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Public employees get their perks



Published: Fri, May 4, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

Public employees get their perks

It seems as though I read in The Vindicator almost every week about some public employee who is being paid or getting ready to be paid for unused sick time or vacation time.

April 26, front page, “City law director — Legal shake-up adds flexibility.” How many more coffin nails do we need to see before the private sector taxpayer, those of us who pay for these outlandish perks of payments for unused sick leave and vacation time, say enough is enough? Unfortunately the governor should not have bitten off more than he could chew with SB 5. If he’d only gone after these two perks for public employees instead of the whole enchilada, getting himself labeled a union buster, maybe reasonable people would have voted for it.

And what about the April 25 headline, “YEA chief to teachers: Expect layoffs.” I’m no mathematician, but it begs the question: how many part-time teachers or staff could avoid future layoffs if recent retirees or those about to retire had not been paid large sums of money under their contractual agreements?

I’m still amazed how some public employees can go month after month, year after year, without taking vacation time to be with family or friends to recharge their batteries. They either have jobs with little or no stress, or they find a way to take time off and chalk it up to some business, or “monkey business.”

The slippery slope of greed and selfishness did other great societies in. Our once-great society is slipping away at a pace. Even the woods, where money used to grow on trees, are no longer there.

The answer? I’m not sure there is one anymore.

As a nation, we seem to have turned our backs on God, and even He must be shaking His head — just as we do so often with our children, who have lost respect for what they see as a lack of morals in our adult leadership.

Robert DeFelice, Poland


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1stonehead(24 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

first off why do all gov employees get lumped in the same group.. management who make 80 90 thousand a year. make the paper.. the guy or gal who works 30 plus years making 35 to 40 thousand a year catch all the crap. lets take everything that took 30 years to get from them.. stop crying about public and privet jobs THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AND NEVER WILL BE .................

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2RustOnMyBelt(106 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

An important point that is missed here is that many public employees ,like a lot of private sector jobs are pressured into doing more with less or more specifically,doing more with less employees.Its not easy for them to take off on vacation when the last two days of it will be filled with worry about what mountain of work will be waiting for them upon their return.If an employee is doing the work that two employees used to do then they are also returning to twice the work they otherwise would have expected in the past.Lastly,there is the issue of public employees whose main function is to serve the public.Now that their workloads have increased,they still desire to serve the public to the best of their abilities. This means that they will sacrifice their own free time that could be spent with family for the sake of serving the those "customers" who depend upon them.They are largely committed to their jobs and will often go the extra mile before allowing the system to fall apart-even when that means their own free time will be lost.As a result of these factors vacation time builds up, the employees do become stressed and the stress may eventually force them to be off of work due to health concerns.

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3chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The emotional arguments attemptig to justify excessive pay and benefits for public employees need to be ignored. I am not saying that public employees are the sole cause for our economic problems, but it is a major contributing factor.

Our ecomy will collapse when hyper inflation erupts along with the weakening dollar, higher taxes and huge debt/deficit.

People will no longer be hiding cash under their mattress. Rather there will be more and more people renouncing their US citizenship and taking their riches to low tax foreign countries.

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4theotherside(328 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Sheesh. To hear this guy tell it, public employees are responsible for the demise of God and the sinking of the Titanic. Chill out dude. The economy will recover and the private sector will rebound and once again ignore the salaries and benefits of lowly public employees. And you get what you pay for Robert. If you don't want public services, then put out your own house fire, protect your own property, and teach your own kids.

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5Education_Voter(816 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Soooo Robert,
Let's see. The teacher who spent half of her career earning less than $30,000, now upon retirement can collect 1/4 of the value of the sick days she did not take.

Let's excoriate HER for showing up to care for her students day after day rather than calling in sick, and therefore collecting 100% of the value of her sick days.

Yes, in the many years in which it was impossible for a cash-strapped community to offer workers a raise, they gave them this bone...that at least sick days could carry over for a certain amount. That if you survived in the job for a third of a century you had some chance of getting a small bonus, 1/4th of your unused sick days, if you retired under certain circumstances and applied correctly.

Yeah. I can see how these people are EXACTLY like fat cat executives with golden parachutes. Uh huh.

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6theotherside(328 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Yeah, lets go down Formery's path. Low wage, no work place rights, no benefit workers to teach our kids. That should really attract the best and the brightest into the teaching profession and provide the schools with qualified, licensed, and motivated individuals in the classroom. Youngstown Schools obviously failed with Formery.

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7300(552 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

For someone who left Youngstown, you spend a lot of time reading your former hometown newspaper. Is it that where you live now, nobody cares about your opinion?

I've met a fair number of people like you, the "teachers are stupid" crowd. I've also noticed that the people who think like you do are usually not the sharpest tool in the shed. You look to blame someone for your frustrations, just like this guy from Poland, but it's nobody's fault but your own for your lot in life.

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8steelhead(122 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The fact is that the perks you see as outlandish were largely put in place by management (politicians). They did not want voters to complain about percentage raises, losing them votes, so they used different incentives to make up for the raises. I am sorry if you did not negotiate your contract with your employer better. Maybe you should have joined a union if you were not satisfied with your compensation. As for the comments about stress, monkey business, etc., I will give you the same challenge I gave DeSouza...Follow me around for one week. I work Full-Time as a Firefighter/Paramedic, part-time as a paramedic, and another part-time job. Mind you, I am not complaining, just want to give you some perspective. Then I'll follow you around for a week (I don't know what you do, could be interesting). Then we can present our stories to the Vindicator. Bert wasn't interested, are you?

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9theotherside(328 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Ok Formery, I'm calling your bluff. Show us the statistics that prove the majority of teachers in the classroom are incompetent. You can't because they don't exist. The fact of the matter is that the majority of teachers in the classroom are highly qualified as established by state and federal guidelines. The few incompetent ones are represented no differently than in any other profession and the checks and balances exist to have them removed. So instead of your obviously slanted bias and hyperbole, try making statements that have some resemblance of validity instead of making yourself look as ignorant and uninformed as you already have. And by the way, there have been some excellent graduates from the Youngstown Schools. What was your problem?

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10300(552 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

That's funny, formerytown, because I graduated from 2 "Ivy League" universities, and I'd never refer to them as "ivy". If I refer to where I went to school, I use the specific name, not the generalized label. If you actually had gone to one, then you'd know why.

I can tell from your posts that you're making up stories.

Needless to say, someone who's content in life doesn't need to come back to his former hometown and complain on a forum.

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11theotherside(328 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Your lobster and caviar won't impress me formerytown. What does impress me is is that you want to "sent" me those. They teach you that at your Ivy League school? And as 300 said, sounds like you are blowing smoke anyway. And that would explain your posts.

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12fd6636(254 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Ok. You wanna compare apples to oranges, private to public workers?? ok. here goes:
Take out "clothing allowance" add "Stock options".
Take out "severence package" insert "buy out to leave company"
Take out "unused sick leave", add employee performance bonuses"
Take out "vacation". Add "corporate share holdings"
Take out "tax increases leads to lay-offs" add " Moving company to mexico to increase profits"

You see, don't try to b.s yourselves, its all the same, just named different so you out there can change the names so you can feel good about yourselves in one sector while you "bash" others in another sector. The privates say your screwing the taxpayer, while another says your screwing the consumer. All the same, just worded different. Think before bashing!!!

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13doubled(210 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

fd - possibly the best post regarding this type of issue that I've ever seen.

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14grand4dad(188 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Very well said fd.

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15olddude(194 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Im sure there is no published proof of this but here goes (bet im close)
In the buckeye state...
100,000 public workers that have clothing allowance and 15,000 who are eligible for stock options...
500,000 eligable for a severance pkg. and 10,000 who would get a buyout...
250,000 who have accumulated unused sick time and 100,000 who receive performance bonuses
8,000,000 who get a vacation and 50,000 get share holdings...
moving to mexico......I agree...
Fact is , You public folks take to much of our hard earned money....In dollars... real money.....dinero

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16olddude(194 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

And furthermore.. The comparison above sounds like the difference between the 99% vs. the 1%... Well how many 1 percenters do u think live in the Valley... Few hundred, maybe a thousand...Its the rest of us who are hurting in in this economy... So, if u public folks are 10% , then we have the 1%.. So that leaves me in the 89% who are participating in this rotten recession... The 89% of whom u want to pay for your entitled life... And if we dont, our houses will burn, our families murdered, and our kids will have to endure a third world education......GET REAL

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17theotherside(328 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

olddude, you are right about one thing in your post. No proof. You can't just make up numbers and then convince yourself they are accurate. That's called being delusional. Or parrot what you think you heard from equally biased sources. As far as taking your money, baloney sauce (BS). You pay taxes to fund services that you benefit from. Police, fire, and education expenses to name a few. What you pay individually for those serves is a pretty good deal in my opinion. Of course you are always welcome to protect your own property by hiring security, put out your own house fire with hired firefighters, and educate your own kids with hired tutors. See how much money you blow trying to pull that off.

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18olddude(194 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

FLH.. The 8mil included all.public and the rest of us..data is way off a but i think i made my point..otherside, do i really have those choices? No... U public folks just think u are more important than the rest of us.... The rest of the middle class is paying your bills..... Not the 1%..We, the 89%

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19chairman(12 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Hey DeFelice--"when you point a finger
you have three pointing back at you, and
one of them is the middle finger.

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20southsidedave(4709 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

@ FLHTCUI...post the link to your data next time for all of us to learn

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21DwightK(1179 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Maybe we should stop saying public employees earn to much and ask our elected officials why they can't attract better paying jobs for the rest of us. Paying for decent civil servants stops being a problem if we all make better money.

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22Education_Voter(816 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Old Dude,
I feel bad for you. I do. I think the company my sibling works for (P&G) alone gave the number of bennies you named.
And yes, they do give a fat severance to personnel in my siblings department and....here's the good part: you don't have to go to work sick to get it!

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23L0L(607 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

"chalk it up to some business, or “monkey business.”

-Holy sh%t!!! How did you know about the top secret monkley business clause in my contract?!!

-And lastly, instead of picking on the men and women who actually WORK, why don't you write an opinion letter about all the free loaders, welfare recipients, people on ssi who shouldn't be and all the leaches that the people who actually WORK are paying for to live for free and not contribute to society? It's the workers you're complaining about who pay for all of this to be possible. Maybe you're one of those people who expect something for nothing and you just want a bigger slice of the pie.

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