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Politicians, pundits must not meddle in military planning

Published: Sun, December 8, 2013 @ 12:00 a.m.

Politicians, pundits must not meddle in military planning

I ran across a recent column by Cal Thomas in which he provides his usual droll drivel to muddy the waters on a subject. I noticed he was quick to absolve Dick Cheney for his use of “alternative interrogation” (waterboarding) regardless of where the individual who was involved was born. The same subject matter has been discussed regarding the use of drones.

Drones have become the “spy” of choice in our fervor to track terrorists or those who are responsible for tragedies against Americans as in Benghazi. Even Anwar Al Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico yet perpetrated offenses against America, was killed in a drone attack.

If any American commits any act against this country then he has forfeited his rights and should be treated as a traitor. The advice given in the movie “A Fistful of Dynamite” is, therefore, applicable to such terrorists: Duck, you sucker.

These individuals should be treated no differently than Nazi sympathizers in World War II. Heck, we had the same problem during the American Revolution with one Benedict Arnold, didn’t we?

What’s strange is that some pundits like Cal forgive the trespassers and condemn ideological nonbelievers for doing the same thing.

Does the NSA Listening Labyrinth (Dubya vs. Obama) ring a bell? Too many of our legislators and pundits forget the observation of Spaniard George Santayana: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

President Eisenhower did it after the French were slaughtered at Dien Bien Phu in the first Indochina War. JFK’s secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, just had to micro-manage the war instead of allowing Adm. Zumwalt and the Army generals to manage the action in Vietnam; Dubya and his allies just had to micromanage the illegal war in iraq.

The only president in history who did it right was daddy Bush who turned Operation Desert Storm over to his generals and then hid out in the White House with his mouth shut. Bravo.

It is a very sorry state as foreign policy and military “experts” provide comments to pundits to directly influence them in the distribution of news that is so vital to the interests of America and is generally based on old information.

It would be an honor to tell Cal Thomas this: Good luck on your retirement.

John Zordich, Youngstown

Canfield council’s record on charter changes: 0 hits, 4 errors

In the 2012 election, there were two charter amendments on the ballot placing term limits on Canfield City Council and the mayor. Council opposed both. Both passed.

In the 2013 election, there were two additional charter amendments on the ballot. One placed term limits on Canfield boards and commissions. The other permitted residents to comment on issues on the floor before a final vote on issues before any board or commission. Council opposed both. Both passed.

Since I worked to get these on the ballots I will confess to having mixed emotions. I am pleased that they passed. But, I ask, why did these have to be done this way? Is council really in touch with the realities of today? We have term limits for the president, the governor of Ohio and for state senators. Why wouldn’t council support term limits? Term limits are not new.

In regard to this year’s first charter amendment placing term limits on our boards and commissions, I would like to point out that these are “appointed” positions. They are not elected. The appointment process is fraught with opportunity for favoritism and reappointing incumbents. Of the 22 people on all the boards and commissions, eight have over 10 years, three over 20 years and 13 have more than one term. Term limits are appropriate. At the end of 2013, there will be six openings on the boards. Hopefully, there will be a good-faith effort to find candidates. In the past, the openings were not well publicized.

The second charter amendment on this year’s ballot had to do with residents being able to comment on an issue on the floor before a final vote in board meetings. Yes, comments are allowed at the beginning of a meeting or if you are on the agenda. But, as the meeting progresses, a resident may have a question or be able to add additional information. This is not allowed. Those who voted “no” apparently are willing to give up their right to voice their opinion.

I would like to point out that there was a third charter amendment submitted this year that was not allowed. Over 600 people signed the petition. This amendment, applied to city council, contained language permitting residents to speak before a final vote is taken. This is the same language that passed for boards and commissions. Some trumped-up reasoning was cited that it interfered with council rules. Proposed amendments are there to change the rules. The bottom line is that council is not interested in having residents participate in the decision- making process once an issue is on the floor. That has been their exclusive territory. What are they afraid of? The amendment contained protection against filibustering.

Council’s record on charter amendments over the last two years is no hits, four errors. Residents should be able to contribute to the decision-making process without the restriction of having to sign up before the meeting begins.

Frank A. Micchia, Canfield

Democrats’ worship of Obama resembles jihadist terrorist attack

There is no god but gov- ernment, and Obama is its prophet. That is the mantra of the Democratic Party, and you better learn it if you wish to keep your head.

The extremists in the Democratic Party have learned much from the Islamic terrorist movement, and, like their brethren, they demand that everyone convert to the religion of liberalism or be summarily destroyed.

The terroristic tendencies of the Democrat Party were never more evident than when it declared jihad on America and plowed Obamacare into the twin towers of liberty and freedom.

As the nation teetered and began to crumble, Democrats could be heard shrieking at the top of their lungs, “Government is great!” Lured on by the promise of 72 interns, they continue their suicide mission on every front.

Like Islamic jihadists, they do not tolerate criticism of their religion or the mocking of the Prophet Obama, and they have threatened annihilation on anyone who does.

The media, fully aware of the danger, have elected not to offer even the slightest criticism of government for fear of what will befall them.

Fortunately, there are some brave conservatives — Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee to name two — who are not afraid to meet the Obamacare jihad head-on. They courageously expose government for the false god that it is, and they encourage others to do the same. But their actions are not without consequence. They have been assaulted mercilessly for what they have done by the extremists in the Democratic Party and their sleeper cells in the Republican Party.

Now the question is: What will you do? Will you fight the jihad to stop Obama-care and thwart the Democrat caliphate? Or will you close your eyes and solemnly chant: There is no god but government, and Obama is its prophet?

Joseph K. Waltenbaugh, New Castle, Pa.

Hillary for president? Who cares?

I see where Congressman Tim Ryan thinks Hillary Clinton would be an excellent president.

Well, Congressman Ryan, the election is still three years out. So at this point, what does it matter?

Dan List, Struthers


1Photoman(1071 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Mr. Ryan is not a fighter for our freedoms. He is quick to pick the easy battle and to grab some free PR from the Vindy. He has been moving up the Congressional ladder by remaining a political party hack. He stands for very little and seems to care little about border security, increasing debt or our active military.

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2rjwhit63(10 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

What is in the drinking water in New Castle. After calling Obama a religious zealot in so many words the writers lack of education, ignorance and prejudice becomes very apparent when he thinks the saviors of this country are Sen Cruz and Lee. These are the guys that cost this country $24 billion in 16 days and were willing to cause financial ruin to the US. It is people like the writer who support such right wing conservatives that are really dangerous for this country.

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3redeye1(5112 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

jrolley325 Put down the Kool-aid for a day, then maybe your vision of this once great nation will clear up. It's people like you the unimformed that has caused the fool in the white house to succeed as a far as he has. But come the next election the smart ones will vote out the liberturds who are now backing OBAMMY and replace them with people who aren't afraid of this fool. Then this country just might survive

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4Cosmo19(53 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I wonder if the Vindicator realizes that Joseph K. Waltenbaugh is actually a professional writer, see his website at:
The above letter, that he sent to the Vindy editors was actually published and copyrighted in Sept.

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5GailsMom(16 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I pray that Mr Waldenbaugh doesn't have access to guns, he is whacko!

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6Cosmo19(53 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Here's a golden oldie from the pen of Waldenbaugh written in 2009:

"Kalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and his four co-conspirators will be tried ... the fifth co-conspirator—Barack Hussein Obama—goes scot-free"

Beyond Whacko....

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7Jerryl(105 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago


Walden seemed a little unhinged, but accusing Obama of being a 9/11 conspirator is way over the top!

With all due respect to freedom of speech, does Vindy know that this guy is such an extreme hate-monger and still give him print ?

There seems to be no point to his letter beyond inciting hatred, yelling fire in the theater to evoke a reaction.

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8borylie(890 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

gdog,You state that only since a black man is in office that the extremists came out. Who shot Presidents Ford and Reagan,two WHITE presidents? This president wasn't qualified to even run for president and is ridiculed not because he's black, but because he's incompetent. If you dispute this fact,tell us how he was qualified. Thank you.

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9borylie(890 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

President Obama was a community organizer. He would give talks to people telling them how they've been put down and left behind then blame their poverty on the corporate world and of course white people. He convinced them he would get them out of poverty and to just listen to him. He would organize get out the vote and register and get people to the polls, to of course vote democrat. To this day this is all he knows. Talk and convince people he's going to save them and of course blame someone else when he can't deliver. Something's never change, this is all he knows.

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10redeye1(5112 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

borylie gdog is your typical liberturd who can't argue with you on facts, so they use the race card. When you threaten them with having to work for what they want, They get scared , you see they have developed a life style of living off others sweat ,while they sit at home and collect a check along with other FREEBIES!
gdog At least Cruz is honest on where he was born, unlike the liar in the White House who had ALL his records sealed .Such as school, birth records etc.

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11walter_sobchak(2210 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

You are incorrect about Sgt.Schultz; he is on MSNBC, not CNBC. But, he most assuredly is a fat slob. I would also add, a minimal talent as well. And, while we are on MSNBC, what about the vile things Martin Bashir said about Sarah Palin? Since she is America's resident "Idiot" and "dunce", he wished someone would defecate and urinate in her mouth! Had to resign his position over that since the standards on that network are so low they didn't fire him. And, what about the things that Rachel Maddow has said about Bush and Cheney? Why would someone name their son "Rachel"?

Democratic state-controlled media at its finest!

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12Jerryl(105 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Off-topic - but here's what Bashir said:

“When Mrs. Palin invokes slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, she would be the outstanding candidate.

Not quite your version.

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13walter_sobchak(2210 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Not off the topic one bit. OK, he didn't "wish" for this to be but he said that she would be an outstanding candidate. Here is what Mr. Bashir said before the ending quote on his MSNBC show a week before Thanksgiving:

In 1756, he records that “A slave named Darby catched eating canes; had him well flogged and pickled, then made Hector, another slave, s-h-i-t in his mouth.” This became known as Darby’s dose, a punishment invented by Thistlewood that spoke only of the slave owners savagery and inhumanity.

And he mentions a similar incident again in 1756, this time in relation to a man he refers to as Punch. “Flogged Punch well, and then washed and rubbed salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper; made Negro Joe piss in his eyes and mouth.” I could go on, but you get the point.

When Mrs. Palin invoked slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms that if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, then she would be the outstanding candidate.

Mr. Bashir found that, while you indeed have freedom of speech, especially political speech, in the US, there can be repercussions for it.

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14doubled(210 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

borylie asks how Obama is qualified to be president -"If you dispute this fact, tell us how he was qualified. Thank you."

Okay, I'll try. He won more votes than his opponent - twice. That qualifies him to be president. We live in the United States, remember? If you dislike the American system, then you are free to go live somewhere else. Otherwise, election results count. And you're welcome.

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15doubled(210 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

I think it's humorous, but typical, that all the gop/tea folks want politicians to stay out of the military business of this country when their is nothing in the Constitution that requires such compartmentalization, but in the same breath demand that politicians deeply involve themselves in the religious business of this country, despite the fact that there is an actual Constitutional Amendment prohibiting such conduct. Aren't the tea partiers the ones who are always screaming about following the Constitution. I guess they just want certain parts followed, huh?

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16borylie(890 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

doubled, Great Answer. Did you have to research that or did it come to you while in deep thought? Wow! That's why it's so difficult to debate liberal,democrat,socialist and communist people,the answers are so thought out and profound. I'm done,I can't keep up with you.

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17borylie(890 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

doubled, One more thing before I bow out of this debate. In my post #25 can you and your obviously high intellect tell me where I have erred in my description of President Obama. Thank you.

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18jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

A focus group conducted by Democratic pollster Peter Hart found that disappointment in President Barack Obama is running high among some of his previous supporters, MSNBC reported Monday.

The focus group’s sharp criticism of President Obama would seem to keep in line with his recent record-low polling numbers.

The focus group was comprised of 11 “independent” or “independent-minded” voters in Ohio. Of those 11, eight voted for President Obama in the 2012 election.

Of those eight, not a single one said they were “proud” or “satisfied” with how he has handled his presidency. Rather, the group used words like “inexperienced,” “powerless,” “cautious,” “timid,” and “overwhelmed” to describe the president.

“I was really excited going into his first term. His first term was certainly a disappointment,” one group member told Hart.

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19jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Hey gdog, your friends at MSNBC are letting you down. What are you going to do now?

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20dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Waltenbaugh is a whack. Only the Cruz's and Limbaughs of the world would agree with that crap. In fact, I am going to print this off so I can go wipe.

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21doubled(210 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Okay broylie, I'll give it a shot. You said all he can do is "Talk and convince people he's going to save them and of course blame someone else when he can't deliver."

Well, let's see:

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance,

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan:

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 150,000 jobs.

8. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

9. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments. No American lives were lost.

10. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office.

11. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans.

12. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010.

13. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

14. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009),

15. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers even if that discrimination happened years ago.

That's just from 2009 to 2012. There's a whole lot more. Would you like me to continue?

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22dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

But he has a D in front of his name and Rush says he is bad. Now you will get the long list of horrible things he has done. Good points.

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23dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

But to the article at hand, not only do I think politicians need to stay out of military planning, I think in order to be a politician on the national level, you should be required to at least serve IN the military. It is easy to vote to jump into un-neccessary wars when you have no idea what the men fighting has to go through.

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24GailsMom(16 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

" It is easy to vote to jump into un-neccessary wars..." are you refering to GW Bush?

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25dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

He did, but I am referring to any member of congress, the senate, or future President. Most of these guys wouldn't know a fox hole if they fell in it. If military was a requirement to run for office, a common man may have an opportunity to gain office. As of now, the person with the most millions win. These people are quick to send in the troops and have no idea what it is even like to serve.

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26dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Probably more than you eivo. To organize you have to be positive, not be a negative old man. I'll give bush some credit, he ATTEMPTED to have a military record, he just didn't show up on his weekends. Your hate for Obama is becoming obsessive. Not healthy buddy.

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27dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

eivo, I didn't bring up Bush in this thread. Out of your 262 comments, I bet 200 of them have Obama or a term refering to Obama in them. Eulogy and free loaders......off topic again.

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28dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

according to you in the other thread, he is running for a third term..... so it might be another 4 years. Way to be informed. I thought for sure Rush would have at least taught you that the POTUS could only run for 2 consecutive terms.

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29dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

you are DELUSIONAL with a capital DELUSIONAL.

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30jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

"The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo - for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation and avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted.

But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes. Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle. Romney lost because he didn't get enough votes to win.

That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues – of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate. The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.

Every businessman knows this; that is why the "loss leader" or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama's America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who - courtesy of Obama - receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentives looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.

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31dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

but Obama will lie, rig it, and change the constitution. He is just that eivo. I mean evil.

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32dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

again, that isn't changing the constitution. That was a rule change in the Senate. The Constitution cites only five requirements for Senate supermajorities, including impeachment convictions of presidents, but allows the House and Senate to set their own rules. Under long-standing resolutions, the Senate considers itself to be a “continuing body” whose parliamentary rules remain in effect unless a two-thirds supermajority votes to change them.

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33dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

What is your response eivo, pick from one of your three rebuttals.
Obama is a liar
Freeloaders need a job
Obamacare is a disaster

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34jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

.Nelson Mandela is a leader Barack Obama should try to emulate. He could start by spending 27 years in prison.

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35dontbeafool(1391 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

Just like Eivo, when he is proven wrong or can't answer a question, he disappears.

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36SheDevil(120 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

evio has no answer, he just makes stuff up and changes the subject.

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37jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago


The Winner.....Obama:
I will have the most transparent administration in history.
The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.
I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.
The IRS is not targeting anyone.
It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.
I will put an end to the type of politics that "breeds division, conflict and cynicism".
You didn't build that!
I will restore trust in Government.
The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.
The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk
It's not my red line - it is the world's red line.
Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.
We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with interest.
I am not spying on American citizens.
ObamaCare will be good for America
You can keep your family doctor.
Premiums will be lowered by $2500.
If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan
It's just like shopping at Amazon
I knew nothing about "Fast and Furious" gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels
I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups
I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi
I have never seen my Uncle from Kenya who is in the country illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years ago
And, I have never lived with that uncle. (He finally admitted (12-05-2013) that he DID know his uncle and that he DID live with him.

And the biggest one of all:
"I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America."

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38jojuggie(1607 comments)posted 1 year, 7 months ago

.......and the winner is:

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