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The truth behind gun violence

Published: Tue, January 22, 2013 @ 12:00 a.m.

The truth behind gun violence

Remember the movie “A Few Good Men” with Jack Nicholson saying to Tom Cruise: “The truth, you want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!” That is what I say to President Obama, he can’t handle the truth.

Aren’t we all just a little bit tired of listening to the rhetoric, and the smoke and mirrors he promotes concerning gun violence in America? He should leave law abiding gun owners alone, and tackle the real reasons we have gun violence every day in our moral decaying American society.

Every Law abiding citizen feels horrible about the recent tragedy that took the lives of so many innocents, but for the president to take to the soap box and be disingenuous about Band-Aid attempts to solve violence in America, is insulting, to say the least. For someone so pre-disposed to issue executive privileges like a doctor handing out scripts, why doesn’t he issue them where the root of the problems are, and stop insulting our intelligence?

Anyone with half a brain knows that the roots of our moral decay promoting gun violence lie in the violent media that produce over the top violent movies, video games, gangsta rap music, and on and on. Turn on your TV, channel surf regular programming and try to find one decent program that doesn’t promote illicit sex and violence.

The president should stop pandering to the Hollywood crowd and TV producers that saturate our society with this filth. How about an executive order to bring back censorship guidelines like we had in the ’50s and ’60s, or is he afraid to take on the left wing ACLU and others of their ilk?

Robert DeFelice, Youngstown


1poland21(106 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Most gun violence in the US is criminal on criminal. It will take decades to get the guns out of circulation. But honestly, I really don't care about two gang members or drug dealers killing each other. What I do care about is innocent victims hurt or killed with guns that were "stolen" from "legal" owners.

So I think that that best gun control plan that involves Personal Responsibility.

What if gun owners were required to lock up their guns in legitimate gun safes AND use trigger locks AND store the ammo in a separate location from the gun?

How about the owner being held responsible if their guns are stolen and used in a crime or accidental shooting and were not properly secured?

Case after case involves guns and ammo from legitimate gun owners being used in school and public shootings. Yet none of these cases seems to involve the shooter blasting open a gun safe and cutting off the trigger lock in order to use the gun. In fact, many times the shooter knows the gun owner.

You want to own a gun? Then you are responsible for it.

You want to keep a handgun under your mattress for protection? Fine, but then you are responsible for what happens to it should it be stolen or someone is accidently injured with it in your home.

You want to conceal carry? Fine, if you are subdued and your gun is used in a crime, you are responsible.

How about a few laws that promote safety and responsibility:

1) Before you can buy a gun, you have to learn how to use that model. Period. If you do not know how to clear the chamber and verify that the weapon is truly safe, you have no business owning it. Gun shops could charge a fee for the 15 minutes of training it would take to do this and it would be a requirement before they could sell that model to you. Buy a different model, get trained in that model.

2) No gun sales outside of a licensed gun shop. No gun shows, internet sales, newspaper ads etc. Period.

3) Local police departments hand out gun locks for existing guns (they are not that expensive and bought in bulk cost even less). Require a gun lock to be purchased with any gun sale.

4) Pass federal legislation making YOUR gun YOUR responsibility.

Oh ya, and if your gun goes off at a gun show or while you are transporting it because you did not know how to ensure that it was not loaded and that the safety was on.... I am pretty sure that you should be banned for life from legally owning a gun. Period.

If basic gun safety and responsibility is enforced (and expected), I am willing to bet many innocent lives will be spared.

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2VINDYAK(1822 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

@Poland -your points sound valid until it becomes time to enforce them. You can't. Our government can't even enforce current laws, let alone new ones. That is why more and more people are arming themselves and they are getting training. Shooting clubs are growing. People are taking responsibility. This is a new wave of social responsibility, but there are still factions of idiots out there that make all of us look bad. Then there are the criminals, who could care less about laws, training or impact on families.

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3DwightK(1376 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

This letter could be taken more seriously if the writer referenced any scientific studies to back up his position. Do movies and video games cause violence? I don't know and neither does this guy.

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4nipsy(157 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Poland, I agree with most of your points but I also think that we should put a tax on all weapon sales and ammo sales to help cover the cost of making our schools safer. The mass shooting thing seems to be an epidemic of sorts and we need to deal with it now. The letter writer seems to think we should take away other rights to protect the rights of gun owners, and I am disturbed by this.

VINDYAK- Being socially responsible means keeping your weapons from being used to harm others. Every gun owner should be expected to do this..It is not happening.

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5rocky14(766 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey Robert

Even the darling of the NRA---Ronald Reagen said in 1994 we should ban the AK15

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676Ytown(1318 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Our children are being brought up in an entirely different culture than the one portrayed on TV of the 1950's. Violence, sex, everything goes. Every new movie, every new TV show, every new song has to push the limits of what will shock or it won't sell. We've desensitized this generation.

Dwightk: Studies do show that violent video games have an affect, in fact they are used for military training. http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0...


We need to look at society as a whole. Guns, mental health issues...the media & games. All of it. And gun control is just a band-aid that we all know will not solve the problem. We're not dealing with sweet, kind, honest, law abiding, upstanding citizens. Laws to ban, or limit, or make illegal won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals or mentally unstable no matter much we'd like to think so.

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7walter_sobchak(2207 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

So if I become a victim of crime whereby my home is burglarized or I am robbed and disarmed, I become a criminal? Unbelievable! I know, let make it a crime if a woman is raped because she didn't wear a chastity belt to properly secure her vagina. Maybe local police departments could pass them out with the gun locks.

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8DwightK(1376 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

76, thanks but that's more of an opinion piece. it doesn't really give hard data about violent media influencing crime.

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9poland21(106 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

@nipsy – I like the idea of a tax on gun and ammo sales for the schools!

@VindyYAK – I agree that existing laws are not even enforced. And in some cases, there are no laws to punish stupidity even when the prosecution tries (think about the father whose lack of gun knowledge about how to empty the chamber recently killed his 7yo son). In a dream world the NRA would encourage gun owners to properly learn how to use and secure their weapons rather than encourage them to buy more.

@76ytown - while I will agree that video games and movies may "desensitize" violence, they are not the cause of gun violence. For data, just look at every other country that has video games and movies and very strict gun laws.

@walter_sobchak - I think that if your gun is "stolen" or “borrowed” from your possession because it was not SECURED and it is used in a crime, you are in part responsible. Hopefully if you have a conceal carry, you can use the gun to defend yourself rather than having it stolen and/or used against you. But I am not sure that a one day CC class gives you that level of skill. So I am willing there are an awful lot of unqualified people carrying guns “legally”.

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10UsuallyBlunt(105 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

As well, there are alot of unqualified people constitutionally posting here without the proper training...

poland21 - most of the points you "brought up" are already utilized after a crime or an accidental discharge!
You have posted alot of "I think..and..I'm not sure" thoughts...why not speak of that which you know? Afterall, noone here is interested in your "thoughts"!

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1176Ytown(1318 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Remember that really scary movie "Jaws".

#6 of the to 10 best horror movies.



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12poland21(106 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

@unusuallyblunt - if you are not interested in "opinions" then maybe you should not be reading the Opinion Columns....

But since you are so much more qualified that I am, what are your opinions on how to reduce gun violence?

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13AnotherAverageCitizen(1176 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

The truth behind gun violece is movies.

The truth behind gun violence is video games.

The truth behind gun violence is copycats watching the NEWS.

The truth behind gun violence has nothing to do with guns.

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14excel(595 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Most gun violence can be eliminated if the people just share what the criminal is after. Together we can make this a kinder and gentler nation.

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15DSquared(1510 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, but society is already lost! The Godless Libs are currently celebrating 40 years of Roe v Wade. 40 MILLION murdered, innocent babies. You wonder why senseless murders occur with such frequency. As ODumbo's pastor said, "America's chickens are coming home to roost".

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16redeye1(5108 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Poland21 My guns are locked up in one place and my ammo is stored in another. What do i do if someone is breaking into my house in the middle of the night. I can't protect my self or family if all my guns are locked up and i can't get to the ammo. That is why I always have one available for just this reason. So I think you thoughts are totally wrong. I thank my military service for showing me how to defend my family and myself.

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17nemo0723(19 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Why is it that every other industrialized country watches the same movies and plays the same video games with different results? Why doesn't it happen in Canada? Why not in Japan, where the games and movies are far more violent?

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18Rockyroad(149 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

NORFOLK, VA—According to numerous reports, local 62-year-old Earl Bailey, who owns a shotgun and several boxes of ammunition, is currently the last bastion of defense between the United States of America and the federal government’s full-scale takeover.
Bailey, a recent retiree and a proud advocate of gun rights, and is, at present, the only person capable of preventing top-secret forces within the government from striking and forcefully coercing hundreds of millions of Americans to submit to a fascist and brutal New World Order.
“It is every American’s right to be good and armed, and that’s a right that should always be protected,” said Bailey, now the sole American protecting the nation from the government’s hidden plot of disarming all citizens, gradually gaining control of the mass media, and installing martial law throughout the nation’s streets. “Our Founding Fathers intended for each and every one of us to protect ourselves from tyranny. That’s what America is all about.”
“What happens when the feds show up at your front door and start telling you how much meat you can eat or how to raise your kids?”
Bailey, who keeps his gun on his person at all times has reportedly struck dread into the very highest-ranking members of the U.S. government. According to sources, top government and military officials are fully aware that they remain unable to commence with their oppressive, systematic subjugation of the American populace as long as the 62-year-old owner of a rifle exists.
“The way I see it, the Second Amendment’s been keeping this nation free and secure for well over 200 years,” Bailey said, valiantly standing in front of his home that is constantly being monitored by CIA agents and elite Special Forces operatives, who are told to maintain a safe distance from the formidable 62-year-old. “First they’ll come for our guns and next…well, shoot, I don’t really plan on ever seeing what the hell happens next.”
While the federal government is more than adequately prepared to begin the first phase of its plan of convoying Second Amendment adherents to newly established FEMA concentration camps, high-level members of the Obama Administration involved in the widespread conspiracy confirmed that they have been forced to resort to alternate methods due solely to Bailey’s heroics.
“As long as there’s someone like Earl out there with a gun and ammunition, we are unable to carry out our attack on America,” said Maxwell Caufield, a covert military leader in charge of the operation to turn the country into an authoritarian, one-party state wherein the basic rights of citizens are stripped away in order to create total government control. “Try as we did to spread our distorted gun control propaganda—claiming that it would protect innocent people across the country from needless deaths—the man just wouldn’t bite.
“You’ve got to hand it to him, really,” Caufield added. “If it weren’t for Earl, you’d be looking at a totally different country.”

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19Rockyroad(149 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL!! You paranoid patriots out there...it ain't video games or violent movies...its the guns in the hands of the unstable...which is everyone who thinks he needs semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines...it's guns in the hands of Dirty Harry Wannabees like the paranoid character above...living on a paranoid knife-edge...tipping off that edge and using those weapons against family members, neighbors, relatives, co-workers or society in general...without the gun, nothing much can happen...don't forget, lunatics out there, that if your fantasy of a government takeover were to occur your weapons would allow you to last about 10 seconds before you became a spot on the wall against the technology and might of the US military...what a bunch of lunatics you are

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20poland21(106 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

FIVE schools have had shootings in the first 22 days of 2013.

Yeah Second Amendment! I am sure this is exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

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21DwightK(1376 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Now that is some funny stuff.

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22Ret(39 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

poland21 Good post, not sure I agree with all of it, but it's obvious that you put some thought into it. I like your first proposal that there could be a small added charge to a gun sales to provide basic operation of the gun. There a people who buy a weapon with no knowledge on how it works. No one wants to look stupid so they don't ask any questions. But if it was a law that the seller would have to give a short tutorial on the operation of the weapon, no one would be put on the spot of looking stupid.

As far as gun locks, one of the benefits of a sue happy culture, a lot of gun manufacturers are now including locks with there handguns. But your right a good gun safe is a better option.

I do support the NRA, and anyone who knows anything about them know that they offer some of the best safety programs available.

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23jeepers(127 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Every human being learns by imitating what they see as a young person. If in a family unit, children try to be like their parents[or adults in their lives] As we get older, we learn at school by listening to teachers, watching movies, using the internet. My only point is that people emulate what they are exposed to. Not everything is absorbed,of course, but much of it is. It would seem obvious that we are bombarded by violence on regular tv programs, movies, video tapes, video games. Continued, long term exposure to these eventually must affect our personality. Started young enough, with the absence of loving, caring, responsible parents, violence will become the norm. Throw in access to a weapon, and many teens lose control and feel it is justified to settle disputes with guns/bullets. That is what is shown on the tube, in movies, on video tapes, video games. Apparently, mant young minds can't distinguish between real appropriate behavior and what is shown to them on screens. For far too many the violence in their young lives is not on a screen but in their daily lives, at "home".

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24Adnil(24 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

First, I would like to say that the President is only pushing to outlaw assault rifles! He doesn't want to take away your right to own a gun. In my mind, I see absolutely no reason for anyone to own an assault rifle! What would be the purpose?
Secondly, children emulate the behavior of their parents. Parents have the duty and obligation to teach their children right from wrong. I have observed horrible behavior on the part of many parents. They treat their own children with such a lack of respect, so I really don't see how you can expect more from their children upon entering adulthood. If you verbally abuse your children you can expect that same behavior from them later in life and if you physically abuse your children they will treat others as they have been treated. I wouldn't blame Hollywood or video games for their behavior. Look in the mirror!

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25excel(595 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

A disarmed civillian population will save lives when we are over run by foreign troops. A defenseless slave is a good slave.

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2676Ytown(1318 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Logical Gun Discussion, Gun Law Facts and a Close Eye On The NRA http://nrano.com/anti-gun-lobby-assau...

Between 39% and 50% of US households have at least one gun (43 - 55 million households). Number of privately owned guns - 190 million to 300 million.

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