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School board OKs placing 5.9-mill levy on Nov. ballot

Published: Mon, June 11, 2012 @ 12:07 a.m.

By Sean Barron



The Poland board of education has agreed to place a five-year, 5.9-mill emergency operating levy on the Nov. 6 general-election ballot.

During a special meeting Sunday, the board voted 3-2 for the levy, which is expected to bring $2,181,867 annually to the school district.

The measure is needed to ensure the district stays in the black through the end of 2016, noted board President Dr. Larry Dinopoulos, who, along with board members Richard J. Weaver and Elinor S. Zedaker, voted for the levy.

Voting no were James P. Lavorini and Robert D. Shovlin. Shovlin said he felt taxpayers won’t support another levy on the ballot after two previous attempts failed.

During the session, officials discussed whether the millage should be 3.9 or 5.9 mills, or another figure. Dinopoulos predicted that a 3.9-mill levy “buys us two years,” meaning that the board would have to place another measure on the ballot after that time.

Failure to approve the levy likely would lead to further cuts or open-enrollment options, which would bring added funds to the district, Dinopoulos continued. He added that if the 5.9-mill levy is defeated, the board will try to pass a smaller measure.

Despite state-funding reductions, the district is about $100,000 in the black, but will probably be in the red by 2013 or 2014 if the levy fails, the president contended.

Dinopoulos said he plans to conduct a forum this fall to give residents a better idea of what open enrollment will entail, adding that many taxpayers may resent paying for students from other districts.


1ytownsteelman(680 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

How about asking people who do not own real estate to help pay for the schools too!

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2lee(544 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Man you are slow learners, no more taxes CUT SPENDING!!!!! We the people don,t have any more to give.

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3ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Knightcap, question,

If they say "no", then what?

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4DwightK(1537 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"Failure to approve the levy likely would lead to further cuts or open-enrollment options"

No, no, Poland is playing this all wrong. threaten to bus all the kids to the WRTA terminal downtown. That's how you scare parents.

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5republicanRick(1731 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Larry Dinopolas refuses to listen to the community and pushes ahead with his personal agenda. This is sad.

Beau Weaver shrinks from the pressure of making decisions and follows Dinopolous over the cliff.

It is amazing the damage these Board members are attempting. Listen to your community over there. It's employee costs and benefits that people over in Poland are frustrated about.

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6taxme(361 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

wow are you kidding me? No no no! What u should be doing is selling half intrest in the semi pro football stadium you put on tax payers backs to cardnal mooney and get rid of that debt to start then force the teachers who are at retirment age to retire! More employee contribution to health care.

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7Photoman(1248 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

You want to live in Poland? If so, just keep on letting these folks pick your pockets. After all, they are professionsl spenders.

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8polandnative(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I went all through Poland Schools and really enjoyed it. I think this levy is ridiculous. Maybe the Superintendent should retire, he has been there for longer than I can remember, and I have been in the Poland School district for over 30 yrs. Maybe instead of paying him his wages and his retirement and his medical insurance, etc., etc. make him retire that may give some money back to the school. Also we do need a cap on this pay-to-play or we will end up loosing some great student athletes because their parents can afford for them to play anymore and they leave for open enrollment schools. What is wrong with open enrollment, you know you can be chosey on who attends - like make it for any student who has a 3.5 gpa or above.

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9ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(253 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Knightcap, I`d be surprised if anyone would agree to a freeze or a pay cut in the middle of a contract. The teachers union would shut that down in a heartbeat.

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10redeye1(5656 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey Poland school Board There is an old saying " Wish in one hand and s@#t in the other , see which one fills up first". This school board and super must think that the fine people of Poland have money growing trees in their back yards.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH Vote NO in NOvember. My family will be.

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11stewie(109 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What an arrogant bunch of morons! I'll be voting NO once again because you still don't get it!

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12HaydenThomas(208 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The public sector never gets it. Teachers seem to think that they are never expected to face economic reality. See YSU give away raises and bonuses based on enrollment and then need to raise tuition every year to cover the cost. More for them and less for you is how they think.

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13anthonyjames(17 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Board President said it all, " if it fails we will put it on the ballot and ask for less" these folks who spend other peoples money do not get it and they never will. Poland schools have become like a cult, you are either part of the inner cirlce run by zorn or you are not. You do as he says, or look out. THE MAN NEEDS TO LEAVE!!! Funny how he rushed through contracts with unions before SB5 went to the ballot.... poland school emplyees pay no more than a 5% premium for healthcare, their salarys have been inflated for years because of steps that people are finally catching on to and the retirement benefits are something else. I say vote no as long as zorn is there, read someting here where someone wrote if they cut this empty busing program he ran for years the district could have saved 10 million over past 12-14 years... must have been taking care of his buddies the drivers. The students and their families make poland schools excellent not the administration. VOTE NO, THEY DO NOT GET IT!!

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14BoardmanBranch(42 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Unbelievable. What is this board thinking? Open enrollment should not even be discussed until adminstrators pay their portion of their retirement and salaries and benefits for all staff are addressed. What the Board is demonstrating to the taxpayer is that they don't want to deal with real issues--big surprise. Declining enrollment may mean we need to resize the schools--difficult, but maybe necessary. A responsible board would have gotten through this year (they have the money), negotiated fair contracts, addressed health care costs, assessed what is needed in light of current enrollment, and then gone to the taxpayer with a reduced millage. Instead, they are wasting more money and time and still not dealing with the issues.

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15poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

PolandNative - you do realize that even if Zorn leaves they still have to pay for a Superintendent, right? And since Zorn is at the bottom of the salary range right now, it will cost more to replace him. (BTW, his retirement check comes from STRS, not Poland schools)

AnthonyJames - when the BOE negotiated the last teacher's contract, there was no reason to believe that SB5 would not be in place on 1/1/12. SB5 was not on the ballot then! In hindsight, they should have written the 15% in the contract, but no one thought that SB5 would pan out the way it did.

And for everyone: passage of this levy will not bring money until a year later. The BOE is planning ahead for the future school years and it cannot be done on the backs of teachers. Our schools have cut enough and the teachers have done a fantastic job of stepping up - especially at the Elementary level.

The Walmart mentality does not work in education. You need to pay more to maintain the same quality product... not pay the same and accept a cheap replacement.

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16poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

BoardmanBranch - the BOE is already talking about closing a school building in the coming years. The 4th grade class this coming year is much larger than the other grades (incuding several before them) and there is simply no way to disperse those students to other buildings. At Union, there were 25 kids (the max) in each of the 3rd grade classrooms.

I am not sure what grade starts the big drop off, but I know that enrollment for K was down this past year from previous years as well. So it could be reasonable to close one of the smaller schools in the coming years. But that is a long term solution, not an immediate one and the school needs funding secured in the near term or their 5 yr forecast will trigger state intervention. If that happens, pay to participate sports could look like a good thing.

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17republicanRick(1731 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

All scare tactics Poland21.

The teachers can whine all they want but they have to curtail their exorbitant benefits and pensions. Sorry, but that is the state of today's economy. We have willing recent college grads eager to step in if some teachers want to retire or quit.

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18republicanRick(1731 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The Federal Reserve has announced that Americans' net worth has declined by 40% over the past 3 years. It is now down to 1992 levels.

On the backs of these people you want to tax them more so that teachers, administrators, and janitors can enjoy rich benefits, pensions, pay, and summer vacations?

The Poland Board of Education wants to ram more taxes down the throats of already strapped families? How do they sleep at night?

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19poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Come on REALTRUTH - Live up to your name!

You know that the teachers have taken a 2 year wage and STEP freeze in this current contract.

How many "administrators" do you think Poland has? I know of 7 principals, a treasurer and a superintendent. No vice principals, no curriculum director, no assistant superintendent. Who else are you counting as "administrators"?

Do you REALLY think that $2,181,867.00 per year is going to come from freezing salaries?

Do you REALLY think that the $1.2 million borrowed back in 2007 (in the hay-day of the economic boom) is why Poland schools are in need of $2.1 million per year?

It is time to stop the rhetoric and acknowledge the funding issues. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

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20polandfan(27 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What endless levies? The Poland schools haven't had any additional millage for 10 years!

And for all those screaming for an increase in health care contributions, you do realize that going from 5% to 15 or 20% means a savings in the neighborhood of $150,000, right? Not saying that shouldn't happen (it should and probably will) but even if the teachers were willing to concede twice that much there would STILL be a large need for additional revenue.

The state cuts are the real problem here. Everything else could be worked out among the parties involved, but you just can't replace over $1M without getting it from the local taxpayers. The buck has been passed.

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21DontBanThisDrone(1046 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

polandfan wrote: "Do you REALLY think that $2,181,867.00 per year is going to come from freezing salaries?"

Nope. That's why it's symbolic, and nothing else.


polandfan wrote: "Do you REALLY think that the $1.2 million borrowed back in 2007 (in the hay-day of the economic boom) is why Poland schools are in need of $2.1 million per year?"

Nope. So that tells me the additional revenue is for something else - something far more expensive.


polandfan wrote: "...but you just can't replace over $1M without getting it from the local taxpayers."

Well of course...when that's where you receive your revenue from. Thing is; the taxpayers can afford no more.


polandfan wrote: "The buck has been passed."

Not yet. We'll have to see the outcome of the levy to determine if the buck has been passed.


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22BoardmanBranch(42 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

To Poland 21: you want the taxpayers to be part of the solution, but the teachers refused to acknowledge the economic crisis that has been a reality for everyone except the Poland school staff by reopening their contracts. I will be happy to be part of the solution when I see that teachers are willing to do their fair share. As long as parents, students, and taxpayers keep getting hit, while Poland school employees give up nothing I can't support a levy. Can you balance the budget on the backs of the teachers? Of course not. But you can reign in costs so you don't have to ask for as much. Teachers who care about the students would have done this. It is clear that the teachers are only concerned about themselves. And the superintendent and board encourage this behavior or administrators who are not under contract would have been forced to take concessions. The taxpayers have no choice but to react in anger and vote no. If we vote yes, heaven knows what they'll do with the money, but if the past is an indicator, it won't go to the kids.

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23Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Please never listen to any thing from DRUGMAN . Poland is in the dumper but do not become Boardman

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24redeye1(5656 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Thank you Realtruth Great post i can only hope that the people who read it will realize that this school board members are really out of touch with the general public. Thanks again!!!!

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25poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago


When did the teachers refuse to reopen their contract??

The teachers HAVE made concessions for several years including in the current contract that lasts through next year.

Take responsibility for your community and your schools. Most people in Poland can afford a levy just fine and money is NOT the issue. Ironic that the levies always pass in the village and north elementary areas, but fail in the off-dobbins neighborhoods. Go figure.

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26poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Real truth - the 2008 loan for 3 million funded more than the stadium. I know union elementary had all new windows installed and another building got a roof. I am not sure what else accounted for the 1.8 million but the stadium was 1.2 million of the loan.

The ground lease from may 2002 is prior to the stadium renovations. I am not sure what it covers. That would be a good question for the BOE. Clearly the district already owned the land the stadium was on, 2008 was a renovation in the existing space.

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27Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago


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28poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Real truth, now you have lived up to your name.

You have admitted that you do not support the wages and benefits of public sector workers no matter what. That is certainly your decision. And in my opinion, it is certainly more admirable than trying to stir the proverbial pot with accusations about the stadium costs and other diversions.

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29Boardman120(82 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Interesting posts on this article.

I admit I'm a bit confused, though.

Everyone who voted against Issue 2/SB 5 must SURELY be voting FOR this levy, right?

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30southsidedave(5198 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

If this passes, we must all believe in Santa Claus (the taxpayer)

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31resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What do the board and superintendent not understand? That the public knows that wages and health insurance benefits were locked in before SB5 went into effect so minimize the impact on employees and continue to pass the cost on to taxpayers? That employees should have been asked to take concessions in light of the current economic climate? That years of spending without regard for the sacrifices people have made to support the schools have finally caught up with them? That everyone has had funding cuts and only the Poland school board is refusing to get it? That we see scare tactics for what they are? An independent consultant should be brought in to evaluate the situation and make recommendations--the board and superintenent can't be trusted to make hard decisions. Yes they have lost state funding, but the Poland schools have had too much money thrown at them to be in this predicament. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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32resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What do the board and superintendent not understand? That the public knows that wages and health insurance benefits were locked in before SB5 went into effect to minimize the impact on employees and continue to pass unreasonable costs on to taxpayers? That employees should have been asked to take concessions--not a pay freeze in the second year of the contract-- in light of the current economic climate? That years of spending without regard for the sacrifices people have made to support the schools have finally caught up with them? That everyone has had funding cuts and only the Poland school board is refusing to get it? That we see scare tactics for what they are? An independent consultant should be brought in to evaluate the situation and make recommendations--the board and superintenent can't be trusted to make hard decisions. Yes they have lost state funding, but the Poland schools have had too much money thrown at them to be in this predicament. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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33poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Natureman, the BOE needs to vote twice on the levy amount in order to meet the requirements to put it on the ballot in Nov. They were not ready to do so at the May BOE meeting and so they had this "special" meeting on 6/10 and then the regular BOE mtg on 6/25 where the 2nd vote will happen. There has to be a certain amount of time between votes, etc.

That being said, they were supposed to have the first vote on 5/21, so this was no surprise to anyone who was following along. It is not like they opened up the commencement address with a press release about a levy!

Although the more I think about it, Commencement is the perfect day though. As in "step up and support our schools so that current and future students can have the same opportunities that these graduates did".

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34poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I just heard on the radio that Dr. Zorn is retiring December 31st.

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35poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Natureman, I was not at commencement. Wasn't the speaker Sweeney? He is not on the BOE and I really have no idea what he relationship is with Poland except that he graduated there. I would agree with you that there should have been no talk about the levy at commencement. That address should be able the graduate's future.

As far as the BOE meeting beforehand, well that should not matter. It was convenient, and they did it last year too.

But again, I agree with you that it was not appropriate for there to be talk about the levy or school funding at all for that matter, but I am not sure that the BOE bears any responsibility for that.

BTW, congrats on your graduate! I don't know if you have more children in the district, but your daughter was fortunate to attend during a time of excellent opportunities. My oldest is only in elementary and I do not think that the district she will know will compare to the one your daughter does.

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36polandfan(27 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's recap what this "insert derogatory term here" Board has done over the past two years, shall we?

1.) Cut wasteful bussing of HS students
2.) Cut staff, reduced hours, and did not replace retiring employees (60 employees affected in some manner)
3.) Negotiated a new contract that contained wage freeze and concession (step freeze)
4.) Instituted pay to participate fees in order to reduce the amount spent on athletics
5.) Dr. Zorn resigns 3 years before his contract is up and Poland will now be instituting the first Superintendent change in almost 40 years

That's more action than any Poland board has taken in my lifetime here!

The board and the teachers both know they will have to address the benefits package when they sit down at the bargaining table next summer. And there will be either a school closure or open enrollment in the near future too. But outside of that, what's left to address that will get you to support a levy?

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37keepingitreal(25 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Polandfan, every single cut or change you mentioned above impacted the students and families of Poland schools, not the employees. This school board continues to bite the hand that feeds them and has increased the burden on every Poland family with children. And these are the families that have voted down the school levy because of tough economic times.

A pay FREEZE and step freeze? PLEASE shed a tear. We in the private sector have had to CUT BACK way more than this in benefits and retirement!!

This Board (not including Lavorinie) negotiated and signed off on the last labor agreements. The treasurer gave his blessing to the labor contracts. They were extremely stupid, arrogant, or both to have done this. Let the Board President Dinopolas scare us and threaten us some more. We the voters want fiscal restraint and will keep voting no until we get it.

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38sam_carter(121 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Heres my two cents.
1. I dont think teachers are overpaid. They are professionals with a required degree and they do a good job. Let me tell you, all these years i have greatly enjoyed the band, the band concerts, the school plays, the sports. They are doing something right there.
2. I like the new stadium. I see it used all the time one way or the other.
3.I have a problem with the state cutting the funding that put us into this mess. Specifically with the so called "study" to sell the turnpike. And why doesnt anybody complain about how much the governor overpaid his buddies, but yet you complain about how much teachers make?
4. The state supreme court ruled that the present school funding system is unconstitutional 7 times. Why is nobody ranting about that?
5. Every school system in the area got a brand new school campus built in the recent past except for Poland. Paid for by the state, which means paid for by us taxpayers. So we in Poland paid for everybody elses new schools.
6. The school board meetings are the proper place to opine, not here.

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39meagain(85 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Those of you who truly understand school funding and how it has impacted us do not continue to waste your time and energy here. You are better off having discussions with the people you come in contact with on a daily basis. Arm yourself with the true information and spread the word. I appreciate your attempt here, but really it’s the same five people who truly don’t understand and are unwilling to even hear information that may go against the opinion that they have formed. I know you, like me, fear that a casual reader may come across this and assume they speak the truth. Speak up, be vigilant and share your knowledge with everyone you meet. It’s always amazing to me how little people truly know or how grossly misinformed people are when it comes to this topic. I just keep hoping someday I’ll come across them at a social gathering and can really let them know they are in fact very wrong. I've grown weary of trying to explain it here to the same few who are likely just unhappy bitter folk who are miserable with most every aspect of life anyway. Keep at it. Our kids, teachers and community are worth it.

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40polandfan(27 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

It only hurt the kids, not the employees?
Bus drivers lost wages and all benefits. Tell them nobody got hurt. Teachers, tutors, and guidance professionals were out of a job, Tell them nobody got hurt. C.mon man!

Ya'll realize that this cry to take medical contributions up 10% saves around $100,000 right?
"like shutting off one light in one hallway in one school"

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41resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Philosophically, I don't think teachers are overpaid either but when the community can absorb no more it is time for an adjustment. Most people who also have degrees and are professional have had their salaries and insurance benefits reduced. Polandfan says that increasing the copay will save a mere $100,000. First of all, that is not an insignificant savings to most prople. If this is how money is viewed in the Poland schools, it is no wonder we are in this mess. But this is a good point because all s/he is considering is the savings being realized by increasing the staff copay. The other problem, which costs the organization and the taxpayer much more money, is the richness of the plan. This is what drives up the cost of the premiums. So cost containment measures have to address both problems. This is how you reduce expenses for the long term so maybe the schools will be able to buy books on a regular basis for the kids. I can't believe the board doesn't understand this, but I also don't believe they will handle it.

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42poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Increasing the copays will save $100,000 but the levy is to raise $2,181,867.00 per year. Increasing copays is not going to make up for years of cuts from the state. Neither are pay freezes.

The point is that the problem is WAY bigger than cuts can solve and the school district is not to blame. Several posters "get it" about school funding, but many just keeping beating the same dead horse.

And while there are certainly some residents of Poland who cannot afford the tax increase, I completely disagree that it is the majority. Nearly everyone I know of who is against the levy has an axe to grind because there was a teacher that they did not like, or a coach that did not let their child play or they just plain think that their teacher neighbor makes too much money.

I am not sure the annual cost for this millage, but based on previous levies it should be less than $200/yr for $100,000. That is $16 per month to save our schools. That is about what my pizza order cost last night....

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43poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Resident14 - I am pretty sure that the BOE has indicated that copays will be addressed in the next contract.

From what I have seen and heard, there is no intent to just ask for more money and then doing nothing more to cut costs in the district. But there really is not much left to cut and increasing copays will not solely balance the budget.

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44resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Whether or not there is intent to ask for more cost saving measures, the community is not willing to throw money at an organization that has not demonstrated fiscal responsibility. We are accused of not understanding school funding (I do); we wonder if anyone in the Poland schools has ever heard of a budget.We don't trust anyone. Polandfan keeps going back to copays--these are the least of the problem. S/he ignores the ridiculous richness of the health care plan, the generous increases between steps on the pay scale, and the fact that the entire scale goes up every time a raise is negotiated. But the community does understand this. Another $200? On top of how many thousands that have not been wisely spent? Had this money been spent according to sound budgeting practices, the amount needed in a levy would be substantially less despite the cuts from the state. Until I see a ratified contract that guarantees steps are taken, I will not support a levy.

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45Jake(112 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Some of the comments are laughable. First off, taxes were not used to pay for the football stadium. Second, not everyone in Poland "can afford it" despite what you have chosen to believe.

When the teachers pay a real share of their health insurance, talk to me. Those of us who work in the real world pay over 20% of our premiums. Their salaries would be above average for year round employment. For 9-10 month employment they are exceptional. Cut. Your. Costs.

No way 5.9 mills passes in an election year.

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46meagain(85 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

So if you understand school funding, explain why a district such as say Campbell or Struthers that pays their teachers on average the same as Poland along with similar benefits packages and newer schools and even a newer stadium in Campbell doesn’t have similar financial issues.

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47meagain(85 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Pretty much the response I expected. Anyone else?

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48keepingitreal(25 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Poland21, if copays adjustment would "only" cut costs $ 100,000, then why did the Board initiate and mandate play-to-particpate for sports and band? That will "only" raise $100,000?

If it is just a small sacrifice on Poland Schools employees, why don't the teachers step up and reopen the contract negotiations and accept the higher deductions? Instead they say screw the community, we'll see you when the current contract ends?

If the Board, led by Dr. Dinopolous, can arbitrarily impose a punishing and high monetary fee on Poland athletes and band members and their families, why can't the Board impose the same sanctions on those that can most afford it, the school employees and administrators?

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49polandfan(27 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Just using your own words against you. Ya'lll were the ones saying that the pay to participate was a drop in the bucket...well the thing you are fighting so hard for is an even SMALLER bucket. Way to totally misconstrue my point.

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50resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

We are not fighting for just increased copays--we are saying that benefit rich plan must be brought in line with the rest of the world and that the salary scale must be adusted. This, with increased copays, would begin to reign in costs. Just think--even a paltry $100,000/ year is a $1,000,000 over 10 years.I doesn't solve the problem but it's a start.

As for how Campbell and Struthers afford it, well maybe they haven't had wasteful bussing or paid tutors or an excessively expensive stadium at taxpayer expense. In some of these very schools, they actually apply for grants to pay tutors instead of passing the cost on to the taxpayer. How much are we to pay for? Where does the taxpayer's responsibility end and the administration's begin?

I do feel for this Board--they are dealing with anger that has been brewing for many, many years and has now come to a head. If they were wise, they would take the emotion out of it and bring in an objective third party to review finances. But that would mean and honest and open accounting of how things are done in the schools. I won't hold my breath.

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51polandfan(27 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

And I would agree with you resident. Just saying that no matter what further actions are taken, there will still be a need for some type of levy support. There are no steps that can reel in $2M a year. And your point about $100,000 a year meaning $1M in 10 years is also a good one...just like the fact that the step freeze that nobody thinks was a big deal with save roughly $2M over those same 10 years because that is a freeze that can never be made up...the younger teachers in the system will always make less than they would have been.
And perhaps the new Superintendent will be the objective 3rd party you are suggesting(?)

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52meagain(85 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

That response again is typical, but not any where near the reality. I'm only asking because you said you understand school funding.

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53resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Polandfan: To my way of thinking asking a new superintendant to handle this mess is so unfair. There are many difficult issues to address that have a financial impact on everyone in the community --salaries and benefits are just the beginning. No matter what actions are taken, there will be criticism from both the public and the staff. Wouldn't it be better to hire an idependent consultant (to take the heat) and let the new superintendant start with a clean slate? Who would want the job if this is what they are facing?

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54meagain(85 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Majority? Say honest.

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55poland21(108 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago


With the recent implementation of sports fees, how do you think paying a consultant would be perceived?

I am curious your thoughts because I think it could go both ways.... I think the Board is between a rock and a hard place and a flood is coming so they will keep pushing and eventually something will give...

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56cashew01(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Seriously Poland Schools needs to be changed this is why I am opposed. 81% of tax dollars goes to teachers salaries. I went to the school to pick up my son at the high school and two teachers were out front talking about the Indians game I went into the office and two secretaries needed the help of four students to go get my son as I stood in the hall way watching one teacher clown around in the hall with two students and you can see the teacher in the library just sitting their while a student was putting a chew in. I waited in the hall for about 15 minutes across from me in another office was a female teacher that talked to students like she was just hanging out with them. Once I left guess what the two teachers outside were still talking about the Indians. Teachers need to go when a business is struggling they let employees go and usually it starts at the top so Dr. Zorn you are fired.

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57resident14(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Polandfan: That is a really good question. I don't know how parents or community members would react to paying a consultant. To me it makes perfect sense to hire a consultant, but I have a lot of experience negotiating contracts and I know that this is one of the most volatile situations I've ever seen.

I know this won't happen, but if the board were wise, they would rescind the pay to play fees for the time being, take the levy off the ballot, hire the consultant, and demonstrate how costs will be reigned in. They would ask employees to negotiate before next summer, and if they are smart, the employees would agree. To show they are serious about curbing costs, salaries and benefits for adminstrative staff should be addressed now by the Board. Instead, they put a levy on the ballot that costs taxpayers even more without touching the big costs.They have to take action that shows they have heard the community, and an independent consultant could help accomplish that. I feel for the Board, but I don't know what they're thinking either. It's not that they don't know or understand, they just keep doing the same thing over and over and over. And people are getting angrier, and angrier, and angrier.

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58OldSchool2(20 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Have any of you spreading ignorant negativity checked Poland's spending as compared to other successful districts in the state? It's pretty comparable. Seems that education is a rather worthwhile investment. Perhaps you should move to a low end community where you receive less and perhaps pay less. You sound like you'll fit in nicely there.

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59OldSchool2(20 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I suppose you're planning to vote no for the village levies as well...what's your excuse for that?

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