I can't help what happened hundreds of years ago. Contribute to society, call yourselves Americans and let's move on.

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28captainpeewee(76 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

borylie, right on, the liberal doctrine started in 1960 and this is ware they taken us teaching whites to hate our self's you can find whites that would help blacks to kill there families white girls on there knees in the ghetto bobbing for apples white liberal men are so lame the blacks laugh at them.

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29HSG(186 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

thanx. Captain, for that scintillating analysis. You managed to include racial and gender sterotyping, generalizing, and some serious grammatical errors, all in just a single sentence!

Quite remarkable.

Hint: the collective of 'ourself's' is ourselves.- they just changed it.

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30billdog1(5942 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

borylie, Obammy got elected because his opponent was a joke. It's prehistoric thinking like yours that breads hate.

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31borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

billdog, Whether or not Mitt Romney was qualified, of which we'll never know, President Obama has proven he's not qualified. What part of my prehistoric thinking breeds hate? Do you "think" calling Mitt Romney a joke doesn't breed hate? Do you "think" calling my thinking and opinions prehistoric, breeds hate? Too bad you liberal/democrats resort to this kind of rhetoric and actually think you're making a point. Read my post again and you'll see it wasn't about President Obama, it's about white people having no say in the racism we are accused of, we can't defend ourselves from these charges. If we defend ourselves we're racist,if we remain quiet, it's like we're accepting these charges. Lose-lose. Hope you can understand this.

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32dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Wait, Steivo, or Eivo said that there isn't any racism.

Bill dog, I like you since you have some common sense and are rational.

Pee wee, sorry, you are a racist.

Borylie, sounds like you were home schooled at your weekly KKK meetings. So many wrongs in your comments, I won't even break it down, or begin to debate with ignorance.

Remember, your white people took over this country from the Indians.

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33borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

dontbeaa--, On July 19th I commended you for the civil debate we had at that time. Now you're calling me ignorant. If you don't want to debate me or give me a basis for all my wrongs, then why did you even acknowledge me? What the heck does the Indians have to do with my posts? Then your black people sold off other blacks for slavery to other countries. Don't you forget that! And so what's wrong with Pee Wee being a racist? He's allowed, isn't he? KKK not allowed. I'm going to start a NCAAP. National Association for the Advancement of Caucasian People, I need someone to turn to. You have a problem with that?

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34borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

dontbeaa--, I meant NAACP, excuse me.

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35dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

you have the RIGHT to be anything that you want to be, but that doesn't make it RIGHT. I'm not going back and forth, because it would be like arguing with a wall because you are clearly entrenched into your beliefs. I will clarify the indian statement. You are afraid that blacks are trying to take over your land/country. I just wanted to remind you that this wasn't our land to begin with. The whites from another land came and took it over. Where is the outrage? I do understand the frustrations that you have with some organizations such as the NAACP, programs such as equal opportunity which is reverse racism, and other stuff. I do too. I would just like to treat all people fairly and equally until that INDIVIDUAL deserves otherwise.

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36borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

So I'm entrenched in my beliefs and I have prehistoric thinking, yet you are with me in the fact that there is in deed reverse racism, my premise for posting. Man, you're confusing. I don't want blacks killing blacks, I don't want whites killing whites, I don't want blacks killing whites and I don't want whites killing blacks. I just want to know who can I turn to when blacks kill us whites. Any idea?

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37dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

yes I have an idea, call the police! Obviously they do something since the highest amount of people in prison are BLACK PEOPLE by far.
I agree when a black person kills another black person, unjustly, the black community should have the same rage as if it was white on black. They shouldn't loot or riot, but be protesting for justice.
And if a white person was killed by a black person, the white community should do the same.
I think the recent anger being displayed is more about police using deadly or excessive force unnecessarily. Like the cop who repeatedly punced the old lady in the face on the side of the road in CA.
You just sound very paranoid about a takeover of blacks, yet they are sitting at the bottom of the heap in education, and in wealth. Italians have big families too, maybe they are trying to bolster their numbers and are plotting to take over the country too. At least the food will be good.

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38cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I learn so much from the posters on this board. One gangbanger kills another and now I've learned that the streets of Youngstown are turning into the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The country is on the road to extinction.

Blacks are primates who are trying to control the country.

There is a conspiracy by blacks to have more babies that will vote and elicit black people and take over the country.

Blacks teach whites to kill their white girls.

You people crack me up. You're like a bunch of hysterical little girls. That's what being a bigot does to you.

A bigot is a person who looks at the very worst in a nationality or race and the paints that entire nationality or race with that brush. Like all Italians are in the Mob, all Jews are cheats, all Irish are drunks, all Polish are stupid, all Germans are Jew hating Nazis, all whites are in the klan.

It's not hard to see who the bigots are in this thread. bor-y-lie you are at the top of the heap. You cry about being called a racist but you prove it with every post. No one cares so you should just own it. Be proud of it, y-lie?

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39JoeFromHubbard(1812 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

This whole thing would not have started if the "victim" had followed police orders.

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40borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Hey Cambridge, If you want to review my posts, you'll see where I've agreed that I'm a racist and anything else you want to call me. I'm not backing down because you're trying to label me, thus shut down my free speech. That's what liberal/democrats do. So I surely don't cry about it in any post you dolt. So if I'm a bigot or a racist, I Don't Care! And by the way I'm voting for Dr. Ben Carson, if he runs for president. Yes, a black man. You going to vote for him, or are you a bigot? You know Cambridge I debate a lot of posters on here, but by far you irritate me the most because you're nothing but an agitator, not a problem solver. So answer my question here today, where do whites go when there's black on white crime? Throw out your red herring, you won't answer the question!

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41borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

fool, Call me paranoid or anything else you want to call me today. It's possible I could be right and possibly I can see this I write about happening. You obviously can't see past yesterday. Call the cops? Someone called the cops in Ferguson, a white cop shows up. Possibly had to do what he had to do. Now there's an all attempt to shove justice aside, so we can placate Al Sharpton. A few years ago, I believe in the Victory apartments, residents were complaining about crime and how the police weren't patrolling their neighborhood. Then the police were patrolling and the residents complained that the police were unfairly targeting the blacks in the neighborhood. So as a white person and I call the cops , how does that ensure me my assailant gets what's coming to him or her. Do I riot, intimidate, boycott or anything else I wouldn't be allowed to do as a white person?

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42cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie.....in the case of any crime by anyone I would call the police. What would you do?

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43borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

cambridge, Depends on whether I'm dead or alive.

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44cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie....lol, you ask me a question and claim I won't answer it. I answer it and ask you to answer your own question and you evade answering it. Typical. You are a funny guy!

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45JoeFromHubbard(1812 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Looks like I stepped into the middle of something.

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46borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

cambridge, If I'm black and dead someone will call Al Sharpton. Then If a white person did it, I'd hope they riot in my honor. If I'm white and dead , call the morgue.

Joe, Don't step in, jump in. Hubbard, great little town.

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47dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Bro, just call the cops and let it either be their problem, or the the perps problem. Well at least you admit that u are a racist, I can respect you more than half of these people on here faking that they aren't. Just do me a favor and tell STEIVO that you are racist since he doesn't believe it exists. To me it sounds like you are really angry that you don't get the opportunity to riot. Get a group of your white friends together, find a cause, and take it to the streets. Should be a stress reliever for you.

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48DSquared(1788 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Borylie, You've got to remember my friend, that these liberals suffer from a terminal case of "White Guilt". They just can't apologize enough for being born a Caucasion. So go easy on them! lol

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49steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I love how some on this board play the race card over and over. This person is a racist, that person is a racist, blah, blah, blah. But as soon as you mention Ben Carson, they would never vote for him as President. Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom. They don't like Allen West either. Thomas Sowell doesn't know what he is talking about.

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50dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Stupid comparison STEIVO AS USUAL. So what you are saying is that since I point out a racist when there is a racist, I must then vote for any or all black candidates, despite what their political views or records are, even if they don't coincide with my political views. Makes perfect sense.
Borylie admits he is racist, and the other joker referred to blacks as primates, but I'm playing the race card? It is hard to even have a rational conversation with someone about race when that person states that racism doesn't even exists, it is imaginary, and falsely perceived.

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51cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

dontbeafool.....you don't understand, when it comes to people like skeevoeivo, all their information is from the fix noise network, teabagger emails and the voices in their heads. You're never going to win trying to rationalize with someone like that. bor-y-lie is another example, the guy still won't answer his own question. All you can do is laugh.

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52NBees(53 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

My first thoughts reading this story was "times sure have changed" as groups of youths meeting each other for a pre-arranged fight is nothing new - my daddy tells stories of his boyhood antics, boys from this street meeting the boys from that street (all little white boys) for fights and how he's been hit with rocks thrown from sling shots. And boys shooting at each other with homemade bows and arrows, fighting with stick swords and garbage can lid shields. The only difference from the 1940s is an extremely poor choice of weapons - anyone scared enough to bring a gun to a fight has no business going to a fight. Just being realistic here - boys (of any race) set on fighting are not going to hold hands and sing kum-by-ya.

Then I read the comments... OMG, racism is alive and active in Youngstown, Ohio. Primates? I have not heard that rhetoric in decades. It is so easy to hate entire segments of our population if you convince yourself that they are not exactly 100% human. I suppose that warped logic was used by "Christian" men who left their marriage beds to seek gratification in the slave quarters.

It also bewilders me, this talk of blacks taking over the country... blacks, Hispanics, Latinos, Muslims, depending on what day it is, one or the other is trying to take over the country and push the white man out. Good grief... can't y'all just accept that America is a melting pot and white is just one of the colors stirred in?

What am I thinking? Of course not... anyone who is not exactly like you is not exactly human and therefore cannot be trusted. To be racist is to live in fear - doesn't matter what your race is, to be racist is living in fear.

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53Chessiedad(379 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@Nbees...good post, and I mostly agree with your points, with the exception of "muslims...trying to take over the country..." We see videos and statements, daily, by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas and other islamic organizations, that in fact DO want to "take over the U.S.A.". Also, I agree that the reference to "primates" was way out of line, but let me draw a parallel. I just heard Capt. Ron Johnson of the M.S.H.P., and one of the "on-scene" Commanders at the riots in Ferguson, MO, report that the protesters were " throwing urine" on the Police. What other species throws bodily fluids and excrement at their adversaries? Now, I know that there are protesters of all races and colors, present, and the point I'm trying to make is that this type of activity is usually reserved for savages or animals, no matter their race, creed or color. Just sayin'.

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54steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Of course I never ever said there was no racism. If you bother to look back, what I said was there was a small amount of white on black racism and a small amount of black on white racism, but the vast majority of the racism is imaginary. You decided to mischaracterize my position in order to, once again, play the race card.
If you don't support any and all black politicians because they disagree with your position, why can't I do exactly the same thing without being called a racist?

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55borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

It's well documented what blacks want whites to do or society in general. Affirmative action, reparations, hate laws, understanding the black history, and really there's much more that whites have been asked to do to improve race relations. Can anyone tell me what's been asked of blacks what they can do to improve race relations? Asked why they are so supposedly so disliked, what brings this hate on? What do any of you posters think blacks can do? This an attempt to have the dialogue that everyone keeps talking about that needs done. Can we keep this dialogue civil?

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56dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

1. maybe you can copy and paste a poll that you are famous for, showing that 99% of racism is falsely perceived.
2. Are you sure you are being called a racist, or are you just falsely perceiving it?

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57steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Since you made the claim, I will let you copy and paste it.

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58dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I didn't think that you could find a poll to match your views this time.

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59cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie....great questions. I think the reason some people express such "dislike and hate" for black people is that when they hear of one black person committing a crime they actually see an entire race committing the crime.

Obviously this thinking is not normal. So why do some people have such an irrational way of thinking? I would say these people have a deep rooted inferiority complex and it's a defensive mechanism so they can feel better about themselves.

The fact that you are asking for help is a good thing. Admitting that you have a problem is the first step in a cure. I'm sure that if you get yourself some professional help you will start feeling better about yourself and start thinking of others more rationally. Good luck.

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60borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

cambridge, You're absolutely correct. You hit the nail on the head. Blacks can't come forward with any way to help race relations because they're too stupid. Wish I could of thought of that, but you figured it out all by yourself. Why don't you like blacks, other than for the reasons in your posts? Have a great day!

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61steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Good luck with your question. Left wing loonies are unable to answer your question "What do any of you posters think blacks can do?". There is something in a left wing loonies DNA that does not permit them to answer this question. All you will get is blah, blah, blah you are a racist, blah, blah, blah, he is a racist, blah, blah, blah, they are racists.
But I will be more than glad to step up to the plate and give you some answers. How about:
1) Quit whining and crying about discrimination. If you interview and don't get a job, don't whine about discrimination. All of us have been unsuceesful getting a job at one time or another. Go out and get more training and education and take a lower job until there is an opening you want.
2) If there is a court decision like O.J. Simpson do not cheer it. Instead, be revolted by it and critisize it like the rest of the country. I can tell you right now, if O.J were white, I would have no sympathy with him and I would be hoping that he got the death penalty.
3) If a person is shot by the police, don't automatically assume the police are at fault before you even know the facts. Nobody in the country knows what happened in Ferguson yet there are nightly riots and looting. Once again, I can assure you if a white person was shot by the police, I would not automatically assume the police were at fault.
4) Don't assume that every last person that disagrees with your politics is a racist.

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62stievo(17 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

5) If you are black and are called a primate, don't just automatically assume the person calling you that is racist.

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63dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

JS are you seriously trying to defend the primate comment? Get real and come back to reality.
If a black person called you a dumb a$$ cracker, would you be okay with it because the definition of a cracker is a dried piece of bread? Talk about spin control mode. Defending that showed your true colors.

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64borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

steivo, Sincerely,thank you. I could add 100 things blacks and white trash could do to be accepted. You know it too, but thanks for helping getting possibly some real dialogue going here. Who am I kidding.

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65cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie....wow a hundred things. How about you sharing maybe a half dozen things YOU can do in YOUR personal life that would improve race relations.

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66steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

See what I mean, it i just not in their genetic make up to answer your question.

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67borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

cambridge, my personal life? You announced in one of your posts that your gay and now you hate gay black people? Man, you're hard to figure.

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68dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Okay JS, try going down in a black community and start calling people primates and see what happens. I'm sure after you give them your lesson on Don Q and show them the definition that you found on line of a primate, they will engage you in a friendly conversation.

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69borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

fool, so you agree that if anybody (non-blacks) went into the "black community" and spoke their mind, they'd be met with violence? Why wouldn't they try and show JS how to get along and be civil? Fool, I don't think you give the black community much credit.

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70steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

They continue to talk about what white people should or shouldn't do (that has been discussed ad infinitum), but no answer at all to your original question "What should blacks do"

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71cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie....Ha, there is no end to your delusions. I'm not gay, never said I was gay, never said I hate black people or hate gay black people. Those are all things you claim I have said which proves you are nothing but an insignificant loser and a liar. You're a joke, you should just go crawl back under your rock.

You want to throw a bunch of questions out for others but when you're asked too answer your own questions you throw a hissy fit. You make me laugh and the fact that y out say I get under your skin makes me smile. :-)

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72borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Google Huffington Post. Cambridge assaults black gay lover, receives diversity training in lieu of jail. So who are you kidding. Take a break from posting and try to get a normal life.

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73borylie(951 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Everybody ought to take 6 minutes and 18 seconds and Google Jonathan Gentry/You Tube. It will be time well spent on improving race relations if people would only listen to this guy.

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74cambridge(4149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

bor-y-lie....it's pathetic that you would lie about a poster on this board because you can't debate them. That's just more of your insecurity coming out, you trying too feel better about yourself.

Your resorts to lies just proves your lack of credibility. I said in an earlier post that you should seek some help for your low self esteem issues. I doubt it would help, I think you're already too far gone.

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75handymandave(578 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

This might of helped in Ferguson:


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76Chessiedad(379 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


I totally forgot about that! Hilarious, but eerily prophetic.

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77steivo(540 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Does anyone else notice the complete lack of media coverage over Brown's beating of the police officer in Ferguson to point that he was nearly unconscious with a broken eye socket. It just doesn't fit their narrative. Instead we get Holder telling us how demeaning it was for him to be pulled over by the police. Is there even one person in the entire country who has not been pulled over by the police at least once in their lives.

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78Chessiedad(379 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Unfortunately Officer Wilson will be the "sacrificial lamb" served up to satisfy the "bloodlust" of the "race-baiters" like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Eric Holder. It matters not that Officer Wilson was engaged in a battle to save his life, not to mention attempting to protect society from the menace that afflicts communities, across the Nation. And now, as the credibility of the "number one" witness to the incident is found to be suspect, with him having a history of lying to the Police, I can't wait to see the "spin" the "race-baiters" will use to provide cover for that! This, along with the fact that out of almost two hundred arrests during the riots, only seven persons were from Ferguson, MO. More proof that this wasn't only a "lawful gathering" on behalf of Brown, but more an excuse to loot and steal from law-abiding citizens, and an attempt to let "anarchy" run rampant.

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79wolfrun1(100 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Its sad ... dontbeafool.... cannot get it correct .... its " Native Americans" .... and i am one very proud one ...... its very simple .... if you are not happy here return to your native lands ...

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80dontbeafool(2095 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@wolf, I never said I wasn't happy here, I love and served my country. I was stating earlier to another commenter who was making comments about other races taking over his country. I reminded him that this land was taken over by the white people and actually belonged to Native Americans (sorry if Indians was offensive). So you are mad at me for that statement? please explain why. Btw, this IS my native country, and my parents, and grandparents as well.
As I also said earlier about this violence in Ytown, that the only way to reduce it was if the communities fought and took back their communities. Last night on the news, a black group in the community rallied for violence to stop. They also questioned where the parents in this case were, and they were also appalled by the other people who watched, video taped, and encouraged the violence. They preached accountability and didn't blame public officials or the police! It will not stop it, but I was happy to see some group be courageous enough to basically codemn their fellow neighbors, and say this isn't acceptable.

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81DACOUNTRYBOY(1259 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Just call it the sign of the times. These neighborhoods have evolved over the years and the police are looked upon as the invaders. They resent outside control. They now are an integral part of Americana. The rights and wrongs of today aren't your grandfathers rights and wrongs.

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