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Double homicide in Youngstown



Published: Wed, May 16, 2012 @ 12:08 a.m.
  Youngstown Double Homicide

Youngstown police found two people shot to death in a East Avondale home Tuesday.

Youngstown police found two people shot to death in a East Avondale home Tuesday.

By John W. Goodwin Jr.

jgoodwin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

There was an outpouring of tears, anguish and anger when police and the coroner removed two bodies from a house at 240 E. Avondale Ave.

Capt. Mark Milstead of the Youngstown police said officers were called to the house shortly after 12:30 p.m. Tuesday and found two people, a man and a woman, dead in an upstairs bedroom. Both had been shot, he said.

Police said the female victim is Juanetta Franklin, 17, and the male is Pako Lacey, 20.

Police at the scene were forced to call for backup officers from Youngstown and Boardman to control the crowd that quickly grew to more than 100 people. Many of those in the crowd claimed to be family members and became highly emotional when the bodies were taken out of the house.

Several women collapsed in grief and tears and were comforted by others standing nearby.

One man emerged from the house, shortly after the bodies had been removed, carrying a blood-splattered foam mattress screaming that someone murdered his cousin as the cousin lay in bed sleeping. He said the bloodied mattress was all that was left.

Shortly after police cleared the house, more blood-splattered bedding was removed and placed on the curb outside the dwelling.

Mike Dowdy, 47, said Lacey is a member of his family as were many of the people who were standing in the crowd gathered outside. He helped to keep the crowd calm, but struggled to understand why someone would kill the 20-year-old man.

“He was a good kid. He really didn’t bother anybody. That’s why nobody understands how the door got kicked in and he gets gunned down,” Dowdy said. “Whatever this is about, it had to be something personal, maybe some girl or something.”

About two hours after leaving the house, police were called back to the same address for people fighting. No one was arrested in the aftermath. Police noted there still were multiple people standing around the area grieving when they cleared the area a second time.

The slayings are the 11th and 12th homicides in 2012. The city recorded only four homicides by this time in 2011.


Comments

1mistert(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

maybe if they kept these killers in jail longer we wouldnt have all these serial killers.

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2danikytn(248 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Why was a 16 year old girl with a 20 year old man in the first place, she shouldve been in school. Whomever went in there, went in for something, and knew what they were looking for. Lets not be naive here. This is just another example of what happens when people dont raise their kids right. Youngstown will NEVER be anything more than it is at this very moment, and to think otherwise is foolhardy.

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3DAWABBIT(30 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Life in Youngstown many times revolves around drugs. Crack is taking a back seat to heroin. Pako Lacey was very familiar with heroin. Was the killing the end result of dealing in heroin?

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

06/15/2011 JE> UPON MOTION OF THE STATE PURSUANT TO RULE 11 PLEA NEGOTIATIONS AND IN RETURN FOR A PLEA OF GUILTY TO THE AMENDED INDICTMENT. THE INDICTMENT IN THIS CASE IS HEREBY AMENDED AS FOLLOWS: COUNT ONE IS AMENDED TO ONE COUNT OF POSSESSION OF HEROIN ORC 2925.11(A)(C)(6)(b) F4.

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4Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

"“He was a good kid. He really didn’t bother anybody. That’s why nobody understands how the door got kicked in and he gets gunned down,” Dowdy said. “Whatever this is about, it had to be something personal, maybe some girl or something.”"

Or maybe drugs??

Full Name LACEY, PAKO

Address
MAHONING COUNTY JUSTICE
240 E AVONDALE
City/State/Zip YOUNGSTOWN OH

Attorney(s)
ROHRBAUGH II, ROBERT J

Jurisdiction YOUNGSTOWN MUNI COUR
Case Information
Action Code 292511
Description POSSESSION OF DRUGS
Degree of Off. F4

Prosecutor GAINS, PAUL J.
Judge KRICHBAUM, R. SCOTT

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5Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Pako Lacey, 19, East Avondale, trafficking in heroin, and possession of cocaine.

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6danikytn(248 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

like i said, they knew what he had, they got in and took what they wanted, no one is going to tell the police he was a heroin dealer, so instead theyll play it like this was a random robbery, i dont think so...What makes me mad is that this was so close to a school, people should be ashamed of putting innocent little ones at risk...

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7redvert(2075 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

“He was a good kid. He really didn’t bother anybody" Give us a break!

After reading all these posts including the police records, I would say that the real story has been pretty well covered. But as usual, the neighborhood doesn't have a clue!!!

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8redvert(2075 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Seriously, what is the record for killings in one year in Ytown? Are we on pace to set a new record? Rather pathetic if we are!

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9Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

longrod

You make a great point.

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10yng00128(67 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

16 and over is legal in the state of Ohio..so on that aspect he was not breaking the law

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11Realityis(2 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I just have to comment. Now to be real the point of the story is to keep you informed not for annoymous people to make smart comments. Two young people were killed! does it matter why she was not in school well maybe she graduated already she was 17 you know. does it matter if he sold heroine because truth is somebody has always been selling it and will always be selling it. FYI it does not make him a bad person who deserved to get killed because he sold drugs it makes him a young man who makes Bad descions. should a 17 yr old be with a 20yr old NO but that doesnt make it ok they were murdered. why was the question asked about the crowd was they all on lunch break? if somebody you know and love died would you still be at work or would you leave and go see what happened or whats going on maybe they worked the afternoon shift or midnight maybe they work a split shift during the day who the h*** are you to question what they are doing not at work why are you not working instead of commenting? myself i work the split shift. would it have made it better if they both were 17 or they both were 20. and i think it has nothing to do with whether or not you were a good parent because kids will ultimately end up doing what they want. when making comments put yourself in the same situation these were someones children babies brothers sisters grandchildren nieces nephew cousin somebody loved these people and the crowd that needed to be controlled proves that and no matter what they are no longer here to hug see kiss talk to etc. Regardless of what they did previously they were the VICTIMS does not matter if they were black, white, purple, brown, yellow or whatever they were human lives that was taken.........
however i do agree with the fact that somebody knows something with that fact that most people are not completely innocent throughout their whole lives that is what life is about making mistakes and learning from them. but i did not know either of the victims personally so i can not pass judgment nor can any of you who commented. live your life cause it could easily be you dealing with this situation or perhaps be the situation. FYI they are patrolling ytown just not really caring too much. and people who make comments like the above ones are part of the problem and just maybe these public records are to blame that blatantly puts up for everyone to see someones address known address etc. see how easy you found it. Reality is the victims are be blamed for getting murdered and nobody has mentioned the MURDERER.

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12DAWABBIT(30 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm sure that the killer is well known to many in that group of 100 who were milling about. How many in that crowd have a vested interest in drug sales?

Now let's get the information to YPD so that the killer will be brought to justice. I'm sure that the two who lost their lives would want to see justice served.

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13peggygurney(399 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Wasn't it reported not too long ago that violent crime is down in Youngstown?

Where the hell did they get those figures? 12 killings in 5 months tells a totally different story.

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14Realityis(2 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Uncommonsense, as i stated i dont know either 1 of the victims personally, but do believe people can change and people do what they need to do at times. but i disagree with you it does NOT make anyone a bad person because they sold drugs it means they make BAD DESCIONS. just as well yes chose a life of crime there are risk but that still does not give anyone the right to take someones life. Bad decsions is not a crime in itself FOR ALL any of us know he could have been the worst individual that existed but then again. @ dwabbit yes they probly do know the killer hell 1 of them could have been the killer, and some of them could have been involved in drugs selling or on them but the questions are hypothetical and still who and what you know also does not make you a bad person.
i know people who sold drugs i know people who changed i know people who were on drugs and they changed i know many people who was murdered i know people who were murderers. i have all and all this does not make me a bad person i chose not to live like that and do those things i made it does not make me any better or in the position to judge. it all is just ridiculous and senseless. what about the people who dont sell drugs but end up getting killed is it their fault if i get raped is it my fault?

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15DwightK(1266 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Realityis, you have to understand that the people commenting here want a better place to live. They are sick of the violence in their community. They are tired of seeing young people gunned down because they make terrible decisions. So yeah, you're going to see questions about this guy's criminal record and you're going to see questions about why this girl wasn't in school. If the community didn't ask those questions it would mean they didn't care.

People are fed up with seeing this kind of thing in their community. We all know that if people just made better choices we wouldn't have this violence.

We're all sorry these two kids were killed or we wouldn't comment. It's shame for sure but it wouldn't be in vain if others saw the outcome of these bad decisions and gave some thought as to how they live their lives.

By the way, I'm guessing this wasn't a simple robbery. Burglars steal things. They hardly ever carry guns and kill people over TV's and XBoxes. They run away rather than fight.

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16macieanderson(3 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

People who are posting his information on here, first I want to say. Gain a sense of privacy and respect. Secondly I want to say, Just because he made bad decisions , major mistakes , does not mean someone can play God and take his life. And his friends life as well. Youngstown may have a high murder / crime rate , but it isn't the ONLY place with crime and murder , you want a better place to live , what the hell are you doing , other than judging two deceased , to change Youngstown. Honestly , if you not putting your words in to help change it , then your words are best left unsaid.
Saying their murders were their own fault. Maybe decisions they made did have an influence on it, but none the less , its not right. If your mother or friend or someone close to you died or was killed , you're saying its their fault, just because he or she mde a mistake. Smh. Shut up. Classless and senseless co ments need to be kept in your head and not on here. Have some respect.

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17DAWABBIT(30 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's look at the facts. Pako Lacey is busted for heroin in 06/15/2011. Plea deal gets him down to ONE COUNT OF POSSESSION OF HEROIN. Less than one year later his isn't in jail and is gunned down. Whatever information that he gave up on that plea deal has made some one mad enough to kill him.

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18bfpeer(26 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to say Realtyis,many people on here just love to write things for their pure amusement to stir things up in the pot. You are a compasionate person pay no attention to people like Uncommonsense because lets face it that person doesn't have any common sense.
Sorry DwightK people have gotten killed over game systems!
Anyway it doesn't matter if one of the victims had a crimminal past or not. Did he Murder anyone if the answer was No which it probably is then he should have not been murdered. Also, the young lady was only three years on age difference it might have been less,so how many people are dating someone three years older or younger is that a crime. Age of consent in Ohio is 16. I was wondering about the aschool thing too but then I thought, she might have already graduated or went to lifeskills or even some programs are half a day. The one thing all you people who are so noisy and worried about it never thought of they could have been killed at night because they were in bed. Therefore, He didn't go to work and she wouldnt go to school.Don't ever judge a murdered victim if you don't personally know them. What if it was you!

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19busyman(239 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Realityis that reality isn't. Wake up you do gooders that think this is the norm. Oh yes in the hood it is the norm. We in the burbs do not even flinch when we see this happen. We have taken this as the way they wish to live their lives. I think it is time to go down to the new family center at the church and pray for nore mo violence. Get real parents! Stop trying to get more tatts then your illegitiment babies and raise them to be law bidding citizens. Most of you have doomed them since birth, not all. This was not a drive by where inocent children were gunned down. The bible states, "That thou shall reap what thou sow".

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20bfpeer(26 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to tell you busyman in the bible it also tells you your words will condem you. From what I'm seeing even You need to step back and practice what you preach. Also, Only God can judge you not some people who dont have anything better to do with their lives but speak ill about others. Remember before you quote the script read your comment and make sure that you are not contradicting yourself. Many people can read and the bible. It's what you do with God's message that counts. Here on earth we are not perfect, we make many mistakes! We need to trust in the lord and ask him for forgiveness, for eternal salvation and begin to live life more godly each day. We still will make mistakes because we are human. But the evil that is surrounding these comments is uncalled for!

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21macieanderson(3 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

busyman, you're so full of yourself . You live in the Burbs , murders happen there as well . You're saying that their murders were their own faults . Smh , well if that's the case , your words are putting you in a very dark place .
You're saying such ignorant things . So if anything happens to you , which I sincerely hope doesn't , we all can say , YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. That saying goes for words and actions .

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22babymommycakes(1 comment)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

i dont appreciated dumb a people on here talking bad about my family member who die so young and for no reason i would appreciated if you dont talk about my cousin past aint like he killed anybody and plus paco is a good kid he wouldnt harm anybody or put anybody's lives in danger for your information. him and his girlfriend didnt deserve to die. i agree somebody should speak out and let the police find their killer or killers but dont ever talk about paco and let my cousin rest in peace. please continue to pray for our family and his girlfriend family too thanks.

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23laureag(2 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

RIP PACO WE ALL LOVE AND MISS U.....

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24leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The reason why people are asking questions and bringing up records, is not to bash! It's out of concern, and fear! Also insight! We need to know what caused this. We need to know if there is a serial killer, or burglar that just targets nonspecific persons for no reason. We need to know what precautions we need to take. These individuals are Deceased..and it matters Nothing to them right now , they're no longer here to deal with the nonsense, so those of us that are here, we need closure and understanding. Yes it's very sad for the family, and the family only...because they will miss them. But it's not sad for those individuals because guess what....WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! ...and that's perfectly fine. What we need here, for those of us still here, is to figure out what we can do to try to help change, and have peace before we depart! I think the record being brought up was most definitely to show that if you live that lifestyle, this is the way you die! Just as if you eat unhealthy you live a more painful achy life of disease before you decease! They died as a result of that activity of street life, it's very sad, and no it's not to say that they deserved it, it's just to say, if that is what you are involved in then this is what may take place! It should serve as a wake up call! We do quick to claim Christ and god in sad times or when we want material things, but can't seem to understand how he operates, or his works.***********just as there are tons of pep talks to lead people from unhealthy lifestyle , there are pep talks to lead people from street life! It all makes life more painful!;) just an example! How many of these deaths were just people being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or a serial killer? NO MATTER HOW BAD WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT...WE HAVE TO ACCEPT! WE RUN FROM THE TRUTH AND WANT TO BLAME OTHERS AND WALLOW IN SADNESS OR JUDGEMENT! BUT HOW IS ANY OF THAT GOING TO HELP US! HOW WILL IT STOP US FROM FUTURE SADNESS, IF WE DONT UNDERSTAND IT AND IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM??? HOW CAN WE STOP ANOTHER EPISODE ONCE THIS DIES DOWN??

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)
You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want let's strive to make better choices!

TO ALL FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF THE DECEASED! I TRULY FEEL FOR THEM CAUSE I MYSELF EXPERIENCED THIS , AND I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS A RESULT OF THE DIRECTION MOST OF MY LOVED ONES WENT,,AND WHAT I DID WAS MOURN, AND SEEK WAYS TO HELP OTHERS LEFT IN MY LIFE.AS WELL AS STOP STREET LIFE OR CONDONING IT MYSELF!! I PRAY FOR STRENGHTH FOR THEM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK TRUE MEMBERS WOULD EVEN CARE TO BE ON HERE RIGHT NOW!!!

AND IF THIS IS A RESULT OF A SERIAL KILLER OR BURGLAR I PRAY THAT THEY ARE CAUGHT AND OFF THE STREET BEFORE THEY STRIKE RANDOM PEOPLE AGAIN!!

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25walter_sobchak(1922 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

OK, once again, I will try to explain the Scriptures for the weak-minded. When the crowd wanted to stone the harlot, Jesus said that he whom is without sin should cast the first stone. That would be because Jesus knew the very men that held stones had also used the services of the woman so were just as guilty! We most assuredly can and must judge others or the streets would be full of lawless people. This is why we have a judicial system and jails! Forgiveness is conditional. If someones steals $100 from me I am not obligated to forgive them unless they ask for my forgiveness. And, I want my $100 back! That is the purpose of prison; to pay debts to society.

Now, some don't believe that we should comment on others after they have died, as if their misdeeds and crimes are somehow buried with them. Ahh, a quote from the Bard of Avon:
" The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones;"
Death doesn't change the good and bad things you did on this earth. In this case, we have two young people that are killed in a very violent neighborhood. Only in rare circumstances would this happen to totally innocent indivduals. At least one victim is a felon. Anyone really surprised by this? I would bet that he was at least acquainted with the killer or killers and I'm sure YPD has a good idea of the identities but will get no help from the crowd that was there.

Just another Y-town tale...

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26fattynskinny(195 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

this piece of *hit was selling heroin to your babies! is that something you don't understand????? screw him! o looks like one of his competitors already did!

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27Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

IS THE BLACK COMMUNITY NOT SICK AND TIRED OF THIS VIOLENCE. ALL THESE COMMENTS ARE THE SAME TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN A HOMICIDE HAPPENS IN YOUNGSTOWN. SAME STORY, SAME COMMENTS, ONLY THE NAMES CHANGE. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?"
PEOPLE MUST BE SICK OF THE CANDLELIGHT VIGILS, FUNERALS, ETC. BUT NOTHING EVERY GETS DONE UNTIL THE NEXT HOMICIDE AND THEN THE SAME OLD CYCLE AND COMMENTS! ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME TO TAKE A PRO-ACTIVE STANCE ON YOUNG BLACK ADULTS DYING NEEDLESSLY? DON'T GET MAD AT THE COMMUNITY, GET MAD AT THE KILLERS AND DEALING IN DRUGS AND FIGHTING OVER WOMEN AND ON AND ON. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!

....Reality is the victims are be blamed for getting murdered and nobody has mentioned the MURDERER.

....Regardless of what they did previously they were the VICTIMS does not matter if they were black, white, purple, brown, yellow or whatever they were human lives that was taken.........

.... but i disagree with you it does NOT make anyone a bad person because they sold drugs it means they make BAD DESCIONS. just as well yes chose a life of crime there are risk but that still does not give anyone the right to take someones life. Bad decsions is not a crime in itself FOR ALL any of us know he could have been the worst individual that existed but then again.

....Gain a sense of privacy and respect. (IT'S PUBLIC RECORD) Secondly I want to say, Just because he made bad decisions , major mistakes , does not mean someone can play God and take his life.

.....Honestly , if you not putting your words in to help change it , then your words are best left unsaid.

....Maybe decisions they made did have an influence on it, but none the less , its not right.

.....Classless and senseless co ments need to be kept in your head and not on here. Have some respect.

......Anyway it doesn't matter if one of the victims had a crimminal past or not.

.....Don't ever judge a murdered victim if you don't personally know them. What if it was you!

....But the evil that is surrounding these comments is uncalled for!

....So if anything happens to you , which I sincerely hope doesn't , we all can say , YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. That saying goes for words and actions .
.....i dont appreciated dumb a people on here talking bad about my family member who die so young and for no reason i would appreciated if you dont talk about my cousin past aint like he killed anybody and plus paco is a good kid he wouldnt harm anybody or put anybody's lives in danger for your information. him and his girlfriend didnt deserve to die.

.....i agree somebody should speak out and let the police find their killer or killers but dont ever talk about paco and let my cousin rest in peace. please continue to pray for our family and his girlfriend family too thanks.

RIP (INSERT NAME HERE) PACO WE ALL LOVE AND MISS U.....

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28g2mad(1 comment)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

at the end of the day you need to understand 2 lives were destroyed!!!! not to mention the family members who have the deal with this tragedy, his past has no way of saying what his future was going to be. I've done things in my past that I learned from and it made the the man I am today, a husband, father and son who goes to work everyday and raises his kids to try to not make the mistakes I've made. Those kids didn't deserve to be killed, plain and simple. Those of you saying well he had a criminal past so he deserved are truely ignorant and heartless. My family lost a son, brother,nephew, cousin and friend. I barely knew Pako but he was my cousin and I would like just a little respect for my family in our time of mourning. My prayers go out to the young ladies family as well.

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29Diebold2000(38 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Some random thoughts:
Go back to the book The Godfather, what did Michael say, "it's not personal, it's business". And like Vito said, "drugs are bad business, it'll hurt the children and the neighborhoods, how true, how true.Y-town has really been devastated more so than in the 40s and 50s when the Mob was thought to be bad.

White or Black if use and you don't pay, you lose and pay dearly. Same story whether it be the Mob or the Gang in the hood

Why not stop the excessive spending on the Overtime Paying Machine we created called OVI Checkpoints and put these cops in the hood for one weekend stopping the real crime. My hat is off to the members of the Task Force on Violent Crime, you are the real cops and deserve every penny and more, unlike your OVI counterparts.

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30juicylucy(13 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Pako Lacey was one of the worst kids at Chaney and the teachers couldn't wait to get him out of there. He did nothing but cause trouble and disrupt the education of others. He was also stupid, couldn't read or write and didn't care to learn. He was a social misfit and was completely unemployable. Too bad. I won't feel sorry for any of these a**holes that go out and get themselves killed. It is sickening. Bye bye Pako, go to heaven now.

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31hollywood(94 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

My prayers go out to both families involved. to the mothers of the victims u get a special prayer! i blame our city officals for all this violence. someone gets charged and convicted of a crime n just gets a slap on the wrist.it starts as juviniles then there is no fear of the law! everyone complaines of being made an example of when they get to much time,but if the judge did what its supposed to do to every crimanal in every case,every crimal would be the example to the ones who are thinking about being a crimal. y-town officals see this city is out of control. when do they get held accountabe for not taking control? they are the ones who run for office to make a change!

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32Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

mad

"....at the end of the day you need to understand 2 lives were destroyed!!!! not to mention the family members who have the deal with this tragedy, his past has no way of saying what his future was going to be."

Once again, ARE YOU NOT TIRED OF HEARING AND SEEING THE SAME COMMENTS ON EVERY HOMICIDE IN YOUNGSTOWN?? Get MAD at the community that DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED with the violence of young black adults! And this is not only in Youngstown but all over the United States. Something needs to be done or else next week or next month another family and friends are going to go through the same thing and use the same comments AND NOTHING will be done ONCE AGAIN! The community has to say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH".

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33bfpeer(26 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I love people can play the race card. It's in the black community, blah blah blah. Well guess what this is going on everywhere! And yes, there are similiar comments being said because we don't know the victims or families but some people do but the respectful and 'norm' thing to do is to respect the deceased. Most people were raised to help and support others in times of need.So of course the comments from the people who know them will say RIP and the ones who dont will say dont speak ill of them exc. But then again the individuals who have rude comments have enough time to write 100 +or 1000+ messages on here. It's kind of like you can expect much from a person raised my wolves. Well you can't expect much from people whose only form of human interaction is the net!

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34leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

And then people are mad and venting on f-book..saying they want to kill others who don't agree with the situation, yet they say GOD be with the recently deceased family...AND GOD THIS AND THAT, but would that same God agree with you getting angry about others disagreements to the point you want to murder them????? Wouldn't that act of anger lead to another one of these situations, a family mourning? Stop playing with God! And any seriously mourning members would not even partake on thid site, seriously! Let's learn from this, and change and help change!

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35keepnitreal(1 comment)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

a lot of people express there view about what these individuals , and i must admit some comments were disturbing somethimg people need to understand is that beyond what people may perceive these were two young people that are now gone we can only speculate as to what happened speaking negatively only seem to make people who may or may not know of the situation think one way or one track was this drug related? i dont know, was it gang related? dont know that either I hope the police find out who did this for an already on the edge public.

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36Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

bf

"I love people can play the race card. It's in the black community, blah blah blah."

Of all the homicides in 2011 and 2012 how many were young black adults?

""And yes, there are similiar comments being said because we don't know the victims or families but some people do but the respectful and 'norm' thing to do is to respect the deceased. ""

The "NORM" thing to do to show respect is to show that respect at the funeral, the memorial, the candlelight vigil, the obituary, etc. This is a article about a violent homicide not a memorial to the victim.

""Most people were raised to help and support others in times of need.So of course the comments from the people who know them will say RIP and the ones who dont will say dont speak ill of them exc.""

Where is someone speaking "ILL" of them??

""But then again the individuals who have rude comments have enough time to write 100 +or 1000+ messages on here. It's kind of like you can expect much from a person raised my wolves""

Are you jealous of all the comments?? LMFAO.
And again, what did I say that was "RUDE"? Can't wait to hear this answer....And I was raised by 2 very super parents in a loving home, not by wolves, but then again what does that have to do with this article. smh at such stupidity in soceity.

""Well you can't expect much from people whose only form of human interaction is the net!""

Jealous SKIPPY?? And not sure what it has to do with this homicide, but I proably have way more human contact then you will ever do. Again with the stupidity in society.

And you NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION of course.....always have to side track it with something else......

ARE YOU NOT SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE VIOLENCE OF YOUNG BLACK ADULTS IN THIS DAY AND AGE???? Truth to much to answer?

leelee

""And any seriously mourning members would not even partake on thid site, seriously! Let's learn from this, and change and help change!""

EXACTLY!

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37Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

and BF

Just on today's WKBN News website are the following..And what ONE thing do all the stories have in common??

26 years old..

http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/loca...

22 years old...

http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/loca...

17 years old...

http://www.wkbn.com/mostpopular/story...

18 years old...

http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/loca...

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38bfpeer(26 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Life2short- I laugh at the pure amusement of your comments! I'm glad you weren't raised by wolves. I'm sure your 'super' parents would be so proud to know that you spend so much of your day commenting on vindy. You should blog.
Jealous of you having so many comments.. I think not, I have a life and don't have time to spend all day online.
Funny you can copy and paste all day long. It's fun that only You took offense to what was written. Even though it was a general comment so something must have urked your nerves. Simile for raised by wolves nevered said anyone was raised by them but now hmmm......

Now with violence in the black community. First off violence in all communities have to end! Also, don't assume everyone on here is black! What are you doing in your black community Life2short!
Sounds pretty dumb right. I don't see color.
I believe in justice for all and respect for life.

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39hmm(183 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Youngstownborn finally said it... Selling Heroin makes you a bad person..... How many people has a dope dealer killed ( directly or indirectly) through selling their poison ... That's like saying a serial murder or a terrorist isn't a bad person. Lets start calling repeat criminals what they are bad people no disrespect to the family every family has at least one bad person in it ......

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40diamondm35(42 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

In total agreement with the majority of these comments... In watching the morning news, Pakos mothers interview didn't depict a mourning mother, she stated "THEY KILLED MY SON WHILE HE WAS IN THE BED SLEEPING AND CONFRONTED BURGLARS STEALING HIS TV'S AND GAME SYSTEM.. I COULD HAVE BOUGHT YOU AND YO MOMMA TV'S AND GAMES".. Really, that lady spoke volumes how he was raised.. And he was STILL DEALING in Heroin AND in a neighborhood where many children reside. So was Pako a bad person, YES HE WAS .. Did it justify his killing, maybe not HOWEVER his activities should have been reported and maybe he would have been locked up instead of murdered.. 16 or 17, she should not have been dating/hanging out with a known drug dealer because ultimately, living her life on the edge cost her dearly .. Folks don't like the Truth, but it is what it is THE TRUTH .. No Disrespect Intended

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41leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@diamondm35--exactly! Truth hurts! And it needs to be accepted! If they are really hurt and concerned, then they should fight to stop the cycle. They should stop encouraging and glorifying those who are making a come up through these illegal ways. It just makes these young men strive more and more to get more and more and they get caught up! These young girls need to stop with all these kids and all this jobless, golddiggin! All this going to clubs tryna be the "flyest or baddest" all this fighting , or even all the ""IM GETTING OUT OF HERE" chants....finally go to school or work and thinking they better.... etc accept truth and get it together. Cause Pako and Netta are gone , it matters nothing to them anymore....what about contributing to stopping the cycle!!!! It's sad. And they'll mourn now and quote God and this and that, but this bout to die down, then what......like @lifes2short said....WE BACK TO THE SAME COMMENTS...BUT NO RESULTS! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! 

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42leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I believe it's hope for the inner city people , most are just too impatient, lazy, and find excuses to settle for that life. I stay in the inner city, and grew up in it with siblings, and still stay here and have become successful. Even after my share of struggle and bull, (third year medicine) I have many friends as well who grew up here with a struggle such as me and others, and did something for change! It's just that most run from truth, and want easy ways out, and are insecure. Plus when they have people telling them they can't make it and it's a fairy tale , they give in to the statements when it gets tough. Yet they always chanting, "F*ck PEOPLE, and all they got is they self. And FU*K HATERS.....yet don't apply that to those who label them not being able to make it! It's a mind thing, lazy comfort zone, excuses, and wanting easy ways out!

There are a lot of inner city dwellers who avoid traps and become success, but see what happens is most of those get High and mighty, and feel better than....and leave! They are from one extreme to the next, either extremely street, or extremely sadity, then chanting...IM LEAVING, OR I LEFT YOUNGSTOWN!!! never do they stay, or try to help, or try to make change!!!! Never do they stick up for one another or give good advice, it's always competition, whether street, or sadity!

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43leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It's not serial killers, it's crime against others through altercations , usually from wrong activity. There's a lot who stay right in the middle of this place, for many many years, with no problem. It's the life you choose. Cause say everybody leave, ...then what? The city will be still here, just empty ..and it will be another town holding the same reputation Youngstown once held, WHY? Because its people doing the same activity!

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44Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

bf

"What are you doing in your black community Life2short!"

Well your a newbie so not going to go through my history, but I go to the city jail, rehab centers, inner city schools and talk about the struggles I went through, and where I ended up and such, But the bottom line I try to get through is "Be held ACCOUNTABLE for everything you do in your life," not make one EXCUSE after another or BLAME everyone and everything. You choose the path you want to go down NO ONE else! So what have you done in the black community?

"It's fun that only You took offense to what was written. Even though it was a general comment so something must have urked your nerves. ""

Oh no offense taking, unlike you, I have a open mind, always did and always will, If I'm wrong I admit it, if someone can come up with a legit argument about my comments then I'm all for it, you see, I have a opinion but I'm not stubborn, and take in account of other peoples opinion. Simple logic, huh?

Yes, there is violence all over and committed by all people, race, etc.... but expand your mind a little and read other places news and such, what seems to always be the hot topic? Young black adults.

So you still didn't answer my question, a simple Yes or No would be easy to do.....

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45VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

...Amen.

What I find so senseless about all of this is the number of people who defend the criminals who have been involved, yet they do nothing beforehand in an attempt to stop the pending violence.

Many on here are being judged by others for what they write, as if they sit in their "plush suburban home", but what about those who defend the "good man" who has a police record and who now lays dead. It seems everyone knew he was leading a double life of a criminal and a good man, yet no one seemed to think it was wrong or attempt to stop him.

Despite his being a criminal and leading others into his web of crime, "He was a good man". If that is a definition of a "good man", we are all in big trouble.

There is a reason why we have laws and policemen and it is because people have abused society and harmed others. "Good men" don't harm others and take from society for their own pleasure. "Good men" follow the rules of law and are a credit to society, not a dredge on society. "Good men" lead by example and not by stealing, shooting and forcing themselves upon the weak.

We are only fooling ourselves and prolonging the decline of civilization when we attempt to defend criminals as being "good men". If you really want to change society and change the future for your children, stop defending those who commit crimes against society. Not only are they a dredge on society, but so are you for defending them.

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46leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Vindyak...well said! Most just sit around...act sad...then carry on. I'm starting to think most just talk about it because it's the hot topic for the moment...and half don't really even know the individual nor dealt, but all of a sudden did...and half saw, and condoned the illegal acts......then you have those who brag bout how they so proud they left Youngstown, or they are leaving, yet never attempt to help in no kind of way....they really should be ashamed to say they once lived here, but left, and that they pray for the city. Cause really that's just as bad. Up and leave, then want to throw in their two cents, but didn't lift a finger of help. And when I say help, it doesn't have to be large scale with assemblies and such, it can be as simple as volunteering at centers, or speaking to a few, or withdrawing from condoning activities. Small scale is just as powerful, and if everyone could take up that role, multitudes may be helped!

PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RUNNING FROM TRUTH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KEEPS BRINGING US BACK HERE!!!! I KNOW IT HURTS, BUT IT'S TRUTH. IT SEEMS HARSH, BUT IT'S TRUTH!!!

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47hollywood(94 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

as a mother to a 18 year old male living in y-town, i have done everything i no how to do to keep my son respectful and out of trouble. my question is, when thats not enough what do u do? and blaming parenting skills is useless.yes there are terrible parents and yes thats why kids are so messed up but thats not gonna fix the problem. what about the parents who try there best,cant afford to get out but live in a neighbor hood full of violence. yes i am terrified for my son just because he is young living in y-town. like i said before the court needs to stop slapping them on the wrist the 1st time. make them scared of the law. how many black people refuse to drive thru poland, boardman at night cause "the police dont play" i no 1st hand ypd is a joke! i would love to no how to make y-town a decent place to live. it still rests on our city officals tho. they wanted the job and cant do it!

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482Infiniti(5 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

This is why my parents encouraged us to leave Y-town years ago -- and none of us have ever looked back. Our lives were greatly improved by 1) getting an education and 2) leaving Youngstown. Youngstown is not a decent environment for young people -- especially young black people. There are very few jobs and opportunities and the environment fosters a sense of hopelessness and helplessness. It is a fact.

I am saddened that these two young people were murdered, but I am also saddened that, instead of getting an education to better his circumstances, Pako was (allegedly) an aspiring drug dealer, whose activites likely got himself and his girlfriend murdered. No disrespect to his family, friends and loved ones, but Pako was going to meet a tragic end sooner or later, anyway. If they didn't see what was ahead for Pako, they weren't looking.

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49juicylucy(13 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Now that summer is right around the corner there will be others in line for Pako's fate. We are seeing them developing younger and younger because of all the children having these alcoholic drug addicted babies. The pregnant girls fill up on sodas, chips, and starburst candy throughout the school day and that's after they are getting high in their cars before school even starts in the morning. Administrators and teachers cannot punish the drug dealers or kids who are high in school unless they are caught with the drugs on them or see it happen with their own eyes. They are smart enough to get over on the system but too dumb to read or write. I've seen it, I know. Soon their children will be having more of these babies and the cycle perpetuates itself. Not everyone in poverty grows up this way, so please, bleeding hearts, your whiny excuses don't ring true. People choose their paths no matter the place or circumstances. The schools, city and churches provide a wealth of services to guide parents and children to a better way of life that didn't exist even 20 years ago. Everything is free and they feel it is owed to them. Love that welfare! We'll be having a hot time, summer in the city.

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50hmm(183 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Lucy your right people choose their paths my wife and I are products of youngstown AND its schools as are our 2 kids I live on the South side ( not far from where the murders were ...... We taught our kids you are responsible for your own actions and school is your job for at least 12 years .... Both have done well in school and will be successful after ..... ALL of youngstown isn't bad you just here about the small percent of problems ...... How many here knew that the Youngstown Early College program obtained a bronze educational standard NATIONALLY for the second year on a row...

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51Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

hmmm

"ALL of youngstown isn't bad you just here about the small percent of problems."

I agree 100%! Youngstown has problems like every other city in this Country, no matter what people claim, the green is not always greener on the other side. I know, I've been around this world. I'll love one person to say where they live has no crime, just one place. It don't matter where you live, it's about looking in the mirror and being a productive member of society and enjoying life no matter what is thrown at you. The individual, not the city, is who you are and what your all about. You either play the blame/excuse game or you do something about it. Your choice.

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52whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

A single white male is the minority in this country, all you who are throwing the race card around.

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53KarieeDee(6 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@ leelee25 I agree w everything you have said here. I read vindy.com every night while @ work and I'm sick and tired of the violence and fed up with the derogatory commentary.I am willing to do something about it. I was once one of those people who shared the "ditch Youngstown" belief. I took a chance and left, never thought of looking back. But here I am...I have some ideas of things I would like to try and do here in the city; I’ve begun to do some research. I’m looking for any and all feedback from all the readers here. We all have things to say, well I’m willing to act.

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54aniabratton(1 comment)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

First off it's sad that two young people have gotten killed.That man will not be able to see twenty one and she will not be able to see eighteen.For goodness sake they were someones children.Someone brother,sister,niece,nephew and grandchildren.Does it make it right that someone came into his house and shot him and her dead no. Second some of these comments are ridiculous. Crime and drugs is not just in the inner city.There are drugs and crime in the suburbs too. Where do you think these kids get these drugs from. Matter a fact we don't even know if their death was even drug related. No one said anything about drugs. I'm tired of people saying oh that just happens in the inner city no it doesn't . People are always saying Youngstown is horrible it's not Youngstown it's people no matter if these same people lived somewhere else if they are the problem guess what the problem will follow them. Let's stop pointing fingers yes he had a record a year ago people do change. Is it right to sell drugs no it isn't but you know what let's ask the question why do people sell drugs?? hmm it's like any other business whether it's illegal or legal if they didn't have people who bought the product than drugs will go out of business like anything else that people don't buy. I'm tired of people my age getting killed and I'm tired of so called adults bickering like children how can one sit there and judge anyone else. Matthew 7:3
Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
and in
John 8:7
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
No one is perfect but no one should have to be shot dead in their own home the place that you should feel the safest at no one.

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55hollywood(94 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

i'm amazed at all the judging and no real comments on how to solve the problem. THAT is the problem! everybody has something to say BUT who is gonna step up n come up with a solution? im sorry to say the best thing i can do for my children is sell my house n get outta y-town. let it become a ghost town then start all over again hoping it will be better the second time around.

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56youngstownsucks(4 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Look on the bright side.... another drug dealer off the streets. "Hollywood" looks like someone did something about it. I see the solution, if they aren't alive, they cant sell drugs.

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57leelee25(9 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

^so true.

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58lbf(147 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

http://www.vindy.com/weblogs/brain-fo...
PA'Ko Tipping Point?

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59southsidedave(4784 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

As usual some really off-the-wall comments. May the deceased R.I.P.

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60FifthAve(169 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The question is when will the police connect the dots? These armed robberies have been taking place for over a year. THe MO's are very similar. When will they find these three guys and lock them up?

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