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PROBE CONTINUES INTO CRASH



Published: Tue, March 12, 2013 @ 12:09 a.m.

probe continues into crash that killed 6 teens

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Teiranny Hardman of Warren places a stuffed animal Monday at the scene where six Warren teenagers were killed. The Sunday morning crash on Niles-Warren River Road occurred just north of Burton Street and across from the former RG Steel mill near the Warren-Howland Township line.

By Ed Runyan

runyan@vindy.com

WARREN

As investigators continue to question what five boys age 14 and 15 were doing in a sport-utility vehicle at 7 a.m. Sunday before the worst vehicle crash in Trumbull County history, a survivor recounted his dramatic escape.

“We was almost home and she speeded up, and I told her, ‘Slow down, slow down, slow down,’” said 18-year-old Brian K. Henry II.

Six teens in the vehicle were killed, including the driver.

The father of victim Andrique Bennett, 14 — who was known as “Butter” — thinks they “were trying to get home.”

“They were at the movies, they stayed at a friend’s. They put their trust in someone else’s hands,” Andre Bennett Sr. said Monday. “They were all innocent little kids.”

Others dead are Kirklan M. Behner, 15; Daylan Ray, 15; Brandon A. Murray, 14; and Ramone M. White, 15.

They and 19-year-old Alexis Cayson died after the vehicle Cayson was driving overturned in a pond and filled with water on Niles-Warren River Road Southeast.

A community prayer vigil Monday night at the ACOP Center on Niles Road memorialized the young victims.

Another 15-year-old, Asher C. Lewis, survived with Henry.

Henry, interviewed Monday afternoon, said he got into the car after the younger boys, so he doesn’t know where they had been before that — but they told him they had been “at the mall and they were coming from a party or something.”

Henry said he succeeded in getting Cayson to slow down just before the crash, but she sped up again.

SURVIVOR’S account

“She sped up again and then she jerked or, if it was how fast she was going, the wheel jerked on its own, and we hit the [guard] rail. The whole car flipped over into the water,” Henry said.

“I hit my head on the dashboard and then I blacked out after that, but it threw me into the back seat. While I’m in there, I woke up because the water was super cold,” he said.

“It woke me back up. I saw the first light. It was so dark in there. Upside down, I went to the first light I seen. It was a window. The windows were rolled up. And my friend Andrique Bennett — he was like, ‘Bust a window, Beezie, bust a window.’”

“I was hitting the window multiple times. Eventually I got out, but half of my body was out and my feet were still tangled in the seat belt, but I managed to get my top half out.”

Henry said he broke out the rear window with his elbow and went to shore.

“All I saw was my friend coming behind me, Asher Lewis. I get up on land. I go up over the rail and try to stop two cars, but they just ride right past me, so I ran to the nearest house I could go to to get help.”

ONGOING INVESTIGATION

The Ohio State Highway Patrol, in a statement Monday night, said it has been determined that the vehicle was traveling on Niles-Warren River Road, not Pine Street Southeast. The guardrail, however, is within the Warren city limits. Niles-Warren River Road is a continuation of Pine Street. The site is a mile south of downtown Warren in an industrial area near the former RG Steel mill and other industrial facilities.

The owner of the vehicle, Marquis Stephenson, filed a theft report on the vehicle with Warren police at 12:02 p.m. Monday. Stephenson told police the vehicle was taken from North Feederle Road in Warren.

The 1998 Honda Passport was inspected, and there were no defects found that would have been a contributing factor in causing the vehicle to lose control, the patrol said, adding none of the eight occupants was wearing a safety belt.

Results of blood tests to determine whether alcohol or drugs were involved are pending.

Lt. Brian Holt of the patrol’s Southington Post said his agency has spoken with Henry and Lewis, but the agency is “still determining” what the teens were doing the evening before the crash and where they were headed.

Holt said it’s also not clear what caused the 6:56 a.m. wreck, other than indications that Cayson was driving too fast. Marks on the road and guardrail indicate the car veered left, hit the guardrail, then flipped into a 5-foot-deep pond and overturned.

Lewis and Henry, after escaping, ran a quarter-mile to get help at the nearest house on Burton Street.

A FATHER RECALLS

Bennett Sr. said he saw his son playing basketball Saturday afternoon near the Bennett home on Belle Street with two of the other boys who died, and he believes the boys were among a group who went to Niles later to watch a movie.

“It was always to go out and to the movies on Saturdays,” he said of the boys’ habits. Bennett said he doesn’t believe the boys were at a party because “there are no parties at that time.”

As for Niles-Warren River Road, that’s how he’d expect someone to travel if he or she was taking those kids home, because most of them lived just a short distance from where the crash occurred — in the southeast area off Niles Road.

From the west side, people frequently take that road south off South Street, then take a left on Burton Street to Henry’s house on Milton Street or to the Trumbull Homes apartments, where some of the boys lived.

Bennett said he’s been told Cayson was at the house where the boys stayed Saturday night, and Cayson offered to give them a ride home. Bennett said he doesn’t know where they stayed.

Bennett said he once took his son and his friends home from the mall, overloading his car, to make sure they made it home safely, so he understands eight people piling into a vehicle designed for five.

Bennett said his son, an eighth-grader at Willard K-8 School, was gifted in music and “had a big heart.” When one of his friends didn’t have a nice shirt to wear somewhere, Andrique asked his dad for one. “He’d come to me and beg me for a shirt,” he said.

Andrique also told his friends and family on a regular basis, “I love you,” Bennett said.

COMMUNITY VIGIL

Hundreds of people packed the basement of the ACOP Center at 2051 Niles Road SE Monday evening and later released balloons into the rainy, gray skies as a tribute to the victims.

The Rev. Robert Lewis, of the House of Prayer on Wick Street Southeast, said he’s “so tired of the vigils” and losing young people who are supposed to be the next leaders of the community and the nation.

“You guys are so afraid to live, but you’re not afraid to die, and that’s so sad,” he said, apparently directing his comments to the young people.

Mayor Doug Franklin said losing people so young “seems so unfair, but we’re going to learn from this. A lot of people are with us. We’re not going to let this loss of life be in vain.”

DEADLIEST CRASH

The state patrol’s Holt said the accident is the deadliest car crash in Trumbull County history. It is the deadliest in Ohio in the past three years, Holt said.

The 911 call that brought firefighters from Warren and Howland to the accident scene came from the house on Burton where the two survivors ran. The resident there told the 911 operator that two young men were at her house with cuts and bruises they said they had gotten from a car accident.

The next call was from an employee of Stericycle just south of the accident scene, saying he heard a crash and saw a car upside down in the pond.

The dispatcher called the woman back and learned from the youths that there might be others still in the car, so she dispatched the Warren Fire Department and Warren Police Department.

Fire Chief Ken Nussle said there were four firefighters at the scene trained in cold-water rescue, and they were putting on their wetsuits as they traveled to the accident.

“Our rescuers were in cold-water rescue suits in the water within minutes of the 911 call,” Nussle said.

Nussle said the teens probably were trapped in the car for more than 20 minutes by the time firefighters got to the car, but the firefighters didn’t know that, and “it was treated as a rescue effort.”

As soon as a teen was pulled out, he or she was handed off to a paramedic from the Howland Fire Department or the MedStar ambulance service, “trying to revive them,” Nussle said.

Firefighters retrieved each teen through a car door that firefighters got open, Nussle said.

THIRD TRAGEDY

Franklin pointed out the tragedy is the third large-scale loss of life the city has suffered in 21 months. Four children and two adults died in a house fire on Landsdowne Street Northwest in June 2011, and two children and two adults died last March at a house fire on Austin Avenue Northwest.

“We’re a community that celebrates our victories together ... but we’re also a community that pulls together and cares for each other at times like this,” Franklin said.

Warren Superintendent Michael Notar said he considered closing the schools Monday but decided to keep them open to ensure access to counseling.

“We actually had some of the siblings of the deceased that came to school today,” Notar said. “I think they needed that support. I think in times like these, [grieving children] reach out to teachers and other students that they feel comfortable being around, so we just want to keep our doors open for our students to provide that support that they might not get if you close school.”

About 200 people turned out at the Willard K-8 School Sunday night to talk to counselors. Many of the dead teens, all of whom attended Warren City Schools, lived near the Willard K-8 School.

Notar said he was going to speak to the students at Warren G. Harding High School at the end of the school day about “safety and good decisions.”


Comments

1excel(284 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Life is all about surviving to live yet another day. Learning is all about getting the ability to stay. Many times learning from others mistakes is all that it takes. Let us remember those who have left for they have shown the path that leads to death.

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2Attis(900 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to come together, and the picture is not a pretty one. Why would the driver, the only woman in a 5-passenger stolen car packed with 7 male teens, go over 70mph in a dark 35mph zone; slow down after being begged to do so; and then speed up again going into that dangerous curve? Did she intentionally or accidentally hit the rail? Was she suicidal, homicidal, high or all three? Who was Alexis Cayson, really?

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3DwightK(1263 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Parents have to know where their kids are. If they say they are at a friends house, check up on them. Call or drive by to be sure. Make it clear that if you call their cell phone and they don't answer, you're coming looking for them. Kids have to be accountable.

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4Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

""The Rev. Robert Lewis, of the House of Prayer on Wick Street Southeast, said he’s “so tired of the vigils” and losing young people who are supposed to be the next leaders of the community and the nation."""

So tired of the vigils. Great statement.

""Mayor Doug Franklin said losing people so young “seems so unfair, but we’re going to learn from this. A lot of people are with us. We’re not going to let this loss of life be in vain.”""

Really? This is said at every single vigil, memorial, etc. And nothing ever changes. Parent(s) really need to know what there kids are doing and who there hanging out with and maybe they will quit burying there kids. Be held "accountable" for you children. You brought them into this world, you need to take care of them not society.

No reason to have so many vigils, memorials, dedications, etc for these young kids dying so senselessly. And the sad part is nothing will done till the next one, and again, nothing will do done....endless cycle. Don't anyone ever learn?

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5Cubbies(37 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Why is a 14 year old and a 15 year old allowed to stay out all night? Why do the parents not know where their children are?
I hear more and more stories of junior high kids coming home from school on Friday afternoon and their parents do not see them again until Sunday night when they come home to sleep and get ready for school Monday morning. What in the world is going on these days? When will parents start being parents 24/7?

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6siouxcralose(1 comment)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Wait for the Tox reports and the autopsy of the girl for sexual assault and either see some stories change or the results covered up. Aren't parents of minors legally responsible to know where there kids are????
How about a vigil for learning how to be a parent????

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7redvert(2075 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

This is just a guess but if the driver was starting to fall asleep she may of started to speed up which has been known to happen and then when she abruptly woke she jerked the wheel. Wouldn't be the first time a driver reacted that way.

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8jgm820(115 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

A friend of mine in the education field told me this week "I tell my students, my hope for you is that you outlive your bad decisions"

I guess that could be said for all of us, but particularly teens/young adults...

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9JUSLIKEDIS(7 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

So Marquis Stephenson who was married and had a wife liked hanging out and sleeping at his sisters place. Alexis Cayson who lived with the sister of Marquis Stephenson was driving his SUV. There may have been a relationship between Marquis Stephenson and Alexis Cayson.

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10Attis(900 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Now we learn that Alexis Cayson, the driver, did not have a valid driver's license, and may never have had one. She wasn't wearing a seat belt; none of the occupants were. On her facebook page she describes herself as "silly, like to have fun" with a photo captioned "At Me Now, I'm getting Hater"; she was in a relationship with a Patricio Hijo, who lives in Amsterdam, Holland and who is FB friends with Precious Stephenson, the sister of Marquis Stephenson, the owner of the car he reported stolen a full day after the crash. Was Alexis sexually assaulted that fateful night? Why the excessive speed? Why only teen boys in the car with her? When will this community finally learn the whole truth about this awful tragedy?

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11dawn421(265 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

i hate to go here but if the parents would have been supervising better maybe the 14 and 15 yr olds might not have been in the suv? and im sorry but to interview a survivor and hear him talk, really? go to school and learn to speak english!!!!!! i am so sorry for the parents and i feel this might not have happened if you knew where and what your kids were doing.

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12leftyompton4life(79 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

A lot of you sound like huge a-holes. None of you are perfect and more then likely far from perfect parents. Let the families grieve. The kids f'd up and paid the ultimate price unfort. None of what you guys say helps....just makes you look like a-holes.

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13Aware(219 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I agree with Attis and Dawn. And leftyomp - this board is not designated as a comfort blog. It seems to be all comments are welcome. No one looks like an a-hole except the parents who did not supervise, the car owner who reported his car 'stolen' over a day later, the surviving kid who cannot speak English. By the way...Attis was quite kind...no mention of the disgusting pictures Ms. Cayson posted of herself. No one else put them there - she did. And it tells quite a bit about the type of person she was, too. Note: The Amsterdam mention questionable. Comments here represent what people are thinking - and it's open to all - to share. PS: I am a parent and there is no chance I'd let a 14 year old stay out all night without absolute verification. Parents who allow kids to just be 'anywhere' fit the a-hole description perfectly. Grieving about something avoidable is what I see here.

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14redgpgtp(37 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

This is a sad story. 14-15 yr old males out all night with a 19 yr old female. Car reported stolen a day later after the fact. I think she had a kid so why would she be out like this anyway, and why didn't the guy who survived who was on the news reveal there whereabouts the night or mornng of the accident??? Hopefully these questions will be answered.

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15busyman(239 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Just kickin, just malling, just speeding, just not informing a parent of where your are, just overloading a car, just breaking all the rules that most normal families have when the responsibility of two parents to raise them comes back into fashion. I tragic situation but I agree with a previous commentor. When the real truth comes out about the drivers condition and the owner of the car, someone is going to press charges. Black, White or Yellow, If you are in a hurry, after being out all night to get home before you parents know where you were , there is something that doesn't sound right.

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16Rooster(78 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I don't blame those kids, they were young and stupid and that can always get you killed, almost killed me, in fact. But there is plenty of blame to go around here and this story gets worse and worse. Parents are saying that's how they were raised to explain those youngsters being out all night long. Really? and that worked for them? They don't want better for their kids? Look where those parents are now, living in the projects, and look where those poor kids are. Too bad someone didn't want better for their kids than they had it themselves and put the energy into it to sit on those kids. Who were they counting on to do it for them - the penal system? Those kids paid too high a price for that kind of parenting, and so did the parents. And those two that got out a little bruised up. Couldn't they have helped out at least one more? Even the friend that was telling them to bust out a window? You wait for others to help you out, it can be too late. You can help each other meanwhile. I know it can be done. And the driver, no license, no business driving, already has a four-year old, now an orphan. And the worst part yet. Just what kind of establishment was that car owner running that involves young boys spending the night with a 19 year old woman not related to anyone there!!?? And what was the role of that 19 year old woman in that establishment. And the police go there and fill out a stolen car report? I like how those police get right to the crux of the matter. Reminds me of another headline today where the police are telling folks not to walk in the streets, you could get killed. That community has some thinking to do and so do those two boys with some scratches and bruises, about helping each other out because no one else is going to do it for them, not in time to do any good, and not just when an accident happens either.

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17nanci48(1 comment)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

One question?????Where were the parents?????hate to live with that one!!!!!

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18cambridge(3027 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

If you weren't there and don't have all the facts....just feel free to make stuff up.

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19uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

It's always groundhog day in Warren and Youngstown.

What do we have in this story?

1. A fellow from Youngstown, age 33 that likes to play sleepover at his sisters project/apartment in Warren.

2. That fellows vehicle out being joy ridden in Warren at 6 AM by a slew of underage children and one adult driver.

3. The adult driver is the roommate of the fellow from Ytown's sister.

4. The driver/roommate is self admitted bi-sexual, 19 years of age and has a child of her own. Judging by language and online materials not exactly a high caliber sort of person that mainstrean America feels great about.

4.5 The driver/roomate was unlicensed to operate a vehicle.

5. Most of those in the vehicle were residents of a housing project, according to the media. Living on the public's generosity.

6. Parents of the children out at 6AM seem to have had little to no knowledge of their children's whereabouts since around nine hours earlier, saying they were at the mall or a movie.

You look at the USAToday piece and two of the people in the accident were described as a "cut-up" and another as a "clown".

With math and situations like this, is it any wonder how these folks found their way to their public housing projects and ill filled lives? Emphasis on humor, recreation and rampant no entanglement sexuality surely are contributors.

Why does Rev. Robert Lewis, of the House of Prayer on Wick Street Southeast even come out to these events? Are these folks members of his church?

I see the collared leadership running out like ambulance chasing lawyers any time there is an incident, which is quite often in these areas. No wonder why folks like the Reverend Lewis are so fatigued. Time to tend to your parishioners Rev. Care for the believers, the repentant, the do'ers and those trying to walk the path. Instead of having the good folks providing portage and free giveaways to those inclined to live entitled existence on the dole.

"losing young people who are supposed to be the next leaders of the community and the nation."

Sorry Reverend, but you missed the boat. On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States. At least 16 million black children have been aborted by their willing mothers since Roe v. Wade legalized the practice of murder in 1973. That is at least 36% of black population eliminated through what should be considered medical malpractice and murder. [see: http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html]

Nothing diminishes the horror and loss of life of this event. But like every other major news story we see the loss of life of six youngsters and yell about the leaders of the future and how terrible it all is. That's while blissfully ignoring the systematic murder of 16 million children of color, a silent majority. That's where your leaders, many of them went.

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20uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."
--Erma Clardy Craven (deceased)
Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader

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21Aware(219 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Re: the comment....making things up with no facts? No one was 'there'? No one was there to lead those kids. Those parents had 'no facts' about their kids' whereabouts. Fact: The driver had no license. Fact: The kids were out all night. Fact: The parents did not know their kids were out joyriding around at 7 in the morning. Fact: No one is saying where the kids were all night. RIGHT: None of us were there. Why would we be there? And our own kids were not there - they were HOME where they belong. That is a FACT. Again...if anyone wants to get a glimpse into what this Cayson girl is all about...look up her facebook page. Tells the story. Especially the pictures. They are not the ones shown on TV for sure. FACT.

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22papa1(677 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

we'll never know why this happened. but let's pray that these children are save in heaven and hope that lessons are learned by everyone involved. God bless us all.

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23Aware(219 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Oh..we will know what happened. There are 2 survivors. It'll come out.

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24Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

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""A lot of you sound like huge a-holes. ""

Why?

"None of you are perfect and more then likely far from perfect parents."

I haven't seen one comment that said they were perfect parents. Are you reading the same comments?

""Let the families grieve.""

They are grieving I'm sure, and if there reading articles in the Vindicator about getting answers to what really happened, then they shouldn't be upset with the comments. If that was one of my kids, I surely wouldn't care what anyone says in a article in the Vindicator. Comprehend Skippy?

"The kids f'd up and paid the ultimate price unfort."

Are you not sick and tired of these young kids dying senselessly? You can't sugar coat that, you have to quit just ignoring the problem.

""None of what you guys say helps....just makes you look like a-holes.""

Helps what? Stating cold hard facts instead of ignoring it? This is not reality TV, this is "real life" and the cold hard truth! Society really needs to just quit ignoring the issue.
Again, why do the comments make people look like a a-hole? And read the comments from all over the world since this made the National news. Are they all A-holes to?

cambridge

"If you weren't there and don't have all the facts....just feel free to make stuff up."

Read useless's 1-6 points, not made up, FACTS!

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25boardmanres(40 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

No people do not learn. That is why there are still drunk driving accidents, shootings for "dissing", drug overdoses, etc., etc.
Even I, a " respectable" boardmanres, had a child that would do the same thing, stay out all weekend with no idea what that was doing or where that child was. This was way before cell phones, but you just trust that what they say is the truth.
Even I, a child of the 60's , would never be totally truthful with my parents, that seems to just be the nature of youth. That is the why no one ever learns from these stories, because the lessons are never applied and absorbed. RIP my young victims, may others actually learn, from your tragic example.

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26Aware(219 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Board: Right..we all tried to get over on our parents. We all lied and we all were guilty of sneaking around. BUT I sure would never stay out all night. And my own kids would never have gotten away with it!!!!! If you let your kid go away all weekend with no idea where he/she was was or who they were with, I ask you why NOT? Who the hell was in charge at your house? You say you are respectable? A kid does that when they KNOW they can do it. I do not give a rat's *** where you live. You are not parenting if you allow this. Either you are in charge or they are. In your case, THEY were. PS. Cell phones are unrelated. Kids under 16 don't need them. That is part of the problem. As a parent, we need a place to call to verify they are there. And you do not 'trust' a child who stays out all weekend, either. They have not earned the trust. People amaze me. It's called 'tough love'. Grow a spine.

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27Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Kids do some really stupid things . Teens tend to think they are invincible and it is nothing new. Rebel Without A Cause was filmed in 1955 and it dealt with teen issues between parents and teens and among teens themselves along with this notion of being smarter than they really are. Mistakes, bad ones are made not just by teens in the projects but by adolescents everywhere. Thank God we made it.

Parents do need to step up and know what is going on with their kids but they can't be with them 24-7 everywhere. They are at a time in life where it is normal to want to spend increasingly more time with their friends. But when they mess up as they inevitably will that is when parents or guardians need to pull back that independence until it is earned back again.In other words it needs to be a process over time not handed to them all at once. Even the birds will spend time teaching their young and watch them flap around a while before providing the final boot out of the nest . A parent should try and minimize the chances of a tragedy occurring but to think they can be eradicated is far fetched.

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28Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

zz3"Not so much it might injure someone in this group, but NORMAL people." - - -That was really poor taste.

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29uptowngirl(113 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I do not hav a politically correct bone in my body--I tell it as I see it.
The most important points in the investigation so far is that the driver did not have a driver's license and she allegedly did not have authorization to use the car. Two crimes were committed the moment she pulled out into the street. How about the police charging her posthumously with driving without a license, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and 5 vehicular homicides? These deaths resulted from the commission of crimes: unlicensed driver; unauthorized use of a motor vehicle; failure to use seat belts; speeding; overloading the vehicle and curfew violations. The police charge others with vehicular homicide all the time. If the owner of the car did give the driver permission to drive the car than he should also be charged for negligent entrustment. If the car owner was uninsured then charge him for that. I doubt that the car had collision coverage but, there should be liability coverage or financial responsibility.

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30Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

If the owner of the car did give the driver permission to drive the car than he should also be charged for negligent entrustment. - -Whether or not he gave her permission is upside down. If she had permission to use the vehicle did not mean he gave her permission to drive the kids around break curfew ETC. The driver of the vehicle must bear the responsibility for the crash and she is dead. Looking for a pound of flesh in this case is wrong headed. Nothing will bring them back. If something can be learned for the future then so be it other than that it was a tragedy. If you believe in God pray for the parents they are likely destroyed by this and are in fact in shock.

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31vinglass(237 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I don't understand why the two boys who got out through the broken window didn't help the others escape?

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32uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

@vinglass,

What's there not to understand here?

As a culture, people are taught to call the "officials" in time of need. No citizen shall exhibit Superman or Superwoman tendencies and think independently.

@Bigben, surely the owner of the vehicle is trying to smokescreen reality with his very tardy fraudulent police report (theft of vehicle).

This accident was preventable in dozens of ways. 5 parents should have known where their children were. 1 vehicle owner shouldn't have been having questionable sleepover. 1 vehicle driver shouldn't have been driving and especially shouldn't have been speeding and engaging in horseplay while driving.

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33dawn421(265 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

and 3 of the "innocents" here were thrown out of certain apartments in warren on a daily basis for drugs, and harassing elderly people if the police got called. running down hallways banging on doors. rediculous. where the heck were the parents when they were skipping school to do this crap? and before you jump me and say i dont know what i am saying, yes i do, i work at the apartments!!!! these kids were far from innocent and like i said if the parents paid attention to where their babies are more often, maybe they would be with you now. use a phone and check up on them and not a cell phone, the home phone of the place they are to be at. and for crap sake, drive there and speak to the parents and find out if there is a "sleepover". stop letting your thugs run wild and bother others. keep them at home

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34Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

@zz3 "Truth is bitter" - --Yep that is why I will stand by what I said.

@vinglass - -It is possible the 19 year old may have taken the vehicle without his knowledge . I'm not saying your wrong.I am saying it is possible. The cops are trained to get at the truth. Regardless the girl who is dead was the adult with minors and would in my opinion be the one responsible.

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35Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

@Vinglass "I don't understand why the two boys who got out through the broken window didn't help the others escape?" - - -I would imagine they were in shock and went to get help. They are kids not adults. When I was 8 I set a firecracker off that I found in a neighbors yard.Just the red ash was slowly heading towards the firecracker -no fizzle. So I went back to light it again and it blew up and I screamed because I couldn't hear much out of my one ear. My brother and neighbor ran down the street instead of knocking on my parents door. Kids do stupid things sometimes.I learned a valuable lesson and never messed with them again.My dad was angry with me and he had a right to be.Why did they run ? Because they panicked.I know some of you can't relate because you were perfect straight from the womb.

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36Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Reuters) - Honda Motor Co Ltd (7267.T) will recall nearly 250,000 vehicles globally, including sedans, minivans and SUVs, due to braking problems, the automaker said on Thursday
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37uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Drug, sex and partying. That's the vulture subculture.

I don't recall the last time we had some big blow up accident/incident of a middle class suburban working child along with friends.

@aconstituent, So the Reverend Robert Lewis is convicted felon?

@dawn421, thanks for sharing your firsthand knowledge.

I expect the media to go out and research the backgrounds of the talking bobbleheads before giving them airtime/writer time. Never seems to happen. Instead we have this worship of the dead and making people out to be much more important societal contributors than they ever were.

How much good money must be bled from the middle class workers to "support" these types of folks?

"According to the Census’s American Community Survey, the number of households with incomes below the poverty line in 2011 was 16,807,795," the Senate Budget Committee notes. "If you divide total federal and state spending by the number of households with incomes below the poverty line, the average spending per household in poverty was $61,194 in 2011."

This dollar figure is almost three times the amount the average household on poverty lives on per year. "If the spending on these programs were converted into cash, and distributed exclusively to the nation’s households below the poverty line, this cash amount would be over 2.5 times the federal poverty threshold for a family of four, which in 2011 was $22,350 (see table in this link)," the Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee note.

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38vinglass(237 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

@Bigben... So panicky that they could't help their friends escape? The others were still alive and drowning, So these two ran away to get help.
Didn't come from the womb perfect, as you suggest, but apparently arrived with a good deal more common sense and courage than you

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39uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Although there is no law @JS against witnessing someone dying and not intervening, it is rather contrary to human nature.

I am not a Bible thumper, but I'll tell you from the first hand observance of folks like this and communities like where they live, some belief in a higher power and exercising those beliefs would go a long way to improving their lives. It doesn't matter which religious vein they find, it would be vastly superior to worshiping the god of welfare, drugs, booze and sex.

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