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Biden, NRA clash over new gun-control proposals

Published: Thu, January 10, 2013 @ 9:05 p.m.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Despite fresh opposition from the National Rifle Association, the Obama administration is assembling proposals to curb gun violence that would include a ban on sales of assault weapons, limits on high-capacity ammunition magazines and universal background checks for gun buyers.

Sketching out details of the plan today, Vice President Joe Biden said he would give President Barack Obama a set of recommendations by next Tuesday. The NRA, one of the pro-gun groups that met with Biden during the day, rejected the effort to limit ammunition and dug in on its opposition to an assault-weapons ban, which Obama has previously said he will propose to Congress.

"The vice president made it clear, made it explicitly clear, that the president had already made up his mind on those issues," NRA president David Keene said after the meeting. "We made it clear that we disagree with them."

Opposition from the well-funded and politically powerful NRA underscores the challenges that await the White House if it seeks congressional approval for limiting guns and ammunition. Obama can use his executive powers to act alone on some gun measures, but his options on the proposals opposed by the NRA are limited without Congress' cooperation.


1Mark77(7 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

The NRA is a broken record. Every mass killing elicits the same response; the answer is, of course, more guns! I have been a gun owner most of my life. I support the 2nd Amendment. However, when it comes to guns America obviously has a problem - especially with military grade hardware that no civilian has a legitimate reason to own. An AK 47 or AR 15 to hunt, shoot target, or defend the home? Please. Unless Chinese paratroopers are falling from the sky, you don’t “need” an assault rifle. Neither does the 2nd Amendment guarantee you the “right” to own one. You want to play Rambo? You feel your government is coming to get you? Respectfully, join the Foreign Legion or move with the rest of the NRA extremists to Texas, or Somalia. Label me a “liberal.” After December 14 I don’t care anymore.

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2excel(1254 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Lets get real. No scarcity of drugs on the streets with the illegal drug bans. Those who sell and distribute drugs will keep their customers well supplied. The law abiding will have to learn to live with it.

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3Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I agree with the no need for assault weapons but I don't agree with the ban. It would be step one of banning guns. if we would enforce what is on the books and start making people responsible for their actions that maybe a start. You have all the rights in the world if you have mental problems, charged with a crime you have rights, but own a gun? we want your rights. How many criminals and thugs are going to race to turn in their guns if they were to ban them? They think that making a illegally owned gun more illegal is going to help? And who is going to walk up to these people and say I'm here for your guns? I don't see s good ending to that. I also see fearless leader bypassing congress and using his office to ban it. Then we can start banning other things. Chicago has the strictest gun ban in the country and in 2012 there were enough people killed to have a newton every 2 weeks.

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4Sumpintasay(55 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I wish people would learn to read things for themselves instead of listening to FOX news and NRA propaganda. They aren't trying to ban guns. They will ban assault weapons and limit the amount of ammo one can purchase. NO civilian should own weapons designed for military. They should have never been available to the general population to begin with.
If you people are hell bent on havin a real good time and shootin high powered assault rifles then you best find a new hobby. It's not all about you anymore. There are sick sick people in this world with access to high powered military assault weapons and there are innocent babies here too and they need our protection not our selfish desires. You gun nuts expect us all to sacrifice our safety and our childrens safety to feed your need to "CHOOT EM" .. well I will not sacrifice for you anymore. It's gone too far. You're so busy shooting your stupid guns that you forgot to hang out with your kids and now your kids are friggen nuts and have access to your weapons.

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5Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

My kids are grown.

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6walter_sobchak(2672 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

It is interesting that during the riots in south-central LA, I saw video of Korean store owners using AR-15's to keep the mob away from their property. So, maybe, just maybe, if I am a LAW-ABIDING citizen, I should be able to use these weapons to defend myself, my family, and my property from those LAWBREAKERS that want to harm me. The police and law enforcement show up just in time to draw an outline around the dead bodies and zip up the bag.

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7Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Can't have that Walter. The criminals are allowed to have them not us.

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8Mark77(7 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Respectfully, that is it? Banning assault weapons is the first step to losing all 2nd Amendment rights? Did we lose 2nd Amendment right when "banned" before? Shopkeepers need them for rioters? How many riots have we been in lately? Self defense? A shotgun, rifle, or low capacity pistol (like a revolver, Model 1911, or High Power) in trained hands is more than adequate to do the job. Anybody who "needs" 30 rounds on semi-auto to stop an intruder/attacker shouldn't own a gun in the first place. Utlimately, there is no objective defensible logic for civilians to own military grade weapons. We don't live in Somalia. After December 14 enough is enough. I can truly respect the comments of all above except Samlam... your teacher remark pretty much says it all about you.

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9Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

And the government isn't going to force you to buy health insurance or limit your food choices or use cameras to monitor your movement or eavesdrop in the name of national security or have law enforcement be able to say you were speeding and not prove it None of that would happen either.

Oh wait it already did.

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10Sumpintasay(55 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, and the warped children of NRA gun nuts won't get a hold of their parents assault weapons and murder their mother then slaughter a bunch of little children while in their classrooms learning their ABCs either...

Oh.. wait!

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11DwightK(1535 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

We can have guns, make them safer and keep them out of the hands of those who aren't allowed to have them. We just need to stop the rhetoric. Walter's right. We need weapons to defend ourselves when authorities can't help. Riots and natural disasters happen. People live in the boonies. Gun owners don't need high capacity magazines, though, to protect themselves. Not really.

Is there really no common ground in this discussion for common sense?

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12Sumpintasay(55 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't believe in disarming citizens. I believe civilians should not have access to high powered assault rifles meant for military use.
In the boonies, we have shot guns and pistols. They work just fine. We don't need high powered assault rifles and high capacity magazines. No one does.

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13excel(1254 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Didn't the Obama administration ship assault rifles to the drug cartel in Mexico?

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14Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Shhhhh It's not bad if the government does it

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