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Boy Scouts approve plan to accept openly gay boys

Published: Thu, May 23, 2013 @ 10:26 p.m.

GRAPEVINE, Texas (AP) — The Boy Scouts of America threw open its ranks today to gay Scouts but not gay Scout leaders — a fiercely contested compromise that some warned could fracture the organization and lead to mass defections of members and donors.

Of the roughly 1,400 voting members of the BSA's National Council who cast ballots, 61 percent supported the proposal drafted by the governing Executive Committee. The policy change takes effect Jan. 1.

"This has been a challenging chapter in our history," the BSA chief executive, Wayne Brock, said after the vote. "While people have differing opinions on this policy, kids are better off when they're in Scouting."

However, the outcome will not end the bitter debate over the Scouts' membership policy.

Liberal Scout leaders — while supporting the proposal to accept gay youth — have made clear they want the ban on gay adults lifted as well.

In contrast, conservatives with the Scouts — including some churches that sponsor Scout units — wanted to continue excluding gay youths, in some cases threatening to defect if the ban were lifted.

"We are deeply saddened," said Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's executive committee after learning of the result. "Homosexual behavior is incompatible with the principles enshrined in the Scout oath and Scout law."


1DwightK(1537 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Does anyone think there weren't gay scouts already? Or gay NFL players, NBA players, police, firefighters, teachers, clergy, soldiers, grocery baggers or doctors? This whole exercise is about establishment finally accepting this fact.

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2walter_sobchak(2726 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, but this makes no sense. The BSA is supposed to stand for those things that are positive and morally correct. Homosexuality is not positive nor morally correct. If a youth purports to be homosexual, the only way that this can be established is to have homosexual relations. These young men should not be having any sexual relations, hetero- or homo-, and that is what we should be teaching and professing. That is what the Boy Scouts of America is supposed to stand for in this country. But, instead we have society that insists on cramming homosexuality down our throats as something that is normal and must be accepted. This indoctrination has been slow but progressive. Now, the homosexual community will destroy a great organization. Openly homosexual leaders will not be far behind.

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3RTS1416(117 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

So when is the meeting to compose a new Scout Oath. This one no longer applies.

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

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4LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Personally I think it is long overdue for them to be all inclusive. Also before people get all religious perhaps you should read from Leviticus or Deuteronomy, or Perhaps the story about Lott's daughters preserving their father's seed.

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5CassAnn(252 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

walter_sobchak, you have a lot to learn about homosexuality. A child does not have to be sexually active to know they are different from their peers. In fact if you ask a gay adult, they can often describe knowing from a very early age that they were different. A homosexual scout leader doesn't scare me. A Pedophile scout leader is what scares me! Homosexuals are less likely than STRAIGHT men to be pedophiles. Homosexuals seek relationships with other adults of the same gender. Pedophiles seek relationships with CHILDREN.

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6RTS1416(117 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'

Baldwin says his research not only “confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals,” but it found that “the mainstream homosexual culture” even “commonly promotes sex with children.”


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7walter_sobchak(2726 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

That's OK, I really don't want to learn anything more about homosexuality than I already know. It is immoral, abnormal and adds nothing to make society better. If one claim to be homosexual but does not act on it, then they are not homosexual. This whole line is that espoused by liberals that we are to be "accepting" of homosexuals. No, we must tolerate them. Most of what you spout is psycho-babble...unless you can prove to me that the "gay" gene exists. If it did, it would be obviously regressive. Now, maybe homosexuality is a genetic abnormality such as color blindness, hemophilia or Downs syndrome. But, there is no scientific proof.

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8LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Actually all the literature I ever read during my bachelors degree in Psychology showed that Homosexuals actually engage in child abuse at a lower rate than Heterosexuals.

I am sure however that you will in no way actually read reputable scientific studies and instead just continue to fill your head with junk science.

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9RTS1416(117 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, not impressed. They are sexual deviants thereby more inclined to other forms of deviancy.
Just like an alcoholic is more inclined to other types of addictive behavior, or do you not remember that from your in depth study of human behavior. How about using the language correctly, try "while studying for my bachelors degree", and there is also no need for psychology, homosexuals or heterosexuals to be capitalized. If you want to impress people with your education perhaps you should pretend you have one.

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10LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

You'll find that Alcoholism is a medically accepted disorder. Homosexuality is not.

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11RTS1416(117 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

So that makes homosexuality a choice right?
Thank you.

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12LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Not sure it is a choice, regardless they deserve the same liberties and freedoms as everyone.

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13Guins(15 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The hate you people spew and attribute in God's name always amazes me. Apparently you have never known a gay person otherwise you would know the internal struggle that occurs. I have known either in my personal life or professional life too many people that try so hard to be something their not. I don't know about your God but mine teaches me love and compassion. It is His job to judge not mine. I commend the Boy Scouts for taking this step in compassion for these young boys who are probably scared, confused and full of self hate.

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14RTS1416(117 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Who spewed hate in Gods name?

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15walter_sobchak(2726 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Here is the problem with this decision. The BSA leadership has bowed to the pressure that they will lose MONEY from businesses and organizations by upholding the policy of excluding homosexuals. However, they will lose far more in that adults and organizations that believe in the scouting program will be leaving since the BSA does not wish to stand by their beliefs and shun immoral behavior.

But here is the most ridiculous problem with this ruling. We help a young boy through scouts, teaching him to obey the scout laws, live up to its motto, and duty to God, self, and country. The boy proclaims to be different and says he is a homosexual. He achieves the rank of Eagle and when he turns 18, the organization tells him to please leave as he is not fit to be a leader...although we presented him with the award for ultimate leadership. Makes absolutely no sense and I am currently evaluating whether I should continue to be a part of this organization.

Let the homosexuals start their own program for homosexual scouts, obtain sponsors and chartering organizations. If they are as prevalent as they proclaim to be, they should have no problem. They won't have my support.

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1676Ytown(1370 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Next we should allow lesbian girls to join boy scouts and gay boys to join the girl scouts. Why not? It's all about playing fair.

It takes only one person to change history.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair, an aetheist the Supreme Court ruling ending official Bible-reading in American public schools in 1963.

Norma McCorvey "Roe v Wade" who was at the heart of the ruling on January 22, 1973. which legalized the right to an abortion in all 50 states. Interesting to note that she later changed her mind and she is now a vocal anti-abortion activist. http://facelife.org/content/roechange...

U.S. adults, on average, THINK homosexuals make up about 25 percent of the entire population.

ACTUALLY: Bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while only 1.7% are gay or lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population. for a total of between 2 percent and 4 percent of the population.

So the media wants you to keep cheering about sames sex marriage bill is all about "love"...look closely at the real reason this was brought to the Supreme Court.

Edie Winsdor married her partner of more than 40 years in Canada in 2007. Their relationship was recognized by the state of New York, where they lived together. When her spouse died two years later, she inherited a huge estate tax bill which she would have avoided if her marriage had been recognized under federal law. The Supreme Court will weigh the tax ramifications of the law and decide.

Gays and lesbians can't file joint federal tax returns, If gays or lesbians divorce, any alimony is considered a gift subject to taxation, while for opposite-sex couples, it's tax-free. And when a spouse dies, the widow or widower is liable for inheritance taxes; heterosexual couples enjoy a marital deduction.

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1776Ytown(1370 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks.

In the years since that decision, survival rates for extremely early preterm babies have improved dramatically. The most dramatic improvement has been noted among infants born in week 24 and week 25. In 1995 24% of the infants born in week 24 survived, while the rate in 2005 was 41%. In 2013, the share had risen to 70%.. Survival rates at weeks 21 - 24 are also improving.

So the wisdom of the Supreme Court which defines viable birth at that time does not hold true today.

Also, why is it that we determine death after then end of a heartbeat, but we are afraid to call life at the beginning of a heartbeat?

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18Boardman120(82 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Walter Sobchak, you are my hero!

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19DSquared(1788 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Kinda changes your image of a tent full of scouts rubbin' their sticks together to start a fire! Oh well, another once great American institution flushed down the toilet by liberals! Gee, I wonder what they'll destroy next?

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20Cicero(39 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The youngest program in Boy Scouts is Cub Scouts ( grade school age). When's the last time you heard of a 6 to 11 year old boy knowing if he was gay or not?

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