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What were young voters thinking?

Published: Fri, September 28, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

What were young voters thinking?

Voting records indicate that young voters were 80 percent in favor of Obama in the last election, and it looks like it will be the same in this coming election. I heard of some of the reactions that occurred at several of the colleges following the last election, when people acted like they had just elected a god as their president. I wonder how many of these young people when they again enter the voting booth will this time apply logic rather than emotion.

In my numerous contacts with young liberals I find their philosophies to be very much alike. All their arguments appear to come from the same source and I find it difficult if not impossible to penetrate or have any effect on their train of thoughts.

As I write this we have a president who is kowtowing to the rest of the world and showing a weakness no other president has ever expressed. His liberal, far-left philosophy has caused this country to lose all respect in the eyes of the world and the inevitable monetary collapse of the greatest economy the world has ever seen.

Leon White, Columbiana


1palmer16121(116 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Leon...if you're saying young voters should vote after doing some homework, then I'd agree with you. However, once you launced into attacking President Obama, you lost me. Considering the stuff that happened from 2001-2012 in Iraq and Afghanistan...I think priorities need to be re-evaulated.

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2Rockyroad(149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Leon, you reveal quite a lot about the mind of a white man in rural America. Sorry that we turned your world upside down by electing a black man as President. I hate to tell you, the young people of this country are the best thing we have going forward. The young people of today are more open minded, less prejudiced about gender and race and able to think logically. You old white men out in the sticks are an endangered species and I for one say, "Thank God". Here is a satire about you guys that I saw in "The Onion" that really, really is more truth than not:

Gallup Poll: Rural Whites Prefer Ahmadinejad To Obama

COLUMBIANA OHIO—According to the results of a Gallup poll released Monday, the overwhelming majority of rural white Americans said they would rather vote for Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than U.S. president Barack Obama. “I like him better,” said West Virginia resident Dale Swiderski, who, along with 77 percent of rural Caucasian voters, confirmed he would much rather go to a baseball game or have a beer with Ahmadinejad, a man who has repeatedly denied the Holocaust and has had numerous political prisoners executed, than spend time with Obama. “He takes national defense seriously, and he’d never let some gay protesters tell him how to run his country like Obama does.” According to the same Gallup poll, 60 percent of rural whites said they at least respected that Ahmadinejad doesn’t try to hide the fact that he’s Muslim.

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3walter_sobchak(1910 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 40, you have no head. - Winston Churchill

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4JMHO(146 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@ Rocky:

Funny I didn't see any reference to race in the letter. Those who claim racism are usually the racists..

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5rickking123(292 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

"The young people of today are more open minded, less prejudiced about gender and race and able to think logically." All while living in their parents' basement.....

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6GoPens(397 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Something tells me that Leon is stretching the truth a bit when he says he has "numerous contacts with young liberals."

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7Rockyroad(149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Rickking...better living in their parents basement than living in the past...sorry that the world is changing too fast for you...

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8Rockyroad(149 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

JMHO...of course you say that you're not able to see where race is involved...but when you are with your Tea-Party peers Obama's race is all the buzz...that is the shame of it...in your heart you know the truth....

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9pwhite1027(106 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

To rock head:

Where did Mr. White mention anything about the color of skin in his letter? It seems you are the one who possessed a hate thought in your letter, not Mr. White. He was stating an opinion, his opinion,, not racist rubbish as you did.

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10Education_Voter(858 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The problem with the letter is that, while calling for logic, the writer offers nothing but false evidence as the base for his own vote.
Mr. Obama clearly does not possess a "far left philosophy". His policies and actions have shown him to be a centrist moderate. The U.S. has not lost respect in the eyes of the world. World polls show the U.S. to be well respected. (Perhaps the writer means that we did not bomb countries involved in civil wars into oblivion, but it is doubtful that would have raised world's opinion of us.)

The president most certainly did not cause the banking crisis, which was well underway before the inauguration.

So if none of those "facts" are the reason he is voting against Obama are real reasons....what is?

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11rickking123(292 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Hey Rockyroad. What's it like living in a basement? Funny but the past had its benefits. Higher test scores by students for one...

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12eagleye(59 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The young and the dumb. Some of the comments here are quite interesting. Having lived 8 years in Third World Countries, we're starting to look like one here in the USA. The last dictator who comes through the village promising the most free stuff is who the ignorant masses vote for. Obama essentially fits this description. Free phones, illegally relaxed welfare requirements, forever unemployment benefits, inclination to "erase" student loans in default, excessive expansion of the Pell Grant program, excessive expansion of the SCHIP programs, and I'd run out of room listing all the other freebie stuff this guy thinks he can throw out there. Name ANY President who knowingly appointed self avowed Communists, Marxists, and Socialists to cabinet positions or senior positions in an administration? I'm waiting. NONE is the answer except for Obama. And the person above, Education_Voter thinks that Obama is a centrist!!!!! They're definitely not connected to this planet since the evidence is overwhelming that he is far from centrist and in fact Obama is firmly entrenched in the world of Marxist/Socialist philsophy by his own words. Read his book.

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13cambridge(3013 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Speaking of voters, it seems as though voter fraud actually does exist and the party committing the fraud is the GOP. Who'da thought?



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14cambridge(3013 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

gdog....do you mean this one?


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15Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

"His policies and actions have shown him to be a centrist moderate. The U.S. has not lost respect in the eyes of the world. World polls show the U.S. to be well respected."

Is this the truth or a lie? Pew Research shows the following, and it pretty much invalidates that statement:


Approval of America in Muslim countries has dropped 10% to a whopping approval of 15%. There is a improvement.

China is at 43% approval, Russia is at 52% approval, Mexico is at 56%, and the Europeans are at a 60% approval, mostly because they are socialist anyway and do not disagree with Obama's socialist policies.

If that is mass world approval, then call me surprised. It seems to me about half of the world population hates us, and in particular in the Muslim countries Obama said he would improve relations with but only made worse.

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16borylie(790 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Republicans do commit fraud. That's why we should crackdown on all voting methods and demand voter ID so these republicans can't cheat anymore. Let's demand this,now!

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171loaf(100 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Before anyone gives all this support to the younger folks one should quietly attend a couple partys these people attend and maybe stop in and observe at their local hangouts. Their main topic of interest after self gratification is who will give me free stuff. No one should be allowed to vote who does not contribute to the government ie: income taxes!

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18Education_Voter(858 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Nice link! Did you not read it completely...or did you think we would not check it out?
True, the U.S. is not popular in terrorist countries, especially Pakistan after we killed Osama bin Laden and other terrorists.
Other than that, most countries have more respect for the U.S. than during the last administration. Those that don't are often concern about our weak response to global warming, which the GOP will not improve.

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19Education_Voter(858 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Attitudes toward the U.S. are generally more positive today than in 2008, the final year of the George W. Bush administration. The biggest improvements in America’s image have occurred among Europeans – in France, Spain, and Germany, the percentage of people with a positive view of the U.S. is at least 20 percentage points higher than in 2008.

In Japan, 72% currently express a favorable opinion of the U.S., up from 50% four years ago. Majorities or pluralities in 18 of 20 countries admire the U.S. for its science and technology, and most of the publics surveyed embrace American music, movies and television. Around the world, U.S. ideas about democracy and American ways of doing business have become more popular since Obama took office.

American soft power is often particularly appealing to young people. In particular, U.S. popular culture and American ideas about democracy are more popular among people under 30.
Outside of Pakistan, however, Obama consistently receives higher ratings than Bush did in 2008. This is particularly true in Western Europe and Japan, but it is also true in several predominantly Muslim nations where Obama’s ratings – while not especially high – are nonetheless more positive than his predecessor’

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20doubled(210 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

What a moron this guy is. The only mistake anyone made with their vote was putting George W Bush into office - TWICE....He allowed us to be attacked on 9-11-2001. He lied right to our faces so that he could send us into Iran to get rid of Saddam. He said to the world "bring it on" but he had neither the brains nor the balls to back up his comments. He stripped all regulations/oversight from the banks which caused the Great Recession.

Under president Obama we have 32 straight months of economic growth. Corp profits are at an all time high. The NYSE is at record levels. And we are safe under obama b/c the terrorists fear him. Do you known why? Because he orders their deaths on a daily basis. In the past 2 years he has ordered the termination of HUNDREDS of high level el quaida and taliban leaders. And unlike Bush he actually finishes the job. Bush announced to the world that he quit the fight ...Coward. Obama is a machine and they fear him.

And the baby boomer generation is the worst generation this country has EVER seen. They've accomplished NOTHING. They whine and cry about everyhting but are willing to do nothing to make anything any better. The only thing that they will be remembered for after they're gone is their unchecked GREED and SELFISHNESS.

To all you sixty - 70 yrs olds -- step aside. You've done enough fcking damage to our great nation. Now get out of our way. The future is ours.

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21slappysmith(55 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

so where does Leon find these young liberals in Columbiana? all three of them. Its a good thing he got his name right or there would have been nothing in his entire rambling that wasnt pure bs

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22slappysmith(55 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

walter sobchack? please dont use winston churchills good name to try and justify being conservative. He would have considered the the GOP no better than the Nazi's

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23ConstantineXI(1 comment)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

It is Obama who infers he is not tied to Wall Street and the 1%(yet Goldman Sachs has donated more money to Obama than any other candidate and Obama has hobnobbed repeatedly with numerous rich Hollywood stars), it is Obama who defended building of the Ground Zero Mosque, it is Obama who first said he could not “disown his pastor” of 20 years(Reverend Wright) and then disowned him when it was politically expedient, it is Obama who was taught by Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis(as he himself admits in his book), it is Obama who promised African Americans prosperity (unemployment for African Americans is at 14%), it is Obama who forced the Catholic Church to cover contraception and abortion, it is Obama who said he wouldn’t tax the middle class (yet his health law imposes a tax on people if they don’t buy health insurance and makes it harder for people to deduct medical expenses), it is Obama who promised the Bush tax cuts for people over $250,000.00 would be gone (yet Obama himself extended the Bush tax cuts for “the rich”), it is Obama who said his Cairo speech would make the Muslim world love us, it is Obama who stood idly by while the Iranian protesters were crushed, it is Obama who promised lower gas prices, it is Obama who promised unemployment would be 5% by now(the “stimulus” bill was sold by him as the cure all for unemployment), it is Obama who promised us Gitmo would be closed(Gitmo is still open), it is Obama who started a war in Libya, it is Obama who helped nudge Mubarak out of office in Egypt leading to a Muslim Brotherhood takeover, it is Obama who promised us he would reduce the deficit(it has grown by $5 trillion under him), it is Obama who promised Jewish people greater prosperity, it is Obama who promised to make the US less reliant on foreign oil(yet Obama opposes the Keystone pipeline and restricts offshore drilling and is pushing for the US to sign the Law of the Sea Treaty which would require the US to give away half of its offshore oil revenues to an international body), it is Obama who promised Hispanics immigration reform(yet when he had total control of the Congress he was silent on immigration), it is Obama who promised he would get tough on China(the US owes more money to China now than ever before), it is Obama who hailed his vice president as outstanding(Biden is a joke), it is Obama who promised Jews he would support Israel, it is Obama who promised a “new era of civility”, it is Obama who claimed the assassination of our Libyan ambassador was the result of a “spontaneous” protest even though it occurred on 9/11 and even though his administration knew within 24 hours that it was a preplanned terrorist attack, and it is Obama who promised he would bring this country together and unify us in a way we have never been unified before(America is now more divided than ever except perhaps in the Civil War). The above facts are the truth and record we must confront.

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24jeepers(127 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

OK We get it. everythingwrong was Bush's fault. Obamamanan is not responsible for ANYTHING going on in the USA. So vote your savior in- the prices of everything you like to buy will soon be out of reach. Since none of you balance a check book, you will not understand when the gov goes broke. Oh-it may take you a while to realize it, But by then your man will be done and ready to leave the office. Gasoline will be 8.00$/gal. That escalade wont go too far on your "check". Amd your check wont be worht as much as the dollar becomes less valuable. But vote Your man in. He will sure give you change.ha,ha You didnt think when he said REDISTRIBUTE the wealth that he meant YOUR wealth. Idiots love idiots-no matter the color. If a white votes for a white it is called racism. Blacks voting for a black, just because he is black. SAME thing so take your pc language and sit on it.

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25LtMacGowan(643 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Far left? you're out of your mind. Just because the GOP has gone so far to the right that it makes a centrist or maybe at most left of center politician like Obama look like a leftist. In Europe he d probably be considered a conservative compared to the Social Democratic Party or Labour.

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26Education_Voter(858 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Breathe, Constantine, Breathe.

The GOP candidate is a clunker.

The GOP chose him, not the Democrats.

(By the way --- maybe that shows that a lot of Republicans don't like the party's shift to the right right fundamentalist wing.)

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27IslandMike(752 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Under Obama:

Unemploment is down

The housing market is UP

PASSED Wall Street Reform


The Stock Market is UP

Quietly KILLED dictator Moammar

TOPPLED Hosni Mubarak

Bin Laden is DEAD


The US is OUT of Iraq

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28WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


BHO sure is lucky to have such a dedicated, enthusiastic fanbois such as yourself! It is refreshing in a way to see an ostensibly grown man throw caution and risk of accusation to the wind and just embrace this l'amour des hommes. Kudos to you for living bravely!

Don't forget- early voting is open for business- so get out there, vote early and vote often!

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29IslandMike(752 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@ Swinger,

Going to try, but I've been busy working at GM. I hate Obama for keeping Lordstown open. If Mitt would have got his way, Lordstown would be closed and I'd have more time to myself.

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30dawn421(265 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@IslandMike. lol and haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. well put

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31swhite173(3 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Young people, dont let the right wingers change your thinking. mr. romney is so disconnected he thinks that the "middle class" refers to people who make $200k per year! this multi-millionaire does not have our best interests at heart. he's so busy building a new mansion on the pacific coast that he cant remember which lie he told the last time he was interviewed.

president obama needs another term to complete the turn around that he has started in spite of the lack of cooperation from congress these past two years. the dow when obama took office was approx 8,000, now it's over 13,000!!! that says a lot right there. of course i realize there is much to be done. obama realizes that too.

romney does not care, he will say whatever he thinks you want to hear. cant you see that??

this is for those of you who dont believe president obama has done anything.....

**top 39 accomplishments**
1. Passed Health Care Reform
2. Passed the Stimulus
3. Passed Wall Street Reform
4. Ended the War in Iraq
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan
6. Eliminated Osama bin Laden
7. Saved the U.S. Auto Industry
8. Recapitalized Banks
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi
11. Told Mubarak to Go
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending
15. Created Race to the Top
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis
18. Passed Mini Stimuli
19. Began Asia “Pivot”
20. Increased Support for Veterans
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
26. Improved Food Safety System
27. Achieved New START Treaty
28. Expanded National Service29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
39. Improved School Nutrition

president obama is fair and real! please consider this when you go to vote. right-wing radio does not tell you the truth. these people are getting rich off your support and they dont care a lick about any of us.

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32jeepers(127 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I,too, as a young college student in 1972 was liberal. Knew I knew what was best for the world and all in it. It took several more elections and a lot of growing up to arrive at my current political stance. Lots of bills, family responsibilities, work if they are lucky:when the current crop of college-age liberals begin to participate in our society, many-not all-will evolve into a different political stance as most do. As long as a person is happy with status quo, there is no need to argue/try to persuade each other. We believe what we believe-even when facts can show otherwise. The "facts" we base our beliefs on are all created/controlled/manipulated by the media. So-do you really know what you think you know??????????

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33MrYikes(14 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The out of touch views of Mr. White and the comments inspired by are precisely why so many young people have fleeing the Mahoning Valley for more progressive pastures.

Who relaxed financial regulations leading to the worst financial crises since the great depression? Baby Boomers.

Who increased entitlements while decreasing government revenues? Baby Boomers.

Who lead the charge to fight two senseless and costly wars in the Middle East? Baby Boomers.

Who benefited from low cost public universities and then failed to adequately fund and control costs at those same universities leading to a massive accumulation of student loan debt for young generations? Baby Boomers.

This trend continues.

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34IslandMike(752 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


Unemployment went UP
Stock Market went DOWN
US went into Iraq and Afghanistan
Lehman Bros went Bankrupt
The banks were FAILING


Unemployment is DOWN
Stock Market is UP
Bin Laden is DEAD
US is OUT of Iraq and scaling down Afghanistan.
The banks are STABLE


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35WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

-Al Qaeda is ALIVE
-US Ambassador is DEAD
-47 million on FOOD STAMPS
-16.2 trillion dollars in DEBT
-Gasoline prices up 250%
-Grocery prices up 15%
-Income down 8.2%
-MILLIONS left the labor force
-43 months of 8%+ unemployment
-Are YOU better off now than four years ago?


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36pjohn(25 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm 22. I'm educated. I read other news sources such as the BBC and Al-Jazeera unlike most conservatives and definitely unlike most residents of Youngstown (and Columbiana) including a wannabe like Leon White who has no business generalizing young voters.

I do not like single issue voters but I will give you three things that will prevent young voters from ever voting for Willard.

1. How can you argue that gay men and women should not be allowed to marry? Just telling this to anyone outside the U.S "has caused this country to lose all respect in the eyes of the world". It's simple, there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to (in every state, not just some).

2. Ceteris paribus, I , and everyone I know, give a larger amount of our income to the government.

3. SOPA/PIPA, Keystone pipeline, Citizen's United, Voter ID's, Planned Parenthood

Also, it's called "Inflation". "Back in my day sonny, you could buy gas for a nickel"--- A baby boomer

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37WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


Since you are "educated" you'll probably know where to look up the word "hubris."

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38pjohn(25 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


Oh I'm sorry. I will post something uninformative and unrelated next time. I forgot how this works. Thanks!

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39WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


The only thing I see is that a twenty two year old college grad seem to be capable of little less than regurgitating what their looney liberal union leftist profs fed to them. Do you have any independent thoughts on these matters or any other? And the hubris to think the collective "wisdom" of a young college graduate amounts to more than a cup of hot coffee is almost unbelievable. For example, you claim your post is "related" and "informative." Your top priority it seems is about people that gratify themselves through homosexuality "needing" to get "married." You think this is "related" and "informative?" Were you AWAKE through the Chik-fil-A debacle this summer? Americans do not agree with you.

How about paying attention instead to the issues Americans are concerned about this election like being able to feed their families and keep the taxes paid on their home and keep the lights on. This is what I am saying about being "young" and "thinking" that the same thin, plastic issues from the campus are concerning Americans in their homes. Newsflash. Most Americans do not care a whit about who sticks what where and what other folks do in their bedrooms. We are all too busy trying to make things happen for ourselves and our families in this terrible economy and making sure we don't elect another "leader" that does little aside from making our lives more difficult for looney leftist pipe dreams.

I mean no offense with the references to youth at all. I used to get really upset when people thought my opinions weren't worth anything because I was young.

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40pjohn(25 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

I second Saddad's comment.

Swinger-- First, you calling me arrogant for voicing my opinion is what I meant when I said I will post something uninformative and unrelated, like you did.

Second- To be honest, I don't care about gay marriage either way.I just feel bad that they are being discriminated. I gave general examples of issues that I and other young voters are concerned about.

Third- My top priority, as a college student, whose opinion is not worth more than a cup of coffee, is student loan interest rates which Mitt Romney openly says he will raise. Newsflash, I don't own a house thus don't really care about your house. Just as you don't have student loans so you don't care about it. The point is young people are voting for Obama because he is doing more for us.

I don't know why I even bother sometimes...
"I mean no offense with the references to youth at all. I used to get really upset when people thought my opinions weren't worth anything because I was young."

"And the hubris to think the collective "wisdom" of a young college graduate amounts to more than a cup of hot coffee is almost unbelievable."

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41WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago


I was trying to be reasonable yet assertive with truthful positions and statements of decency. You rebut with little beyond attacks. You ARE filled with hubris and your opinions as a young college graduate aren't worth nearly what you think they are. These are simple facts. If you want to debate the facts presented someday then go ahead. Otherwise a discussion with you is about as pointless as painting a sinking boat. Now go get your shinebox.


"It wasnt because you were young that people thought your opinions weren't worth anything."

Learn how to read and comprehend you illiterate cretin. I said that I used to get upset when people dismissed my opinion BECAUSE I WAS YOUNG. Do you get it yet sweetheart? Geebuis. Fox News Derangement Syndrome is pathetic. You are

You know, the two of you make a decent couple. You are both steeped in the same losing political ideologies and you both Heil! from the party of persons that love to gratify themselves through homosexuality. Maybe you two could get that "marriage" that "equality" demands and show the world your love. Good luck together! Let me know where the "wedding" is held and I'll throw some rice on the day of your "nuptials."

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42dawn421(265 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

No William you are rude and condescending. Anyone on here that comments differ from yours you repeatedly bash. You call us uneducated, even though we did attend college.you act so supperior to anyone here that is not a Republican. In the blue collar working world you come off as a pompous a$$.

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