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Politicians, pundits must not meddle in military planning



Published: Sun, December 8, 2013 @ 12:00 a.m.

Politicians, pundits must not meddle in military planning

I ran across a recent column by Cal Thomas in which he provides his usual droll drivel to muddy the waters on a subject. I noticed he was quick to absolve Dick Cheney for his use of “alternative interrogation” (waterboarding) regardless of where the individual who was involved was born. The same subject matter has been discussed regarding the use of drones.

Drones have become the “spy” of choice in our fervor to track terrorists or those who are responsible for tragedies against Americans as in Benghazi. Even Anwar Al Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico yet perpetrated offenses against America, was killed in a drone attack.

If any American commits any act against this country then he has forfeited his rights and should be treated as a traitor. The advice given in the movie “A Fistful of Dynamite” is, therefore, applicable to such terrorists: Duck, you sucker.

These individuals should be treated no differently than Nazi sympathizers in World War II. Heck, we had the same problem during the American Revolution with one Benedict Arnold, didn’t we?

What’s strange is that some pundits like Cal forgive the trespassers and condemn ideological nonbelievers for doing the same thing.

Does the NSA Listening Labyrinth (Dubya vs. Obama) ring a bell? Too many of our legislators and pundits forget the observation of Spaniard George Santayana: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

President Eisenhower did it after the French were slaughtered at Dien Bien Phu in the first Indochina War. JFK’s secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, just had to micro-manage the war instead of allowing Adm. Zumwalt and the Army generals to manage the action in Vietnam; Dubya and his allies just had to micromanage the illegal war in iraq.

The only president in history who did it right was daddy Bush who turned Operation Desert Storm over to his generals and then hid out in the White House with his mouth shut. Bravo.

It is a very sorry state as foreign policy and military “experts” provide comments to pundits to directly influence them in the distribution of news that is so vital to the interests of America and is generally based on old information.

It would be an honor to tell Cal Thomas this: Good luck on your retirement.

John Zordich, Youngstown

Canfield council’s record on charter changes: 0 hits, 4 errors

In the 2012 election, there were two charter amendments on the ballot placing term limits on Canfield City Council and the mayor. Council opposed both. Both passed.

In the 2013 election, there were two additional charter amendments on the ballot. One placed term limits on Canfield boards and commissions. The other permitted residents to comment on issues on the floor before a final vote on issues before any board or commission. Council opposed both. Both passed.

Since I worked to get these on the ballots I will confess to having mixed emotions. I am pleased that they passed. But, I ask, why did these have to be done this way? Is council really in touch with the realities of today? We have term limits for the president, the governor of Ohio and for state senators. Why wouldn’t council support term limits? Term limits are not new.

In regard to this year’s first charter amendment placing term limits on our boards and commissions, I would like to point out that these are “appointed” positions. They are not elected. The appointment process is fraught with opportunity for favoritism and reappointing incumbents. Of the 22 people on all the boards and commissions, eight have over 10 years, three over 20 years and 13 have more than one term. Term limits are appropriate. At the end of 2013, there will be six openings on the boards. Hopefully, there will be a good-faith effort to find candidates. In the past, the openings were not well publicized.

The second charter amendment on this year’s ballot had to do with residents being able to comment on an issue on the floor before a final vote in board meetings. Yes, comments are allowed at the beginning of a meeting or if you are on the agenda. But, as the meeting progresses, a resident may have a question or be able to add additional information. This is not allowed. Those who voted “no” apparently are willing to give up their right to voice their opinion.

I would like to point out that there was a third charter amendment submitted this year that was not allowed. Over 600 people signed the petition. This amendment, applied to city council, contained language permitting residents to speak before a final vote is taken. This is the same language that passed for boards and commissions. Some trumped-up reasoning was cited that it interfered with council rules. Proposed amendments are there to change the rules. The bottom line is that council is not interested in having residents participate in the decision- making process once an issue is on the floor. That has been their exclusive territory. What are they afraid of? The amendment contained protection against filibustering.

Council’s record on charter amendments over the last two years is no hits, four errors. Residents should be able to contribute to the decision-making process without the restriction of having to sign up before the meeting begins.

Frank A. Micchia, Canfield

Democrats’ worship of Obama resembles jihadist terrorist attack

There is no god but gov- ernment, and Obama is its prophet. That is the mantra of the Democratic Party, and you better learn it if you wish to keep your head.

The extremists in the Democratic Party have learned much from the Islamic terrorist movement, and, like their brethren, they demand that everyone convert to the religion of liberalism or be summarily destroyed.

The terroristic tendencies of the Democrat Party were never more evident than when it declared jihad on America and plowed Obamacare into the twin towers of liberty and freedom.

As the nation teetered and began to crumble, Democrats could be heard shrieking at the top of their lungs, “Government is great!” Lured on by the promise of 72 interns, they continue their suicide mission on every front.

Like Islamic jihadists, they do not tolerate criticism of their religion or the mocking of the Prophet Obama, and they have threatened annihilation on anyone who does.

The media, fully aware of the danger, have elected not to offer even the slightest criticism of government for fear of what will befall them.

Fortunately, there are some brave conservatives — Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee to name two — who are not afraid to meet the Obamacare jihad head-on. They courageously expose government for the false god that it is, and they encourage others to do the same. But their actions are not without consequence. They have been assaulted mercilessly for what they have done by the extremists in the Democratic Party and their sleeper cells in the Republican Party.

Now the question is: What will you do? Will you fight the jihad to stop Obama-care and thwart the Democrat caliphate? Or will you close your eyes and solemnly chant: There is no god but government, and Obama is its prophet?

Joseph K. Waltenbaugh, New Castle, Pa.

Hillary for president? Who cares?

I see where Congressman Tim Ryan thinks Hillary Clinton would be an excellent president.

Well, Congressman Ryan, the election is still three years out. So at this point, what does it matter?

Dan List, Struthers


Comments

1birdseed(66 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

when gay couples marry, I will pay for their honeymoon to the middle east.

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2birdseed(66 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

tim ryan, you are finished.

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3Photoman(1004 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Mr. Ryan is not a fighter for our freedoms. He is quick to pick the easy battle and to grab some free PR from the Vindy. He has been moving up the Congressional ladder by remaining a political party hack. He stands for very little and seems to care little about border security, increasing debt or our active military.

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4rjwhit63(10 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

What is in the drinking water in New Castle. After calling Obama a religious zealot in so many words the writers lack of education, ignorance and prejudice becomes very apparent when he thinks the saviors of this country are Sen Cruz and Lee. These are the guys that cost this country $24 billion in 16 days and were willing to cause financial ruin to the US. It is people like the writer who support such right wing conservatives that are really dangerous for this country.

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5jrolley325(800 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

hilarious that this nut joseph waltenbaugh uses the word "extremist" to describe anyone. now that eivo has chimed in, all we need is cathy lukasko to show up to complete the hat trick of nutjobbery

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6jrolley325(800 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

these letters get nuttier every week. i dont know if i should find it hilarious or disturbing that there's actually people who believe this stuff

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7Cosmo19(53 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I wonder if the Vindicator realizes that Joseph K. Waltenbaugh is actually a professional writer, see his website at:
www.waltenbaugh.net
The above letter, that he sent to the Vindy editors was actually published and copyrighted in Sept.

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8SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Joseph is one very sick man.

Republicans and Democrats may have sharp differences, but I don't recall either "threatening annihilation", or summary destruction of persons with a contrary viewpoint.

Joe's brave hero's, Cruz and Lee, have not made claims that the Democrats made such threats.

Joe's criticism of the media ("not the slightest criticism of the government") demonstrates how out-of-touch he is. October and November's main stream media coverage of the healthcare website was universally critical.

If Waltenbaugh really believes his editorials, and not just seeking notoriety/publicity, he really needs professional help.

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9SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

1)
Please identify Obama's news media.
Then cite a specific threat of annihilation.

2) Was "the media" critical of the healthcare website nor not?

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10GailsMom(16 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

I pray that Mr Waldenbaugh doesn't have access to guns, he is whacko!

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11gdog4766(1495 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

I know, why in the world would the vindy publish a letter written by an individual who is obviously mentally unstable. To read this person letter concerning Obama is very unsettling. As has been reported only since a black man has been elected to the White House have so many very extreme people emerged. The Feds need to go and check this person out and take any weapons in his home for the safety of us all.

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12gdog4766(1495 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Oh and Eivo is one of the extremist aholes. They worship human feces like Cruz who question Obamas citizenship when this scumbag is a Canadian born son of a Cuban communist. Scumbags like these are false patriots.

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13Cosmo19(53 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Here's a golden oldie from the pen of Waldenbaugh written in 2009:

"Kalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and his four co-conspirators will be tried ... the fifth co-conspirator—Barack Hussein Obama—goes scot-free"

Beyond Whacko....

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14SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

eivo...
still waiting for your citation of a specific threat of annihilation that you think was on CNBC.....

You agree that the media (in general) was critical of the healthcare website. Doesn't that contradict Joe's position that "The media... have elected not to offer even the slightest criticism of government... "

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15Jerryl(105 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

@Cosmo19,

Walden seemed a little unhinged, but accusing Obama of being a 9/11 conspirator is way over the top!

With all due respect to freedom of speech, does Vindy know that this guy is such an extreme hate-monger and still give him print ?

There seems to be no point to his letter beyond inciting hatred, yelling fire in the theater to evoke a reaction.

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16borylie(790 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

gdog,You state that only since a black man is in office that the extremists came out. Who shot Presidents Ford and Reagan,two WHITE presidents? This president wasn't qualified to even run for president and is ridiculed not because he's black, but because he's incompetent. If you dispute this fact,tell us how he was qualified. Thank you.

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17borylie(790 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

President Obama was a community organizer. He would give talks to people telling them how they've been put down and left behind then blame their poverty on the corporate world and of course white people. He convinced them he would get them out of poverty and to just listen to him. He would organize get out the vote and register and get people to the polls, to of course vote democrat. To this day this is all he knows. Talk and convince people he's going to save them and of course blame someone else when he can't deliver. Something's never change, this is all he knows.

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18gdog4766(1495 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

You know what's really troubling? These two horses,rectums defending this whack job. These two false patriots,are posting I here more false doctrine and made up talking points they get from the gutless idiots of their ilk. Here I'll give you two a little project that you will fail at. Go back say 50 years and name us at least two rescumlicans who have been known as either humanitarians or philanthropists. Now no cheating, so no you can't lie and make stuff up they have to be real people and for bonus points name one rescumlican who has won the novel peace Prize. It'll kinda cleanse you two for defending this human feces with legs.

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19SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Eivo,
Still waiting for your answer to #20. .......
So far crickets......

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20SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Not close enough,

I'm straight out challenging your BS.
If you have any facts and names spit them out. "a fat slob on CNBC" isn't specific enough.

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21walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

eivo,
You are incorrect about Sgt.Schultz; he is on MSNBC, not CNBC. But, he most assuredly is a fat slob. I would also add, a minimal talent as well. And, while we are on MSNBC, what about the vile things Martin Bashir said about Sarah Palin? Since she is America's resident "Idiot" and "dunce", he wished someone would defecate and urinate in her mouth! Had to resign his position over that since the standards on that network are so low they didn't fire him. And, what about the things that Rachel Maddow has said about Bush and Cheney? Why would someone name their son "Rachel"?

Democratic state-controlled media at its finest!

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22SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Aw come on now, I expect better than that.
A comment by a hack on a station no one watches and said over 4 years ago.

Are you really that thin skinned?

Where's the "threat of annihilation"?

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23Jerryl(105 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

@walter,
Off-topic - but here's what Bashir said:

“When Mrs. Palin invokes slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, she would be the outstanding candidate.

Not quite your version.

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24walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Jerryl
Not off the topic one bit. OK, he didn't "wish" for this to be but he said that she would be an outstanding candidate. Here is what Mr. Bashir said before the ending quote on his MSNBC show a week before Thanksgiving:

In 1756, he records that “A slave named Darby catched eating canes; had him well flogged and pickled, then made Hector, another slave, s-h-i-t in his mouth.” This became known as Darby’s dose, a punishment invented by Thistlewood that spoke only of the slave owners savagery and inhumanity.

And he mentions a similar incident again in 1756, this time in relation to a man he refers to as Punch. “Flogged Punch well, and then washed and rubbed salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper; made Negro Joe piss in his eyes and mouth.” I could go on, but you get the point.

When Mrs. Palin invoked slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms that if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, then she would be the outstanding candidate.

Mr. Bashir found that, while you indeed have freedom of speech, especially political speech, in the US, there can be repercussions for it.

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25doubled(210 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

borylie asks how Obama is qualified to be president -"If you dispute this fact, tell us how he was qualified. Thank you."

Okay, I'll try. He won more votes than his opponent - twice. That qualifies him to be president. We live in the United States, remember? If you dislike the American system, then you are free to go live somewhere else. Otherwise, election results count. And you're welcome.

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26doubled(210 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

I think it's humorous, but typical, that all the gop/tea folks want politicians to stay out of the military business of this country when their is nothing in the Constitution that requires such compartmentalization, but in the same breath demand that politicians deeply involve themselves in the religious business of this country, despite the fact that there is an actual Constitutional Amendment prohibiting such conduct. Aren't the tea partiers the ones who are always screaming about following the Constitution. I guess they just want certain parts followed, huh?

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27borylie(790 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

doubled, Great Answer. Did you have to research that or did it come to you while in deep thought? Wow! That's why it's so difficult to debate liberal,democrat,socialist and communist people,the answers are so thought out and profound. I'm done,I can't keep up with you.

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28borylie(790 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

doubled, One more thing before I bow out of this debate. In my post #25 can you and your obviously high intellect tell me where I have erred in my description of President Obama. Thank you.

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29gdog4766(1495 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

My god whata bunch of two faced double talking aholes. Only filth like these rectum boys can hold the bible in their hand and spew hate for certain groups. And if you listen closely to these false patriots they only support the parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights they agree with. Freedom and rights for all is something they abhor. Their mantra should be lie,lie, when caught deny. Wait they don't lie, they just make crap up. And check these parasites out, they don't work they post all day. Probably on some form of SSI.

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30SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

@eivo,

Really? Now you are citing the same hack but on his radio talk show (with even fewer listeners than his MSNBC show) for a inflamatory remark three years ago?

You gotta have something better than that.

Where's the annihilation?

Where are the really scary threats for being critical?

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31doubled(210 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Okay broylie, I'll give it a shot. You said all he can do is "Talk and convince people he's going to save them and of course blame someone else when he can't deliver."

Well, let's see:

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance,

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan:

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 150,000 jobs.

8. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

9. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments. No American lives were lost.

10. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office.

11. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans.

12. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010.

13. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

14. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009),

15. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers even if that discrimination happened years ago.

That's just from 2009 to 2012. There's a whole lot more. Would you like me to continue?

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32GailsMom(16 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

dontbeafool,
" It is easy to vote to jump into un-neccessary wars..." are you refering to GW Bush?

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33Knightcap(699 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

During Obama's eulogy for Mandela the sign language interpreter was putting up wrong signs for what Obama was saying. I guess the Africans don't understand him any better than we do.

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34jrolley325(800 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

lol the people who love to talk so much about the constitution aren't even aware of the 22nd amendment.

even if in your delusional mind that they somehow wanted to repeal it, it would need 2/3 vote of both houses (which puts to rest your whole "party line" comment and 3/4 of states ratification. but since conservatives are such constitutional experts, i assumed you would know this already.

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35SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Reminder:
@eivo,

Really? Now you are citing the same hack, but on his radio talk show (with even fewer listeners than his MSNBC show) for a inflamatory remark three years ago?

You gotta have something better than that.

Where's the annihilation?

Where are the really scary threats for being critical?

all I hear are crickets....................................

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36SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

Re-reminder

@eivo,

Really? Now you are citing the same hack, but on his radio talk show (with even fewer listeners than his MSNBC show) for a inflamatory remark three years ago?

You gotta have something better than that.

Where's the annihilation?

Where are the really scary threats for being critical?

all I hear are crickets....................................

and more crickets .....

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37SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 9 months, 1 week ago

eivo,

After more than 4 days eivo still doesn't have an answer.

Maybe he's playing hide-n-seek, or maybe he is just full of BS

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38SheDevil(120 comments)posted 9 months ago

@Seriously,
evio has no answer, he just makes stuff up and changes the subject.

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