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Published: Wed, March 13, 2013 @ 12:00 a.m.

Company’s 61 hires, plans for more highlighted at forum in Boardman

By Jamison Cocklin

jcocklin@vindy.com

BOARDMAN

Exterran Energy Solutions, which first announced a 65,000-square-foot manufacturing facility on Salt Springs Road in Youngstown in 2012, already has hired 61 local employees, with plans to bring on about 20 more within the next month or so.

The Houston-based company, which provides services and equipment for oil and gas production, processing, treating, transportation and storage, chose Youngstown for its $13.2 million project because of an experienced manufacturing workforce and its geographic location, said Michael Grimland, the company’s director of manufacturing.

Exterran’s arrival in Youngstown, where it’s expected to generate more than $15 million in annual revenue, is a sign that the Utica and Marcellus shale plays are bound to stay competitive as domestic-energy production continues to ramp up across the country.

Industry officials and members of the state’s congressional delegation were eager to highlight why the oil and gas industry has been — and will continue to be — a boon for Ohio’s economy for decades to come at an economic-impact forum Monday at Mr. Anthony’s Banquet Center. The event was sponsored by the Youngstown/Warren Regional Chamber and other organizations.

“Imagine if the U.S. were to become the OPEC of natural-gas exports and if Ohio were to lead the way in allowing the U.S. to become the dominate player in this energy sector,” said U.S. Rep. Bill Johnson of Marietta, R-6th, referring to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, an intergovernmental partnership of some of the world’s leading oil producers and exporters, most of which are in the Middle East.

“I don’t think I need to tell you what that would mean. It could happen; I believe it will happen,” Johnson said, addressing a crowd of about 200. “When it does, it will change the paradigm of geopolitical power across the globe.”

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s 2013 energy outlook report, U.S. natural-gas production will increase from 23 trillion cubic feet in 2011 to 33 trillion cubic feet in 2040. In 2011 alone, 95 percent of the country’s natural-gas supply was produced domestically, helping to drive domestic prices to record lows.

Johnson, along with U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Niles, D-13th, spearheaded an effort in January that found a letter signed by about 410 legislators going to U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu, calling on him to approve permits to non-Free Trade Agreement countries to open up additional markets for liquefied natural gas.

“We all know it makes no sense to drill for a resource if there’s no market for it,” Johnson said. “That’s why it’s important to open up markets, foreign markets and world markets for the product we’re drilling for in the U.S.”

Johnson added that he would use his recent appointment to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce to help fend off overarching regulatory efforts on hydraulic fracking from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Many pundits are anticipating tougher regulations when a long-delayed federal report about fracking’s affect on groundwater is released.

In the meantime, Ohio has permitted 548 wells to date, with 255 of those fully developed and 74 producing. Forum panelists were quick to tout the drop in unemployment and the rise in sales-tax collections in places such as Carroll, Columbiana and Harrison counties, where drilling operations are the most intense.


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1glbtactivist(235 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Check with local hotels, those thousands of jobs are part time jobs with employees brought here from out west. Many are illegals working on the cheap. Almost nobody from Youngstown has been hired. We are having our environment destroyed by foreign energy giants and we aren't even getting the jobs.

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2UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Shut up already with your lies. Illegals, prove it fool! Prove V&M Star has no locals, bum! Prove Dearing compressor his packed with out of state workers, loser!
I'm glad we just have a few of these hipsters left, go get a job for heaven's sake!

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3timOthy(802 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

HOG WASH !!!! I live where the action is in western Columbiana Cty./Eastern Carroll Cty. The new plant in Hanoverton OH. ALL OUT OF TOWNERS WITH OUT OF STATE PLATES. TRANSMISSION LINES ALL 4X4 TRUCKS WITH THERE WEILDERS ON THE BACK OUT OF STATE PLATES AGAIN !
HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE BEEN WROTE AND WHY NOT ???
YOUR REPUBLICAN LOSERS IN COLUMBUS COULD CARE LESS .

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4UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Good, cause the locals are left with the remains of the brain drain, can't pass a drug test, probably true with the hipsters here and are lazy and uneducated, sorry fools these are facts.

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5Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Take a look at the pipeline running through eastern Mahoning County. ALL out of state plates from out of state companies.

The governor even commented about the problems of all out of state workers in this industry:

"So you could have the situation where we are not getting the jobs, they are taking the resources and all of their profits and they are heading home. That is not acceptable to me."

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6Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

The Laborers' International Union of North America rallied in Carroll County today to protest the hiring of out-of-state workers for local construction work related to shale development.

Union representatives stated their feeling that qualified local workers are being passed over for jobs in favor of less qualified workers and companies from other areas, estimating that 75-80% of the construction work related to shale development is going to out-of-state companies and workers or to area companies with substandard employee compensation and benefit plans.

http://the-daily-digger.blogspot.com/...

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7Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the low point in the last decade for employment in the oil and gas extraction sector occurred in 2003 with approximately 118,000 direct industry jobs. Between 2003 and 2011, job growth in the sector amounted to about 56% to reach 186,000 jobs by 2011, a net gain of 67,900 jobs.

But to put this into perspective, this job creation amounted to 1/20th of 1% of overall employment figures in the US.

Given that there are currently 12.8 million unemployed, a growth of 67,900 jobs during a period of “game changing”, “revolutionary” activity in the natural gas markets demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that jobs creation has been overhyped and hardly a “game changer” for the overall labor market.

http://energypolicyforum.org/2012/03/...

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8cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

The State of Ohio should have created it's own energy company hired drillers, eliminate the toxic additives, provide the Ohio taxpayer with free gas, use local labor and sell off the remaining gas for revenue to run the state.

Instead you get pollution, out of state workers, scumbag gas industry spokesmen, low property values and gas companies making the lions share of the profits selling Ohio's gas to the highest bidder.

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9ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

UticaShale...stop prostituting yourself for the oil and gas industry, I can assure you they can care less about you.
Looking over your comments you appear increasingly agitated by the truth. This says a lot. By the way, you're just the demographic the oil and gas industry salivates over.No wonder they pay people to research what areas to target. Congratulations on making it so easy for them.

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10UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

ABC hipster, show us all how you reduce your carbon footprint, don't just blab about it produce!

"It is because you suck that we frack!"

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11ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

UticaShale...again... go make those boys from Texas and Louisiana they've got over here a sandwich. They're going to need their strength. It takes a lot of energy sneaking around poisoning the earth with radioactive chemicals, all while trying not to blow the cover on the "job myth" with their Texas license plates.

Since you're asking about carbon footprints...maybe you should check out the website i posted above, or type in "list of the harmed". The hundreds upon hundreds of documented cases of people and families who've become sick, farm animals have died, pets have died, pipeline explosion deaths, etc...they might find your comment about carbon footprints amusing. Make sure you ask the family on there who had to be rushed to the ER because of chemical bronchitis. They were forced to relocate. Too bad though, because their property value is nothing now due to fracking.

Keep the oil and gas industry smiling....they love low mentalities that will fuel their propaganda for free. Infact, they were counting on it.

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12UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

ABC, show us facts, not made up BS. And answer the question reveal to us how you eliminate combustion fuel, how you heat your home, go on show us or you are nothing but a hypocrite.

Fool, thank us for keeping your lazy butt warm, while we work.

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13ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Uticashale...so people who don't want to be poisoned through an extremely toxic, extremely flawed, under researched and life threatening method are hypocrites for heating their home? Ever see the Facebook page doctors made for doctors against fracking? Hmm...i wonder why they'd do that??

Guess what...if you do work for one of these companies, they're paying you peanuts and exposing you to highly radioactive chemicals. Good job putting your health at risk for some company that could care less about you.

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14UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

ABC, you are a crack head and you blame the drug dealer for your pathetic life.

You get it now?

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15ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Uticashale...you don't even make sense. The argument isn't that we all use energy. The argument is this extreme form of energy extraction that is directly harming human and animal health. Not to mention causing earthquakes.

Again...if i were you i'd type in "list of the harmed" and view the hundreds upon hundreds of documented cases of human sickness, farm animals dying by the dozen on farms, pets dying, pipeline explosions resulting in death, class action suits etc. Keep in mind that Nationwide insurance has already put out a statement that they will not cover any damage due to fracking. Then add in the fact that they have people from Texas and other states over here with Texas plates doing the work.....SOME even illegals that don't speak english and the job myth is obvious.

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16UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

This guy is so stupid he can't even figure out the analogy. Obviously a remnant of the brain drain from Youngstown.

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17Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

@Uticashale,
Please enlighten us all on your "analogy" oh wise fracker.

All "crack heads" are against fracking? Or wait, just their drug dealers are against fracking?

Your argumentum ad hominem analogy riddles are too hard for us brain drainers to understand!

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18RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

ABC 100, I am still on the fence on this entire topic, however, after reviewing the "list of those harmed" that you posted in a previous article all I can find are complaints in local papers. The vast majority of which have been discounted by PDNR, health professionals and local government agencies. There are very, very few articles where it was actually found that the water or air had been affected to a degree that PDNR or heath officials found to be unsafe and in those instances the companies involved seem to have taken immediate action to correct any problems.

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19RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

I will restate that I am unsure what to think about the entire gas boom but the "list of those harmed" showed me only disgruntled land owners with very little damage actually done, and yes, I did spend hours reading the articles, not just one or two.

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20UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

RTS, you are wasting your time with these extremist here. Truth be told, if they would identify themselves (I am for the Vindy mandating identity) you will find very insignificant contributors to society here. Most you will see that they are the "takers" of society who have all the time and free stuff to fight for more.

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21ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

RTS...did you go to http://pennsylvaniaallianceforcleanwa...

Cause it clearly states the chemicals that were found in these people's blood and urine. There's 897 cases but even within the first few on the page it states this.

Here are a few just within the first ten on the page....
- This family had arsenic, lead, barium and Bis(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate in their water. Radon levels were 1,233 pCi/l with the maximum contaminent level set at at 100.

-Another family had benzene, toluene and arsenic in their BLOOD and URINE. Exposure (air and water)-had arsenic at 2,600 times acceptable levels, benzene and naphthalene. Soil had mercury, selenium, ethylbenzene and trichloroethene.

-Another family's blood tests show exposure to benzene and phenol, air exposed to methane. Their waste pit overflowed into their pond resulting in the death of 10 cows.

-Another family exposed to magnesium, manganese, boron, strontium and sulfates in their water.
Their air had benzene, methane, chloroform, butane, propane, toluene and zylene.

I could go on and on listing these. Each one contains the person or family's name, city and state, chemicals, ailments, whether farm animals or pets died and what company was involved. Also whether they had to relocate, start buying other water, if it was settled out of court etc.
When you mention "disgruntled land owners", I'd be pretty disgruntled if this poison was found in my blood or urine.

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22ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

UticaShale....yes, people who don't want to be POISONED are "extremists". Stop trying to discredit people with your name calling.

By the way, read my post above.....i'm sure you'll come back with some name calling instead of facts, because you can't debate something without truth on your side. But just thought i'd draw your attention to it.

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23ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

RTS....after reading my comment above, also keep in mind that the ODNR and most likely the PDNR are crooked. ODNR knew about all the violations Ben Lupo had before he got caught and they did NOTHING. Now what does that tell you? It's not rocket science.

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24UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

There it is! the conspiracy whacko reveals himself. What a fool to believe he is more qualified than the ODNR, the EPA, the entire State. Yes incognito nameless one ABC is the authority against the whole global energy industry. What a whack job. Call the police, call the CIA, the FBI, surely you are qualified to speak intelligently about oil and gas. What a fool, ABC here is news for you bro, YOU ARE A NOBODY, you hear me a NOBODY, if you have some sound information back it up with the name your Mommy gave you. Why are you ashamed of yourself? If you are the authority you claim to be, MAN UP.

The Vindy really needs to clean up this mess of a board and require everyone to reveal themselves so we can see the insignificant whacko's these losers are.

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25ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Utica, what is your weird obsession with people's names? Who uses their regular name as their screen name to respond to articles on the computer?

The ODNR did nothing about Ben Lupo's many upon many violations....he had atleast 120 before being caught dumping. That's called "willfull ignorance" on their behalf.

I want to hear some facts from you...go take your meds and reply with facts next time instead of name calling. Everytime someone presents facts you slither away conveniently, only to return with name calling and exclamation points.

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26UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Facts? You fool the whole world is consuming the energy being harvested right here loser. Fact, billions of dollars have been doubled down in eastern ohio. Idiot! the facts are you are paying less for NG to heat your dumb lazy butt. The facts make you exist to fight it. Your facts are google it, what a turd you are, everyone knows you can make up anything on the internet except the extreme outcasts like you.
Show me the money! remember that line bozo, the money , billions are the facts. the industry is inocent until proven guilty, it is insignificant morons like you who must prove it and you can't that is why everyone ignores you and I am about to do the same right here.
Lastly, hey Vindy, Sweetwood make us all use our real names, I'm begging , so I can expose this loser and the rest of this little bent what pathetic lives these losers live.

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27cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

uselessshill....I can understand why you would not want people using Google for fracking information because:

When I Google searched "fracking pollution in texas" I got 668,000 results.

https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&s...

When I Google searched "fracking pollution in oklahoma" I got 253,000 results.

https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&s...

When I Google search "fracking pollution in colorado I get 475,000 results.

https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&s...

When I Google search "fracking pollution in wyoming" I get 222,000 results.

https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&s...

When I read your post all I get is the same delusional BS every time. Like I said, I can understand why you would not want people using Google for information about fracking when we should just trust you.

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28ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year, 1 month ago

Utica....I'd like to direct your attention to cambridge's post to you above..........THOSE are called facts. Read em' and weap.

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29RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year ago

Cambridge..When I Google "landfill pollution in California" I get 1,870,000 results. Now, I'm not saying that the landfills that you seem to be so proud of are a problem, the point is just because you produce a large amount of results has no bearing on the substance of those results.
ABC100..If you actually READ some of those "facts" you will find that most of them do not support your point of view.

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30cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year ago

rts....I never said that 1.5 million results support my view. What I am saying is that there are 1.5 million results on fracking pollution in four states and people are free to read them and draw their own conclusions or they can believe uselessshill and his ilk.

That would be a major difference between me and the shills. I'm willing to post as much information that is available and all the shills are willing to do is claim there has NEVER been any contamination connected to fracking.

I know you're just an average citizen with no skin in the game trying to understand the process, right? I'm just trying to help people like yourself out.

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31ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

RTS....the cases where chemicals were found in people's blood and urine say it all. Not every case on there shows this...but many do.

Your "unbiased" act, i see right through. Let's pretend this poisoning of people and animals isn't happening (which it obviously is, ten cows don't drop dead on a farm for no reason), surely the fact that doctors have to sign gag orders before treating a patient exposed to these chemicals should alarm you. Before finding out what chemicals the patient was exposed to they are literally forced to sign a gag order promising not to divulge the chemicals. It's on the AMA website...many doctors are trying to get the gag order lifted.

Are you aware of the "haliburton loophole"? This loophole was developed to make the industry exempt from reporting what chemicals they inject into the ground from the safe water act. That's interesting...why did they need this loophole?

The earthquakes are a no brainer. Even for people who are pretending to be an "unbiased" citizen .

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3276Ytown(1150 comments)posted 1 year ago

20 years from now the wells will have been fracked, mystery chemicals left behind in the wells, property values diminished, jobs gone, our finite water supply unusable for human consumption, air, water and land polluted, illness and birth defects, we'll look back at saying we traded all this for for greed. A legacy the next generation have to deal with.

I'm not convinced that there are no alternatives to this barbaric method of extracting natural gas. The auto industry has the technology to increase gas mileage and homes can be built with better energy efficiency. People need to have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of fracking before irreparable damage has been done. This is only a short term solution to the problem leaving us with permanent damage to our environment and human life.

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33UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year ago

The Vindy must mandate all here to identify themselves so the energy companies can evict Cambridge, 76Y, ABC, all who take and produce nothing. All who suck up energy and fight the harvesting of it should be shut off from the grid. A NG company in NY did it to a small village and the antifrackers are begging for heat. Show these hipsters the door. This is the new approach the energy companies must make widespread. Those who oppose energy development should be prevented from sucking on it.

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34RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year ago

I find it hard to believe you can "see right through"
anything considering the oversize set of blinders you seem to be wearing.

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35cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year ago

PLEASE mr. uselessshill, don't shut off my gas, I promise I'll be good. Don't be cranky, just pretend you smacked us around, that always seems to make you feel better, or just hug your blankie. I know you will be making new rules for posting on the Vindy and I promise I will follow all of your new rules and try and never make you mad again. And thank you so much for all that gas you keep spewing.

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36ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

So RTS...what are your thoughts on the gag orders doctors are being forced to sign and the Haliburton loophole I mentioned to you?

Uticashale, i'd ask you the same but you'd just respond with the same nonsense.

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37UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year ago

See how they try to LOL, but notice how they run and hide if they are threatened to be exposed. Truth be told, they are the "taker" class, the unproductive , the consumer in our society. They most likely are idle and do not work a production job, they are bureaucrats, politicians, many nonprofit grant recipients. Thay are tasked to spread propaganda by interest to prevent American ingenuity in high tech drilling. As energy workers pour into the Utica by the thousands, these fractivist must be displaced and disconnected from the energy grid they waste and suck on daily.

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38ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

Utica...you sound insane. Every time you write something I feel it helps prove our point all the more, so thank you.

You could of given your opinion on the Haliburton Loophole i mentioned above or the fact that doctors are forced to sign gag orders before treating a patient exposed to these toxic chemicals...but no, you go on another bizarre rant.

I'm glad though because your avoidance of the two topics will be obvious to any level headed people who may be reading this and learning the scary truth of fracking.

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39Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year ago

UticaShale,
In addition to addressing the above mentioned Haliburton Loophole, please provide the source for your comment "energy workers pour into the Utica by the thousands."

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, job growth from this sector over the past 8 years amounted to 1/20th of 1% of overall employment figures in the US.

Your comment appears to be consistent with industry hype.

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40RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year ago

ABC, Questions from the Pennsylvania Medical Society about the scope of the confidentiality agreements led to the Pennsylvania Dept. of Health clarifying the law’s intent in an April letter. State Secretary of Health Eli N. Avila, MD, assured doctors that proprietary information can be utilized in whatever manner is necessary to respond to the “medical needs asserted,” including sharing the information with patients, other physicians involved in the patients’ care and public health agencies. The society said it was satisfied with the response but will continue to monitor the issue.
That hardly sounds like a gag order to me?
If the Pennsylvania Medical Society (the doctors themselves) do not have a problem then what are you getting all frothed up about? Once again you spout off propaganda without bothering to check out the facts first

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41Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year ago

RTS,
The issue of the medical gag order was reported on the front page of the American Medical Association newsletter on August 27, 2012 entitled: Doctors fight gag orders over fracking chemicals.

If physicians do not have a problem with the gag orders imposed upon them after the April letter as you state, why are they bringing the issue front and center in the August edition of their national medical society newsletter?

Dr. Alfonso Rodriguez, nephrology, from PA, filed suit against the PA attorney general on July 27, 2012 in US District Court. So I guess he was also not convinced this letter written in April does anything to remove the gag order placed upon him.

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42ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

RTS......Ytown20's post above to you clearly debunks your statement. You can't argue that August comes months after April....

Doctors are forced to sign these gag orders. They can't even inform neighbors of a patient exposed to these chemicals.

I read one doctor who said that after reading the details of the gag order she was forced to sign that she understands that even if 20 years from now she utters that so in so was exposed to (insert any of the deadly chemicals being used)... that she can still get in trouble for violating the gag order.

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43RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year ago

You told me to check the AMA website and that is exactly where the information I posted came from
American Medical Association
www.ama-assn.org/
I am no longer going to debate this issue with you as you obviously do not read the the sources you site.

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44ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

Rts...I am glad you will no longer debate this issue. Nobody was looking to debate with you to begin with. Your willful ignorance is something I can't compete with. Being the supposed "on the fence citizen" you claim to be, your efforts to twist and control the truth are very peculiar.

You posting a few sentences from the article doesn't prove anything other than the fact that a "damage control" statement was released. The doctors involved in law suits are still going through with it however. They find it unethical that when a patient comes in that's being unwillingly poisoned, that they cannot inform their patients' neighbors who are also being unwillingly poisoned.... to take precaution.

By the way, for those who haven't seen it... the article is right below a picture of a woman demonstrating how methane has leached into her water by lighting her water on fire. Then directly under that is a story of Dr. Amy Pare', M.D. who cracked the case of why patients were coming to her with bleeding, oozing lesions on their face. She came to find out that all the patients lived near the same natural gas drilling site and tests later revealed the patients had phenol and hippuric acid in their urine.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20120...

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45UticaShale(847 comments)posted 1 year ago

@Vindy and RTS, the Vindy needs to mandate all who post here to reveal their true identity inorder for the readers to establish authority on the subject if any. What we most likely will find is hollow individuals with no background nor track record to shore up their claims. We will find very quickly that most above are takers in society and produce nothing.

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46ABC100(707 comments)posted 1 year ago

Utica...so the medical doctors and professors who are speaking up against people being poisoned and the geologists who are speaking up about the earthquakes this is causing are the "takers of society"? Cause this info comes from them as well as The Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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