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Group forms to fight anti-fracking issue



Published: Fri, April 5, 2013 @ 4:09 p.m.

Group forms to fight anti-fracking issue

YOUNGSTOWN — A coalition of business, labor and political officials not only oppose a citizen-developed charter-amendment for its ban on fracking in Youngstown, but say the language is so vague it could prohibit anything from dry cleaning clothes to driving a car.

The law, on the May 7 ballot, could be interpreted as outlawing aerosol deodorants, certain cosmetics, and existing gas and oil wells, said Alan Wenger, an attorney with the Harrington Hoppe & Mitchell law firm and chairman of its oil and gas practice group that represents hundreds of property owners. He is a member of the Mahoning Valley Coalition for Job Growth and Investment, which announced today its formation and its effort to defeat the charter amendment.

But Tom Cvetkovich, a member of Frack Free Youngstown, which obtained the needed signatures to get the proposal on the ballot, said the bill specifically points to fracking, and claims of it doing more than that aren’t correct.

“The bill doesn’t go as far as they say,” he said. “We don’t intend to go after other businesses or people.”

For the complete story, read Saturday’s Vindicator and Vindy.com


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1oh13voter(1200 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

STOP,
None of what you have said is accurate, it's all supposition. There are no peer reviewed studies to support your claims. In fact just the opposite is true. There are several peer reviewed studies that point to the fact that there are no health risks associated with disposal wells or any other oil and gas related activities.

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2Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

There are risks. Most studies have been supported or paid for by the drilling industry. So they are wrong and people like you are industry paid sheills nothing more. We do not want fracking in Youngstown or in this area, you see the news about all these spiulls and explosions. Yiou want that around here, I sure the heck don't. Betras is scum and so is anyone who thinks this charter amendment is wrong and wil hurt busniess in oiur area. It will only hurt what is related to fracking and in fact fracking can only be banned by the sate not a city or communitry. You xcan thank Dick Chaney and the Haliburton loophole for that. The way the media supports this industry sickens me and is nothing but propaganda the industry spws and some are willing to accept since every since the stell mills closed we have had nothing but hardship and think this industry will be our rebirth. Just nonsense only suppoter by wishful thinkers and the industry pushing these outright pathetic lies!!

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3Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

And why wait until a moth before elections to fight the measure against fracking, it ha been on the ballot since Janauary. The only logicla reason is they fear they wqill lsoe and the people of Youngstown who this affects and have the right to say they don't want freacking here will vote yes to bn fracking which isjsut a public statement and nothing more. Maybe the media should reserach and not jsut spew lies.

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4oh13voter(1200 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

STOP,
The info you cite does not support your bogus claims.

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5oh13voter(1200 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Metz,
There is no such thing as the "Haliburton Loophole".
The oil and gas industry is one of the most heavily regulated industries in our country.

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6Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

That's a like and you know it. Go read the laws and come back to me. Did you hear that ion the news or from one of the industry PR firms. Either way back in 2004 they changed the law so it is onlt up to the staes to rtegulate the shale industry and communties can not regualte it or ban it. Also they exempt from mny enviromental lawsw like the Clean Air And Water Act . They also donot havce to disclose what chemiclas they are using. It is all on the intetrnet but I know you dont believe it so why bother. Your comments are the smae as those who work in the industry or for their PR firms and honestly are wrong.

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7oh13voter(1200 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Metz,
No one is exempt from the Clean Air and Water Act. Please cite the legislation to support your claim.
Companies do disclose what is used in frac fluid.

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8Debbie(22 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Nope! I appreciate dry cleaning, I enjoy driving, and I fall in love again every time I indulge in a Dairy Queen treat. I DO NOT trust, believe in, or support the overbearing, underhanded practices of the gas & oil industry! Aerosols and certain cosmetics are also a scam and a sham, but that's not the point here. The point is, and will remain,....it's 2013 and there's a better way than the way that's being broadcast.
To: oh13voter.....the justly tagged "Halliburton Loophole" IS a part of the Energy Policy of 2005. It's not NOT a part of it, it IS a part of it. It exempts hydraulic fracturing and the ingredients used in the process from both the Clean Water Act ('72) and the Safe Drinking Water Act ('74).

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9Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

And you oh13voter have not provided any evidence or link to prove the loophole does not exsist. And if comanies did why then is there no info to supporet that claim.

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10UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Ban all of YukTown, it is a dump anyway. All the poorest of the poor who have their American dream on the eastside, westside, etc., paying property taxes for decades. Now they can look at their neighbors in Boardman, Coitsville, all around them cashing their oil checks everymonth. Yes indeed, step on the lowest property values in Mahoning county the Ghetto land and keep your boot on them.

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11Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

This is not about the money. Under your way of thinking the mafia should still run te area as they give money to politicans, and busniesses that help the economy. This is about the enviroment which some around hear could care less abou as long as they get rich from blood money all is well. There are other ways to make our area better, major sportts team to bring in money, technology comanies and others that are permenant. Natural gas is nonrewable and will not come back once you pan a area out. in 10 maybe 20 years it will be goon and the drilling companies will move someplace else and you wil look stupid holding your cash and chmeical laced water wondering what happended. Yopu are the ulmitamte idiot and are naive about the truth.

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12howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Here is the section that amends the Safe Drinking Water Act to exempt hydraulic fracturing; which is often referred to as the "Haliburton Loophole".

[109th Congress Public Law 58]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]

[DOCID: f:publ058.109]

[[Page 593]]

ENERGY POLICY ACT OF 2005

[[Page 119 STAT. 594]]

Public Law 109-58
109th Congress

Subtitle C--Production

SEC. 322. HYDRAULIC FRACTURING.

Paragraph (1) of section 1421(d) of the Safe Drinking Water Act (42
U.S.C. 300h(d)) is amended to read as follows:
``(1) Underground injection.--The term `underground
injection'--
``(A) means the subsurface emplacement of fluids by
well injection; and
``(B) excludes--
``(i) the underground injection of natural gas
for purposes of storage; and
``(ii) the underground injection of fluids or
propping agents (other than diesel fuels) pursuant
to hydraulic fracturing operations related to oil,
gas, or geothermal production activities.''.

And here is the link to the full document: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-109...

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13Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

And how do you say now that the loophole does not exsist, there is the proof.

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14howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Pittsburgh PA passed a Citizens Rights based ban on Hydraulic Fracturing in 2010 it is still in effect and has not been legally challenged by any company, existing businesses are still expanding and new businesses are still moving to Pittsburgh.

The Youngstown ban is a copy of the ban in Pittsburgh, so this groups claims that "The law... could be interpreted as outlawing aerosol deodorants, certain cosmetics, and existing gas and oil wells" are inaccurate at best and quite possibly bold faced lies.

The citizens of Youngstown should pay attention to the members of this group that are trying to take away
YOUR RIGHTS!

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15Metz10987(145 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah that is scare tactics from the industry now back by local polotical figures in the pockets of the drilling compnaies, Youngstown corruption at it's finest.

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16JS(552 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

“The bill doesn’t go as far as they say,” he said. “We don’t intend to go after other businesses or people.”

Ya right! The town will be their oyster and ready to be shucked if they get their way!

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17UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Metz is the classic example of the whacked out environmentalist, you can just see it in the way he writes, scary.

I'm sure he is a "taker " rather than a "producer" in life, he will never let you see his real pathetic life or who he is. The Vindy needs to mandate true identity here so we can see the authority who speak against energy.

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18GeorgeinYoungstown(76 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

A "coalition" of primarily pro-corporate Republicans, and one opportunistic Democrat.

At least they gave us a new meme:

"The Coalition of the Drilling."

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19cambridge(2949 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

The link below will tell you all you need to know about big oil and gas and it will only take a little over six minutes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns...

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20300(553 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Utica, don't ever consider yourself a "producer" because you're as far away from a productive member of society as one can get. Given your past legal problems and ridiculous business attempts, you're in no position to be denouncing others as "takers". Plus, you're not some important person when it comes to the O&G situation. You're not a major landowner, and other than the gomarcellus site, you weren't involved in any of the large negotiations that I'm aware of.

Why don't you give your actual identity? You call out others for what they should do, but why don't you turn that on yourself. Many people would recognize your name, but I doubt many would take anything you say seriously once they knew who you really are.

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21UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Doesn't seem like you are aware of anything at all 300?

For the record, why don't you come out of the closet and meet me at GoMarcellusshale.com you won't last three seconds with your self-proclaiming "I am somebody!" No you ain't, you are a figment of a fleas imagination.

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22300(553 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Ha Ha, no that's OK. I've never called anyone out to announce their identity, but I've seen you do so several times on here.

As for your gomarcellus offer, if you think I'd actually spend my time discussing anything with you, you're mistaken. You had me fooled when you first started posted on vindy, I actually thought you were a landman of some sorts, then I started to see the same writing style and self-aggrandizement on gomarcellus. The fact that you'd pride yourself on the basis of writing absurd rants on a forum, and the fact that you actually think you speak for the "landowners", says more about your own failings in life than it does about your imaginary success.

Ask yourself, what has been the reaction of some of the towns that you tried to get them to agree to let you represent them in negotiations? Which land-groups ever asked you to help advise them? Why is it that other local leaders were able to get hundreds of landowners to follow them, but you can't get anyone but some idiot who calls himself "Fang" to even reply to your posts?

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23UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I thought so, good that you read GoMarcellusshale.com notice how there are thousands of us and only a few of you radicals. Blue blood taxpaying Americans advance there without hiding in closets like you and the few takers here.

How does it feel that at anytime the Vindy can demand true identities here and you and the few will just vanish here for good. You see every sane productive individual is not ashamed of his name and is proud of their production. You and the trolls here are zero and will never come out of the closet.

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24UticaShale(850 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Now for some reality:

YSU's Biersdorfer and her ilk and trolls are pushing for the outright ban on trading and harvesting minerals owned by real estate owners large and small. This is what will result from "taking" minerals from the poorest of the poor in Youngstown:
1. The homeowner on the northside of Midlothian will be dumbfounded hearing that across the street his neighbor is paying his property tax from royalties on his .33 of an acre lot.
2. The small farmer on the eastside of 616 will look across the street and see his neighbor in Coitsville building a new barn or fencing in his new cows with capital from Hilcorp energy, while his very own small farm does not have any capital to plant this season's corn.
3. The small industrial business on the eastside of Meridian needs to buy that new machinery to compete and keep his employees and is depending on help from his minerals under his two acres. He gets it taken from him while RENU across the street gets a new parking area of concrete with their signing bonus.
Yes, our YSU's Biersdorfer really wants to help the environment by outright taking and screwing the poorest of the poor of Youngstown. What do we expect from the "Takers" of society, they know no other way. I say we take from them eliminate their jobs and all taxpayer subsidies.
Expect the trolls to attack me here for fear of losing their pork too.

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25cambridge(2949 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

uselessshrimp.....maybe you can use those containment ponds for growing shrimp. You know, kill more people with one stone.

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