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Congress forges another last-minute deal to avert default



Published: Thu, October 17, 2013 @ 12:01 a.m.

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A last-minute deal that took shape Wednesday to reopen the government and avoid a Treasury default did little to allay the long-term concerns of those in the Mahoning Valley’s business community.

As congressional leaders raced toward an agreement on the 16th day of a government shutdown, the theatrics were undoubtedly wearing thin on Valley business leaders as the deal once again called for a temporary solution — setting the stage for further gridlock early next year.

Congressional talks are barely touching the underlying causes of debt-and-spending stalemates that pushed the country close to economic crises in 2011, last December and again this month.

The latest deal extends current spending levels until Jan. 15 and stretches the federal debt ceiling until Feb. 7. The deal also calls for Congress to establish a conference committee of members of both houses to try to devise a spending plan by Dec. 13.

But one Valley legislator voted against the deal.

U.S. Rep. Bill Johnson of Marietta, R-6th, still has issues with the Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare.

“I cannot support this latest resolution because it does not treat the American people fairly,” he said in a statement. “It fails to offer those in Eastern and Southeastern Ohio any protection from the abuses, expenses and overreach of Obamacare. And what’s worse, this bill gives a special pass out of Obamacare for Washington politicians and big business, sticking hard-working Americans with the bill.”

Johnson said he’s also concerned about the country’s spending.

“I’m also deeply troubled that this legislation increases America’s debt limit, but does nothing to address the main driver of the debt – Washington’s out-of-control spending,” he said. “The American people have had to tighten their belts in this weak economy, and Washington should be forced to do the same. The fact that there are no spending cuts in this legislation means that Washington continues to demand more from the American taxpayers, but refuses to put itself on any kind of budget. And that is not fair.”

U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Niles, D-13th, supported the measure.

“While I would prefer that these issues be settled in a more comprehensive way, this is better than keeping the government closed, with 800,000 of federal workers off the job, and our country’s citizens not being able to access their government,” Ryan said in a statement. “This senseless shutdown has cost taxpayers $24 billion and I am pleased that with this deal the bleeding can finally stop. I hope that the damage this crisis caused has taught the Republican Tea Party that radical behavior like shutting down the government and bring our nation to the brink of default is no way to govern — and the American people will not stand for it. There are serious issues that must be addressed in a bipartisan fashion, and hopefully Speaker [John] Boehner and his Republican colleagues will now work with Democrats on legislation to end the sequester, reinvest in our infrastructure and put Americans back to work.”

U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Avon, said in a statement that the “bipartisan plan will end the shutdown and prevent the catastrophic consequences associated with the U.S. failing to pay its bills.”

U.S. Sen. Rob Portman, R-Terrace Park, called the deal a win for the American people, saying he was glad to see both parties working together to reach agreement to ensure the country doesn’t default on its debts.

“Lurching from crisis to crisis is no way to rejuvenate America’s economy, and unfortunately, we do not have a long-term fix that will prevent another shutdown in January,” Portman said in a statement. “In order to provide more certainty for our economy and government agencies and the families across the nation who rely on them, I will continue to fight for passage of my End Government Shutdowns Act, bipartisan legislation to ensure that Americans do not have the threat of a government shutdown hanging over their heads.

“Now that Congress has temporarily avoided this economic crisis, I am hopeful that President Obama will stick to his promise and come to the table. We’ve done our part, and now he must do his to negotiate on a path forward to deal with Washington’s underlying problem of overpromising and overspending that brought our nation to this boiling point in the first place,” he said. “My colleagues and I are here, ready and willing to negotiate on how to rein in Washington’s out-of-control spending on autopilot so that we not only prevent a future debt limit crisis in February, but also avoid putting a debt crisis on the backs of our children and grandchildren.”

The prospect of yet another short-term fix had business leaders and others here grimacing with frustration on Wednesday. Even though the shutdown and political stalemate has done little to unsettle the local economy, there was widespread agreement that business would be much better without the constant political wrangling of an intractable Congress.

“From our perspective, what we’re seeing from businesses that want to spend and raise capital is the uncertainty of the long-term economy,” said Michael Conway, executive director of the Mahoning Valley Economic Development Corp. “They are delaying certain projects until they get some certainty that there’s going to be more than just a short-term fix.”

Regardless of any deal, Conway added that such uncertainty will likely remain for at least more days.

MVEDC is a partnership of public and private interests focused on the revitalization of the Mahoning Valley. Conway said the shutdown has halted about six projects because funding through its U.S. Small Business Administration loan program was put on hold when the government closed its doors.

He said all types of businesses across a variety of industries have expressed a reluctance and uncertainty over the politicking in Washington.

“I can’t say any one industry has been impacted more adversely than another,” he said. “Equipment isn’t getting purchased, building and construction projects are on hold, which means jobs weren’t created. It’s a trickle-down effect for sure.”

Investors have stayed largely calm throughout the twists in the current fiscal drama in Washington. Even before Wednesday’s news, the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones Industrial Average were up for the month.

On Wednesday, financial markets flirted with major gains on word that lawmakers were nearing a deal. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index, for example, pushed close to a record high.

“Believe it or not, it hasn’t really come up in conversation or affected anything that I can see in terms of job demand,” said Vic Ing, president of the Alliance Solutions Group of the Mahoning Valley, which works with a wide array of employers to provide staffing services. “It’s absolutely frustrating and it’s embarrassing, though. I console myself by saying it’s just politics being played out in a very public arena.”

“We’re probably going to have to go through this a few more times,” said Bob Bixby of the bipartisan Concord Coalition, which advocates budget reforms. Even if a compromise plan this month wins House, Senate and White House approval, Bixby said, it will leave fundamental problems that “they haven’t done anything to address.”

Jeff Byce, an auctioneer, appraiser and real estate broker at Byce Auction & Realty in Youngstown, said prolonged stalemates can create unforeseen problems for business owners.

“I feel that another week or two of something like this would send ripples that even as a business owner I wouldn’t have planned on or imagined,” he said. “People trying to get SBA or FHA loans are already feeling the pinch and as an owner I think I’d realize very quickly how a long-term shutdown could affect aspects of our business that we couldn’t imagine.”

The feeling among stock traders in recent days was that panicking and pulling money out of stocks could leave them missing out on a rally after Washington finally came to an agreement. Investors are also becoming inured to Washington’s habit of reaching budget and debt deals at the last minute.

“Investors have become, unfortunately, accustomed to some of the dysfunction,” said Eric Wiegand, a senior portfolio manager at U.S. Bank. “It’s become more the norm than the exception.”

The Associated Press contributed to this story


Comments

1parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Hey Tea-Baggers!! Obama beat you like a rented mule!! He sunk you like a three foot putt!!! You don't get it, do you? The black guy is smarter than you. Obama can't lose. History will rank him near the top. The final straw for you "Baggers" will be when you all start signing up to save money with Obamacare!!! LOL!!

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2polhack(127 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Jimmy Kimmel pointed out that politicians trying to spin this sorry debacle as a victory would claim as much for picking up a gun without shooting themselves. He got it right. There were no winners in the needless expense and pain caused by opposing sides digging in their heels and throwing tantrums better suited to a kindergarten recess than the halls of political power. We can start stepping back from the cliff DC brought us to by recognizing that there are fools enough on both the liberal and conservative sides of every issue to return us to the brink in January.
That said, let's stop calling names, pointing fingers and doing nothing. Instead, let's turn to a couple basic positions that are complicated, but which don't need to be diametrically opposed. For instance: government spends too much of our money for foolish things; accessing quality healthcare without personal bankruptcy is not a foolish thing.
Okay? Now let's talk, but if you have nothing more than Nyah Nyah or name calling to say, take a moment to consider why you have so little success initiating change before commenting.

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3SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

@polhack,
Thanks, very well said. Here's to hoping that we can all start acting like adults.

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4walter_sobchak(1891 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

The following has occurred under Obama's "reign":
-Many trillions of dollars added to the federal debt
-IRS targeting conservative PAC's
-Electronic eavesdropping and wire-taps on Americans
-Middle-East foreign policy in a shambles
-The Benghazi Massacre with 4 dead Americans
-Fast and Furious gun-running operation
-Massive leaks of intelligence operations by low-level workers
-The least transparent presidency since Nixon in spite of that "hope and change" thing
-The failed roll-out of the ObamaCare program

The following has occurred on John Boehner's watch
-allowing a faction of conservatives to throw a temper-tantrum that makes the American people forget about all of the massive screw-up's of the Obama administration noted above so that the Republicans are now to blame for everything. This is what happens to a rudderless ship. Sooner or later it crashes and sinks. Congratulations Mr. Speaker!

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5redvert(2056 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

It is real simple folks, you can not continue to spend money that you do not have. Those of you out there over your heads in credit card debt should understand that. Apparently this clown "parlayhenry" does not.

"Signing up to save money with obowsercare" Who is gonna pay for that dingleberry? Wait till this whole deal kicks in, there will be some surprises. Hate to say it but America has seen it's best days.

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6JoeFromHubbard(1023 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

"Congress forges another last-minute deal to avert default"

More properly entitled:
"Kongress Kicks the Kan Down the Road Again."

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7JoeFromHubbard(1023 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

@parlayhenry:

Easy, young fellow, you're over exposing yourself.

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8Sparky(180 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Walt, good points. Actually $6 trillion in his first term vs $4.9 trillion in the 8 years under Bush. This from a President who told the country he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, bring our troops home and close Gitmo. Well???? How'd those promises work out?

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9Sparky(180 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

evio you are correct. There in lies the problem. Underachieving has now become the norm and this president wants the lazy and unproductive rewarded for it. We all hear about the unemployment problem, especially in this area, and that is very misleading. What we have is an unemployable problem. There are many local companies that can not find people that want to go to work. If they happen to show up for the interview it quickly becomes apparent they lack basic skills to hold a job, not to mention a large majority can't pass, or won't show up for their drug test. These are jobs that will pay $17-$20 per hour, with benefits after 90 days, not minimum wage jobs without benefits. But why would they want to work when they can have the tax payers continue to support them?

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10UNCOMMONSENSE(360 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Sparky and Walt...the economy is still better off after 4 years of President Obama then we were after 8 years of President Bush... get over it, you lost.

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11Sparky(180 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Your opinion and I don't have to agree but if you want to feel like you've won go ahead. Congratulations.

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1276Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

As long as welfare pays more than minimum wage there is no incentive to work.

Here’s an offer for you: $38,004 per year, tax free.No work required.Apply at your local welfare office.

http://nypost.com/2013/08/19/when-wel...

One of the most important steps toward avoiding or getting out of poverty is a job.Only 2.6 percent of full-time workers are poor, vs. 23.9 percent of adults who don’t work. And, while many anti-poverty activists decry low-wage jobs, even starting at a minimum-wage job can be a springboard out of poverty.

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1376Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Sneaky...McConnell threw in his sweet deal but wouldn't budge on what the American public wanted! Was this even the time or the place for such a deal?

Buried inside the new stopgap spending bill are several goodies, including nearly quadrupling the maximum price of a dam project on the Ohio River that is turning into a boondoggle — up to nearly $3 billion.

We were led to believe the business at hand was ending the partial government shutdown and requiring proof of income in order to get subsidies. What? That wasn't in the original ACA?

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14DwightK(1250 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Did Bill Johnson forget he is in the House of Representatives? Did he further forget that all spending bills originate in the House? If he wants less spending, he appears to be in the right place to accomplish his goal.

Why do people keep electing him?

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15DOLE2(594 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

First order of business,Obama must go.

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16dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Bill Johnson is an idiot. The bottom line is that EVERY politician knows exactly how to fix this country, but what it takes to fix this country will not get them votes, or re-elected. It also will not fill their pockets with easy money from the big corporations. Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Tea Baggers, are ALL CORRUPT. It is the system that is broken. The bad news is that the only ones who can fix the broken system is the corrupt politicians who don't want it fixed. A few answers to start.... FAIR TRADE POLICIES, THE CONTROL OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, GOOD JOBS, TERM LIMITS, NO LOBBYIST, STOP BEING THE WORLD POLICE, CONTROL SPENDING, AND RID NEEDED ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS OF LEACHES AND ABUSERS. PROGRAMS SHOULD BE A TEMPORARY THING.

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17parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

WASHINGTON—After Republican lawmakers reached a last-minute agreement Wednesday night to end the government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling, sources confirmed today that the GOP yielded its fight against Obamacare mere moments before the president was about to cave and repeal the entire law. “Whew! That was a close one,” President Obama told reporters, admitting that literally seconds before he would have put pen to paper on an executive order to fully defund and eliminate the Affordable Care Act, he received a phone call informing him that House Speaker John Boehner had agreed to back down from the shutdown stalemate. “The GOP really had our backs up against the wall on this one, and to be honest I was definitely about to blink first. I sure as hell didn’t want to be the president who oversaw the first default in our country’s history, and I thought the Republicans knew that. If they would have just held out a little longer—I’m talking two, three seconds—they would have gotten everything they wanted. They seriously held all the cards here.” The president said that if House Republicans threaten to use the same tactics with the debt ceiling this February, he’ll probably just repeal Obamacare immediately.

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18parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Hey, I see all the regular right-wing nutcases posting again about our "debt" and how terrible "Obamacare" is and how Obama is this or that and is running up our debt. Laughable. Every single "argument", if you can call it that, is so far removed from reality that it staggers the mind. You extremists live in some other dimension. As far as Obama and your rabid reaction to him, it is very well explained in a quote from Jonathan Swift:
“When a great genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

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19dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

@parlahenry.... I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT. DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A SECOND. What news source was that from? The Enquirer?

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20dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

and I like how Repubs cried that Obama wouldn't "negotiate" on a LAW that already passed Congress, Senate, and the Supreme court. Didn't Boehner last time refuse any talks that had any form of tax increase in it? I don't want tax increases, let me be clear on that, just making a comparison about negotiating.

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21kk80586(227 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

dontbe--I guessed it immediately! theonion is where parlay stole that...he is not intelligent enough to make up his own stuff so he steals stuff from others and gives no credit. Kind of like how he lives life...as a taker, not a producer.

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22dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

lol.... anyone who believed that article is a nut.

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23parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Hey kk80586...here's what you need to do; put down the video game controller, sign off of the internet porn site, bring your milk glass upstairs and rinse it in the sink, yell up to your mom and wish her goodnight and go to bed. Maybe you can get up early in the morning and try to get a job.
On a more serious note, using code words like "taker" reveals your racist leanings.
kk80586, you use more government services than anyone...you just don't admit to it...you righties think you're all self-made, real pioneers, never got a bit of help from anyone...the biggest lie ever...so sanctimonious...but keep hoping...maybe next month Obama will give in...hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

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24SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

@ dontbeafool and kk80856,
Yes that's where parlayhenry gets it, from The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/repu...

It's actually funny, if you realize where it originates....

Parlay, you really should give credit, so we can all enjoy the joke!

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25SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

What I think that we should all be enraged about is the pork spending that was attached to this deal, that "no one knew about".

Give me a break, someone knew about it. It didn't magically appear in the bill. I watched the debate and not one representative who was against this bill mentioned the pork spending.

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2676Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

You have to sign it to find out what's in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05T...

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27parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

WASHINGTON—After a 16-day-long government shutdown and a nearly averted financial crisis that left them with their lowest poll numbers in recent memory, Speaker of the House John Boehner told reporters Thursday that he hopes to remain the leader of the Republican Parties up until the 2014 midterm election and beyond. “It is my strong belief that the Republican Parties will remain the majority, especially in the House, for quite some time,” said Boehner, adding that it is an honor to serve as his parties’ standard-bearer. “In fact, I expect the GOPs to come back from this stronger and even more unified, and I hope to be at the forefront of that charge.” Boehner said his job would not be complete until a Republican from either Republican Party is once again in the White House.

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28bonblu(6 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Meanwhile, China is chomping on the bit.....

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29dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 2 weeks ago

parlay, this comment is for YOUR comments and opinions. If I wanted to read an article from the Onion, I would go to that site and read it. I really can care less what Boehner's beliefs are.

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30kk80586(227 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

parlay- can't tell you how many times that line is used on the internet and how long it's been around....not very original are ya?
"On a more serious note, using code words like "taker" reveals your racist leanings."
LOL@U on a serious note?!?!? that is racist to you?? It has NOTHING to do with race (which makes YOU the racist & stoo-pid).
I don't use any govt. services other than those required by law (dmv, etc.). I use highways but I pay taxes to build those. You think you can lie about me and make me believe it?? Maybe you want other people to believe it but you have PROVEN yourself to be a liar as well as a plagiarizer so anyone that would believe you don't count with me anyway....how ya like them apples?

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31JoeFromHubbard(1023 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

@ parlayhenry:

Easy, young fellow, you're over exposing yourself, again.

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32highpoint(34 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

First, the debt ceiling wasn't raised. It was eliminated! Read the bill, the President has the authority to spend whatever he wants, without limit until February. And it promises to be at least another trillion Federal Reserve Notes. But that is fine, because the Fed can just raise their buying to $100billion a month, and they have got it done in a year. Second, his whole ObamaCare mess could be eliminated by just opening Medicare to everyone. How many Seniors do you hear complaining about it? Then the insurance companies would stop being a healthcare problem. Third, if the Capitalists like Google and The NatGas Industries were allowed to do their thing within smart regulations, the National Debt would be gone in 5 years. But, wait, smart regulations? Sorry that's a DC Moron!

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33parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Hey kk80586!!! I know you're more than just a number..that you have feelings, too. But buddy, it is a scientific fact that anyone who uses the code word, "takers", is, in fact a racist. Look it up.

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34parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

The only person who loves Ted Cruz more than Ted Cruz is Barack Obama. It is the White House and Democrats, not Republicans, who have advanced the idea that Cruz is the face of the GOP. Remember when the White House insisted that Rush Limbaugh was the leader of the GOP? These narratives are useful to Democrats because they loonify the GOP, driving voters away from their fiery rhetoric just as intense heat repels any sensible mammal.

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3576Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Is the word "givers" racist?

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36parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

"takers" is

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37parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Hey wingnuts...I find the following dialogue from "Caddyshack" is appropriate to the RepubliKKKan right-wing shutdown disaster; just substitute Obama for Judge Smails and Ted KKKruz for his nephew;

Spalding Smails: I want a hamburger. No, cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips
[gets cut off by Judge Smails]
Judge Smails: You'll get nothing, and like it!

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38parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

"Uh, senator -- you can have my answer now if you like. My offer is this -- nothing."

Who said this?

A) Michael Corleone to Senator Geary in The Godfather Part 2.
B) Barack Obama to Senator Cruz in The President's 2nd Term of Office.
C) All the above.

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39kk80586(227 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

"it is a scientific fact that anyone who uses the code word, "takers", is, in fact a racist"
A scientific fact?? Science has proven this??? Actually, it is YOU who are the racist since YOU seem to want to associate the word 'taker' with some specific ethnic group. I associate the word with dumboKKKrats....the ones who bilk the system as well as those who vote to take my money to give to those who bilk the system. I don't use 'codewords'. I am not p.c. so I will use words according to their definition and meaning, not as something made up in your little mind.
To be clear, there are people out there who truly need help and I have no problem with aid for them. But when a third of the country is on some form of govt. assistance, something is very wrong.

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40kk80586(227 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

From urban dictionary:
1. Taker
Someone who always takes from other people and never gives back.
Jason always comes in my room to play FIFA, always loses, and never says thank you for letting him play. He is such a taker.

Jason always takes my chicken nuggets, that I took the time out to make. What a taker.

2. Taker
One who is always taking from others, similar to a mooch or chiseler. In most cases takers aren't stealing, they are just taking advantage of the hospitality of others without reciprocating or saying thanks.
James: Kirk's a taker, he just took the last beer and now he's leaving.
Kirk: James is a chiseler, he's always trying to get something for nothing.

3. Taker
noun - someone who likes it in the backdoor usually very often
Henry is a taker, he loves getting it in the butt

Now, YOU go look it up in a bonafide dictionary and post me back what it says.

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41southsidedave(4780 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

next time don't pay the House or the Senate and watch what happens...ha ha ha

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4276Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

debt now over $17,039,000,000,000

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

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43dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

kk, did you look it up on The Onion though? That is where parlay had to get the info. On another note, don't lump all Dems as moochers or takers. I'm a Dem and haven't had a break in employment since age 16 (30 years), and never received an ounce of any kind of aid. Mooching is an individual choice. I agree, that Dems need to come to terms with the abuse going on of assistance programs. At some point u become enablers rather than helpers. Help those in need get back on their feet, not make it a lifestyle. I still feel the Repub officials today are totally out of touch with the average Joe. I would like to see a few of them live on welfare for a month with no other assistance, give them a little taste of life without a Country Club in it.

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44kk80586(227 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

dontbe-yes, I guessed it was there because it was so outrageous and low and behold when I punched a sentence from it into google, there it was. I recognize there are good dems and there are bad repubs (as far as regular folks go). But the ruling elite of both parties have totally lost sight of what this Country was founded on. They have driven the people into unsustainable debt and have taken or are taking most of our freedoms. It is all about power and money to them. It is is not about patriotism and honor. They are ALL out of touch with the average Joe. Some might try to call me a repub because of my arguments against dem policies but I lean more libertarian which probably aligns more with the "tea-party" as far as smaller govt, lower taxes and self-responsibility go. That is the problem I have with the dem party which is leading us down a very dark path as far as the Country is concerned.
As far as your last sentence, think of this... the millionaires are republican, the billionaires are democrats. Heard that a while backand realized that is (for the most part) true.
I know a woman who runs a non-profit and told her I was surprised she was repub. She said she used to be dem, dems (some) have a lot of money. But they did not donate whereas the repubs do.So remember that just because repubs do not want taxes raised (on anyone) does not mean that they are not charitable.And it's always better for those in need when the govt is not between the giver and the recipient to scrape off all the gravy (and most of the potatoes). Remember, those ruling elite dems belong to the same country clubs as the repubs. It's not really about helping the truly poor anymore. It's about buying votes with easy qualification for benefits they don't deserve. You seem very reasonable....fair minded, intelligent conversation, no name calling.... you sure you're a dem? :)

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4576Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

dontbeafool: Wouldn't you rather have a hand up rather than a hand out? In the past, immigrants flocked to our country for opportunity, now for the assistance. As we lower the standards and encourage people to get food stamps, subsidies for health care and all sorts of government programs, we're seeing employers cutting hours, benefits and jobs. Republicans want employers to create jobs to move people up and out of poverty and the Democratic party is becoming the enablers. The opportunity to become wealthy lies more within your will to do something with your life than what the government can do for you. There will always be people in our country who need our help. There's nothing wrong with helping those in need. The issue is whether we are at a point where people are better off on welfare than work.

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4676Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Yep, and if your the politician that says our country is broke and we need to find a way to stop spending then you're the the idiot bad guy.

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47SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Just a modest suggestion:
Since parlayhenry acts like a troll and writes like a troll, howabout we all just decide that he is a troll and ignore his trollish ways.

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48parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

SeriouslyNow!! That isn't nice. It isn't being a troll pointing out the truth in both a pointed and humorous manner. The term "taker" is racist code. Of course none of the right-wingnuts ever "took" anything they didn't earn. LOL! You extremists think that the "takers" are bankrupting the country; and by "takers" you mean the folks on welfare. If the U.S. got rid of EVERY entitlement program except Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (where the biggest outlays pay for all of your parents in nursing homes) the debt would still be increasing. But in your racist minds, you see some black welfare queen driving a Cadillac full of kids as the reason for our debt. It ain't so Archie Bunkers of the world. The debt is caused by you righteous patriots and your parents getting exponentially more out of Medicare and Social Security than any of you put into it. But none of you are "takers"; no!
No, I'm not a troll. Just someone who assails the group-think from right-wing extremists as the nonsense that it is. Want to decrease the debt? Go pick up mom and dad from the nursing home and YOU take care of them with YOUR money! Give me a welfare queen any day over over the mentally blind on this page.

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49SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
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50newsmaker1(127 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

The spending Democrats wanted Boehner to eliminate the 'sequester' which provides automatic cuts in government spending. Boehner did not cave, the seqester is still in force.. It was Obama and Reid against Boehner.. I'd say Ohio's John Boehner did very well and did not personally demonize the other side. John Boehner was the only adult in the room

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51SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

@newsmaker,
Check your references, the "clean CR" offered to Boehner BEFORE October 1 INCLUDED the sequester level spending that the dems don't like.

Boehner refused to allow the House to vote on that because of the mythical Hastert rule. To my mind, he was preventing democracy from functioning. Would an up or down vote (before the shut down) been harmful to the country in anyway?

Hardly what I would term being an adult.

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52dontbeafool(882 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

boehner.....adult? doesn't even sound right. Spin master maybe. Crybaby, definitely. He is more worried about losing his Speaker of the House title than anything else, to include his own party or country. He didn't have the balls to lead his party out of a disastrous plan orchestrated by Cruz, just because he didn't want to lose his title. Even when he knew that the plan would fail and would hurt the country. typical career politician.

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53parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

In the recent debates in the Senate and House of Representatives about food stamps — received by one out of six Americans, about two-thirds of them children, disabled or elderly — Republicans made their case for slashing food subsidies largely about fairness. As Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, said in his speech, “This is more than just a financial issue. It is a moral issue as well.”
In the United States there are legal prohibitions on what people can sell, a safety net to help those who suffer from really bad luck, and a civic ethos that prevents us from letting people drown. The first answer is, of course, that the material reality is being rapidly shaped by the ideology, as recent debates about welfare in the United States demonstrate.
People might be legally prohibited from selling their organs, but that doesn't remedy the desperate circumstances that might compel them to do so. The law does not stop people from falling into poverty traps of borrowing and debt, from being exploited by debt settlement companies promising to help them escape those traps, or losing their homes after buying mortgages they can’t afford to pay back. And there is certainly no prohibition against the mind-numbing and often humiliating menial work that poor people do in exchange for paltry wages from hugely rich companies. A swiftly eroding welfare state might offer the thinnest of safety nets to those who fall on hard times, but it does nothing to address the lack of social mobility caused by the dramatic rise in inequality. And while it might be thought poor form to walk by a drowning man, letting children go hungry is considered not only permissible, but as Senator Sessions said, “a moral issue.” These facts might be not quite as ethically outraging as walking past a drowning man, but they, too, grate against our commonsense notions of fairness.

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54JoeFromHubbard(1023 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

@ parlayhenry:

What is the definition of "inequality?"

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55SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Parlayhenry's comment is plagiarized from New York Times blogger Amia Srinvasan.

@parlay, you should give credit where the work is not yours.

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5676Ytown(1232 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

eivo, Medicare Part D was implemented so people are not in the position of choosing food or medications. Some pharmacies will waive the co-pays or charge only $4 for certain generic drugs even for non-medicare plans.

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57parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

Hey right-wing loons!! Guess what?? Your Republican Governor just approved an expansion of Medicaid. Even Kasich love Obamacare...and you nuts will, too!!!

To eivo:...you want more for senior citizens??? They're the ones who are running the debt to the upper limits with all of the free Medicare and Medicaid services they use...I think we should give them back every dollar, plus interest that they contributed to SS and Medicare and let them fend for themselves. After all, they're the so-called, "Greatest Generation" and, as they are awlays saying about the debt, they sure don't want to bankrupt the country for their grandkids. Seniors are worse than any welfare queen; but they don't see it. Just like the rest of you mentally blind on the right.

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58parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 10 months, 1 week ago

eivo...I think all rational citizens hope that you do get everything that you have coming to you...

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