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Scientists seek sites to pump fracking wastes

Published: Mon, September 23, 2013 @ 12:00 a.m.

By Spencer Hunt

Columbus Dispatch


Battelle scientists are leading a search for sites where companies can safely pump fracking wastes underground in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

The two-year project, funded by a $1.8 million U.S. Department of Energy grant, is a response to the growing amount of polluted wastewater that bubbles out of fracked shale wells. Millions of barrels of the wastes are pumped into disposal wells, many of which are in Ohio.

With more drilling and fracking expected, oil and gas companies will need to find the best locations to safely inject more waste, said Neeraj Gupta, senior research leader for Battelle’s subsurface-resources group.

“That’s one of our objectives. Where is the injection capacity?” Gupta said.

Right now, it’s in Ohio, where more than 14.2 million barrels of fracking fluids and related wastes from oil and gas wells were pumped into 190 disposal wells last year. That was a 12-percent increase over 2011.

Much of the waste — 8.16 million barrels last year — came from Pennsylvania, which has seven active disposal wells. West Virginia has 63 disposal wells.

The fracking process pumps millions of gallons of water, sand and chemicals underground to shatter the shale and free its trapped oil and gas. Some of the fluid bubbles back up, along with ancient saltwater that contains toxic metals and radium.

Environmental advocates say they worry that old, poorly maintained disposal wells will leak pollutants to groundwater.

“Ohio has injected enough waste into all of the different strata,” said Teresa Mills, fracking coordinator for the Buckeye Forest Council. “They just need to stop it.”

Mark Bruce, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources, said state geologists will provide mapping data and core samples to help Gupta’s team map the extent and capacity of injection zones.

“The more information you have, the better and the easier it is to make the decisions that have to be made,” Bruce said.


1willinnyny(121 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

How many people in Ohio will suffer the Consequences of Fracking Waste Water Pollution --- Cancers, Parkinsons, Multiple Sclerosis, etc., etc. --- in the future?

Fracking will turn Ohio into a Polluted, Dangerous DUMP.

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2cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Big oil and gas have been polluting and destroying communities in other countries forever. Now it's Ohio's turn. It's all about the money to them. They don't live in the same communities you do. You won't see a rig or containment well on their property or any where near it.

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3cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Robx.....we should get our energy from solar, wind, geothermal, landfill gas and any other clean, green and renewable energy available. You're welcome.

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4RoyH(38 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I dont see why we just dont walk everywhere. If you have to actually go somewhere far, I guess you could take a bus in extreme circumstances. Or get a rich person's / hollywood star's private jet.

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5walter_sobchak(2728 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Don't forget that fracking is also causing landowners to suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome from endorsing the checks they are receiving each month for royalties on the gas and oil being extracted.

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6cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

walter....I notice you reference big oil and gas writing the checks for a few land owners. Nothing about the community or the environment left contaminated for generations? Nice to know your priorities.

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7cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UslessShrimp....nothing to be jealous about, I'm a millionaire and worth more than you'll ever be both monetarily and morally.

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8cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UselessShrimp.....my home is paid for. One of my golf buddies and his wife just sold a comparable home in my neighborhood and are going to live full time in their other home in Palm Springs. They listed their home for $989,000 and got multiple offers. The house sold in twelve days for $1,160,000. Oh, and he is also a retired Industrial Pipefitter.

You accused me of being jealous of sell outs making money from big oil and gas. I just pointed out that I don't have anything to be jealous about. I worked hard, invested in stocks and California real estate and my net worth is close to two million and growing. I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. Sounds like your the jealous one to me. You invested in ditch shrimp, tax evasion and being the defendant in countless lawsuits. That's why you can only rant at anyone else's success. You're an exposed fraud and a loser and everyone knows it.

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9cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UselessShrimp....tell you what, you open an escrow account and put $100,000 in it and have one of your many lawyers draw up a contract winner take all. You contact my username through the Vindy. with the number and info of the escrow account through your lawyer. I'll provide a clean deed and appraisal for my house, a statement of my Etrade account, a statement of my 401 account and statements of my bank accounts. I'll put $100,000 in the escrow account and if the assets I listed don't add up to more than a million you walk away with all the money. If the assets add up to more than a million then I walk with all the money. Well "Ron the UselessShrimp Farmer" what do you want to do?

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10cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UselessShrimp....I don't need an attorney to do a title search and appraisal on my own house or provide documentation of my assets. I've been contacted username to username anonymously by email through the Vindy before.

I've already told you what to do. Open an escrow account and deposit the money. Send me the email with the name of the escrow company and account number along with the name and number of your attorney. I'll explain the same conditions I did in my previous post and let your attorney draw up the contract. When your attorney mails me the contract to my PO box I'll deposit my $100,000 and provide proof of assets that exceed one million and take your money.

You know what town I live in so when I provide proof there won't be any doubt that it's Cambridge and your dream of knowing who I am will finally come true on the day I take your money. If you're so sure I can't produce the proof then either step up or crawl back under your rock and go away.

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1176Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

What are you afraid of UticaShale? Cambridge said he'd put his $100k in an escrow account and you do the same. If everything he provides doesn't prove to be true you take all. It's your lawyer that would draw up the winner take all. Aren't you the one asking everyone to prove everything? Why don't you step up? Or maybe you're the one who's just a lot of hot air.

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12cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UselessShrimp....I would have a title company do the title search and an appraiser do the appraisal. What I'm not going to do is leave you a way out. You're a lowlife scammer and I'm not going to give you a back door where you can check out at the last minute. Put that money in the account and it will be the last time you see it.

Don't worry though, I'll throw you a bone. I'll have a party and invite 76, ABC and BigBen but I'll buy the party hats from you. That way you'll feel like you made a couple bucks.

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13southsidedave(5199 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The last few posts got me laughing, yet; the seriousness of fracking by-products and wastes cannot be laughed at.

In fact, there is so much money at stake for big business and landowners alike, that fracking is most likely to increase exponentially in the near future.

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14cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

UselessShrimp....The term "up side down" in the real estate market refers to property that has a loan on it that exceeds it's value.

I can pay a title company to do a title search that proves that there are no loans or leans on my home and I own it free and clear. I can pay an appraiser to determine the market value of my home.

You don't get to pick and choose which of my assets I use that proves my net worth.

As much as I enjoy watching you make a fool of your self, your obsession with me is actually getting kind of creepy.

You should just go back to trying to pass off that polluted ditch shrimp "Ron the UslessShrimp Farmer" or you could even go back to sneaking on other peoples property and cutting their trees down so you can sell it for firewood. Really, how desperate do you have to be to cut other peoples trees down and sell the wood? After reviewing your court records the answer would be pretty desperate.

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1576Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

stateline: 1.) When we know better, we do better. I realize that history repeats itself but since we know that the mills caused environmental damage we need prevent, not repeat what happened. Our health depends on it.

2.) An asset is something that is owned, a liability is something that is owed.

For most people, their greatest asset is their home. If you purchased your home 30 years ago and continued to pay your mortgage without refinancing, your payment would be level, your home value would have increased and you probably would own your home. Contrast that to renting, you pay your rent each month, the rent continues to increase over the years and you own nothing after 30 years. The market is cyclical so even if the home you bought 30 years ago for $100K increased in value to $500k and the market fell 50%, you are still holding title to a home worth $250K vs renting = zero. The number one rule to real estate is location, location, location and unfortunately, Youngstown has not been the very best location but it still provides a homeowner with a better alternative than renting.

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1676Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

stateline: "you pay taxes, interest, upkeep, utilities"
1. taxes and interest are tax deductible, a point that I did not bring up in my previous post because, depending on your tax bracket that amount will vary according to your tax bracket.
2. Upkeep is necessary to maintain the value and can increase the value of your property at sale. Pride of ownership means you enhance your home to make it even better than the day you moved in.
3. Utilities...lame... you pay utilities whether you rent or own!
4. Are you saying that after 30 years, when you sell your house for a profit you would have been better off renting? You didn't factor in the years of rent that you would have spent (nothing to show for) and the fact that your rent continues to rise year after year.

I challenge you to find a comparable home for rent that costs less than the cost of a mortgage at our current interest rates unless you cannot qualify. I will say that one way of coming out ahead would be to follow the wise advice of living below your means and investing your money but again, you have to factor in what you are willing to give up to rent below your means.


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17cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

stateline....I bought my house in 1984 for $165,000 and paid it off in twenty three years. If I put it on the market today I would receive multiple offers and would be accepting an offer in the neighborhood of 1 million in less than three weeks.

My property tax and insurance combined are around $450 per month and the property tax is deductible.

If I rented my home today it would be a minimum of $3,500 per month instead of the current $450 before deductions.

I can pull a ton of money out of my house using a reverse mortgage and use that money for another investment with no obligation to pay that money back until I sell my home which I have no intention of doing or until I die.

Please explain how my home is a liability because I'm missing something.

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18cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

stateline....$3,500 a month is what it would cost me to rent the house I live in. Since I own it I only pay $450 a month in property tax and insurance before tax credits. My property tax is a little over $4,500 a year and my house insurance is $827.

If you want to know why my property tax is so low you can look of "California prop. 13".

If you take a reverse mortgage you make no payments on the principal of the loan or the interest until you sell or die. I have no intention of selling so I can make a part of my equity work for me as investments.

As far as if you believe me or not I couldn't care less. Believe what you want.

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1976Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Stateline: We'll agree to disagree. A house is an asset not a liability....unless...you own a house next to a hydraulic fracking site! Just try to sell or get a loan on that one! LOL!

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20walter_sobchak(2728 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Most of the people that live next to a hydraulic fracturing site will be included in the pool and receive royalties from the natural resources extracted. Over the last month, I have traveled to Wellsville, Lisbon, Columbiana, Hanoverton, Carrollton, Orrville, etc.. I have seen a lot of new farm equipment, trucks, barns, sheds, pole buildings. Somebody is making some money. Fairway Ford in Canfield sold 94 new F-150's in August! Farmers and oil and gas workers! I also see a large plant being built in Hanoverton and numerous pipelines being installed. And, how about the Intermodal Facility in Wellsville! That could be used to ship millions of tons of coal but it, of course, is evil and we are shutting down the coal-fired power plants because they are killing us. But, let's all become fracophobes because we are "destroying" the earth. WHAT A CROCK!

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21cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

walter....if you're looking to buy a new home for your family are you going to buy one that has a rig, injection well, containment pond or pipeline in the back yard? Do you want your family drinking the well water on that property? Do you want your family eating produce or livestock raised on land with a rig, injection well, containment pond or pipeline on it?

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22cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

walter....here is an article about a wheat farmer harvesting his field when he found an oil spill on his property the size of seven football fields after an underground pipeline on his land ruptured. Do you want wheat from those fields in the food chain?


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2376Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Uticashale: Are you trying to say you own that property or you wish you owned that property?

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24cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

UselessShrimp....some interesting reading from a past Vindy thread. I got such a kick out of comment 21 so much I thought I'd share it. Enjoy!

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2576Ytown(1371 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Utica: Your numbers are off according to your marcellashale website posts. The voodoo economics is in your numbers.

No jealousy on Cambridge's part, or anyone else's for that matter. You're the one who asks for proof. He's just willing to prove it.

What will you say to your children and grandchildren in 20 years when the wells run dry, you and are left with desolate ground, polluted air and water, and sickness caused by chemical exposure? Oh, don't tell me. You plan to invest in property in CA or some other healthy place on Earth leaving a wasteland behind.

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26cambridge(4158 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

UselessShrimp....great post, very informative. You know who else posts informative comments....TAXEDOFF. The Vindy. ran an article a while back about deadbeat slumlords and TAXEDOFF left a comment. I enjoyed it so much I thought I would cut and paste it, you know just to share.

TAXEDOFF(118 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Ron Eiselstein is one of the biggest tax deadbeats in Mahoning County one check on the Mahoning County Clerk of Courts website. under his name shows hundreds of lawsuits and unpaid liens for taxes. This is the kind of scum that should not be allowed to own property in Youngstown

Ron Eiselstein has 50 records of lawsuits on the Mahoning County Clerk of Courts website, all but one in which he is the defendant. Many are judgements for money that remain open. He owes money to the city of Youngstown for demolition in the thousands according to the Clerk of Courts website.

He is also affiliated with Firepearl, which has 20 records listed, again as the defendant, and many are judgements for money that remain open.

Aside from numerous tax LIENS under his name. He also has many listed under this name Caraga Ltd.the following pages from the Ohio Secretary of State shows his name as the statutory agent.

Some back ground on Ron:

Aside from his shrimp farms scheme, which by the way he's looking for investors.

I realize Ron must be upset at me for exposing his facts. But they are, what they are, court records

YOUNGSTOWN — A magistrate rescheduled the sentencing date for a Youngstown man found guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor for cutting trees without the city's permission. Magistrate Anthony Sertick Jr. of Youngstown Municipal Court on Wednesday postponed the sentencing until next Wednesday for Ron Eiselstein, 46, of Fifth Avenue. Eiselstein pleaded no contest Nov. 27 to harvesting timber without a permit and was found guilty by Judge Robert A. Douglas Jr. Eiselstein cut trees on an East Side property in October with the owner's permission, but without a city permit to harvest timber.

Also Wednesday, Eiselstein was arraigned in Mahoning County Common Pleas Court on a fifth-degree felony theft charge. He is accused of cutting down trees without authorization in August from a Boardman property.


I realize Ron must be upset at me for exposing his facts. But they are, what they are, court records

Stay away from any project that he's involved in!!

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WOW! Now that's what I call an informative post. I'm guessing a tiny little short guy like yourself would be pretty popular in the joint because....well you know. Do you have any prison tattoos? Do you have to wear one of those ankle bracelets so they can keep track of you?

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27RustOnMyBelt(172 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Send the waste to TEXAS. Those big oil boys ought to have enough money to truck the stuff back to their home state to pollute IT ! Please don't tell me that the diesel fuel or the highway tolls would be too much for their wallets to handle.

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