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Documents: CEO Lupo directed illegal dump of brine


Published: Wed, February 6, 2013 @ 12:01 a.m.

Related story: Public outcry continues over Hard Rock's dumping in Youngstown

By JAMISON COCKLIN | jcocklin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

Documents released by state regulators Tuesday show that Ben W. Lupo, a partner in several companies that share an address at Salt Springs Road, directed employees there to dump up to 20,000 gallons of wastewater down a storm drain.

  Brine Spill Salt Springs Rd.

Two state regulatory agencies are conducting a criminal investigation into how and why up to 20,000 gallons of suspected fracking waste were dumped into a storm drain near the site of the D&L Energy Group headquarters on Salt Springs Road.

Two state regulatory agencies are conducting a criminal investigation into how and why up to 20,000 gallons of suspected fracking waste were dumped into a storm drain near the site of the D&L Energy Group headquarters on Salt Springs Road.

Download as PDF:
OhioEPA Notice of Violation

OhioEPA - Notice of violation: Division of Emergency and Remedial Response.

Download as PDF:
OhioEPA IPIR

OhioEPA - Initial Pollution Incident Report (IPIR)

The revelation comes five days after the incident, which occurred at Hard Rock Excavating’s headquarters, where a large storage tank, capable of holding up to 20,000 gallons of waste — including oil and brine — was being cleaned by an employee of the company.

According to business records filed with the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office, D&L Energy is listed as the owner of the company. Lupo, D&L’s chief executive, is listed on those records as Hard Rock’s only authorized representative.

He also is affiliated with several other companies that share an address at 2761 Salt Springs Road where the dumping incident occurred.

Both the Ohio Department of Natural Resources and the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency received an anonymous tip late Thursday and were on the scene within three hours. They were able to obtain photographic evidence of the dumping taking place, a source inside ODNR told state Sen. Joe Schiavoni of Boardman, D-33rd.

Emergency response teams from the OEPA, U.S. EPA and ODNR managed to collect samples of the dumped substance that are being analyzed. Workers continue to mitigate the effects of the spill, where the drain entered a Mahoning River tributary behind the Toys “R” Us Distribution Center on Geoffrey Trail just off Salt Springs Road and leaked an unknown amount of oil and brine into the river.

However, the regulatory agencies have been reluctant to release further details as they plan to proceed with a criminal investigation, said Chris Abbruzzese, deputy director of communications for the OEPA.

The secrecy of the matter prompted an outcry from some of Youngstown’s elected officials and members of the public who took to social media throughout the day Tuesday demanding more answers.

A public-records request from both The Vindicator and state Rep. Bob Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th, led the OEPA to release a Notice of Violation and a preliminary incident report late Tuesday.

“Brine residue material was intentionally discharged to storm sewer by company employee under direction of Ben Lupo, owner,” the violation, which was signed by Lupo, read. “Release impacted the Mahoning River and a tributary, company failed to report in accordance.”

The OEPA incident report also confirmed that ODNR inspectors witnessed the dumping around 7:30 p.m. and Lupo contacted the agency’s inspectors to accept full responsibility, but when he did so remains unclear.

Abbruzzese said that although the Notice of Violation is not an admission of guilt, it is an acknowledgement of Hard Rock’s role in the incident.

The document states clearly that “by signing below the party acknowledges receipt of the Notice of Violation but does not admit the fact of or liability for the violation described.”

Hagan visited the site Tuesday, expressing his anger at the situation and the potential danger to the water supply, which officials at the Meander Reservoir, Youngstown’s water source, said was completely unaffected as the city does not draw its water from the tributary or the Mahoning River.

“I don’t understand why the governor was briefed, and he’s not telling elected officials about it,” Hagan said. “It’s my district, and we should have been advised immediately. We have no idea what kind of chemicals were lost or what exactly leaked into the ground or water.”

Despite its ownership and Lupo’s affiliation with Hard Rock, D&L continues to deny its involvement.

In an email, company spokesman Vince Bevacqua wrote, “This was an action of Hard Rock Excavating, not D&L Energy — a separate company. I do not work for Hard Rock and cannot comment on that company’s actions at this time.”

Bevacqua refused to make Lupo available for an interview, and attempts to reach him and other officials at the company by phone failed Tuesday.

Schiavoni said he understood regulators’ approach in responding to the incident and getting the facts straight before releasing more details, but made it clear that as the investigation continues, state officials will need to take a hard line if any wrongdoing is proved.

“The bottom line is, as a state we have to hammer these guys to set a precedent that this will not be tolerated in the state of Ohio,” Schiavoni said. “Unfortunately, we’ll have to make an example of whoever is found to be responsible — it will have to be severe.”

A Vindicator investigation in 2012 revealed that D&L has a history of at least 120 violations at 32 injection and extraction wells across Ohio and Pennsylvania stemming from citations levied by environmental regulators for failing to display a permit or contaminating water and soil.

Under Ohio law, any company or individual found responsible for intentionally dumping brine is subject to either a fine of $10,000, six months in prison, or both, for a first offense. Repeat offenders are subject to a fine of $20,000, two years in prison, or both. Nathan Johnson, an attorney for the Ohio Buckeye Forest Council, said an operator that intentionally dumped brine into a storm drain could conceivably face charges from the federal government for violation of the Clean Water Act.

Abbruzzese said that the facts of the criminal investigation would determine whether state or federal agencies have the power to pursue charges.

Last week’s incident comes a little more than a year after an injection well operated by D&L was linked to a series of earthquakes in the area. That well, and four others in a seven-mile radius of it, are under indefinite suspension.

For Hagan, the spill is good reason to force the oil and gas industry to specifically reveal the chemicals they use in the fracking process, which state law currently does not require.

“This is one of the issues I fought on when Senate Bill 315 was being drafted because of this misinformation, this lack of ideas on the chemical content,” he said. “We have to stop letting this industry run roughshod just for the sake of jobs and economic development. First it was earthquakes, and now it’s dumping waste into the Mahoning River. What’s next?”

Vindicator reporter Susan Tebben contributed to this story


Comments

1formerdemliberal(182 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

What's next, Bob?

Maybe the Apocalypse (which would probably attempt to tax), but I can guarantee more future gas emissions from your big mouth. Maybe you should be investigated for emitting political rhetoric waste into the Mahoning Valley atmosphere. And don't forget to pay that new 1% gas emissions tax when you open your mouth.

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2Attis(864 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Causing earthquakes and massively polluting water sources with toxic chemicals are acts of terrorism against our entire community and should be treated as such. Why is D&L still in operation and its CEO still out of jail?

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3lovethiscity(141 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

formerdemliberal....what a completely asinine comment. At least 20,000 gallons of highly toxic fracking waste was INTENTIONALLY dumped into a public waterway, with untold public health consequences, and your going to stick with your narrow minded, right wing wacko ideology and attack Mr. Hagan for raising the concerns all "thinking" people have?

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4DwightK(1238 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

How could this be? The fracking ads on the radio say they employee engineers to protect our water. Could this industry be lying? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

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5gdog4766(1417 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Hey, formerdem. Your a dbag!

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6UNCOMMONSENSE(354 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

This man's actions are exactly why we have government regulation. When left unchecked, money will always win over what is right.

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7excel(279 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

So if this was intentional and the result of washing a tank there are far reaching implications. Getting cited for washing the road salt off your car would be cause for a citation. Could I be cited for urinating in the woods while hunting? How about on the open water while fishing? All industry in town will now be on notice as parking lot drainage and salt usage will be compromised.

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8theguins(164 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Big deal. When Sheet and Tube employed 10,000 workers the amount of dumping D&L put in the river is nothing compared to what went on for over 70 years. The Mahoning River will survive! Hagan just blowing steam! Now that's pollution!!!

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9petemoss90210(10 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Certainly D&L and Hardrock are two different companies, legally on paper, but in reality, there is a thread (Lupo) that connects D&L to Hardrock. There is a reason this is done, and this is a perfect example of why companies do such things! $10,000 is a joke of a fine. 6 months in jail is also a joke - think of it as "Administrative Paid Leave" with business as usual. The fine money is already set aside in a special account, so they know how far they can go before it actually disrupts business-as-usual. Even with Federal charges, which are honestly not likely, Mr. Lupo does not care and things will not change. I can guarantee public response will be the same. This will incite the already angry anti-fracking protesters, but the general public will not care much since Mahoning County residents do not utilize the Mahoning River because they think it's already super polluted to begin with. It would be a totally different story if the river was highly used for recreation - swimming, boating, fishing, etc. But the average resident of Mahoning County has no concept of the Mahoning River, other than they just believe it is polluted and unfit for human use. There is the broader ecological concept of the watershed, that impacts our ground water and surrounding area, but again, the majority of people in Mahoning County only have one perception of the river - that is is of no value to them. If it was our drinking water source, it would be a completely different story! So, you all are thinking, why would this company blatantly break the law and knowingly pollute the river with toxic brine? Because they know the majority of Mahoning County residents would never know the difference because we have no connection to our river. Shame on the company, and shame on myself and the other residents of Mahoning County!

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10glbtactivist(245 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Here we go again. Another round of a cheap businessman dumping poisons into the Mahoning River. Which flows to the Ohio and Mississippi. Which are a drinking water supply for millions of people and countless wildlife. It's time we start sending these men to jail for life. Fines don't stop the cheap creaps.

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11sbilek(1 comment)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Well, former Demliberal is right about one thing, the Greek meaning of Apocalypse is: "disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception." So I'd say that fits right in. One thing I picked out of this article was the ODNR inspectors "witnessed the dumping around 7:30 pm." Now, that's puzzling. Why wouldn't the inspectors stop them in the process? Or maybe they did, maybe Hard Rock Excavating intended to dump more than this 20,000 gallons. But I'd say to former Dem liberal, why don't you go on down to the tributary where this dumping occurred, draw out some water and take a good old swig? Looks like there's a few others that oughta put their actions where there mouth is, too. Well, no matter, one thing for sure, I find some comfort in this, all of us that are concerned about the water and the air and the planet, and for good reason, but if humanity doesn't wise up soon, we'll all go down with the ship together.

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12petemoss90210(10 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

To all of you posting that each individuals actions are worse than one company's actions, think about this. Peeing in the woods or washing the salt off your car at home does have a small impact on the environment. We have learned over years that by improving our physical environment and disposing of our wastes properly, that we can prevent many diseases (bubonic plague) by collectively disposing of and treating our wastes in a sanitary manner. So although us outdoors people pee in the woods, it is small potatoes compared to if the entire population of the country urinated and defecated in their yards in their communities. If you think it is OK for industry to break laws and dump high volumes of potentially toxic materials into waterways or in the ground, "since people drive cars and pee in the woods," then I assume you don't believe industry should be regulated because the same regulators cannot fine individual households for minor infractions. I understand the fallible logic - but individuals collectively contribute less waste than all of the industries generating waste per day. It is understood we all have an impact, and we can control that, but the citizen cannot control the industry without regulatory oversight, and it is not right what this company was witnessed doing.

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13cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

uticashill claims there is no pollution, it's only a movie.

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14GeorgeinYoungstown(76 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

There is a glaring inconsistency on the reporting of this incident between the Vindicator and the Akron Beacon Journal (keeping in mind the Journal scooped the Vindicator, which has yet to be explained):

Vindicator:

"...where a large storage tank, capable of holding up to 20,000 gallons of waste — including oil and brine — was being cleaned by an employee of the company."

ABJournal:

"The state inspectors witnessed drilling muds, brine and oil from a tanker truck going into a storm sewer that drained to a tributary and into the Mahoning River, the state report says."

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/drilling/oh...

So did the spill originate from cleaning the tank, or from a tanker truck, or both?

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15uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

If true and Mr. Lupo was doing this, then we should waterboard him with his brine water. Make him drink it.

Cold day in hell @cambridge :) We are on the same page on this one.

Folks are happy to get the money and the economic benefits from shale. No one wants to deal with the destruction, the environment issues, earthquakes, destroyed roads, overweight vehicles, dumping polluted water somewhere, etc.

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16JJ(28 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Due to the proximity of the dumping and the unnamed tributary, is Meander Reservoir in jeopardy of being contaminated?

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17DwightK(1238 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

I think the company should be forced to tell us what was in the brine so Meander Reservoir and the Mahoning River can be properly tested. I don't want to drink anything that can give me a permanent orange afro and peel the paint off my house.

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18Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Maybe we should also be looking south to Columbiana to a business there that also has ties to this .
Dumping is a big part of their business

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19Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Perfectly safe industry ? The environmentally minded folks were just paranoid and out to lunch huh? Our economy would sky rocket?

And now we get comments stating the Mahoning River isn't important and who cares about the effects on all the folks who depend on it for drinking and the wildlife and the other water sheds effected?I guess they feel the people that live here are as important as the river that has been polluted by them. What else could explain such nonchalant comments and suggesting that people of Mahoning County won't care anyway. Wow pollute the river and then insult the people that live here . As if you deserve to have your river polluted .

Is this remorse just telling you how to feel and already suggesting how those responsible will get slapped on the wrist before hand?

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20bunkpatrol(64 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Dishonesty is a by-product of the fracking industry.

More to come, just you stand idle and watch what "trickles down" . You want jobs don't you ?

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21maxborenstein(27 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

If everything was looked into thoroughly, it would be found that organized crime and capitalist gangsters are involved. Most large corporations at least try to do things right, as they are risk-averse and are trying to avoid liability that impacts profit. The corporate people pay a fortune to haul the worthless materials around. The state gets a fee (tax) from 1509.22(H). The locally-owned industrialist or service provider knows in his shrewdness how to extract a fast extra profit. No Risk=No Profit. Most locally-owned or managed industrial firms I've worked for have illegally dumped their waste or mixed it in with other waste instead of paying to dispose of it properly. (And nobody had ever seen any asbestos). So to prevent all of this from continuing, the state needs to raise the penalties, fines, and forfeitures to a level that would crush anything but the largest corporation.

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22bunkpatrol(64 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Cheaper to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Look how Exxon's culpability has dropped in Alaska, or Chevron's in Bopal. Staffs of corporate attorneys remain while public interest and pressure has waned. What's left is a wasteland. What's gained are short term profits that are quickly exported out of town.

First the crumbs for us. Next the poison.

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23RobX(59 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

1. Meander Reservoir is upstream from the site of this dumping. Meander stayed clean during the steel mill era. This dumping won't affect it.

2. Yes, Lupo should be jailed. Others in the fracking industry should publicly demand that, and they should never use any of his companies again. They need to help crack down on anyone associated with their industry who doesn't follow the law. Hell, they should donate money to help with his prosecution.

3. We don't know exactly what happened, and we should know. Was it several tanker trucks worth dumped in a huge gusher, or was it the scrapings being scrubbed from the bottom of one large tank? Why do we not know that by now?

4. We can't condone this incident. But we shouldn't overreact. This is not as bad as the huge tanker truck fuel spills we saw recently, one on 680 and one outside Ravenna. When those dumps happened, Hagan never called for outlawing tanker trucks. Whether gasoline or diesel fuel or brine, you won't detect it was there by summertime.

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24bunkpatrol(64 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

One was an accident. One was company /industry policy. The driver of the tanker was cited and may have trouble finding work in the same field. The owner of the company will be saluted cuz he got 'er done despite the state shutting down the injection well. Buckle up y-town, it's only just begun.

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25AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

I said it before and will say it again.

There will be more jobs created to clean up the mess created by fracking and brine waste. We are still trying to clean up the mahoning river from the steel mills. Yes, there were a lot of jobs and the steel mills kept this city alive for many years. However, if there were more control when the steel mills were in full force, then we would not still be cleaning up now.

I am not agaist fracking and ridding waste from fracking. I just want it done in a safe and responsible manor.

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26cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

In the end, d&l a company with at least 120 violations will be a company with at least 121 violations. Case closed.

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27Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

@ Another " I just want it done in a safe and responsible manor." - -I understand your point but the evidence suggests otherwise. They want to drill in Youngstown proper and in Mill Creek Park?

It would seem as if they are counting on the populace and their representatives being extremely stupid. From some but not all of the past comments that weren't just industry shills....

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28Madchemist(5 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

I agree that this is a serious matter and someone should be held responsible but is it REALLY necessary to see Bob Hagan's mug on the television acting like he cares about anything other than getting is face on TV?

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29Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

@ Rob"Whether gasoline or diesel fuel or brine, you won't detect it was there by summertime." - - -Industry credibility is at such a level that folks just don't believe you guys anymore.

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30Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

At the pump? This is natural gas not gasoline. Nice try to get off topic . How about the crazy low fines for f ing up the river and the people who will be drinking from the results of this down stream? Fracking shills.

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31MrYikes(14 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

formerdemliberal - why don't you shut up and drink so brine water.

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32MrYikes(14 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

*some

If an individual was caught dumping caustic chemicals into the Mahoning river they would probably be charged as a domestic terrorist or somethings, but when a company does, they just face a small fine.

Lupo should face separate counts for each individual endangered by this reckless act. I think Youngstown's population stands at 66,000 or so.

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33RobX(59 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

@bigben: I'm not in the industry. I'm an environmentalist taxpayer. I think this spill was a bad thing, and Lupo should be heavily penalized.

But do you _really_ think someone will be able to detect the results of this spill by July? Ask Dr. Schroeder for an honest answer.

And about drilling in Mill Creek Park: Companies already own mineral rights in MCP. They've already slant drilled in from wellheads just outside its borders with no problems. Drilling horizontal is the same, except the Park will get much more badly needed money when the bore hole turns horizontal a mile underground. Why not do this? Do you _really_ think their levy will be renewed?

MCP could try to say no, I guess. They could battle to get their mineral rights back. If they win, the drilling will still happen on the farm next door. The bore may turn south instead of north. But the tiny risk of spills is no different. The Park like the City would have the same risk but no profit. And your taxes go up further. Or the Park falls apart from lack of money.

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34cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

robx....if you were a true environmentalist you would be making a case for solar, wind and other clean renewable source's of energy instead of doing it for big gas and oil.

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35Ytownnative(1015 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Its probably cheaper to keep dumping it and pay the fines then to pay to get rid of it legally. I bet this isn't the first time and I know its not the last.

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3676Ytown(1214 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Mill Creek Park is a treasure comparable to our nation's greatest parks.

The Great Depression came to Youngstown and brought a period of labor unrest. The worst moment of this was the "Homestead Strike", marked by extreme bitterness and bloodshed. In the midst of all the hunger, loss, and despair, one civic-minded man "conceived the idea of relieving the idleness and at the same time conferring upon the needy city a benefit of lasting magnitude." His name was Volney Rogers.

He had seen the need for a park to provide fresh air and recreation. Just across the river to the southwest of the city - and in the opposite direction from the smoke and fumes - was the Mill Creek Valley, long known as a beauty spot in the Western Reserve. It was in danger of being engulfed by the 'spreading tentacles of steel.' He pushed for the necessary legislation and bonds to purchase it. By the time it opened in 1893, Mill Creek Park had become the first park district in Ohio, even pre-dating the state park system.

During the Great Depression in the 1930s, hundreds of men were given work clearing brush and building roads and paths. From this difficult and bitter time came a beauty that rescued this city from industrial ugliness. In gratitude for his efforts, the citizens of Youngstown erected a bronze statue of Volney Rogers at the park entrance. http://www.ysu.edu/mahoning_river/you...

What a shame it would be to sacrifice our last bit of beauty in Youngstown for 30 or 40 years (at most) of fracking in exchange for an eternity of pollution,

Will Youngstown become the next Love Canal? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal

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37commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

bigben, do you know the difference between drilling for oil and injection well drilling ---it doesn't sound like it. do some research and thencomment on factual informatiom.

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38Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

"But do you _really_ think someone will be able to detect the results of this spill by July?" I suppose it is unrealistic to expect chemicals to be present in the water or sediment at the dump site or down stream throughout connected water sheds.I guess any chemicals that exist when testing is conducted will simply be found to be preexisting as a consequence of nature . How does one measure that which according to the industry's clean water act doesn't exist?Maybe they can blame it on the Steel Mills that closed 34 years ago.But then that would refute the argument that pollution doesn't hang around very long. Honesty ?

"And about drilling in Mill Creek Park: Companies already own mineral rights in MCP. They've already slant drilled in from wellheads just outside its borders with no problems. Drilling horizontal is the same, except the Park will get much more badly needed money when the bore hole turns horizontal a mile underground." - -No horizontal drilling is not the same .

Why not do this? - - -Because we value our park and because it belongs to the people and not the industry. Do you _really_ think their levy will be renewed?" - - -Why wouldn't it be ?

"MCP could try to say no, I guess. They could battle to get their mineral rights back. If they win, the drilling will still happen on the farm next door. The bore may turn south instead of north. But the tiny risk of spills is no different. The Park like the City would have the same risk but no profit. - -Any profit is not worth the risk to the park nor the City.People dominated by greed would never ever be capable of comprehending that. Its not a slam its just the way it is like a person who suffers from gold fever they are not able to see how their greed effects those around them -they only see profits.

As for the mineral rights throughout the park I don't know that they have all been sold. Then there is the question of whether or not horizontal fracking was intended through explicit writing when the leases you mention were sold.

" And your taxes go up further. Or the Park falls apart from lack of money." - -These are fear tactics the park will not fall apart it has been a park for along time without horizontal fracking and will continue to be a park without it.It was created by Volney Rogers for natural observation not to be a honey hole for the industry.I mean really don't you think there is enough of that already?

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39Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

@commoncitizen - -Yes common I know the difference.The fracking produces fracking waste which requires disposal. There are hazards and risk associated with both the fracking process and with disposal both legal and as is alleged in this case illegal. There is no fracking waste without the fracking process and I'm certain you see the connection and it has been well documented in many other previous posts. But thanks for contributing.

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40Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Look for The Stony (sand) connection to get to rat in the barn.

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41UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

After all this whining from non producers we find out it may be less than a car wash would drain down the sewer.
Hell! Cambridge discharges more when he takes his weekly water saving shower.
All this wasted energy spent by the likes of Bigben, Cambidge, and the rest of you energy sucking waste. Look in the mirror in your energy sucking homes or cars and see who is the cause of fracking......welcome to the matrix, it is becasue you suck that we frack.

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4276Ytown(1214 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Hey UticaShale (Utica/Collingwood shale) is mentioned in the following article from a Michigan water well driller’s perspective on fracking .

http://www.votejimnash.com/2012/09/a-...

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43cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

uticashill....I live on Alameda Island which is seven miles west of San Francisco. Population around 75,000. The city has it's own municipal power company. More than 80% of the electricity for the entire island is clean and renewable, land fill gas, geothermal, wind, solar and hydroelectric. The city just started a program for customers that volunteer for an additional charge can be 100% clean and renewable. I'll be looking into it.

I invest in clean technology. About a year ago $10,000 in Tesla Electric Cars built 25 miles south of where i live. I bought it at $28 and it closed today at $39. My current car is only a few years old, expensive and like the day it rolled off the line. I'm not going to get rid of it just to get rid of it but my next car will be electric.

It's no wounder we're not on the same page since I live around 15 years in future where we actually don't always have to burn something to generate energy.

So you just keep blowing off the contamination, evading answering why fracking is exempt from clean water and air regulations, ruining real estate values and any hope of high tech or any other industry investing in the area and all along talking down to the locals like their a bunch of idiots for just not bending over and shutting up.

Most people know when they should act like a guest when they're screwing you over so I will give you credit for one thing, as far as being a scumbag, you definitely own it, you love rubbing their nose in it. I'm going to tell you what that's accomplished, people that post on this board that hate me....hate you more.

http://www.alamedamp.com/index.php

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44UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

At last we can see the mental state and fantasy land that Cambridge exist or hides in. Alameda, I know that Oakland bedroom community well, it is where the liberals hide after they sing "kumbaya" in the ghetto's. Most of the employment in that suburb is entitled government. Cambridge as the rest is brainwashed to believe that electric comes from other than combustion energy, dunce! Here's a surprise: Alameda dumps all their trash in north calif. landfills then burns the stinky methane for energy and as long as it is not in their backyard, it is green! Cambridge isn't even man enough to identify natural gas from fracking as another part of their burning of gas to make energy, liar!

My brotha Cambidge, I know you live in a diverse community half white and half Asian, so one can say there is no prejudice, it's okay bro. Remember, it is because you suck that we frack.

And Tesla, bankrupt in another 24 months, just like all the other liberal greeny businesses that have no science behind them.

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45kurtw(846 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

If California is so great why is the state nearly bankrupt and why are they losing small companies to neighboring Texas were small companies are actually made to feel welcome- instead of being treated like criminals.

Also, "electric cars" what is that all about? The power has to be generated somehow. In your area how is electricity generated? I'd like to know. Windpower? Entirely solar? How? Please inform us because as a Californian, I'm sure you have all the answers.

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46kurtw(846 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Also, how's your fresh water situation in the "Sunshine State"? That's another interesting point. Here in the Midwest we live in close proximity to the Great Lakes, one of Earth's greatest sources of fresh water.

The only large water-supply I see close-by to where you are is the Pacific Ocean- salt-water, undrinkable.

I get sick to death of Californians giving themselves airs of superiority when there is no earthly reason for them to do so. Without the heartland, i.e. the Midwest- there wouldn't be anything at all out there, just some pretty scenery. Even Hollywood was started by New Yorkers (and the Warners Brothers were raised in Youngstown).

California is like a big, shiny fruit- but without the trunk and the roots that fruit wouldn't be there.

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47cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Kurt....I provided a link in my post, click on it, there will be a little reading involved but it will tell you where all that energy comes from. Don't hurt yourself.

uticashill....look where you are and look where I am.:-)

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48UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

So Cambridge in his ultimate wisdom is now saying he lives in paradise and we here in Ohio live in an inferior area.

When a liberal cannot debate they are trained to call names and insults.

Yeah, Calif! what did I read 100,000 leave everyday for Texas. Even the illegal Mexicans are returning home.

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49cambridge(2974 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

uticashill....I don't think Ohio is inferior in any way, i think you are. I enjoyed growing up in the valley, I have family and friends that live there and i enjoy every minute of every visit.

I don't have a problem with drilling for gas and oil. I do have a problem with chemicals that are added to the process designed to protect the pipe at the expense of the environment. I also have a problem with clowns like you who lie about every thing they say.

You claim to be an expert but refuse to answer why your industry is exempt from clean water and air regulations and act like its a joke when you contaminate what ever fresh water you're not helping yourself to for the bottom line.

The California budget for 2013/2014 has a 851 million dollar surplus and is the 8th largest economy in the world. Home sales for houses selling for one million or more are up 29 percent.

When I say look where you are and where I'm at I'm not referring to geography, I'm referring to evolution.

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50uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

D&L's license/permits supposedly just got revoked.

Bob Hagan is demanding Lupo's physical arrest.

For once I fully agree with Bob Hagan. Another cold day in hell.

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51Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Law abiding citizens who use fuels are responsible for the criminal activities of poisoning water sheds ? Did you get that folks? Its your fault.Second, horizontal fracking and all its goodies is the only method by which fuels can be extracted from the earth.

Even staunch supporters are outraged by these horrific deeds while the mouth pieces continue to spout off topic nonsense and attempt to minimize the crimes.Should we expect a different response? I told you so.And they want to frack the park and the city?

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52uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

If the industry doesn't speak out against Lupo's actions they are going to be driven out with pitchforks by pi%%ed people.

The industry needs to police it's own bad actors and stop acting like corrupt unions with protectionism.

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53Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

"The industry needs to police it's own bad actors.... " - -I hear you uselesseater but asking for the industry to be on its honor system isn't going to get it done.

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54rubicon(3 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

I worked at D and L for 10 yrs--this does not surprise me------they were always about money and not saftey or regulations

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55uselesseater(229 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Lupo... Hmmm isn't that an old mob family.

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56impdude(19 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

You would think an accidental spill would be our safety cry. But to have willing participants this tragedy is reprehensible. The fines must be made to fit the crime. Bonding must be in muliples of millions . Due to the nature of this crime minimum sentencing in regular prision must be new standard!

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57INTEL(61 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

This is Mahoning County.. have no fear.. they will pay off a few officials like always...and sweep it under the carpet.... do you really think anyone will be head responsible... now come on.... ready your past history about this place....LOL

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58INTEL(61 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

This is Mahoning County.. have no fear.. they will pay off a few officials like always...and sweep it under the carpet.... do you really think anyone will be held responsible... now come on.... read your past history about this place....LOL

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59Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

@Intel - - -Yeah we expect it. That was the past!

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60Hlecter(59 comments)posted 1 year, 5 months ago

Confiscate that brine and store it till next winter. Why is it ok to put brine on our roads? Don't you tree huggers worry that it will leach into the groundwater?

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