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Zimmerman found not guilty

Published: Sat, July 13, 2013 @ 10:06 p.m.


After deliberating for more than 15 hours over two days, jurors have reached a verdict in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial.

The jurors notified the judge Saturday night a little before 10 p.m. that they had reached a decision. It will be announced shortly.

The six-member, all-woman jury began deliberating at 2:30 p.m. Friday after spending part of the day listening to the defense closing arguments and a rebuttal from the prosecution.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon Martin's death, but jurors could also choose manslaughter. Zimmerman claims he shot Martin in self-defense.

The case drew massive protests after a 44-day delay in Zimmerman's arrest. Demonstrators demanded Zimmerman's arrest.

The police chief in Sanford, where Martin was shot and where the trial is being held, urged peace after the verdict is read.


1Attis(1134 comments)posted 3 years ago

No justice for people of color in the USA. Check out the difference between execution (let alone guilty conviction) rates in murder cases when there's a black victim/white defendant to when there's a white victim/black defendant. The difference is as black is to white. Jim Crow never left America.

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2Jerry(863 comments)posted 3 years ago

So the original decision of the original district attorney and police was correct. There never was enough evidence to support a conviction, the charges never should have been brought, and this whole thing was a politically motivated witch hunt.

Now I hope that George Zimmerman sues the state of Florida into bankruptcy for wrongful persecution. I hope he takes the entire state for every penny they have, or ever will have.

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3greene(167 comments)posted 3 years ago

Justice prevailed.

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4georgejeanie(1544 comments)posted 3 years ago

Dancing in the streets when OJ got off. Let's wait and see what happens next.

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5TB(1167 comments)posted 3 years ago

That's Similar To My Thoughts Gj...If George Zimmerman Has Legitimately Been Found Not Guilty, Then I Guess Oj`S Verdict Was Just As Well.

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6redeye1(5679 comments)posted 3 years ago

Common sense has prevailed ! But I see the people of color complaining it wasn't fair. But there was a black juror who voted "Not Guilty" So what can they really say ?

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7VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 3 years ago

All the pre-trial guilty opinions, media hype and persecutions did not stop justice. The state HAD to prosecute to appease public outcry, but in the end they did not have the evidence to convict. Zimmerman is free because justice prevailed. He was attacked and defended himself while he was on the ground with Trayvon sitting on top of him trying to beat his brains out.

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8Jerry(863 comments)posted 3 years ago

Hey!! parlayhenry and I agree on making Florida pay for their misconduct in this case. Slightly different perspectives.....but we do agree.

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9SemiRetired100(25 comments)posted 3 years ago

One for the good guys! Stand your ground forever and forever! Al Sharpton is right now organizing a flash mob in protest. Too bad, Al, the jury has spoken.

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10LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years ago

Justice prevailed. The Legal system should be blind to color and political machinations. Watching the trial it was like Bizzaro land with the Defense arguing the facts and the "nuts & bolts" and the Prosecution just trying to get the Jurors to emote and ignore the facts.

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11ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

By the law of the USA, justice has been served.

Kudos to the jury that saw the facts as they were presented to them and make the only logical decision possible.

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12Jerry(863 comments)posted 3 years ago

Hey parlayhenry:

The answer to your first "litmus" test is a "NO" in both cases; and also "NO" I am not a liar. What evidence do you have that I am??.......Oh, that's right, you don't seem to feel that evidence is necessary to form an opinion and make statements.

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13outoftownbutstillaround(16 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlayhenry, answer this...

Are you assuming that a man killed someone, police let it slide, and a jury acquitted a guilty man ALL because the person who died was black?

That's a strong assumption. The assumption that the nitwit Zimmerman made (that a hooded teen is a criminal) pales in comparison.

And finally, once again, this guy isn't white so it doesn't for your narrative.

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14Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years ago

Attis I did check the execution rates by race you are correct they are very lopsided
this is all executions since 1976

BLACK 460 35%
LATINO 103 7%
WHITE 751 56%
OTHER 24 2%

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15Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years ago

and to add to that they population of death row

BLACK 1,309 41.93%
LATINO 387 12.4%
WHITE 1,351 43.17%
OTHER 78 2.51%

so white are 1.26% more of the death row inmates yet their execution rates are 21% higher. Sounds like race definitely plays into who gets executed

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16papa1(711 comments)posted 3 years ago

Zimmerman is not a racist? then who was he referring to as "those people always get away with it? Zimmerman broke the law when he left his car to hunt martin. how did Zimmerman reach his gun when martins knees were in his armpits as Zimmerman testifies? the prosecution blew this case. Zimmerman is guilty.

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17lumper(301 comments)posted 3 years ago

there was never any doubt that he was innocent. too much "reasonable doubt " to send this bozo to prison. this is just all MEDIA HYPE trying to get the most outrageous black "performer" some tv time about how outraged they are over an obvious verdict.

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18stoutmaster(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay: Kudos to you for NOT being a hippocrite. You are very consistent in believing "guilty before proving innocence" or worse "guilty and not allowed to prove innocence"

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19jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

Hey constructor, talk about killers, how about Obama's CHICAGO?

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20ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay, what does your litmus test prove? What bearing does it have on a case of facts?

The jury went through the voir dire process so obviously both the prosecution and the defense felt they could get a fair trial. The jury dealt with the facts as they were presented to them. So instead of blaming the jury, perhaps the prosecution is to blame for trying to go for murder when they had a weak case to begin with.

Papa, your statement is in error. What law did Zimmerman break when he left his car? The police said not to follow Martin, Zimmerman made a poor choice of judgement when he did anyway. Still, no law broken.

The facts are this no matter how you want to slice it. Zimmerman did nothing illegal that anyone but he and Martin know of. After he left to confront Martin, Zimmerman could have been the instigator or Martin could have been. Unless Zimmerman says different we will never know.

Justice has been served with the facts at hand.

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21joseph(59 comments)posted 3 years ago

Trayvon got exactly what he deserved. Dress like a thug, act like a thug, and get treated like a thug.

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22Rooster(80 comments)posted 3 years ago

This red-neck Republican would have voted for manslaughter for the simple reason that you don't use a gun because you are taking some punches in a little fist fight you had a part in instigating. I don't care who was on top or who threw the first punch, this Zimmerman helped cause this altercation and then shoots some kid because he wasn't prepared to get his nose broken? So then what was Mr. Fraidy Cat doing on the patrol if he was going to shoot some kid in a panic pinch? Never should have been a murder trial, but was a slam-dunk manslaughter any day. News media screwed this up ever which way. If they had stayed out of it, this guy would have pled to a manslaughter and would be doing some jail time and this would have been over. He knew this was a kid, he knew he antagonized this kid following him around, and he didn't need to shoot him in the chest at the very least of it. Could have winged him surely if it came to shooting, which it didn't need to. This wasn't a situation where the kid jumped him to mug him. And another thing - just like the OJ case, no prosecutor is going to be as effective as the Defense money boys. And they also knew no all-woman jury was going to get the etiquette of a fist fight - that worked in Defenses favor, too, and they knew that and the numbskull prosecutor didn't. . Well this is all a big mess now, and no good will come from it - for either side.

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23harleydog(243 comments)posted 3 years ago

Didn't see the blacks rioting when OJ got off for murder. Didn't see the blacks rioting when MJ got off for molesting little boys. No they were cheering in the streets. Didn't see Al Sharpton apologize to the young men who were wrongly accused of raping a black girl in North Carolina. Let me guess Jesse Jackson is going to say that racists are against his son for stealing from his own campaign. The four biggest racist in this country are Jesse, Al, Eric and Barry.

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24JoeFromHubbard(1817 comments)posted 3 years ago

As I've said many times in the past: Racism has always existed to some degree and always will.

These posts are a prime example.

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25Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years ago

The state failed to make its case, the system works. Parlay is speaking strictly on emotion judging from his posts, because the facts of the case overwhelmingly support the verdict that was delivered.

As far as shooting or not shooting, the reality is this: if you are on the ground getting the crap pounded out of you and you legitimately feel your life is in danger, chances are you are not thinking about where to shoot the guy that would least damage him--you just want him off.

The best the prosecution could have hoped for was a manslaughter charge, and even that was shaky.

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26ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay, it`s humorous how you talk about the injustice of profiling blacks yet here you are posting about how we that say justice is served are nothing but Obama hating, right wing nuts. Your comment about knowing what kind of poster Harleydog is, is making an assumption and a type of profiling isn`t it?

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27VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 3 years ago

Facts we should know, but were not generally released to avoid painting Trayvon as a bad guy...I read today that Trayvon was suspended from school at the time due to being caught in school with bags of marijuana residue as well as women's jewelry and lock breaking tools. Some students said he was a nice guy who supplied marijuana to fellow students. He had a record in school as well as with the police, but all was destroyed to avoid bad publicity for the school. He was often tardy or did not show for school and would break into homes on this way to school. In addition, the media photo of Trayvon is actually 4 years old when he was a younger teen. His real photo shows an older and sterner looking adult rather than the angelic youngster in a hoodie. Trayvon was suspended from school for 5 days, but his parents did not know where he was for 3 days until they heard he was killed.

All of this should not be used to convict him as a criminal, but it does paint a picture of Trayvon not being the saint some are attempting to convince us that he was.

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28ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Another assumption I see...

I guess by the facts presented in your posts, you`re guilty of profiling as well.

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29ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay, how do you sleep at night with all those racists hiding behind every bush? Don`t you think you are being a little paranoid? Am I to believe that the jury sent a not guilty verdict because they feared for their lives? Really? WOW!
I guess facts, or lack of in this case played little part in the outcome. It was one big conspiracy.

What logical deduction did you make? Because I go by Antiyoungstown I hate President Obama, am a racist, and I`m right wing? Where is that logic?

As for post 21 and 22, neither are mine. And i don't know what you mean about post 24.

Tell you what, go to sleep, put a logical, fact based post up. That is, of course if the racist boogie man doesn`t get you first. :)

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30excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

Strip him of his gun and Zimmerman has no power to kill. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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31ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Well Parlay, I`ve re-read all your posts and as much as you feel my reading and comprehension skills are lacking, I have to disagree. I have followed your train of thought and responded accordingly.

Actually, perhaps YOU need to look over the posts. You`ve tied me to posts 21 and 22, neither of which I have made. Post 24 has nothing to do with our conversation so I am at a loss as to what you want me to respond to there.

As far as what my reaction would be if Travon was my son? That is impossible for me to respond to. Being a victim of prejudice myself, I have always erred on the side of caution. Never making a move that might be deemed aggressive. Diffusing any potential situation with respect and calmness. I believe my children would do the same regardless. It is a wise stance regardless of anyone`s color or ethnicity. As you stated, you never know what nut job you may come across nowadays.

Your logical deduction is nothing of the sort. You`ve taken a specific, a poster`s name and his opinion of the case, and made a generalization. “One-hundred-percent of those who are in Zimmerman's corner are right-wingers who exhibit racial prejudice and who hate Obama.”- Parlay.

Here is another,

“Post #16...Oh, that's you AntiObama, Antiblack....I mean, AntiYoungstown....you made up your mind the same as Post #14” – Parlay.

I have given you no indication what my racial or political views are, yet you have profiled me.

Your train of thought that you are holding dear to can be used this same way. Example- Black people have been caught stealing and murdering. Travon was black. Therefore Travon was a murderer and a thief.

No difference, correct? You are the same as the people you are accusing. Making grand assumptions, profiling without facts, all opinion and theory.

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32MIZZ(1 comment)posted 3 years ago

Martin was also racist, or is reverse racism OK?
OJ kills TWO people, leaves his children without parents and the black community danced in the streets.
What if Martin attacked Zimmerman because he was a "cracker?"
How did Zimmerman know if Martin had a weapon?
Record numbers turn out to vote in black communities when a black man runs for office, because of his politics? HELL NO.
"•Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
•When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife"
Those are facts: More black people are in the justice system because more black people commit crime.
BLACK ON BLACK crime in Chicago is at alarming rates, Send Jesse Jackson to IL have him lobby to bring those to trial.
Profiles are useful tools~ Old polish grandma's don't blow up buildings and planes. ~ Soccer Mom's usually don't hijack cars.
IF you profiling to stop~ Change the culture.

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33Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years ago

Just as an aside related to this since MIZZ brought this up, the whole concept of "reverse racism" is bogus. It is a false term that the media has attempted to use to classify different kinds of racism, particularly when the media uses it to describe whites accusing blacks of "reverse racism" and that it is some unproven phenomenon when they speak of it.

According to Oxford Dictionary, racism is defined as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:" Therefore if you were to apply the term "reverse racism" correctly, it would refer to someone who is not racist at all.

The term racism does not belong to one single group, any group could be racist against another group. There does not need to be a separate classification like "reverse racism". Racism is racism, period, and it is a two way street.

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34ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

lol, parlay. Emotion? Hardly.

As usual, the astound me with your response.

(In case you didn`t know, that`s sarcasm)


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35ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Sorry, "you" instead of "the".

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36fd6636(289 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay: Have YOU ever said anything racist about whites, Mexicans, Italians, Latinos, etc.? You bet you have! You failed your test. I think its lookie in the mirror time, eh?

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37LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 3 years ago

The Media was sickening. They did everything they could to get a conviction. First they show nothing but those pictures of Martin when he was 13, then they alter the 911 tape to make Zimmerman seem racist, then MSNBC flashes a picture of Martin's body with the caption "get angry". They were biased from the word go.

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38fd6636(289 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parley............ Im sorry, you seem to me to be more of the problem than the solution... Just because I don't agree with you, Im now worse than a middle eastern terrorist? Whats next: Punishment for going against your views? You see where im going with this???? Most likely not. What happened was indeed tragic. The jury spoke. If justice was not served, the ultimate judge will decide in the end, don't you agree Parlay?? Maybe that guy did skirt justice, Maybe not. We all get ours in the end.

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39ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

Parlay, no response to my post? I`m disappointed. Now I have nothing to amuse myself over morning coffee. :)

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40walter_sobchak(2728 comments)posted 3 years ago

It would be instructive if people were to listen to Z's call to the non-emergency police line, since he never called 911. His initial statements were that there was a suspicious character walking around the buildings and could they send a police car to investigate. The dispatcher then started asking probitive questions: what was his race, age, which way is he headed, etc. So, the dispatcher put Z into the wanna-be cop (hero) mode and he was going to demonstrate his ability. When Z lost sight of Martin, he got out of his vehicle and pursued so he could keep providing info to the police. When the dispatcher heard Z panting because he was in quick pursuit, he was told "You don't need to do that" to which Z responded "OK" and the huffing and puffing stopped. At that point, he was returning to his vehicle, still talking to the dispatcher, asking when the police were going to get there and where he should meet them. So, Z did obey the dispatcher, even though he was not obligated to do so, he knew a car was on its way and he wanted to meet the officers. Now, we know from testimony from Rachel Zaentel, that Martin believed he was being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker" but had ample time - remember the four minutes that the atty demonstrated in closing - to make it back to his residence but instead chose to cross paths with Zimmerman. It is highly doubtful that Martin, with his street cred, would have taken on Zimmerman is his gun was pulled. Obviously, the confrontation escalated and it seems logical that Martin threw the first punch since Z had a broken nose and Martin had no other injuries except the shot in the heart. Z was getting whooped, as the eyewitness indicated, Martin was on top and when his head was banged off the concrete, he feared for his life and shot Martin. Simple case of self-defense and it is the reason that you need a CCW permit. A real tragedy that could have been avoided except that someone escalated the verbal confrontation into a physical one and there is no conclusive proof who did it. Therefore, reasonable doubt and a not guilty verdict, but not innocent. And, no civil case will follow since Z is protected under the immunity law in Fla. since a jury found him not guilty of murder or manslaughter and the homicide was justifiable.

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41excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

The villian here is the gun. It is not about black or white. It is all about the small and weak minded having the power to kill at will. Without the gun Zimmerman would not have been bold enough to even get out of his vehicle. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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42excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

We are a nation of law for the protection of the people. Zimmerman was judge, jury and executioner. No one man should have such power. To restore law and order we need to give those who are suspected of a crime their day in court. Zimmerman got his day in court but Trayvon had his life quickly ended. There was no justice for Trayvon. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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43jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

The left continues to push the narrative that America is a racist nation, George Zimmerman was a crazed, racist wannabe cop and Trayvon Martin was an innocent child.

None of that is true.

Trayvon Martin was well on his way to a life of crime, a life that would feature at best, the revolving door of the criminal justice system or possibly even a lifetime stay at a penal facility. Or, at worst, a shortened life, ended by someone else.

Trayvon Martin was a product of American liberal social policies. A single mother raised him. His school was more concerned about appeasing the civil rights hucksters than whether Trayvon Martin was either educated or taught basic responsibilities.

The story of Trayvon Martin’s life is not irrelevant. It is the major cause of what happened that night he encountered George Zimmerman. The left has tried to demonize Zimmerman and has tried to canonize St. Trayvon.

The truth is Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old thug who was the architect of his own demise.

That is the story that should be told. Perhaps if that story and the truth about Trayvon Martin is told, it might prevent the next Trayvon Martin.

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44walter_sobchak(2728 comments)posted 3 years ago

We are indeed a nation of laws. Zimmerman had a lawful permit to carry his weapon. When he was assaulted by Trayvon, the laws of self-defense allowed him to use deadly force to prevent grave harm or death. Why didn't Trayvon not back down? Ever bounce your head off concrete? I have and it is frightening. A tragic situation that was escalated by Trayvon, reasonably forcing Zimmermen to act the way he did.

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45kk80586(229 comments)posted 3 years ago

Either Zim was very stunned with the broken nose or showed a LOT of restraint.... I heard a lot of yelling for help when I should have heard a loud bang.

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46DSquared(1788 comments)posted 3 years ago

Better think again before you punch a short, chubby Latino in the face.....He just might be packin'!!

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47excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

If you can't take a beating then don't pick a fight. Kill someone during a fight with a gun or a knife and you deserve to get charged. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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48excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

Deconstruct all you want! If Zimmerman didn't have a gun Trayvon would still be alive. Guns are not racial they kill whoever is in the path of the bullet. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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49jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, he would be dead. Zimmerman probably never had a fight in his life. Martin was a thug who had many fights in his lifetime.

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50DSquared(1788 comments)posted 3 years ago

Don't go around punching people in the face because you think you're some kind of "Bad-A$$" from a moronic rap video, and you won't get shot. Pretty simple!

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51ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

I need clarification so I am asking for a clear, logical explanation. Feel free to respond if anyone can.

Innocent until proven guilty. That is how the law works, correct? As I understand it the situation played out as such. Zimmerman calls in a suspicious person in the area. He receives advice not to continue pursuit but does anyway. To this point we know no law had been broken. There was no indication or proof at this time that Trayvon was being racially profiled since Zimmerman did not use any racial slurs.
Now, we go to a conversation that Trayvon was having on his cell phone at or about the same time. As the witness said on the stand under oath, Trayvon said he was being followed by a creepy-*** cracker. (A racial slur).

Moving forward, no one but Zimmerman truly knows who was the aggressor. No one witnessed who really threw the first punch but there were witnesses saying Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him. So, these are the facts as I understand them.

My questions are, by the facts of the case how is this a case of injustice? How can people say this is a travesty? A tragedy, yes. Are people really looking for justice? Or is it vengeance they want?

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52excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

Would a white boy have caught Zimmerman's attention? LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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53jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

excel, why don't you write a letter to the Chicago Tribune & tell them to get all of the guns off the street.

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54ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

I should have made it clear, anyone with a clear, logical explanation that pertains to the facts.

Please, no "what if`s". That is just a waste of time.

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55excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

Supporting Zimmerman is counterproductive and a total waste of time. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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56jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

My name was Antonio West. I was the 13-month old child who was shot in the face at point blank range by two black teens, who were attempting to rob my mother, who was also shot.

I think my murder and my mommy's wounding made the news for maybe a day, and then disappeared.

A Grand Jury of my mommy's peers from Brunswick, Georgia ruled the black teens who murdered me will not face the death penalty... too bad it was me who got the death sentence from my killers instead, because Mommy didn't have the money they demanded.

See, my family made the mistake of being white in a 73% non-white neighborhood, but my murder wasn't ruled a 'hate crime'.

Oh, and President Obama didn't take a single moment to acknowledge my murder. He couldn't have any children who could possibly look like me - so why should he care?

I'm one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation's history, but the media didn't care to cover the story of my being killed in cold blood.

There isn't a white equivalent of Al Sharpton, because if there was he would be branded a 'racist'. So no one's rushing to Brunswick, Georgia to demonstrate and demand 'justice' for me. There's no 'White Panther' party, either, to put a bounty on the lives of the two black teens who murdered me.

I have no voice, I have no representation, and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat innocently in my stroller - I no longer have my life.

Isn't this a great country?

So while you're out seeking 'justice for Trayvon', please remember to seek 'justice' for me. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get tee-shirts with my face on them, and make the world pay attention, just like you did for Trayvon.

I won't hold my breath.

I don't have to anymore.

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57oilguy82(9 comments)posted 3 years ago

The guy jumped Zimmerman and got handled.If the kid would have been white or hispanic people wouldnt be making a big deal.

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58excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

The issue here is the fact that Zimmerman went looking for a fight with a gun to back him up. When he was loosing the fight he then shot Trayvon who was guilty of being black and heading home from the store. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS.

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59ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

I need clarification so I am asking for a clear, logical explanation. Feel free to respond if anyone can.

Innocent until proven guilty. That is how the law works, correct? As I understand it the situation played out as such. Zimmerman calls in a suspicious person in the area. He receives advice not to continue pursuit but does anyway. To this point we know no law had been broken. There was no indication or proof at this time that Trayvon was being racially profiled since Zimmerman did not use any racial slurs.
Now, we go to a conversation that Trayvon was having on his cell phone at or about the same time. As the witness said on the stand under oath, Trayvon said he was being followed by a creepy-*** cracker. (A racial slur).

Moving forward, no one but Zimmerman truly knows who was the aggressor. No one witnessed who really threw the first punch but there were witnesses saying Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him. So, these are the facts as I understand them.

My questions are, by the facts of the case how is this a case of injustice? How can people say this is a travesty? A tragedy, yes. Are people really looking for justice? Or is it vengeance they want?

This is an honest question. I`m just looking for someone to clarify. No "what if`s" or "what someone should have done".

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60excel(1312 comments)posted 3 years ago

You are simply looking for someone to endorse Zimmerman's actions. What is clear is the fact that if Zimmerman wasn't packing a gun he would not have been bold enough to have picked a fight with Trayvon. LET'S GET ALL OF THE GUNS OFF THE STREETS!

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61ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 3 years ago

No, what I am looking for is an understanding of the situation. Am I missing any facts? If not, what is the logical thought process when the facts are presented?

Saying, "if Zimmerman did not have a gun," doesn`t explain anything. Nor does it pertain to my original questions.

A court of law does not deal with "what if`s."

I want to understand how when presented with facts how can someone disregard them, form an opinion without any proof, then expect to make a respectable arguement.

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62handymandave(578 comments)posted 3 years ago

The bottom line is Trayvon was trespassing in a guarded community that he had no right being in. It was a locked community to keep people out that had no business being there. Doesn't matter if he was unarmed there was a gun at bthe situation, Zimmerman brought it. If Zimmerman felt that Trayvon might be able to get the weapon away from him and use it against him than sorry Trayvon, you should have thought twice before trespassing. Good lesson for others to learn too. Stay away from property that isn't yours.

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63jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death
By Robert Stacy McCain on 7.15.13 @ 1:05AM

The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martion might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as school disciplinary infractions. Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigation explain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewerly in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012. Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where he was shot in 2012 and where a jury acquitted Zimmerman of murder charges Saturday. Martin was from Miami Gardens, more than 200 miles away, and had come to Sanford to stay with his father’s girlfriend Brandy Green at her home in the townhouse community where Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had been suspended for the second time in six months from Krop High School in Miami-Dade County, where both his father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, lived.

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64jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

Word has just come out that Trayvon was taking Mixed Martial Arts classes.

The FBI proved that racisim was not involved.

Zimmerman beat Trayvon like a rented mule, in a court of law, & will do so in the future.

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65jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago


talk about racial profiling. Others targets black men.

All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.

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About 500 other demonstrators during a rally and march in support of Trayvon Martin in Birmingham, Ala., on July 15.
The jury's only job in the Zimmerman trial was to determine whether the defendant broke the law when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community near Orlando, Fla. In cases of self-defense, it doesn't matter who initiated the confrontation; whether Mr. Zimmerman singled out Martin because he was a black youngster in a neighborhood where there had been a series of burglaries by black youngsters; or whether Mr. Zimmerman disregarded what the police dispatcher told him before he got out of his car. Nor does it matter that Martin was unarmed and minding his own business when Mr. Zimmerman approached.

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66jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

Repubs were correct. Z was found not guilty. Demo-c-RATS were wrong.

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67AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 3 years ago

Where is Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson?

They have found 3 African American women killed in Cleveland.

WHY? WHY? Why are they not in Cleveland trying to find their killer and protecting the rights of these 3 women?

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68oneton(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

George Zimmerman is a registered democrat and voted for Obama.
Just because someone feels the verdict is correct or voted for Romney does not make them a racist. In fact people who label them as such are actually racist.
Racism is an issue that needs addressed in the US, but calling everybody “racist” who sees things thinks differently than you does not help.
By the way I voted for Obama the first election and not the second because after four plus years I am very dissatisfied with his fiscal policy and reckless spending, not because of what color he is.

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69jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 3 years ago

Obama was heard to say "if I had a city, it would look like Detroit."

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70kurtw(1829 comments)posted 3 years ago

Well, I see they deleted all my comments. Too bad, because mine were undoubtedly the best, but, I understand the reason- I let myself get carried away with a personal attack against someone I disagreed with and I shouldn't have done that. I reread his posts more carefully and I realize I went over the top in what I said- and my apologies for that. I sometimes get carried away...

Teaches me a lesson- stick to the issues and avoid personal attacks (unless the person you're attacking is someone like Davey Betras or Anthony Weiner- fair game both!)

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71dmacker(546 comments)posted 3 years ago

Interesting information not heard by the jury in the Zimmerman trial.

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72cambridge(4163 comments)posted 2 years, 12 months ago

Interesting information not heard by the jury in the zimmerman trial.


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73southsidedave(5199 comments)posted 2 years, 12 months ago

If this had been a black on black or a white on white crime, we would have never known the names of Zimmerman or Martin. The media loves to inflate crimes and make them all racially motivated.

We were not there and have no idea what transpired, enough already.

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74jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 2 years, 12 months ago

Detroit is bankrupt. Water has been turned of in parts of NY & DC. People are being killed by the 1000"s. Unemployment is rampant.The Natl debt is 17B. But Obama says "let's talk about Trayvon."

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75jojuggie(1728 comments)posted 2 years, 12 months ago

The usual liberal race hucksters have been saying for at least a year that, if Trayvon Martin had been white, and Zimmerman had been black, then Zimmerman would have been convicted instantly. Heck, the liberals have implied that Zimmerman would have been lynched had he been black!

Well, as usual, the liberals just can never get their facts straight.

So, Meet Roderick Scott.

Mr. Scott is a black man from the small town of Greece N.Y. which is outside of Rochester.

In the early morning hours of April 4th 2009, Mr. Scott thought he saw 3 teenagers breaking into his neighbors’ cars.

Mr. Scott grabbed a handgun, for which he had a legal permit, and then went to the end of his driveway and ordered the teenagers to remain where they were and to wait for the police.

At this point 17 year old Christopher Cervini allegedly advanced towards Scott and displayed anger. There is some dispute as to what was said. Scott says Cervini threatened him. Cervini’s friends say that he said “Please don’t shoot me I’m just a kid”. At no time did Cervini and Scott come close enough to engage in physical contact. Unlike Trayvon Martin, Cervini did not sucker Punch Scott. He did not break Scott’s nose. Cervini did not get on top of Scott and pound his head into cement.

Scott shot at Cervini with 2 bullets finding their mark. 17 year old Chris Cervini died and Roderick Scott was charged with manslaughter.

7 months later a jury found Roderick Scott not guilty.

It’s funny. The race hucksters have nothing to say about this case. When a white teenager is killed Eric Holder doesn’t threaten Civil Rights Violations and Investigations.
This entry was posted in Stuff by Tennessee Walker. Bookmark the permalink. 35 thoughts on “Roderick Scott the black George Zimmerman” Will Rogers on July 17, 2013 at 22:00 said:
TW welcome back glad to see you contributing here again. Great article of course the race hucksters won’t say a word because this incident doesn’t fit their agenda.

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