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Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs



Published: Wed, June 5, 2013 @ 12:01 a.m.

By JOE GORMAN

jgorman@vindy.com

Youngstown

Cardinal Mooney High School is staying put in Youngstown, but expect changes to take place.

Bishop George V. Murry of the Catholic Diocese of Youngstown announced Tuesday that he has decided against a proposal to move the school from its location on the South Side to the suburbs.

However, Bishop Murry said, the building will be renovated, academic programs will be upgraded and the school will continue to look out for the safety of its students.

There was no timetable given as to when the renovations will begin or what might take place.

The bishop’s announcement comes after the diocese hired a consulting firm from Madison, Conn., to help it decide if the school should move after a group of alumni had asked the diocese to consider moving the school to Mahoning County’s southern suburbs where the population is moving.

Bishop Murry said in a statement he decided having the school stay put would be the best way to live out its mission of providing a quality Catholic education and service to the surrounding community.

Youngstown was hoping the school would stay put, and Bishop Murry said he met with Mayor Charles Sammarone and Police Chief Rod Foley to talk about ways to improve safety in the area.

Councilwoman Janet Tarpley, D-6th, said she is pleased with the bishop’s decision.

Mooney is in the 6th Ward.

“I’m excited and I’m thrilled he decided to do that,” Tarpley said.

Bishop Murry said another factor in his decision was that it would be cheaper to make renovations than to build a new building. In addition, he said in his statement, it is important for the diocese to be good stewards of their finances.

Tarpley said she thinks the school is key to helping to revitalize that part of the ward. Having another empty building would not be good, she said.

“That will help stabilize the neighborhood,” Tarpley added.

Demaine Kitchen, Sammarone’s chief of staff, said he is grateful to the bishop for his decision.

“[Mooney’s] proud tradition and rich history will continue in the city,” Kitchen said.

He said the city stresses keeping its core institutions in Youngstown and that Bishop Murry’s decision is a win-win for both parties.

“It can only be a positive for the city and for Mooney,” Kitchen said.

Kitchen said the administration stands ready to work with Mooney should the school or diocese need any assistance.

Dr. Nicholas Wolsonovich, diocesan superintendent of Catholic schools, said it is good the decision has now been made so plans can be put into effect for the future of the school at its present location.

“We have a solid direction and we can now move forward,” Wolsonovich said.

The school has been at its current site on Erie Street since 1956.


Comments

1Bman(151 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Thank you Bishop! It takes a Valley outsider to think clearly on these issues. If Canfield residents had their way, there would be nothing left in Youngstown for any of us to enjoy! YSU, Dior, Stambaugh and Ursuline and Mooney would all be in Canfield!

"...“That will help stabilize the neighborhood,” Tarpley added.."

I don't know about that but I'm glad it is staying put. Mooney is rooted in tradition and history and to leave Erie Street would be to rob future generations of that history.

That neighborhood needs much more than a Catholic school to stabilize it.

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2UticaShale(854 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Reality is the production people of Youngstown will continue to migrate away from the takers and schools have never stood in their way.

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3WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Good move for the city and the diocese. Thank you, Bishop Murry.

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4NoBS(1940 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Politics? Ya think?

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5busyman(239 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

It is amazing how one man can say no in a democracy when the board said yes. Sounds like the King of the local Catholics has spoken. He was reached by the local inner city polititions that need some diversity in a school city and keep that part of the city from total decay. If the money in the burbs has the power it will show the King who controls the future course in this decision. Lighten his coffers with your donations and he will see the true mission statement of Cardinal Mooney. Their alumini is strong and will prevail in any future decisions.

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6dmacker(277 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I wander exactly what service to the community the bishop is speaking of. Few of the Mooney students reside in Youngstown and few of the staff and teachers reside in the city. They of course pay city income tax on their earnings in the city.
It would seem better for the students to have the school relocated closer to where most of them live and have a more modern and safer facility in which to learn. Putting money into a new paint job on that building with the same security concerns seems to be ill advised.
Much is left unsaid in the Bishops decision.

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7kensgirl(609 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Bishop Murray caved in to the voices of people like Janet Tarpley! How many kids does SHE have going to Mooney!!!! I hope Mooney goes broke. The Board spoke and was overlooked. So much for democracy! Wait until someone gets shot going back and forth from athletic practice. Those neighborhoods are treacherous! I will never give another penny to the alumni association. Done. You have no backbone Murray!! What a coward you are. Let the inner city kids on athletic scholarships run the diocese. It's all downhill from here.

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8lumper(281 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

look for the money players to have the bishop transferred. it will look like a promotion or better "job " , but he will go, sooner than later.

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9Max(81 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Well said, kensgirl. I agree 100%. Instead of having concern for the safety and well-being of the students, and the future of the Mooney family, the Bishop caved. Both of us, and both of our children, are Mooney alum. They will see no more contributions from us. What a waste. It breaks my heart to know the future of Mooney is doomed. I agree that it wouldn't be the same in a new location, but sometimes we have to face reality instead of sticking our head in the sand. That location is not going to survive.

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10beach4life(11 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I don't have children at Mooney but I can see both sides to this argument. My question though is why has the diocese or school board or whoever is in charge waited until $18 million dollars was needed for improvements???

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11NoBS(1940 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Imagine if Christ conducted Himself in the same manner as not only the Catholic hierarchy, but the leadership of all our religions, or even our government, for that matter.

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12walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

This is a surprise. I thought that the purpose of the diocesan schools was to provide the families of the Roman Catholic parishes an educational facility where their children could obtain a quality education based on the catechism of our faith? If the parishes that feed Cardinal Mooney with students are now in the suburbs in southern Mahoning county, that is where the facility should be located. The current building is excessively large for the current and projected enrollment. A newer, energy-efficient, ergonomical facilty of appropriate size should be constructed on Western reserve Road. Mooney is supposed to be a college-prep school and this would allow them the possibility of increasing enrollment. As for renovating the current facility that is over 50 years old, you just can't polish a turd!

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13city_resident(513 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

"As for renovating the current facility that is over 50 years old, you just can't polish a turd!"

Sure you can! Have you been inside Chaney HS since it has been renovated? Was the Mooney building really that sub-par when it was built?

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14Jive_Turkey(32 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I didn't see this as an option but it certainly is a solution...

Youngstown public schools, specifically Kirkmere Elementary and Volney Rogers Middle School, are both located in the heart of the West Side in Cornersburg and are both scheduled to close. Why wouldn't the Bishop, council, and city leverage those properties as possible alternatives to the current site. It provides solutions for all parties involved. The school, faculty, and student body could still operate within the city in an area that is much safer, cleaner, and more accessible for those who travel.

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15Owlguin(49 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

As a long ago resident who still visits frequently, I am very surprised they haven't merged these two Catholic High Schools. There's no reason to maintain two Catholic high schools that each graduate such small classes. Even if they merged, their class sizes would still be smaller then when I lived in Youngstown. Waste of money. The Diocese isn't in the business of maintaining schools to revitalize or stabilize neighborhoods.

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16walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

city_resident,
The building was not sub-par when it was built in the late '50s but it certainly is now. But, the school is approaching 60 years old and it doesn't adapt well to modern educational requirements. While the building is structurally adequate now, the mechanical, plumbing and electrical all need massive upgrades. No insulation in the walls, old leaking window sash, small rooms and halways, antiquated science labs. This is a prep school that people pay big money to attend. When this school was built, hallways were permitted under building codes to be used as a cold-air return for heating. Not anymore and ductwork must be installed which means cutting openings in the structure that require reinforcing. Plus, A/C is a must. Then, you look at the plumbing. Must be modernized with new fuxtures that use less water. What about electrical demands that need increased? How about information technology and the communication wiring that must be installed. Then, when renovating a school that must be used for 9 months, scheduling is a mess and costs go up. This necessitates new rooms or the use of temporary rooms. Now, let's say you accept all of these issues, propose a plan and implement it. When you are done, you still have a school that is 60 years old with modern systems. Much easier to start from scratch.

BTW, I did not attend Mooney but my better half did.

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17city_resident(513 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

walter_sobchak,
I don't know how different the Chaney and Mooney buildings are, so maybe the comparison isn't appropriate, but they are from--generally--the same era, and all of the upgrades you describe were made to the old portion of Chaney. That's why I asked if you toured the building since the renovations.

The issue of temporary facilities might be a valid one. As I said, I'm not at all familiar with the current Mooney building, so the answer might be obvious, or it might not be.

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18jgm820(115 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Merge UHS and CMHS. They've merged almost all of the parishes and/or parochial schools who have had dwindling populations to "save money", why would you not do it for the parochial high schools. They could just rename the new school.

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19Westsider(224 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Funny that no one is mentioning the elephant in the room----athletics. How much money is going to subsidize non-Catholic athletes (primarily football and basketball players). If the schools are merged - bye-bye "scholarship" money. Moving Mooney to Boardman, Canfield or another point south would not be conducive to maintaining the status quo and giving the parents what they ostensibly pay for - an education of higher quality than can be supplied by the public schools. I know what I'm talking about - one of my children attended Ursuline.

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20Seriouslee(101 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I wonder how much of a safety issue is really there? I mean other than parents perceiving that their children are in danger have there been actual crimes committed against students on the campus by non-students? I really don't know the answer to this--I'm sincerely asking have there been many documented reported crimes?

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21kensgirl(609 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

The Bishop said that he will increase the quality of education now. WHAT!!! These kids are already getting miliions, yes MILLIONS in scholarship money each year. You can't improve on that Murray. I dare you to look for contributions among many alumni now. You spit in our faces. I've already spoken to parents who are pulling their kids out. Nice job Bishop! You let political correctness ruin a good school. How much money does it take to educate an inner city youth going to Mooney?? The same as those who pay out of pocket. Shame on you Bishop. You need to go elsewhere to look for your next job. We are already tired of your antics and disregard for Christian values.

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22republicanRick(1151 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

We all know the real issue here - it is white flight to the suburbs so Mooney students and families can avoid the stench, crime, and blight of underachieving black neighborhoods. Should Mooney stay and help rebuild the dilapidated area or run away to better areas?

As true Catholics and Christians, I guess the answer is to stay and minister to the poor and un-motivated. I wish them well and hope it works. It is surely a noble attempt.

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23busyman(239 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I heard on a radio program that the Bishop could not be reach for comment. It was also stated that his office stated that he would be out of town next week. What a professional. I guess he doesn't understand the business part of the decision that he reversed. Wait until all the money dries up that was promissed by the burbs for a new building. You think they are going to support the total remodeling of a project that they paid to have evaluated and than knock down the professional results to move the school. I think you will see the support fall off and he will reverse his direction. I wonder we the Bishop will ask all the Catholics to turn in their guns. He rules the Kingdom.

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24jenn521(2 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I am really confused as to why anyone thinks the school will survive. If people aren't fleeing this state all together, they're certainly fleeing from Youngstown to the suburbs. For what it costs to send kids to these private schools, a person can move to Canfield or Poland for just a few bucks more a month, have a great (and free) public education and a house that's worth a damn at the end of the day.

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25jmagaratz(166 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

The elephant in the room is not athletics or race. It is BIRTH CONTROL! Births are down and will continue to be low. The question is one of sustaining enrollment at the levels needed to operate a school. Enrollment is declining and school facilities are overbuilt. Where will the students come from?

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26Don7936(2 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Eventually the school will HAVE to move, due to the usual story of neighborhood deterioration in our area. How the bishop considers the school an anchor for the 6th ward is a mystery since most of the students are not from the local neighborhood. Is he protecting city tax revenues?
Keeping the school small to keep the OHSAA rating which is enrollment based? I don't see any good reason to keep it on Erie Street. As a Mooney alum ('76), I'm surprised the building is still standing. A move to the suburbs might INCREASE enrollment, which I thought was the Catholic mission anyhow, to make the church more accessible to more people. Eventually it will relocate, the deterioration will force this decision to be reviewed and reversed.

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27beach4life(11 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Let me get this straight...parents send their children to a catholic high school for a "catholic" education...yet the school isn't going to move so they are going to pull their children from the school....did you really value that "catholic" education???

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28jgm820(115 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

If they are going to move it south - move it to Columbiana County - JFK could serve the Trumbull county parishes, UHS could serve the Mahoning County parishes and CMHS could serve Columbiana County...

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29RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Parlayhenry...It is amazing to me that in this age and in this country you are crying the way that you are! All people of color, not only African Americans have amazing opportunity's. More so now than ever in history or in any part of the world, if anyone on this thread is being a whiner it is you and not Brown. Your comments are disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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30EWandF(25 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Hey Mooney"ites!! Tell the truth now!!! Bishop Murray did not cave in front of the Bruno Bus!!! You know...the guy with all the money driving the bus to move to the suburbs!! Get away from those black folks unless they can run the football. It is the race card you are playing. Our bishop was too smart to be blindsided!! It was all about race!! Send Bruno a case of champagne and some cigars to chew on and drown his sorrows.!! Guess his money does not really talk. Nor does he walk the walk of a Christian!! Oh, and make sure the cameras are there!! Oh, and by the way, all of those close to this situation will DENY this is the truth!! Absolutely!! Soooooooooooo blog all you want against my comment. You lie!!!

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31RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Keep right on feeling sorry for yourself, I feel sorry for you too.

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32Dameem2(1 comment)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Ysc doesn't write any checks, they just don't get the state money for those kids. They still get property tax money. It's a bargain for the state. It costs 15,000 to educate a student in the city schools, but they send the parochial schools around 5000. I may be wrong, but I think those getting vouchers can't play major sports. Anyone know for sure? As for the need for the black athletes to score touchdowns, who ever Mooney played in their first game last year, believe it was Cleveland St. Ignatius, looked to be almost completely white, yet they have the most state championships! Disproves your theory Mr. whiny racecard!

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33austintownres(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Parlayhenry....Mooney does not want to move to get away from the blacks, like you seem to think. Their map of enrollment would stay the same. Anyone who could go to Mooney now, would have been able to go to the new school. So you would have been happy that they kept their fast black kid to score touchdowns!
It is a fact that the worst area of Youngstown is the southside. Murders have happened blocks from Mooney. Ursuline is lucky being close to YSU. Mooney's neighborhood is run down.
It is also a fact that most Mooney students do not come from the city of Youngstown. Boardman and Poland are 2 strong areas for Mooney. There are many more (tuition paying) parents who would send their kids to Mooney, but not at it's present location. So why not build where your student base is? Any city kid who wouldn't want to ride a bus to the new school could easily go to Ursuline. They'd have no problem taking in extra kids.
It takes more than a fast kid in the backfield (white or black) to win state championships. Otherwise East would have won a few by now!
This thread is about Mooney and a new school. You want to cry about how disadvantaged you are, get on your free Obama phone, call your homeys, and cry to them!

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34austintownres(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

ParlayHenry..I suppose you THINK that you're not prejudice? YOU brought race into this discussion. This move was about what was best for a school. One catholic high school in Youngstown would have been plenty to serve EVERYONE! In spite of Murray's decision, I doubt this is over!

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35RTS1416(117 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Like I said before, go right on feeling sorry for yourself.

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36JJ(28 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

A once valued faith based education has now become the country club of schools with far more attending to show theses are families of means. Sadly the good people of Mooney and Ursline will die a slow painful existence living separately while coming together to preserve the future could ultimately mean longevity by having one thriving high school which could be known as Youngstown Central Catholic. They did it in Warren combining Harding and Reserve, it was at first painful but now strong. United we stand divided we fall!

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37republicanRick(1151 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Well stated, Mooney has become a country club high school instead of a faith based school. There are a handful of very rich people and politicians who send their kids to Mooney because they can control the administration and teachers. Mooney's present principal was put in place because of the wishes of a very rich woman who you can figure out. The long standing assistant was shoved aside and then quit. In our public schools you have Boards, superintendents, etc to keep things in line. At Mooney, money, connections, and 40 yard foot speed puts you at the front of the line.

With the booze and tobacco that was covered up last year, it was because some very rich people supplied it. Risk of losing their money in donations led to the cover up. Money and influence trumped doing what was right. That is not the "Catholic experience" I grew up with.

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38VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Catholic schools face many of the same problems that public schools do today. Crime seems to gravitate towards schools more so than in past generations. School buildings are aging and need upgrading. Windows, doors, floors and ceilings wear out and plumbing, heating and wiring need upgrades. If a school does not maintain their property with upgrades, they will see a drop in enrollment, as students and parents want what is best for them.

Mooney is old and many students are coming in from the 'burbs because that is where their parents have moved, but how long will parents continue to send them to Mooney? Possibly the 18 million in upgrades will help, but I see another issue and that is the quality of the city environment around the school. The city needs to also step in and clean up their neighborhoods around and near the school.

Certainly politics could have played a big hand in the Bishop's decision. Now politics must step up to the plate and get in the game rather than sit back and beg people to stay. If you want people to live, work and learn in your community, you have to give them the desire to do so.

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39biggee(43 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

For whatever reason I think the decision of the bishop was misguided. My son graduated from mooney in 2012. Though we live in the city paid every dime of tuition because he never attended city school. The area around the school is deplorable. With no way to improve the situation it would have been better to start fresh in a new location. Ursuline has the benefit of ysu cleaning up the area around their campus as they are now nearly connected to the university. It must have come down to money because no one save for the city tax coffers would agree renovating is the best course. Seems a little strange the board would vote to move and then have the bishop nix the idea. Normally wouldn't it be worked out with the decesion maker before the vote as not to look like there is conflict ?

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40uptowngirl(111 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I respect the Bishop as a leader. I will say that being a big guy with an entourage accompanying him in his travels--he simply does not understand how scary it is to be a woman and going to Mooney alone in the dark.

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41JaHughes330(2 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I was a graduate of CMHS, an actually very poor student who came from North Lima and was granted a four year scholarship to attend mooney on academics- I was only an average student, excelling in writing and english but not at an AP level. I went to Mooney due to the kindness and private generosity of a local business who believed in me and the Mooney Tradition. Until this point, I had gone to public school- lived in a 50's, older, plain cement block house- and probably the only kid in my class to drive a beater to school (the looks I got parking next to all of those BMWs, Cadillacs etc).The most intimidating part of attending that school in that particular area was the drive to & from the school- leaving the parking lot daily..you took the risk though straying off main roads they stated to us our tenth grade year (avoid areas like Auburndale, Rush, the "dale" avenues). They had the building setup where there was a fence all around the student parking lot that was closed after the first bell rang and opened a few minutes before the last bell rang. The main doors? You weren't able to pass into the main building until you went into the main lobby first.The teachers there are overworked and underpaid, but do everything in their power to ensure all the students are safe. Our senior year? A "Service Class" was offered, students broke up into smaller groups, ride together and volunteered at places like- Mill Creek Learning Centre & Pre-School, Paul C Bunn, The School for Autism, Nursing Homes, Fish Samaritan House,-- most programs that were based within the city limits. I was able to see and meet people from all ethnic, socioeconomic backgrounds, from neighborhoods all over the city and suburbs etc. I didn't care about their athletics, football, baseball etc- but it was the teachers, the neighborhood and the service that made me realize that I wanted to make a difference in someones life (even if it was just one person). After Mooney I was inspired to continue to volunteer at the various places within the city (on my own), and now a student at YSU I still continue to assist in Animal Rescues within Youngstown, and other social welfare programs, as well as sit on some of their boards now. I pray that Bishop did this for the welfare of the service and stewardship that he cited in his speech, I hope that he was not pushed by Sammarone and his cronies, I hope that there is a bigger, brighter picture to his grand idea. I wish them all the luck in the world, no one said that things would be easy- especially the right things. I support all the Catholic Schools as much as possible because I believe in their mission. CMHS showed me a lot about myself, my character and I was glad to have been given to an opportunity to attend the school- on my fathers mechanic income we would have never been able to afford the tuition alone. I commend you CMHS, as well as UHS and the others who continued to fight and stay in the city.

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42kensgirl(609 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Didn't it speak volumes when they put a fence around the school????? DUH!!!!! I hope you're happy Janet Tarpley. Your interference has helped divide our community even further. You had no dog in the fight but you butted in regardless. If anyone gets assaulted going or coming to the school it's on YOUR watch and the bishop's. God have mercy on both your devious souls.

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43beach4life(11 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I;ve traveled to Mooney on several occasions and yes it is in a less than perfect location, however, that doesn't mean there will be violence. If you have seen the news in the past few years school voilence happens even on the most beautiful of campuses in "ideal" locations.

The bigger picture is Youngstown does NOT need two Catholic High Schools. The idea of keeping both open is senseless and while I understand the pride and tradition of both it is time that those in this area that support Catholic schools wake up and think about the future. Both schools are facing declining enrollment, Catholic grade schools are closing, Catholic parishes are combining so my question....if you support Catholic education and all that if offers why not combine the school and have one strong high school?

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44stan_smagala(56 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

After reading the comments above, two words come to mind.

Unparalleled arrogance.

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45kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

If I were a parent planning to send my children to a school- public or private- my only concern- apart from academics- would be where will my children be safest- Mooney on Erie, or Mooney on Western Reserve? Easy choice.

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46kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Children shouldn't be used as pawns on a chess board. The Mooney Location decision should be based on what is best for them- the present and future students of Mooney- and not what helps the City of Youngstown in its fight to stay afloat.

Interestingly, Bishop Murray is an executive in an organization not always known- at least not lately if we can believe the headlines- dedicated to the welfare of children.

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47kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

For taxme: It's a school! It's there for the students and their parents not as an instrument for social improvement. If people want to leave that neighborhood (apart from the condition of the building itself), well, that's what democracy is all about, right? - Oops, I'm sorry, I forgot, were talking about the Catholic Church here: not exactly a pillar of democracy, is it?

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48kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

"A Lifeline for Minorities?!" The only people minorities need saving from is the entrenched Democratic (sic) Party. Blacks vote overwhelmingly for Democrats and have for years (as does the Mahoning Valley and it hasn't helped us either) and that fact is their undoing. They get taken for granted every election cycle and nothing changes for them- and nothing will unless the Demographics change- a group with a 70% Illegitimacy rate can't possibly advance no matter where they get sent to school- public, parochial, etc.

What we need is a School Voucher Program where average people have the same choices as the Elite, but, of course, the Dems, in bed with the teachers union won't allow that. By the way- where do Michelle and Barack send their kids to school? Despite the lofty rhetoric about "public education"- the girls attend the toney and pricey "Sidwell Academy".

If inner-city schools weren't so horrible, Black kids wouldn't need a "Lifeline" from anyone. The bottom line is the Black Family- what's left of it after 50 years of lefto-feminist indoctrination- is in crisis, possibly (I hope not) a terminal one. Betty (Friedan) and Gloria (Steinem) you have a lot to answer for.

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49kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Also, as far pinning responsibility for the national mess we are in- based on moral decline- Hugh (Hefner) has to assume a prominent place next to Betty and Gloria. Architect of the so-called "sexual revolution", Hugh is the one who taught Americans (stuck in the Puritan 50's) that if "it feels good" it "is good" and you should just go ahead and do it! Guys loved hearing that (not so good for women)- I liked it myself at one time- and is it any wonder that 15 years after the launching of "Playboy" magazine the National Illegitimacy Rate shot up 10 fold. As always that kind of moral license hurts primarily poor and working class people (black have been especially hurt). Wealthy and upper-middle class people (coupon-clippers) can more or less afford that kind of debauchery (remember Murphy Brown and her glorification of Single Parenthood?) It's the rest of us that suffer. Hugh, I hope you turn in your grave someday, when you see what your message did to the country that nurtured you.

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50kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Thanks, I'm glad my comments achieve a purpose of some kind. Actually, it's kind of dumb to call somebody a "sicko" because you dislike what they have to say.

Dumb- and disturbing. The Bolsheviks (and the Nazis) did that you know. If they didn't like somebody and their opinions- rather than just shooting them- they put them away for life in an asylum. Do you remember the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest", what happened to the Jack Nicholson character when he "bucked the system". Nurse Ratchet had him lobotomized, turned into a living vegetable.

Your response to my comments remind me of that. You're obviously a "lefto" and if I ever needed reminding of just how intrinsically intolerant the Left Wing is, your comment reminded me of it. Thanks Again!

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51kurtw(864 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Also, Parlay, if the Roman Catholic Church ever got political power again- like they had years ago- and started another Inquisition- you could apply to be part of that program and I'm sure you would be accepted- I mean it- I've read your comments, you'd be great in a job like that- like most Leftos. Left-wingers are the new, modern-day "Grand Inquisitors"- enforcers of Orthodoxy.

P.S. Just for the record- I'm a Catholic, born and bred, a parochial school product. That accounts for the hostility and bitterness. Jews have an expression- "The Curse of the Apostate"- people who questions and turn away from their own tradition become it's severest critics.

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