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Landowners face challenges with new leasing rules


Published: Sun, April 28, 2013 @ 12:01 a.m.

RELATED: Leases held by production creating legal hurdles

By JAMISON COCKLIN

jcocklin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

In Portage and Stark counties, on a vast stretch of 958 acres straddling Lake and Suffield townships, natural gas company Chesapeake Energy had a plan to drill six horizontal shale wells — all from one pad.

It was still early in the Utica Shale play in 2011.The company set out to secure all the mineral rights it could across the plot, but ran into a problem: 23 landowners and homeowners who could not be reached or had no interest in selling the oil and gas reserves thousands of feet below their property.

So in November 2011, for the first time in the Utica Shale play, the company turned to a rarely used section of Ohio law governing the development of the state’s mineral resources: It filed a request for unit operations with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources Division of Oil and Gas Resources Management.

Eight months later, in July 2012, the division approved the request, forcing those 23 holdouts, accounting for 70 acres, into a single drilling development.

Chesapeake’s move is comparable to mandatory pooling, but when it turned to Ohio Revised Code 1509.28, referred to as “unitization,” it used a law that was designed for an entirely different purpose.

“They’re bending and twisting it every way but Sunday to apply it to what they think they need for horizontal-shale drilling development,” Alan Wenger, an attorney at Harrington, Hoppe & Mitchell, said. Wenger represents landowners. “The underlying rationale for the law is being followed, but when it was drafted in the 1960s, lawmakers didn’t have the foggiest dream of what’s happening now.”

Since Chesapeake’s application, ODNR has received 11 requests for unit operations, four of which have been approved. Five are pending, and two were resolved outside the agency.

The law was adopted in 1965. Until exploration and production companies began to develop the Utica Shale with horizontal drilling, or fracking, ODNR had received only two requests for unitization since its inception, according to the agency. Fracking uses water, chemicals and sand pumped deep into shale rock to extract the oil and natural gas within it.

Initially, lawmakers drafted the provision after an oil boom in Morrow County, when multiple vertical wells were being drilled in high density on town lots to help bring up oil from traps, or reservoirs, deep underground.

The law set forth spacing rules to counter concerns about over-drilling and the waste that comes with it. It allowed operators seeking permits to efficiently drain those reservoirs and establish boundaries for setting up multiple derricks.

Today, though, shale wells require lateral runs that extend thousands of feet. Chesapeake wanted to run six wells at the Rufener Unit, in Stark and Portage counties, between 5,000 and 6,000 feet requiring more acreage to set up a single pad from which it could reduce surface disruption and maximize its return.

The law requires that at least 65 percent of landowners in a given unit area agree to drilling, while mandatory pooling requires that 90 percent of landowners agree. Pooling also typically deals with one well, not multiple wells.

At the Rufener Unit, Chesapeake had secured 887 acres without unitization, meaning it had far exceeded ODNR’s 65-percent requirement by leasing most properties.

Even still, as unitization becomes more common, the process shines a light on obscurities in the state’s mineral-rights laws and how regulators interpret them.

Caught in between ODNR — with a mission to develop the state’s resources ­— and the exploration and production companies that spend large sums of money to extract them are the state’s landowners, who often do not understand such complexities and what they stand to lose when selling valuable resources on their property.

Costly Choices

Attorneys such as Wenger, along with opponents and proponents of unitization, say the practice is becoming more common. Furthermore, it’s likely to increase, especially if annual production numbers in the Utica Shale go up.

For those like Vanessa Pesec, president of the Network for Oil and Gas Accountability and Protection (NEOGAP), the practice is unfair and puts nonconforming parties at a disadvantage.

“From our perspective, this whole thing of being unitized is a big problem,” she said. “How can you make landowners part of a unit if your bank says no or you want nothing to do with it?

“Even if you get unitized, you have three options: sign a lease, become a working interest owner, or nonconsenting owner,” she continued. “Anyway, you’re part of a unit and you have financial liability — long term liability.”

Under unitization, ODNR requires that each oil and gas company make a “good faith” effort to lease all landowners in the proposed pool, which is considered the best possible option.

At the Rufener Unit, Chesapeake was offering leases at $1,200 per acre, plus a 12.5 percent royalty from the net revenue of each well.

For those who choose not to lease their property, or cannot, because of a clause in one’s mortgage or another problem with the land title, the benefits are bleak under unitization. There is no signing bonus and no generous royalty on net revenues.

Standard oil and gas leases allow energy companies access to a landowner’s mineral rights in exchange for rents and royalties. When holdouts prevent those companies from developing a desired plot of land, at its core, unitization facilitates uniform development of that acreage as if it were part of a single lease.

Hence, while the rights of landowners in a unit are technically protected, some landowners benefit more than others.

When land is unitized, property owners without a standard lease can choose to become either a working-interest owner or a non-consenting working-interest owner.

Working-interest owners become a partner in the well’s operation. They are responsible for paying, in most instances, up to 200 percent of each well’s cost, which typically take more than $7 million to drill and develop. These costs are subtracted from any potential royalties.

Once they’ve satisfied their share of the well’s costs, they receive a one-eighth royalty payment after the wells begin producing.

They also own a proportionate share of the wells, surface facilities, equipment and other materials with the expectation that they

continue to share further costs of operation.

Nonconsenting owners do not take on the potential risk of a well not producing after completion, and no surface operations can take place on their property. They, too, are responsible for paying up to 200 percent of each well’s cost, but they also pay up to a 600 percent risk-penalty for failing to take on early costs of development. Once those conditions are met, they receive a one-eighth royalty payment and own a proportionate share of the wells.

“Unitization is not a great deal; it’s a way to nudge people to go along with their neighbors, facilitate, organize and regulate the process,” Wenger said. “You should really try to sign a [standard] lease.”

But for James O’Reilly, a professor of law and public health at the University of Cincinnati, unitization presents a host of problems for landowners.

O’Reilly believes the law allows oil and gas companies to compel landowners to consent against their will and then punish them financially, either through reduced royalties or the prospect of property degradation.

Though many unit orders include a small provision that states nonconsenting owners cannot be held liable for any property damage, O’Reilly said that administrative clause is both weak and short-lived in a court of law.

Further disadvantages, O’Reilly said, come when landowners lose the oil and gas beneath their property by forfeiting the right to lease their land at a later date.

He also fears that nearby drilling poses a suit of environmental hazards, even if that drilling occurs miles away. Development, he said, can lead to devaluation of property or future litigation against a landowner, despite the indemnification clauses included with unit agreements.

A last resort

Indeed, production companies would rather not use unitization. The process is time consuming and costly.

ODNR eventually could limit the number of annual requests a company can make if the practice grows and each time they’re filed, companies must pay a significant fee to the state.

Rhonda Reda, executive director of the Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program, said it is often a last resort.

Shale wells typically require vast amounts of acreage, and rarely do landowners 100-acre tracts.

Reda said unitization ensures that landowners will be fairly compensated for their mineral rights. Moreover, she said those with small properties might never receive an offer to have their mineral rights developed because a company could not establish a well pad on smaller plots.

Mark McGrail, of the United Shaleowners Association in Trumbull County, which works on behalf of landowners, agrees.

“If ODNR grants unitization, it’s a good thing, then the company has to negotiate some kind of deal for the property,” he said.

In Chesapeake’s case, before and after it was granted unitization, it continued making calls and visits to try and secure more profitable leases for landowners who might have never heard from a production company.

What’s more, the application process is a strict one, said officials at ODNR.

“The Division of Oil and Gas Management’s legal and permitting team diligently reviews the application, taking whatever time is necessary to conduct a complete and thorough review,” the department said in a statement. “The process includes a hearing, and all affected parties are provided adequate notice of the hearing date.”

Unit operations have other advantages too. Drilling, completing and producing multiple wells from a single pad reduces surface and

environmental impacts. It requires far fewer access roads, which reduces traffic in a given area and curbs the need to install numerous tank batteries and production facilities.

Regulatory capture

Many of the landowners detailed in documents obtained by The Vindicator were reluctant to discuss their experience with exploration companies or ODNR during the unitization process, most often saying they were not opposed to drilling but felt cornered with few options when confronted by unitization.

The documents, which highlighted hearings on the Rufener Unit and several others being pursued by Halcon Resources and BP, for example, show a process that leans toward oil and gas companies.

At a hearing before

members of ODNR in March 2012 on the Rufener Unit, two lawyers for Chesapeake made their case with only one landowner and the lawyer of a second speaking on the record — 21 others

either chose not to speak, did not show up, or did not know that such a hearing was taking place.

Chesapeake noted during those proceedings, however, that the parties had been informed.

“One day a certified letter comes from ODNR in the mail telling you that your property has been unitized by Chesapeake or whoever,” Pesec, president of NEOGAP said. “A lot of these people don’t understand, and I’ve been the first to inform them in many cases.”

Andrew and Kristi Stalker, who had a small plot of land at the edge of the Rufener Unit, chose to appeal the unitization order with the Ohio Oil and Gas Commission, an independent body of review that hears complaints against ODNR’s Division of Oil and Gas Resources Management.

Chesapeake had signed a lease for 11 acres with the Stalkers, who live in Lake Township. When they failed to receive their lease bonus, they learned that Chesapeake had nullified their agreement when the company learned that a clause with their homeowner’s association prohibited them from developing their mineral rights.

Chesapeake unitized just two acres of their property. After scrambling to secure a lawyer, the couple was late in submitting an appeal by four days, and the commission rejected it, allowing their property to be unitized.

“ODNR says their mission is to enhance gas extraction, but their purpose is tightly linked to the work of the gas industry,” O’Reilly, of the University of Cincinnati said.

“It’s one of the worst cases of regulatory capture I’ve ever seen. They are committed to helping the industry more than those they’re sworn to protect.”

Growing Concerns

Still, Ohio is not alone in its pooling laws: 39 other states employ them to ensure the rights of landowners.

Operators throughout the country have used such unit plans to successfully develop resources in other productive shale plays.

Unitization records also make clear that ODNR has given each request a thorough review, with hard questions for production companies during hearings and delays in the approval process when regulators believe an issue needs more attention.

In the end, earlier this month, after estimating that the Rufener Unit held 3.4 billion cubic feet of natural gas and 500,000 barrels of natural gas liquids, at an estimated return of at least $71 million beyond development costs, Chesapeake put 94,205 acres up for sale in Stark and Portage Counties, including the Rufener Unit.

A company spokesman said “plans change,” and pointed out that whoever acquires the rights to the unit will have to operate under its agreement — meaning nothing will change for those unitized if a new owner arrives.

Without drilling activity, the unit agreement will eventually expire as well.

As the practice unfolds, though, it will become increasingly important that ODNR remain diligent, attorneys say.

Currently, in Trumbull County, Halcon is attempting to bypass properties that already are leased, by including a provision to “adapt nonconforming leases,” in their request for unit operations, Wenger said.

“They are trying to bend and ignore existing lease properties,” Wenger said. “The law is meant for unleased parcels, not leased parcels; they don’t want to amend the leases if they stand in their way — we’ll be challenging that.”

BP recently was approved by ODNR in Mecca and Johnston Townships to recover 300 percent of the well costs, rather than 200 percent. BP’s request was approved by ODNR in only two months.

“This could very much affect the rights of landowners,” Wenger said. “These laws were established so that a minority or single- property owner cannot stop development willy-nilly. But you have to make sure that there’s proper regulation, due process and fair compensation.”


Comments

1cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

In other words, just shut up and bend over.

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2polhack(127 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Oil companies are not your friends. ODNR loves oil companies because they are the source of bureaucracy building funds; ODNR is not your friend. If you sell your mineral rights, get enough to move away, because you are of no importance to either once you sign. Never sign a lease without legal advice to ensure you understand the potential future ramifications of giving non-friends access to your property. If you are force pooled or unitized, seek a skilled lawyer immediately. You still will be screwed by developer and state but you can minimize the extent of the ripoff. Welcome to the economic growth model of oil and gas resource development.

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3ytownsteelman(627 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Just sign the lease and be paid! Why is it so hard for people to accept money?

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4williamsbilly201(18 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Large companies forcing people to do things? Doing whatever is necessary for large profits? This is probably the most American thing possible, its just happening here in Ohio rather then a 3rd world country.

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5JoeFromHubbard(1028 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

It appears that anyone who has land subject to drilling operations should become fully informed of the laws and/or retain a competent attorney to protect their interests. Those who choose otherwise will have to accept their fate.

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676Ytown(1233 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

There are people that believe that their health, which can't be bought is more important is more than money. That the safety of their children and family are more important than money. That the freedoms we enjoy in this country which were fought for by previous generations should be respected.

If the government took over your land you'd be screaming. Why us it ok for this industry to do so and then charge the land owner 200 - 300% of the well's cost.

The wool is being pulled over people's eyes. This industry is permitted to non-disclose the chemicals used, physician gag-orders, exemptions from environmental laws, slap on the wrist for violations, damage release waivers and now, unitization, pooling or eminent domain!

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7lumper(281 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

search wkbn news for donald slater

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8cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

EVERYBODY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHqOl7...

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9UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Everbody! The Vindicator Votes No to Charter!

Next they will throw all the trolls off this site so the new generation can get down to developing energy, the American way.

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10Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Go away UticaShale. Few listen to what you say anymore. You actually think it is right to take away the rights to your land? If you do not want to sign a lease that is your choice and right How does that givers anone or a compnay the right to do what they want for their own gains? It doesn't so shut up and get off this site.

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11Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Also the vindicator is not everybody you fool. They only support it for the same reason you do, false hope that it will bring this area out of it's economic slump regardless of the fact it is mere hype and speculation.

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12cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

UselessShrimp....out from under your rock. I see those trees in the background of the photo, probably reminds you of the days when you just walked on someone else's land, cut down their trees so you could sell it for firewood because you don't need no stinking permit. You did plead guilty to that didn't you?

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13UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

The troll army of three is stunned after their Vindy life has been terminated.

Troll Cambridge and Troll Chance Metz are crying now that the Vindy wants to have nothing to do with all three of them.

Again You say nothing, you do nothing, and you are nothing , You're Trolls! ROTFLMAO

And the Vindy dumped you fools :')

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14cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

UselessShrimp.... Anymore foreclosure's this year. Only two months since the last one but hey....it's only April. I've been going over your court records, dude you're a mess.

I laugh every time you threaten to kick me off this sight. You don't have the gears. As if the Vindy would spend a second listing to your sob stories.

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15Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Has anyonre ever been kicked off this site? If not stop the scare tactics man, that is so elemnetary or middle school.

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16UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Now you have this ABC-nobody-troll accusing the Vindy of taking a bribe, this mad dog is losing all control.

Mr. Sweetwood, I think it is time to throw these losers off this site and let's clean up this mess.

These economic terrorist like Cambridge, Metz, Bigben have been allowed to pollute this site for so long. It is the last of the local blogs to allow these losers to congregate.

ABOC troll is reduced to crying now about the Vindy taking payola and hey what about the new dumping, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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17UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Hey ABC little man, I just flagged your absurd out of control comment that the Vindy is accepting bribes.
You see folks, these are the economic terrorist we are dealing with here, they will vomit anything, any lie, total fabrication when you smack them down, but I keep doing it to keep America free from these radicals.

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18olddude(197 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

cambridge, I disagree with everything u post here.. Our politics are night and day.. Have to say im glad ur getting under the Uticas skin though.. The guy needs to GTT.. I bet he knows what GTT is.. Awhile back he wrote about the carpetbaggers from the north who pillaged the south after the CIVIL WAR and he was the new breed carpetbagger from the south coming to pillage minerals from the north... He is slime... Curious to know about these foreclosures and firewood inuendos.. Whats that all about...Do tell...

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19cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

olddude....always nice to hear from a fan. Foreclosure's and firewood are just more of his scams gone wrong buried in a long list of others. When he first starting posting with THIS username he was passing himself off as higher up employee engineer type for big gas and oil. When I figured out who he was I couldn't believe someone would pretend to be someone or something he's not. The more he posts and the more I learn about him, now I know why.

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20Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Comment 25 . LOL.

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21Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

UticaShale -- This guy needs booted off. Calling people "economic terrorists" and "radicals" . Better reread the policy for posting on here pal. Your out of control.You don't argue intelligently you mock people and mock our community.Why don't you do everyone here a favor and leave ? Your not credible do you think anyone listens to you anymore? Your embarrassing yourself.

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22UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

They listen to me Biggy more than they listen to you, go to GoMarcellusshale.com and let's debate coward. More than 15000 landowners there, ask Metz how we made him cry.

I dare the trolls here to take off the mask with me and debate on GoMarcellusshale.com.

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23Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Uticashill king of trolls no one listens to you. Your a lonely strange little person who babbles on and on and says nothing."Coward"LOL If you ever saw me you would poop your pants. Your not taken seriously by anyone.I'm still laughing from comment 25.

Like I said your doing us a service keep up the good work and thanks so much.Don't forget to vote yes!

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24UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Yeah, I thought so, all talk and no intellect.

"Vindy shocks trolls, votes NO on Charter!

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25Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC Your comments still have me smiling.

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26Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Uticashill "Yeah, I thought so, all talk and no intellect."- - Go back to running around your room banging pots and pans.I can't take you seriously not after the comments you made on here.

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27cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC100....if you want some real entertainment do a search on Vindy and read the posts by TAXEDOFF. You're welcome.

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28cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC100....once you get to TAXEDOFF's comments you have to get pretty deep into them before the real fun begins. He has 118 comments.

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29cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC100....I don't know if you've gotten to the right set of comments, He/She is the Anti-UselessShrimp. Here is TAXEDOFF''S comments pages. Scroll to the bottom and hit the next button seven times and that's when the fun begins.

http://www.vindy.com/users/TAXEDOFF/c...

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30UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

I'll be whoever you want me to be trolls.

Just as the nobody's you are.

Avoid the issue! FOLLOW THE VINDY VOTE NO TO THE CHARTER AND TO THE TROLLS HERE!

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31cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC100....there are other posts and court records for other stuff. It's amazing that when he showed up with this username posing as gas company engineer he bad mouthed the locals till I couldn't take it anymore. He called them takers that live off of others and when I called him on it he called me the same.

Once I realized who he was I pointed out that I've never been delinquent on my taxes, never been sued or arrested. The guy is a one man crime wave and he's not even good at it. The valley has had some world class criminals and small time scammers like him put the valley in a bad light.

It's amazing how he has no shame. No matter how much he's called out on his failed scams and criminal activity he just keeps trying to scam the same people again. I'd be so embarrassed I'd change my name and move to another country. The guy is morally bankrupt.

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32UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Look at these fools, like cockroaches, they seek each other out.

Troll Cambridge, Troll ABC! Taxedoff was a Troll too! And the Vindy threw him off a long time ago for doing the same things you buffoons do, he made up a lot of bull on people, you ignoramuses, ROTFLMAO. Is Taxedoff your great reference?

Mr. Sweetwood here is my case with these out of town fractivist hipsters. Require ABC and Cambridge to produce a current outstanding case against the individual they defame? Require the above individuals to produce verdicts other than relative business cases showing criminal activity and sexual predation.
The individual they defame lives and votes in Youngstown. In addition, this individual is one of the largest taxpayers in the Mahoning county. This individual owns and manages the majority of private land parcels in the county.
Maybe it is because the Vindy foresees liability if it requires identity of its users, I do not know. However, it has been many years now that the Vindy haphazardly polices this site. Once again, as what other sites have learned ,local respectable citizens will paticipate on the Vindy site if accountability here is practised.

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33UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC100 you said above who in their right mind would post with their full name as their screen name? "Mark Sweetwood" is an example! Do you read what you write?

The stuff is on the Mahoning County Courts, you wrote above. Show us all here where in the Mahoning County Courts did you get a case with the individual YOU defamed "renting to convicted sex offenders?"

Mr. Sweetwood, this is just a few examples of allowing falsehoods, defamation and outright lies from an individual who cowards behind a made up identity. This action from her is suspect of everything she put in writing on the Vindy.com. Not only did she lie and defame an individual businessman and his business, she lies about a government entity Mahoning County Court!
One day a lawsuit will arise from allowing defamation disguised as opinion and it will be well documented here.

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34UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Cambridge from California, you are next bro.

First for now, I am an engineer and I work in the energy industry. Show me where this is not fact?

Secondly, show us case #'s with orders other than in the normal course of relative business with the individual you defamed, showing a criminal crime wave?

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35cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

UselessShrimp....it's against the law not to pay your property tax, it's against the law to be an urban lumberjack without a permit, it's against the law to go on someone else's property and take what doesn't belong to you, when a person gets arrested and then pleads guilty......you know.

So if that's not you and you are actually an engineer and you came here with the energy industry why get your panties in a bunch, we're not talking about you, we're talking about someone who pretends to be someone else.

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36cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

UselessShrimp....OK I'll play along. Go back and start reading your posts from the beginning. You and your energy company show up and you started slamming the locals and even threw in their face that they were selling off their mineral rights for less than market value.

For no reason that I could see you we're relentless in talking down to the people from the valley. After a while myself and a few others asked in a nice way, why can't you just come here do your job make your money and move on to the next community, why be a jerk about it. Your answer was to step up your insults about people that did nothing to you.

As far as remarks being made about the guy you're not, I got ALL of that information from the Vindy. You know, the free press. I understand that Mark Sweetwood is the editor of the Vindy and to hear you tell it you have his ear about what you're going to have him do. Like I sad, he's the editor and I respect that. All he has to do is say the word and ill never comment on this topic again.

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37Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

At least uticsShale provides us entertainment. Thge personal attacks started by him and while we are not prefect when people like that get under your skinm and keep on attacking you you reach a point where you have to say something nasty back. Just heard today in Ttrumbull county they discovered a oil storage tank that leaked around 1,600 gallns in to a neaby stream and they traced it downstream for .75 of a mile. Add the incident involved Zorro a sister company of D& L that was small but might have made it to the Mahoning River and you cn see why many do not want this indusrty here, too many spills and intentional dumping cases in the past couple months have occured and this needs to stop. That is what the voters will decide next tuesday.

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38UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

For the record on Vindy:
1. Cambridge comes out of the gate with namecalling.
2. Cambridge claims it is against the law not to pay property taxes. Property taxes are in rem and not persona.
3. Presents no cases to back up statements. Stretches the truth.

4. ABC , also nameless, responds with no facts.

5. Cambridge alledges that Utica has Sweetwoods ear, again an example of continuous fabrication.

Mr. Sweetwood, I do not know you, but I appreciate the streamlining of the "Fracking" section. As you can see qualified writers are beginning to visit this site again. You also had a good question on who were voters in Youngstown. The answers revealed that many of the fractivist here are not local and are hell bent on influencing what us locals will vote on.
I will no longer waste my valuable energy on the above fractivist, I only wanted to document the exchanges for the record.

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39Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Fr the record and i hav been follwing thsi longer then i have been commeting you staarted the personal attacks lying, and generally jsut being a jerk long before anyone else here started it. We jsut got fed up and decided to do what you have been doing all along right back to you. Karma sucks doesn't it?

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40cambridge(2997 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

Metz....you hit the nail on the head. Anyone that goes back and reads the threads from when UselessShrimp started posting, he for no reason just ripped people from the valley and was determined for some reason to pick a fight. He was ignored for a while then asked to just do his engineer job with the company he came with and knock off the insults.

His response was to threaten to turn off people's heating and air condition, call them takers, nonproducers and such. Well it seems at least a few people aren't intimidated. You wanted a fight with people that weren't interested and told you so but now you got your wish. And now that you're losing that fight you cry like a baby and threaten to have people kicked off this site and whatever "you are next bro" means.

UselessShrimp....you got just what you were looking for. How's it feel? Feels about right to me.

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41Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

I said the same thing Utica you were insulting the people of this valley name calling and trying to make us feel like we were nothings. I asked you to stop a long time ago.

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42Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 4 months ago

ABC - - "He is reminding me of a l"ittle kid taking his ball home cause he's losing a game.

New York state court upholds town zoning laws to ban fracking

http://news.yahoo.com/york-state-cour...

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43UticaShale(853 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

How does it feel? to be on your own, no direction known, A COMPLETE UNKNOWN........

Dedicated to ABC, BIG B, CAMBRIDGE and the rest of the antifrackers who got their butts thrown out of Youngstown!

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