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Published: Tue, October 23, 2012 @ 12:10 a.m.


Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama answer questions during the third and final presidential debate at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla., on Monday.

Associated Press


President Barack Obama sharply challenged Mitt Romney on foreign policy in their final campaign debate Monday night, accusing him of “wrong and reckless leadership that is all over the map.” The Republican coolly responded, “Attacking me is not an agenda” for dealing with a dangerous world.

With just 15 days remaining in an impossibly close race for the White House, Romney took the offensive, too. When Obama said the U.S. and its allies have imposed crippling sanctions on Iran to halt nuclear weapons development, the Republican challenger responded that the U.S. should have done more. He declared repeatedly, “We’re four years closer to a nuclear Iran.”

Though their third and last face-to-face debate was focused on foreign affairs, both men reprised their campaign-long disagreements over the U.S. economy — the top issue by far in opinion polls — as well as energy, education and other domestic issues.

The two men did find accord on more than one occasion when it came to foreign policy.

Each stressed unequivocal support for Israel when asked about a U.S. response if the Jewish state were attacked by Iran.

“If Israel is attacked, we have their back,” said Romney — moments after Obama vowed, “I will stand with Israel if Israel is attacked.”

Both also said they oppose direct U.S. military involvement in the efforts to topple Syrian President Bashir Assad.

The debate produced none of the finger-pointing and little of the interrupting that marked the presidential rivals’ debate last week, when Obama needed a comeback after a listless performance in their first meeting on Oct. 3.

The final debate behind them, both men are embarking on a home-stretch whirlwind of campaigning. The president is slated to speak in six states during a two-day trip that begins Wednesday and includes a night aboard Air force One as it flies from Las Vegas to Tampa. Romney intends to visit two or three states a day.

Already 4 million ballots have been cast in early voting in more than two dozen states.

Obama appears on course to win states and the District of Columbia that account for 237 of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory. The same is true for Romney in states with 191 electoral votes. The battlegrounds account for the remaining 110 electoral votes: Florida (29), North Carolina (15), Virginia (13), New Hampshire (4), Iowa (6), Colorado (9), Nevada (6), Ohio (18) and Wisconsin (10).

On Monday night, Obama said more than once that Romney had been “all over the map” with his positions. And not necessarily putting new distance between the two men. In fact, Romney offered rare praise for the administration’s war efforts in Afghanistan.

The former Massachusetts governor said the 2010 surge of 33,000 U.S. troops was a success and asserted that efforts to train Afghan security forces are on track to enable the U.S. and its allies to put the Afghans fully in charge of security by the end of 2014. He said that U.S. forces should complete their withdrawal on that schedule; previously he has criticized the setting of a specific withdrawal date.

When it came to Iran, Romney stressed that war is a last option to prevent Tehran from developing a nuclear weapon, softening the hawkish tone that had been a hallmark of his campaign.

And Romney barely addressed the simmering dispute over the administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

But the debate was hardly all sweetness and light.

On the Middle East, Romney said that despite early hopes, the ouster of despotic regimes in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere over the past year has resulted in a “rising tide of chaos.” He said the president has failed to come up with a coherent policy to grapple with change sweeping the region, and he added ominously that an al-Qaida-like group has taken over northern Mali.

Anticipating one of Obama’s most frequent campaign assertions, Romney said of the man seated nearby, “I congratulate him on taking out Osama bin Laden and taking on the leadership of al-Qaida. But we can’t kill our way out of this mess. ... We must have a comprehensive and robust strategy.”

More than a half hour later, Obama returned to the subject, saying that Romney had once said it wasn’t worth moving heaven and earth to catch one man, a reference to the mastermind behind the 9/11 terror attacks.

“You said we should ask Pakistan for permission,” Obama said. “And if we had asked Pakistan permission, we would not have gotten him. And it was worth moving heaven and earth to get him.”

The president said he had ended the war in Iraq, was on a path to end the U.S. combat role in Afghanistan and has vowed to bring justice to the Benghazi attackers.

He also jabbed at Romney’s having said during the campaign that Russia is the United States’ No. 1 geopolitical foe.

“Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy you seem to want the policies of the 1980s, just like you want to import the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies in the 1920s,” Obama said.

Obama took a mocking tone after Romney, criticizing the administration’s Pentagon budget, said disapprovingly the U.S. Navy has fewer ships than at any time since the end of World War I.

“I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military has changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them.”

The televised debate brought no cessation to other campaigning.

Obama’s campaign launched a television ad in Florida that said the president ended the war in Iraq and has a plan to do the same in Afghanistan, accusing Romney of opposing him on both. It was not clear how often the ad would air, given the fall’s overall focus on the economy.

Vice President Joe Biden, campaigning in Canton, Ohio, emphasized differences between the two candidates on the war in Afghanistan.

“We will leave Afghanistan in 2014, period. They say it depends,” he said. “Ladies and gentlemen, like everything with them, it depends. It depends on what day you find these guys.”

Romney’s running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, was in Colorado. “We are in the midst of deciding the kind of country we’re going to be, the kind of people we’re going to be, for a generation,” he said.

Whatever the outcome of the final face-to-face confrontation, the debates have left an imprint on the race. Romney was widely judged the winner of the first debate over a listless president on Oct. 3, and he has risen in polls in the days since. Obama was much more energetic in the second.

Monday night marked the third time in less than a week that the president and his challenger shared a stage, following the feisty 90-minute town-hall-style meeting last Tuesday on Long Island and a white-tie charity dinner two night later where gracious compliments flowed and barbs dipped in humor flew.


1IslandMike(764 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Obama put Mitt-Flopper in his place by making him look like an inexperienced fool in the final debate!!

The US is OUT of IRAQ
Unemployment is DOWN
the Stock Market is UP


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2MLC75(661 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Island Mike you are a loser !

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3saddad(655 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Thats quite an argument you put together there MLC75. Did you stay up all night working on it?

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4MLC75(661 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

@pathic dad,did you stay up all night to comment on my comment ?

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5taxme(361 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Omni show he doesn't know anything about foreign policy and will really get us into a huge mess just like Bush did. thank God Obama or for you racist Allah, is President

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6peacelover(839 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

good point taxme. Mitt the Flip Flop (aka Bush III) looked like a deer caught in the headlights last night.

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7Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

You people are a trip. Who won or lost in a debate. Really? So what'll you get out of this final debate? Any "real" answers? All I heard was what one would do and the other saying what he done. And you people tripping about who won or lost. That is funny. Bottom line: Nothing came out of this debate (or the other 2) that these guys haven't said in the past 6 months campaigning. Same old arguments, it's actually pretty funny. Can't wait till this is all over in less then 2 weeks.

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8endthismess(464 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

IslandMike...and.... HeMyPO.....are you both registered to vote? And if so, can you both read the ballot???? Thinking this will all be too stressful of an event for you both. Good luck!!

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9endthismess(464 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

"Oh-Mammaaaa" looked like a mad at the world, p-ohed muslim, with a chip on his shoulder..... like...wellllllll, there's goes allllll my tax payer paid personal plane rides around the world! This gig is really gonna wrap up! But...."I'm still getting the pension and attention"

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10anothermike(227 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Willard agreed with most of Obama's foreign policies simply because he had to.....It's being handled correctly....the alternative would be foot soldiers (ours) sent to Syria, Libya and Egypt. Even Willard wasn't dumb enough to take that position during the debate, although he he implied that during his flip-flopping campaign speeches. He does know how "jobs go", his cohorts at Bain Capital did it more than once. He claims Government doesn't create jobs, yet he blames this administration for an unemployment rate that is the same as it was when George W. was in the White House.....can't have it both ways, Willard!!!

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11walter_sobchak(2724 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

As much as Barack Hussein Obama and Bob Schieffer tried, they just couldn't get Romney to take the bait to make him look unsteady and non-presidential. The president started out smiling but within a short time, had a look of disgust. While I personally would have bashed the President about the lies and cover-up regarding Libya, Romney understands that he is fighting for the votes from the last 2% to 3% of Americans. Romney has now proved over the three debates that he can and will handle the job with good leadership skills.

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12IslandMike(764 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Obama made Mitt look foolish when he told him that we are not playing battleship, but we actually use a STRATEGY when it comes to defense. Obama also made Mitt to be a liar when the clown talked aout cutting taxes and increasing defense spending AND balancing the budget.

GM - Lordstown would be CLOSED if Mitt-Flopper had been in office. They NEVER would have reemerged from a public bankruptcy. NEVER. They would be out of business forever, just like Lehman Brothers and unemployment would be over 20%.

OBAMA saved GM and the Cruze is #1.

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13redeye1(5669 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Do any of you know when BO (BLAME OTHERS) is BSing you? When he opens his mouth.

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14jojuggie(1725 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

It's the economy stupid.

IM just don't get it. Every time you pick up the newspaper you read of more layoffs. Sometimes big & sometimes small.

Transamerica Life insurance to lay off 96. Tampa Tribune to reduce pay, cut jobs, Caterpillar says the world's economy is weaker than it thought. Third quarter income at Hasbro fell. Existing home sales dropped 1.7% in Sept. Bank America 3rd quarter profit fell 95%, Google profit fell 20%, McDonalds earnings fell 3.5%, The US Postal Service hit its $15 BILLION borrowing limit from the Treasurey in Sept for the 1st time in it s history.

That is just one days report. These kinds of reports are daily reports. It's very rare to get good news. Many companies are loaded with cash but are afraid to expand or hire more people because of uncertainty of Obama & Obamacare.

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15Politico(28 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

It's fun to watch the Dems flop around and can't stand the facts. It's like the DNC gives these people a daily enema of the same old talking points. Kind of like getting a flu shot. It seems to inoculate them from the facts. FACT: Romney said he would take GM through a STRUCTURED Bankruptcy like Chrysler did under Lee Iacocca. They would have been given loan guarantees, no tax payer money to loose, no union chunk of the company, wouldn't have killed the obligation to the legal bondholders who lost millions. The FACTS are out there on the news today and OBAMA is a liar...again. Any you that believe his crap are brain dead or can't read. Here's another chant from you morons: "...take us back to the failed policies that got us in the this mess." GUESS WHAT, CLOWNS, the policies that caused the financial collapse was the end result of the Community Reinvestment Act passed under Jimmy Carter. Dems. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd went full bore in forcing banks by way of their respective House and Senate Banking Committees, to give loans to people with no down payment money, no assets, no credit, and no ability to pay the mortgages. They were allowed to walk away, throw the markets into collapse, and the rest of us pick up the tab. Don't believe me, just check the YouTube videos under Fannie Mae, or Barney Frank testimony, or Bush administration. You will find multiple videos of Bush administration officials as early as 2002 calling for an audit or increased scrutiny of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to get their stuff under control. They had officials come to congress many times to express the danger and alarm about this, and Barney Frank and Dodd's committes and the rest of the DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED CONGRESS DID NOTHING. THEY SAID EVERYTHING WAS FINE, AND FRANK TOLD PEOPLE TO KEEP INVESTING IN FANNIE MAE. HE KNEW THE DANGER, AND HIS GAY BOYFRIEND WAS AN OFFICIAL AT FANNIE MAE. So, if you people think that the economic problems are solely caused by Bush, you have a near fatal case of crainial-rectumitis.

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16VindyPost(436 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

President Obama dominated the last two debates; was sound and concrete. His leadership as Commander and Chief is confident and competent. Romney, is again, out of touch and resembled a student learning many issues whom struggled with foreign policy. Romney danced around with scattered thoughts and gave no signs of leadership skills. He showed up- took the test- but failed it.
Romney is extremely weak and President Obama has revealed his strength.

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17DwightK(1537 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Obama took Romney to school on foreign affairs. There's a lot more to it than being tough and speaking loudly. Romney showed that he didn't have a clue. And what was up with that line about how many ships the navy has? Doesn't he know it's what the ship can do rather than how many we have?

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18jojuggie(1725 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

I wonder what the last 2 posters were smoking when they watched the debates?

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19cambridge(4149 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

republican politicians have definitely cornered the market on flop sweat.

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20nascar74(43 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

IslandMike. Give it a break. There is much more to the Mahoning Valley than Lordstown. I didn't see the government bailout any mom and pop stores that had to close. Because of people like you, I will never buy a GM car.

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21jojuggie(1725 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

This is an addendum to my previous post (461)

Talk about poor earnings, Dupont plans to layoff 1500, 3M has weak earnings, as does Xerox, and Radio Shack is reporting a loss.


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22Thomas1(14 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago


So Romney's "to" dumb for you?

Comedy gold - comedy gold.

Keep voting democrat! Look at how much the democrats in office have done for the Valley.

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23uselesseater(229 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Simply useless waste of 90 minutes of my life.

These two guys should be running together. Vast majority of issues weren't disagreed upon.

I for one an tired of the Israel nation appearing in our election process (including spending big PAC money to run Obama ads).

Last night the two stooges kept going on and on about Israel. Had to be dozens of mentions of Israel collectively.

Some tough love for China from Romney (which is long overdue).

But both missed entire continents and problems there, like namely Africa and the issue of illegal immigration into Northern Africa and Europe. Plenty of government wars and instability in many places in Africa.

Why won't the rigged debates allow the other ticket candidates into the debates?

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24anothermike(227 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

"some tough love for china from Romney"?? Really? The bulk of his fortune of late has been the result of corporate raiding of American companies by his company and shipping jobs to the Orient. Obama, Hillary and Biden are not now, and never were corporate raiders. Biden was in the Senate when Ryan was probably still in diapers. Surely, there are some dems that engage in the same business antics as Romney has in the past, but not these three. Keep all Americans in liveable wage jobs and many of these economic headaches will quickly disappear......

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25Jive_Turkey(32 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? As a college grad, I'm still paying student loans. My take-home pay isn't enough to save any money - I live from pay check to pay check. My fuel expenses are more than double what they were 4 years ago and I drive the same vehicle and the same amount of miles. Costs at the grocery store are higher, clothing is higher, taxes are higher, everything is more than 4 years ago.

This isn't Bush's fault. This has been developing for years. But I expected within the last 4 years, after being told about all the "change" that was going to incur, and the "hope" I was promised and how that all went out the window.

I'm sick of being in the working poor category. People without jobs who leech the system make more than I do and get to stay home to watch Judge Judy.

I'm voting for REAL CHANGE in two weeks, I think you should too.

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26grand4dad(219 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Last night Mr. Romney agreed with the President on almost all the foreign policy issues and said he believed these situations were handled correctly and he would continue on the same path. Why then does he feel the need to pump so many more billions of dollars into our military budget when the military isn't requesting more money and we are in such debt already?? Until last night I was still an undecided vote. But these last two debates have convinced me that the President is on the right path. It is just taking longer than anyone thought to get us out of the mese created by W. I am voting for Obama.

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27nascar74(43 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

FLHTCUI - where do you come up with the KKK remarks. Why do you have to play the race card. Obama has done nothing positive in the last 4-years. He personally did not get Bin Laden. He bailed out the auto industry - big deal. Small businesses are going under everyday while GM owes us, the taxpayers, but are still giving out bonuses. And God forbid the Republicans have a news channel that backs them. The Dems have ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS and off course, the union propaganda pushing Vindicator.

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28DOLE2(595 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

If this guy gets re elected I gaurantee it will be impossible to find anyone to admit they voted for him 2 years from now! President Romney will SAVE this nation!

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29redeye1(5669 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

FLHTCUI Are you worried like BO , because now you are bringing in the race card.

Island Mike Now who is the real flip flopper? BO is of course because one minute he's black and then the next minute he's white. So which is he? I wouldn't have brought in the race card but your pal FHTCUI did, so that means I could too.

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30rocky14(839 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

How can Willard save this country when he isn't going to be President?

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31IslandMike(764 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago


you're one of the few who have noticed. I've always referred to him as The Mitt-Flopper. If he was so great as a one term governor in Massachusetts, then why aren't the people of his state going to vote for him as President?

I see Bill Clinton EVERYWHERE, where is George Bush and Cheney? I know, they're HIDING! They're no longer guarded by the Secret Service but by the U.S. Marshal's, those two jokers are in the Witless Protection Program.

Obama put Mitt-Flopper in his place last night!!

Bin Laden is DEAD


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32nascar74(43 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

ISLANDMIKE - Grow up. FLHTCUI - Don't lump all the Republicans together when it comes to racism. My vote for Romney has nothing to do with the color of ones skin. It has to do with what is best for this country. Yes country, not GM alone or Bin Laden. There are several threats to national security everyday, by multiple people. I am so tired of the Dems hanging their hat on the auto bailout when so many others are unemployeed or under-employeed. If you want Obama, go for it and quit reverting back to Bush. Get over it already.

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33uselesseater(229 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago


You ought to watch Dreams of my Real Father. That movie real convincing.

Especially the parts about Obama's mother and swinger communist wanna be father.

I can see from that how Obama would want to hide his birth certificate and confuse people into believing he was born in Africa. That is far better than the public discussing Frank Marshall Davis being perhaps Obama's biological father.

We know from Davis' venture into the pornography world what his living room looked like (since he shot tons of gals there). Then we have this nagging issue with a gal that is a spitting image to Barrack's mother in some nudie photos.

Yep, better to be an African birth than the son of an infamous Communist trouble maker and man of very questionable intents (being outwardly racist amongst them).

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34uselesseater(229 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Plus of course you have Barrack's furniture salesman grandfather (ahh you mean CIA) being Marshall's best buddy.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear these elections were all coups by the CIA.

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35AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

""If Obama is re-elected, in two years none of you will admit you even voted for him. You'll just be too embarrassed""

Thats sounds like asking a repub if they voted for Bush. Most say they are sorry they voted for him, well the ones who actually admit it.

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36Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago


""Then Michele can be proud of her new country.""


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37WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago


President O-Blame-Bush stinks. Even if he did do some good things it was like polishing brass on the Titanic. Look at all the other great things he did:

-Al Qaeda is ALIVE
-Gasoline prices up 250%
-47 million on FOOD STAMPS
-Grocery prices up 15%
-16.2 trillion dollars in DEBT
-MILLIONS left the labor force
-43 months of 8%+ unemployment
-Income down 8.2%
-Ambassador DEAD
-Benghazi cover up.
-Fast n Furious cover up
-Billions wasted on fraudulent "green" projects

King O-Blame-Everyone-Else has to GO!

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38WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

The complete list of Green Energy Failures. Take a look at the taxpayer money waster on these "green" turkeys by President O-Blame-Everyone-Else-a:

1 Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
2 SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3 Solyndra ($535 million)*
4 Beacon Power ($69 million)*
5 AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
6 Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
7 SunPower ($1.5 billion)
8 First Solar ($1.46 billion)
9 Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
10 EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
11 Amonix ($5.9 million)
12 National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
13 Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
14 Abound Solar ($374 million)*
15 A123 Systems ($279 million)*
16 Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
17 Johnson Controls ($299 million)
18 Schneider Electric ($86 million)
19 Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
20 ECOtality ($126.2 million)
21 Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
22 Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
23 Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
24 Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
25 Range Fuels ($80 million)*
26 Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
27 Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
28 LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
29 UniSolar ($100 million)*
30 Aure Dynamics ($120 million)*
31 GreenVolts ($500,000)
32 Vestas ($50 million)
33 LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)
34 Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
35 Navistar ($10 million)
36 Satcon ($3 million)*

*Companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

Reproduced from http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/p...

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39WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

And take a look at the rich history of the democrat party of HATRED and BIGOTRY:

The Democrat Party

-Fought for slavery
-Began the Civil War
-Founded the Ku Klux Klan
-Created Jim Crow
-Levied poll taxes
-Fought against Civil Rights
-Insured Japanese internment

The Democrats have been working to keep minorities on the plantation and in chains for 250 years!!

Take a look at this:


NO MINORITY SHOULD EVER VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT. Vote for the people that always helped and stood by your side in your search for Freedom and Liberty- Republicans.

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40IslandMike(764 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

Bill Clinton is EVERYWHERE while Bush and DICK Cheney continue to hide. The reason you no longer see Sarah Palin anywhere is because she is ashamed about getting caught having a sexual relationship with former NBA player Glen Rice. The racist righties will have none of that. As for gas prices being up, I guess we could INVADE Iraq again and force prices back down, I mean what's a few thousand American lives as long as it saves us six or seven hundred bucks a year at the pump? You Neo-Cons are always the first to start a war and the last to fight in one. Yep, those Bush era tax cuts sure did help the economy. Where are those 'job creators?' I haven't seen any since we implemented those tax cuts.

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41Bigben(1996 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago


"The Democrat Party

-Fought for slavery
-Began the Civil War
-Founded the Ku Klux Klan
-Created Jim Crow
-Levied poll taxes
-Fought against Civil Rights
-Insured Japanese internment

The Democrats have been working to keep minorities on the plantation and in chains for 250 years!!"

Actually the democrats were republicans and the republicans were democrats at that time. In other words Lincoln was a liberal and the south were full of conservatives. Just about any Civil War historian will tell you the same thing. Just thought I would point that out.

Frankly today I don't think either party on a whole is all that different on many major issues. They have both been whores for corporations and banks at our expense with exceptions in both parties. Enjoy the one party - I mean two party system folks.

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42tonyjr28(2 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I grew up in Youngstown and left just as the steel mills were failing. I moved to California and started a clothing business. I did it with ''no government help''. I created a business that employed 60 young people and helped put them through college. Several of them keep in touch and many have gone on to build their own business's. Creating jobs is what makes this country move forward. Bigger government involvement = smaller citizen. A vote for Romney is a vote for a better America no matter where you live.

Tony Horvat

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