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Canfield replaces girls softball coach



Published: Sun, January 15, 2012 @ 12:05 a.m.

By christine keeling

ckeeling@vindy.com

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Canfield High School has replaced Ronalyn Haurin as the girls softball coach, after years of parental complaints.

The school district wants to go in a “new direction,” said Greg Cooper, athletic director. After sorting through 13 applicants, the district decided that Ray Melewski of Canfield will lead the team.

“Parents, many of who have been stridently against Haurin, are wrong,” said Cooper. “But we want to start with a fresh look.”

A new coach will help the district develop stability within the program and move on without any malice, he said. “Melewski offer-ed us the combination of desire, enthusiasm and coaching knowledge.”

Melewski has coached junior varsity for Howland and travel teams, he said.

Cooper also said he believes the new coach will put the best possible team on the field while developing a strong rapport with parents and the community.

Haurin coached for the district since the 2000-01 year and led the Cardinals to a Division II state softball title in 2008 and the school’s volleyball team to the regional semifinals this year.

But for almost all of Haurin’s six-year tenure as a softball coach, some parents of players leveled complaints about mistreatment and called for the district to replace her, public records show.

She declined to comment.

Records also show Haurin complained about the behavior of softball players’ parents. She indicated, in letters, that parents inappropriately questioned coaching decisions, shouted out at games and instilled negativity in players.

Records generated by Cooper show more than 15 parents and students attended a meeting with him to discuss Haurin in 2006, and at least one parent of a softball player expressed concern in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Cooper said he receives complaints about every coach and initiates reviews in every case. If the matter is not resolved, it can then move to the schools superintendent before reaching board members.

Dante Zambrini, superintendent, and Cooper said they believe the complaints against Haurin have centered around parents’ unhappiness with their child’s softball playing time, placement and position.

Records and letters submitted to the district indicate parents also have complained about the coach’s cutting off communication to select players or not communicating effectively, giving preferential treatment, criticizing players in public and mismanaging fundraising accounts.

Haurin is a physical education teacher at C.H. Campbell Elementary School and has been employed by the district for more than 15 years. A determination on whether she will continue coaching volleyball won’t be made until this summer, Cooper said.

Haurin “was very caring, worked diligently and expected a lot from her girls,” Cooper said. “She hadn’t been able to develop a rapport with the parents.”

Melissa Hyde filed a lawsuit Oct. 31 in Mahoning County Common Pleas Court seeking damages of $100 per day up to $1,000 from the Canfield school board for not fulfilling a public-records request seeking disciplinary and personnel records for Cooper and Haurin, as well as all complaints concerning the school’s softball team and its coach.

She stated in the suit that she “has a good-faith belief that her daughter has been repeatedly harassed and intimidated by Haurin and that many other students and parents have complained about Haurin, but the school board is concealing this pattern and therefore concealing these requested records as well.”

To fulfill the request, the district compiled more than 1,600 documents.

Donald Gallick, Hyde’s lawyer, is questioning whether everything has been provided. A letter outlining their concerns has been sent to the district’s attorney, he said.

“Regardless of the substance of the records, citizens keeping an eye on the government is what the Ohio public-records law was designed to do,” Gallick said.

Besides Cooper’s records and parent letters, many emails between district employees were included.

Former board member Renee Gessner said she was frustrated June 7 when she emailed Zambrini stating she would not support a supplemental contract renewal for Haurin. Gessner’s term ended Jan. 1.

All one-year supplemental contracts in the district, which include coaching, are terminated in April and refilled the following school year.

Gessner wrote, in part, to Zambrini:

“If I see Ronie Haurin’s name listed for volleyball or softball, I will vote ‘no’ for her hiring. I will also make sure that I call all the parents past and present that have dealt with this problem, to be in attendance at the board meeting. If The Vindicator and all three stations want to know why I voted “no” on this coach, I will speak out on the issue of bullying. I will have a prepared statement expressing my coaching philosophy and that our administration appears to be more concerned with protecting coaches than our students.”

Gessner, asked about her email, said she never saw bullying by Haurin, Instead, she said, Haurin’s coaching style was one she didn’t agree with and wondered why the district would deal with the “abrupt” style when it continued to cause issues.

“I have heard friends complain about a coach, but it doesn’t make it to the board.” said Gessner. “It came to the board three times, and that’s what became the red flag for me.”

In the email, Gessner listed 2007, 2009 and 2011 as the years in which the matters regarding Haurin reached the board.

It was not the first time she expressed concern for Canfield athletics.

In 2008, Gessner wrote to Cooper, Zambrini and board member Anthony Peluso, “It saddens me that there are student athletes who feel that if they express their concerns to their coach that they will be penalized,” it stated.

Still, Gessner and all other board members voted during a June 30 special meeting to approve Haurin as volleyball coach for the 2011-12 season. Gessner said she voted “yes” because she had never heard any complaints about volleyball.

She understood, at the time, that the administration was doing an investigation into softball, she said.

No public records or a summary report exist from interviews Zambrini and/or Cooper conducted during June with several players of the 2010-11 softball team and their parents. Zambrini said he did not keep records because he didn’t want them to be public.


Comments

1muf65fin(27 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Here we go again!
Let the parents' run the show.
It didn't take long for the new board members to cater to the parents.
Nice going.
Do you people think a school levy will ever pass in Canfield?. Hide the real facts. Is there a sunshinelaw?
Zambrini and Cooper are both total jerks and know nothing about coaching.
New Coach? A degree in Education?
Does he teach at the High School?
New board members SOS.
Nothing changes in Canfield.
Afraid to be their own persons.
Will he put the school on probation by practing out of season?

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2watchingthepolitics(97 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Obviously the parents who were *itching thought that their brat wasn't getting enough playing time.

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3jmagaratz(167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

“Parents, many of who have been stridently against Haurin, are wrong,” said Cooper. “But we want to start with a fresh look.”

Wattabuncha hogwash.....face it.....parents of "CAWNNFIELD" are spoiled rotten and thus an excellent system of public education starts down the slippery slope to mediocrity.....maybe they can merge with Youngstown?

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4chaney87(6 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Pure politics! Cannot say about her coaching, but 3rd child is at CH and all 3 love her. One of my kids is a special needs student. She has gone above AND beyond to help my son. The people behind this should be ashamed of themselves!

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5breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I am guessing maybe she does well with little kids vs teenage girls.
The proof is in the records she has affected so many girls and always remember what comes around goes around!!!!! (Which is out of your control)
Keep blaming the parents--Makes everyone feel better--dont worry about the girls--way to go Renee you hit it on the head---more concerned of protecting the coaches than students--Thats the way the AD rolls.
Zambrini-he didnt want the public to see the documentation of the investigation-COME ON !!

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6breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

And Chaney87
If you cannot say anything about her coaching-thats what this is about so comment on the issue

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7walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

So, Gessner will speak on the issue of bullying by the coach with respect to the softball team even though she has not seen any but she voted to OK Haurin for the volleyball coach position because there were never any complaints on that team. She didn't like her abrupt style !?! It would seem likely that Haurin would use the same coaching style and philosophy for both teams. I would have to believe that this is more about the parents instilling the idea in their daughter's minds that the coach is the problem. Maybe, just maybe, the girl isn't the best player in spite of what the parents say. The players know who the best ones are and who should be playing, yet the team has won a state title. This would never have happened if the softball coach was a man instead of a woman. I can guarantee that if I was coach and a parent complained to me about their kid's playing time, they would have plenty of splinters in their butt because they would be riding the pine! Leave it to the parents to screw up a kid's game.

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8breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Keep focusing on playing time and parents, just like the admin, keeps the focus off where it should be.
Your right the players do know who should play and they all know they won state without HER.
Plenty of Volleyball complaints were made but never got past AD or Super, imagine that one.
Talk to the girls if you want the truth is exactly right.
Oh and this doesnt seem like its one girl as the article shows atleast 19 but sure there are plenty more not on file, but truth is one is tooooo many.
But all you parents are wrong-says the AD.
Bottom line she is gone from softball and good luck to all you future softball players.
Oh and it helps that Gessner was out numbered as this coach has relatives on the board but that wouldnt contribute to anything now would it????

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9breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I think we should get with this parent and make copies of all the public records she has and spread the truth around
I can bet there are some interesting things in that file.

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10canfieldrebel(37 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The Canfield district will never admit any wrongdoing publically....that is why they keep insisting that the parents are wrong and the coach has been unfairly maligned. And yes....there is a large amount of self-protection among the Administration and the Board going on here....the former coach is the sister of the District Treasurer and the former sister-in-law of the current Board President. To make a lawsuit go away, the Administration and AD have supplied 1600 pages of token, worthless docs. The real complaints, the real issues, the real problems were never really addressed and no records really exist because Mr. Zambrini strives to maintain the appearance that all is fine and good in the Canfield schools. If you don't document it...it did not happen. It cannot be made public. It does not have to be reported. No one needs to know about it and no one will ever know how the issue was resolved. This is the way Canfield has operated since Mr. Zambrini assumed leadership of this district. Does not matter if it is a parent complaining about a teacher's classroom conduct, a discipline issue within the schools, or a violation of a student's civil or educational rights. If you don't document it, it did not happen. That is why the same nonsense continues, year after year after year. The same coaches and teachers become notorius...everyone knows about it, but no one can do anything to change it because of the Administration and Board. And if it is documented, you are not allowed to see it because of school Privacy laws. More crap has gone unaddressed in this District under the guise of privacy or ommission.

Renee Gessner never stood a chance on the school board. She never had anyone to back her up in her decisions. Let's hope the new school board members can swing the Board votes towards decisions that reflect the best interests of the students and towards good common sense.

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11canfieldrebel(37 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@Walter...in Canfield, I have seen plenty of coaches screw up a kid's game. Far more coaches than parents. Yes, a coach must be afforded a certain amount of leeway to make decisions for the benefit of the entire team. But when a coach discriminates against a player because of dislike for that player's parent or discriminates against a player because of a disability, or decides to bully/harass/belittle a player....That coach cannot be given carte blanche for their behavior. Gotta love someone who will punish a kid because of a parent's behavior! Someone like that does not deserve to be a coach!

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12breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Zambrini quote:

"he did not keep records because he didnt want them to be public"

Why? would he not keep records.?
Sounds pretty fishy to me.

When you do any investigation I would think by law you would keep records?

Hmmmmmmmmm-?????

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13canfieldrebel(37 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Unless they are forced into compliance by a higher authority, there are quite a few state and federal laws that mean nothing to the Administration and school board in Canfield.

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14breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Canfield has become what the Admin/Board have allowed it to and the community is fed up and the vote NO levy proves it (over and over) how sad that they keep blaming the parents the same people that pay their HIGH salaries and Taxes.
How much of your taxes are you local parents paying now for the lawyer to defend them?
This coach makes what? over $80,000 being a PE and coach??

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15chaney87(6 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Breezer6, do not tell me what to and what not to comment on. It's b/s politics. What are you and the cry baby parents teaching their daughters? If you don't make the cut, aren't as good as Jody or Suzi you cry foul? The coach is mean? She's picking on me? BooHoo, welcome to the real world. Were you picked on or a bench warmer when you were in school?

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16TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Chaney87, b/s politics is right!

Well, I mean on the schools part. That last paragraph certainly sums it up, doesn't it? Zambrini didn't keep records in last year's investigation of the softball program because he didn't want them to become public record. I can hardly believe he was quoted saying that. That statement alone should worry every single resident of Canfield with children in the schools. A superintendent who thinks secrecy and "dodging" the law in an effort to keep the public in the dark is the way to conduct school business and the best way to serve the community.

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17breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Chaney87
Then dont start your comment off by saying you cannot say anything about her coaching, this article is all about her coaching!!!!!!!!!
No wonder you like her obviously with your comments you have the same type of personality calling people cry babies when you know nothing about the situation and admitted that from the start,
How old are you?
And for knowing nothing about it you sure have the same view as those coaches-BooHoo-sounds familiar from the last blog coaches.
Way to be mature.
Not picked on or a bench warmer but this coach has told the girls all about both her kids being bench warmers.

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18breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

no comments wow wonder why?

Focus should be on the AD now as he has allowed this to continue and only documented what he felt he needed to and was very clear that the parents are WRONG.

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19breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Besides Cooper’s records and parent letters, many emails between district employees were included.

Lets get these copies...

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20sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Got some of those emails: heres one you will enjoy:
To ALL the Volleyball parents heres an email from your AD to your Volleyball Coach in his exact words:
Aug 4, 2011:
"no good deed goes unpunished" "Communicating with the girls is important and even though some of them (and their parents) didnt like to hear your staffs frank assessments, they need the medicine"

Wow you players and parents need the medicine, that is how your AD feels about YOU and your children.

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21sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

They blacked out all the names of the complaints??????
what I can see 25 people complained in writing

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22sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

AD called one parent
a gadfly, another a passive aggressive parent.

Nice coming from a professional!!

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23sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

July 24, 2011
email from Super to AD:
"they will present to the board concerning the Hyde's they will not prepare a written statement and there will be NO handout, just a verbal summary and period of questions/responses"

This backs up the quote in the Vindy from the Super:
No public records or a summary report exist from interviews Zambrini and/or Cooper conducted during June with several players of the 2010-11 softball team and their parents. Zambrini said he did not keep records because he didn’t want them to be public.

Deceiving the parents amd taxpayers?????

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24sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well this is all I got but looks pretty fishy all the way around!

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25breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Wow that is some pretty interesting information sadstory, can we get copies?

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26breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

That is some pretty harsh words coming from an AD!
And the community puts up with that behavior ?

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27breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

sadstory

so what you are saying is:
That 25 people are WRONG according to the AD and Super?

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28breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Get some more of those emails if you can it just proves out the corruption within.

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29sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

breezer

thats all I have will try to get more from what Iam told there are more interesting emails the public needs to see.

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30sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

and alot of missing documents

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31sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The truth always prevails in the end

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32reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

sadstory

And it all comes out in the end too.
Where are the protectors now?

Not too many boo hoos going on this time around.

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33reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Wheres Getalife, suckitup and Coach1234??

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34reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

This was SUCKITUPS WORDS:
Your right REALLYPEOPLE, public records will show what's happened, a group of uptight, think their kids are better then they are, doing whats' best for them not their children, childish adults with nothing better to do than try to drag a good teacher/coach name through the mud out of spite.

Your public records showed quite the opposite SUCKITUP, ???

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35reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

TheSituation (Comment16)

Your post pretty much sums it all up

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36reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Records and letters submitted to the district indicate parents also have complained about the coach’s cutting off communication to select players or not communicating effectively, giving preferential treatment, criticizing players in public and mismanaging fundraising accounts.

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37breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Nice info Reallypeople
looking back on your past comments and the permalink to:
Canfield parent files lawsuite against school board

Thats some interesting history

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38sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well:
Super is retiring-???
Coaches are gone-???

Corruption starts within:

AD???
Family members on Board???

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39sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

“Parents, many of who have been stridently against Haurin, are wrong,” said Cooper. “But we want to start with a fresh look.”

who gives Cooper the right to say:
parents are wrong?

The same person who said the parents and players need the medicine??

WOW !!!

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40breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

People who think they are untouchable apparently

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41breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

and called parents names and what will the lawyer do about that I would think thats pretty bad!

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42breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

citizens keeping an eye on the government is what the Ohio public-records law was designed to do,” Gallick said

Sounds like this lawyer knows his stuff and for once not one that puts up with corruption.

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43breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Haurin “was very caring, worked diligently and expected a lot from her girls,” Cooper said. “She hadn’t been able to develop a rapport with the parents.”

CARING, REALLY?
NO RAPPORT WITH PLAYERS EITHER get it right if your going to say it.
They all played the game because they had to, otherwise retaliation and mistreatment were your punishment.

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44TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"Still, Gessner and all other board members voted ... to approve Haurin as volleyball coach for the 2011-12 season. Gessner said she voted “yes” because she had never heard any complaints about volleyball." The reason is that Cooper never brought the Volleyball complaints to the Board formally. The board and Zambrini know parents complained about her in volleyball, but as with softball, he ignored them year after year. I know for a fact that parents complained (in person, email and in letters) about her. They can skirt the issue, but it is a lie to say parents did not complain!

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45TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

When the first article ran I was confident that the investigation of last year's softball team would help explain what has been going on. Are the allegations unfounded or is there something "wrong" going on?
Shockingly, Zambrini decided to omit the notes that were taken in the private meetings and completely not document anything. Why? So the public would not know what they learned. Why not show the public the "very caring, and "diligent" coach? Are we to believe all the parents are wrong? The notes had to go in the shredder I guess.
Taking a "fresh look" is admission enough. This coach has a bad history. And the administration looked away. So easy to blame the parents. Change has only come since
someone brought a lawsuit.
And there would have to be the same problems in volleyball. It would be a shame if she gets to keep coaching volleyball because those complaints didn't get the attention they should have. The Super admits not documenting stuff. Sports are supposed to be fun for kids. Not a source of stress and misery. Come on Canfield start putting the student-athlete first and not the abusive coaches.

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46TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I feel like there is more to the story, that we will never know. Other area school boards, AD's and SI's go above and beyond to support parents, students and athletes but not at Canfield and not with this coach. I go back many years, before the new AD, and can't believe the Canfield administration has continued to let this escalate to a lawsuit. My response would be:

"no good deed goes unpunished" "...didnt like to hear your COMMUNITY's frank assessments, they need the medicine"

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47TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Of course there is more to the story we don't know. Zambrini openly admits not documenting stuff so the public won't know!

June 2012 Zambrini retires. Hopefully, the board is reading these comments and changes their ways.

The public has a right to know what is going on in their schools and documenting complaints and disciplinary actions of coaches is part of their jobs. Whether they like to or not.

They are accountable for their actions or the lack of them.

They want their levies to pass. Show you are accountable.

It is hard to believe this has went as far as it has.

What an embarrassment for such a highly esteemed school district.

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48lumper(284 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

i worry about the education these girls are receiving. if the coach doesn't like me and i'm not good enough baseball wise to overcome that, how stupid must i be to not quit and GO OUT FOR TRACK !!!!

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49dawgalong(86 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Admitting to dereliction of duties in regard to properly documenting administrative actions should initiate discipline on the offending parties. The board will once again fail to take action. As with the failure to supply full financial disclosure of the districts spending habits to the taxpayers, a pattern of colusion and corruption continues unchecked within the Canfield school district. Ensuring that a proper investigation is held by a third party that is not related to anyone that holds an administrative position is the responsibility of the board. They will continue to fail in their duties.

If an insignificant issue with a coach is covered up, To what length is the administration willing to stoop to cover up any financial misdeeds in regard to the administrations spending habits?

The issue with the coach's inability, or refusal, to keep financial records of fundraising has seemed to disappear from the conversation. Time after time we read about people entrusted with non profit monies that are accused of "helping themselves" to the funds. Was there an investigation conducted by the administration? What was the outcome? Were all funds accounted for? Perhaps the relationship between the treasurer, whom I would assume would conduct the investigation, prevented an investigation entirely. Given the admision of the administration that they intentionally conceal wrongdoing, I would not be surprised if we never hear another word about the fundraising money.

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50lumper(284 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

dawgalong has it correct. these are the issues- not some child's place on a team. and if you think the new school board is going to be different you are naive. the new members are ex teachers- more of the same. they will just try harder to come up with better excuses for lack of action.

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51breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Funny how they always come back with its all about the kids position and playing time.
Get real----the history and the records prove out all the blaming of the parents from the Super and AD was way off
It is a good day for those parents and players justice finally DONE

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52sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

NO NO Breezer

Justice wont be done until Super,AD, and Board Members that need held accountable are GONE

Any one that can say those remarks about parents and playes needing the medicine need to GO

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53sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Turningtables comment 47

EXACTLY!!!!!!

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54Wolf06(18 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

It appears the comment referred to above about the softball players and their parents needing the medicine they received referred to them receiving frank and unbiased evaluations by the coaching staff of the players' abilities following try-outs. Sounds fair to me,...

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55canfieldrebel(37 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Wolf06:

Please retire before June. Just go away and stop making public statements.
You continue to hurt Canfield and the students in the school district you administrate so poorly. Your executive decisions and judgement in this issue are just a very small example of your inability to be an effective, accountable, responsible, honest, fair, open-minded, intelligent Superintedent.

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56TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Wolf06,

You didn't really mean to use the word "unbiased" did you?

One of the ongoing issues with this coach is her bias. She notoriously plays favorites. Or she mistreats players she doesn't like for whatever reason. For example, not liking the parents for going to the AD to complain about something she inappropriately did or said to a player. Then, she hates the parents for going to the AD and takes it out on the kid.
She's had her successes not because she is such a great coach, but because she has been lucky enough to be stacked with talent. It's the parents who invest time and money into their daughters to play travel ball or JO volleyball. That's how the players are so good and she gets to reap the benefits.
Everyone knows playing for her is a joke. It's miserable. She doesn't have a clue on how to build team morale. Or how to converse with a player who has mustered up the nerve to ask about playing time. Maybe the AD should send her to some coaching or psychology classes before he let's her coach volleyball again. Please don't try and mislead people into thinking she gives frank and unbiased assessments of players abilities. That's not at all what she does. And for the AD to use those words just shows the contempt that has been generated by the school (coach, AD, and Super)towards the parents. The parents are not the problem.

Why couldn't she establish a rapport with the parents? If she can't deal with the adults how can she deal with the young ladies?

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57lumper(284 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

where's the fundraising money ?

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58reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Canfieldrebel

Dont be so sure thats the Super, History shows in wording its probably the AD, trying to protect his comment!
No excuse gives him he right to say parents and players deserve ANY MEDICINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO RIGHT AT ALL!

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59reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

oh and Wolf06 get it right your comment was made to the Volleyball players and parents NOT softball!

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60reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

and Wolf96 how would you know if this was about tryouts???? nothing in this statement says anything about tryouts????

To ALL the Volleyball parents heres an email from your AD to your Volleyball Coach in his exact words:
Aug 4, 2011:
"no good deed goes unpunished" "Communicating with the girls is important and even though some of them (and their parents) didnt like to hear your staffs frank assessments, they need the medicine"

GOTCHA

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61sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

hey : reallypeople

Wolf06 must be lost for words?

Defending his words will not work this time just like defending this coach for all those years, you have been called out and the truth will always prevail.

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62TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

What does "no good deed goes unpunished" mean in this email?

I'd like some context to this statement. The rest of it is pretty clear. The AD acts like the coach is the be all and end all to coaching. Her assessment in his mind must always be right. He must believe nothing else influences her coaching decisions expect pure unabashed talent, hard work and a good attitude. Wrong.

No, nothing could be further from the truth. She has a chip on her shoulder about her own children's playing experiences all the way back to one of her kids who got "wronged" at the Canfield baseball club when he was in little league.

The softball team could never utilize the batting barn or the fields (the one's YSU plays on) because the coach had a grudge against someone there going back all those years. Thank goodness that baloney is over.

She's also told everyone how she's had to watch her own kids ride the pine. So, I guess she feels justified in playing games with other people's kids just for the sake of playing 'em.

Humor me. What good deed is the AD referring to? Giving her biased assessment on the players that includes all her other "baggage" and agenda?

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63TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't get the "no good deed..." comment either. Can someone explain the cliche? I don't think people should comment about the topic of her coaching unless they have actually had a kid or a relative play on one of her teams. After years of coaching has any former athletes stepped up to say what a positive learning experience it was or what a great role model she represented?

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64TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I wondered that too TurningTables. But, I didn't want to mention it because I thought *poof* those happy content former athletes would suddenly materialize. lol

All the time that has went by from the first article in November to this one, and not any defenders and supporters. Not a single former player.... speaks volumes.

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65TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well said Wolverine!!! I wouldn't even be on this blog if the administration, AD or board would have given validity to at least ONE parent complaint in all those years. It never happened. The parents were always wrong, the players were cry babies, and they continued to protect the establishment. I want it to be crystal clear that this story is not based on the facts and history of the parental complaints for so many years.

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66breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

WEll Said by all.

Records also show Haurin complained about the behavior of softball players’ parents. She indicated, in letters, that parents inappropriately questioned coaching decisions, shouted out at games and instilled negativity in players.

Parents-can you honestly say you have ever witnessed this??

The parents kept there mouth shut and didnt say a word because if they did their kids would be retaliated against .
This is very sad when parents cannot express their true feelings and concerns and have to sit back and watch the abuse.
It is a free country and when can we let someone allow us to keep silent--IT IS A SAD DAY!!!!!!!

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67breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

A determination on whether she will continue coaching volleyball won’t be made until this summer, Cooper said.

This is very sad-their are several complainst about Volleyball in the file, which they did not take them to the board.
It is time for these Volleyball parents to stand up for their daughters and fight for what is morally the RIGHT thing to do.

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68dawgalong(86 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Did anyone notice that in the Vindy today, a YPD officer has to appear in court to explain why there is missing paperwork relevent to a homicide case. His superior suggests that "human error" is the root cause. The article states that the officer could be held in contempt of court for not delivering the required interview pages. The penalty could include jail time and a fine.

It seems as though the officer's superiors are coming to his defense in that it was an oversight. Human error. But the penalty could be steep.

In Canfield's school system you have administrators literally stating to the Vindicator that they purposely failed to document issues to avoid any potential liabilty on the district. Could this documentation been used against the administration or district in any potential lawsuits?

No follow up articles from the Vindy. No investigation. No outrage. No comment from the board. Odd.

The employee, from previous articles was reluctant to offer full disclosure in regard to funds that were collected. No follow up article or questions from the Vindy. No comment or published information in regard to any district initiated investigation. No comment from the board. Odd.

The many articles written in regard to the incompetence that surrounds the Canfield School District leave any normal reader with the impression that this is somehow a secert society. Nepotism, secret handshakes, double dipping, blatent overspending, lack of any basic business acumen, abysmal decision making (see energy program), mistreatment of students and athletes, and vendettas against ANYONE who speaks out are all apparently excepted in this heavily guarded closed society.

No investigations, no statements from the board, no investigative reporting from the local news. Odd, very odd.

But when academic awards are handed out, acheived mainly due to the high percentage of educated, caring parents in the district that insist their children value education, the administration pats themselves on the back and takes credit. They must then gorge themselves on Twinkies and cakes and all the spoils of the riches they have reaped from others efforts while proclaiming their invincibility.

Odd, Very Odd.

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69breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Very interesting dawgalong and very odd!!

i believe its not over yet with their lawyer.

Missing documents, there are plenty I hear and this will just get more and more interesting......
Canfields name will be brought in the paper again.....when will the madness end?

Your tax paying dollars keep racking up on the schools lawyer fees-----
but no money for your kids transportation and all the cut backs......very very very WRONG

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70walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

OK, while these posts make me laugh, this last one by Wolverine is ridiculous. I had two children go thru the Canfield Schools and they received an excellent education. Both are in college and doing quite well. In fact, my oldest is in medical research and the one thing that he always tells me is that, when he started college on Day One, he was extremely well prepared for the college curriculum he faced. Now, he will also admit that some of his teachers were better than others but that is the case with all professions. Some people are truly gifted and are exceptional at teaching. And, don't kid yourself; the Canfield teachers are well-compensated for their efforts and they know it. How many leave to teach in places like Youngstown or Warren?

Overall, the district provides good education for our tax dollar although I do believe that it is wrong to be handing out pay raises the way that has been going on over the last few years. I won't vote for any new levies until the STATE GOVT changes the manner in which school are funded as ordered by the Supreme Court.

But, to get so worked up over a coach is ridiculous. It's softball and volleyball and is supposed to be an extracurricular to the academics. So, you don't like the boss's decisions and believe that there is a consequence for speaking out. Well, welcome to the real world. If I were a coach and you came to me to discuss playing time of your kid, the player would be out for at least one game. I know of some coaches that will ask for uniforms if this happens.

But, you got your wish. Haurin is done in softball and Ray Melewski should do a good job. Now, after all of this, what if Ray doesn't play your "star" child either? Do you go after him now? All this wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth over a kid's game. Grow up people!

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71mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I am sure of this 85% of the population of Canfield are people that want to sit on their butts and do nothing but Betch!!! They want everything but God forbid they have to pay extra for anything. We have one of the best school systems in the state and if you want to keep it that way you will pay. Our athletic facilites are 2nd to none and that was done at no cost to the tax payers. Booster clubs do a great job funding their teams. I do not know Coach Haurin that well and never had anyone play for her but if she was tough on your kid and you thought that was unfair guess what life isn't fair. Just because you coached your kid and she made all the allstar teams at the thrill on the hill there on sheilds road does not make her an allstar. Get use to the fact you life is not like Burger King where you can have it your way. Kids today are soft and have no work ethic at all and why is that? Because of the parents!!! No one handed you anything you worked for it our parents installed values and work ethic in us. What happen to us doing the same for our kids instead of blaming the schools, teachers, coaches or bosses. Nobody is perfect and that includes your kids be there for them in the tough times but make them grow through those times don't make excuses. Life lessons are good for everyone there will be people you meet that don't like you or will give you a hard time learn from those experinces don't make excuses. You only get out of it what you but in it. If you do C work than you get a C don't expect an A because that what you think you deserve. I assure you that most coaches have the interest and player welfare #1 but if they were not competitive than they should not coach. By the time high school sports come around its time to learn that winning is important and it is one of the main reason the sport is played. Just like in life if you don't compete you get left behind. Stop making excuses for our kids teach them about discipline, work ethic, how to compete in the game as well as life. Treat your neighboor as you want him to treat you. Life is a short journey compared to what comes after so make everyday count and don't count the excuses count the results.

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72reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

mspiggy

Speak on the issues at hand, defend the coaching and coaching style, this is not about any of what you are talking about so get your story straight, you dont have the history!
You dont have the knowledge that all these past parents have.
If you knew anything about this issue you would know that this coach did away with the softball boosters------why>??>>> because read the next article-you want the truth well here you have it!!

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73reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

VINDICATOR STAFF WRITER
CANFIELD — 2007 The state auditor's office says the school district should tighten its oversight of fundraising for student activities.

There were no findings for recovery of funds in the state's annual audit, released Monday. But the auditor's office issued a management letter with recommendations for better accounting practices.

The district has already stopped a practice of allowing coaches to oversee money from fundraisers. A policy change in September 2006 now requires coaches to turn the money over to district treasurer Pattie Kesner.

This new policy is in line with the Ohio Revised Code, which says all employees of a school district should turn public money over to the district within one day if it's more than $1,000. It should be turned over within three days if under $1,000, and the money can be stored in a safe place. Fundraiser money should be considered public money, according to auditor's guidelines.

Booster clubs, which are set up as nonprofit corporations, are not considered part of the school district and can control money from their own fundraisers.

A group of parents tried for months to get an accounting of volleyball and girls softball fundraiser money from the district, said Tom Porter, one of those parents. The parents, including an accountant, had many questions when they did see records. The group, which is working with an attorney, turned its records and questions over to the state auditor's office. That resulted in the investigation that led to the letter.

"We spent hours and days on responding to questions from the auditors," Kesner said Wednesday. "There were countless hours and taxpayer money that went out the door," she said, explaining that the district has to pay for the extra services.

She said that since there were no findings for recovery, "that should be the end of it."

She referred other questions to schools Superintendent Dante Zambrini, who is on vacation and cannot be reached.

The dispute between the parents group and the district goes back almost two years.

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74reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Roni Haurin, who coaches volleyball and softball, had accounts set up at Farmers National Bank and oversaw those accounts. District administrators said that before the policy change, they considered Haurin and other coaches who controlled fundraiser accounts as being the same as booster organizations.

Porter said questions arose because a previous booster club for softball offered an accounting of its fundraiser money, and parents didn't get a similar accounting from Haurin. The group wanted to see account records for volleyball from 2002, and for softball from the time she became head coach in March 2005.

Haurin chose to run her own fundraisers then, and the booster club disbanded.

The auditors went over the parents' concerns point by point, said state auditor spokeswoman Emily Frazee. The management letter details some of their findings and makes recommendations.

"We found expenditures [and receipts] for several student activities were not included on the district's books," it says. "We recommend all district activity flow through the district's books and all expenditures be paid by the treasurer."

The letter notes that checks and cash were kept in the desk of a coach for periods longer than three business days. "We recommend that all deposits be made in accordance with Ohio Revised Code 9.38 and in accordance with the district's policies," it says.

The letter says that there was some ambiguity in identifying which student activity programs were student-district managed and which were nonschool organizations. "This can and did lead to activities that should have been recorded on the district's books being left off."

The letter said several expenditures for the softball team were made from volleyball funds. "This results in the girls volleyball team having less money that they should and the girls softball team using money to which they are not entitled," it says.

The letter says coaches for summer camps were being paid by outside organizations and shouldn't have been, and that several expenditures from the volleyball fund didn't have any supporting documentation. "We also noted that cash was not always deposited to the volleyball account, but was instead used to pay for expenses as they would come up.

"This leads to district receipts and expenditures being understated on the district's books and the district financial statements being inaccurate," the letter says.

The letter recommends that all payments have proper documentation and that all money be deposited into the district's bank account. "This will help ensure accountability and integrity in all programs that represent the district."

Haurin, who is also a physical education teacher at C.H. Campbell Elementary, could not be reached to comment Wednesday.

Keith Roland, the attorney for the parents, said Wednesday he had not had a chance to review the audit or the letter.

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75reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

So mspiggy

Get your history and your story straight!

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76reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Haurin chose to run her own fundraisers then, and the booster club disbanded

WOW

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77reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Walter-GETALIFE

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78mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

reallypeople:

You would be surprised how much I know!! Once again this is a case of a parent (Tom Porter) who did not get HIS way after coaching his daughter at the thrill on the hill and when she got to the high school found out he could not get his way so he took his kid to Mooney. But then Canfield won the state champonship and Mooney did not so he had to stir the pot with Canfield because of his ax to grind. Maybe he should just get on with his life and worry about the more imporant things in life than living it to make haurins life miserable. She's not there anymore move on. Canfield is a great school and has great sports programs that have come a long way in the last 15 years. Won state in Girls softball, Boys Baseball, State runner ups in Football and many league and district champonships in other sports. I may not know alot about the girls softball team but I do know those girls were State Champions under Haurin. As I said in my prior post life lessons are tough to learn and it sounds like alot of these parents that did not get their way need to learn a few.

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79walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

reallypeople,
When I played football in the 70's, our coaches denied us water because they tried to toughen us up. Too much water was not good for you. We were routinely kicked in the a$$ or smacked in the back of the helmet by coaches for making mistakes. They used to have a garden hose running next to us in August so we could see the water but not drink it. I would think that this would be called physical, mental and emotional abuse by you but, last time I checked, none of us have picked up a weapon and climbed to the top of a bell tower. I guess when you are dealing with girls, you have to treat the little darlings differently. Let's face it, though, it is girl's softball and volleyball.

Ms piggy hit a nerve and is correct. You try to denigrate the good teachers and staff of Canfield because you didn't get your way. You also wouldn't agree with me in the belief that players should be sat for at least a game if a parent inquires about playing time. You put the coach in a no win situation though. If I was a coach and you purposely made my life difficult, your child would suffer the consequences. No one said life is fair. Just maybe your kid isn't that good!

I'm not a big fan of the super with the recent contracts that have been given to the staff but in my professional dealings with Greg Cooper, I have found him to be very dedicated and totally honest. He does a good job as AD and puts in a lot of hours as he has many different teams to arrange things for. But, to keep going on and on about how the educational system in Canfield is so awful just falls on deaf ears. The level in scholarship in Canfield is very high, especially when it is compared with other public schools systems. Both of my sons received scholarships for college with one receiveing a full ride for both undergrad and grad school. So, I don't know how you can say they don't put kids first.

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80mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Wolverine:

I am not clueless I just stated the facts and as the post above stated you and your fellow cronies did not get it your way like when you coached your daughter so blame the coach for that. Wake up maybe she just was not good enought the talent around her was better and she sat the bench or maybe be did not even make the team. It is easy to blame everybody else but maybe you should look in the mirror. I do not doubt that the team had lots of talent you would not win state if you didn't but somebody had to put people in the right place and make the calls on pitches and base running. I am not making any excuses for Haurin but I assure you she was a hell of alot better than Jack the ripper. Greg Copper is a great AD he spends between 50-60 hours per week at the school and away sporting events to make false statements against him is a crime this is a man that spent over 20 years in the Navy defending this country. He was an 1st place all-state wrestler and played football at Boardman and I assure you he has more class in 1 finger than you do in your whole body. I am done dealing with you morons I have wasted enough time reading your useless Betching and how your daughter was treated unfair maybe you will grow up before she does and help her learn about life lessons before she is infected too.
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81reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ms piggy and Walter

Keep defending the AD and Coach, it makes you feel better.
This is about 50 plus girls not just 1, so if 50 plus girls are all about playing time and position then darn the girls are just ALL wrong-just like the AD said the PARENTS ARE WRONG and the PARENTS AND PLAYERS NEED THE MEDICINE. THATS A GR8 AD!!!!
Give it a break lets do an evaluation on this AD and see what parents have to say..........too many are not satisfied with his NO DOCUMENTATION of complaints and no disciplinary reports. its not just GIRLS SPORTS-it is ALOT more than that!!!
Keep your focus only where you think it should be you will not influence those people who KNOW THE TRUTH and sorry guys but the TRUTH HURTS!!!

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82reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ms piggy

GO HOME THEN if your done stop reading the blog. Cant take the medicine can you???

Yes your right in the navy what does he know about children and dealing with children--------??????????????
Does he care? Well lets just read the email again from Volleyball::::

Got some of those emails: heres one you will enjoy:
To ALL the Volleyball parents heres an email from your AD to your Volleyball Coach in his exact words:
Aug 4, 2011:
"no good deed goes unpunished" "Communicating with the girls is important and even though some of them (and their parents) didnt like to hear your staffs frank assessments, they need the medicine"

Wow you players and parents need the medicine, that is how your AD feels about YOU and your children.
Anyone that can let children be emotionally abused for that many years-should not be able to sleep at night!!!

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83reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

oh Ms Piggy--Tom Porter doesnt have anything to do with the hear and now!!!

Those are past complaints and they all just kept adding up for years and years and years

Too many too count, heard the lawyer will be sending letters to past parents to verify those complaints and which ones were not documented- or in the records.
That should be very interesting!

You think its over-it has just begun

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84lumper(284 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

and what about the treasurer ? didn't she look the other way because this was her relative ?

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85TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Thanks Walter for insight into your psyche. And also letting us know you are misogynistic. Your poor wife.

What I can not understand is how anyone believes that this is just about parents not getting their way? Because the Superintendent and AD say so?

The Superintendent who won't document anything so it won't go public?

The AD who says parents and kids need their medicine? Who also calls parents who contact him with legitimate concerns names like passive aggressive and gadflies? Who fails to follow up on complaints? Show us proof that you ever have disciplined this coach. God knows you have tons of complaints and plenty of opportunity to take action. You did nothing.

Those two?

Their credibility is non-existent.

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86mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I have had many dealings with Mr.Copper and found him to be nothing but upstanding and very fair. I have had 5 kids go thur the athetic program at Canfield in the last 15 years and they all have had very rewarding experiences. They have gone on to be very succesful Doctors and Business men and woman. Much of this is a credit to the education and athletic experience they had at Canfield High School and the coaches, teachers and AD they came into contact with. It sounds to me alot of the softball parents did not get their way so maybe they should just take their balls and go home and pout.

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87TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms. Pig and Walt, I was hoping that people who had not experienced the coaching "style" would refrain from commenting and taking away from the relative importance of this story. I too could write about the excellent experiences my kids had, how they have moved on and achieved great success, etc.

I also grew up in a more disciplined time, but things have changed and certain behaviors are not acceptable by coaches any longer. Whether we like it or not we have to change with the times.... Bullying is a crime, parents want and expect their boosters, their needs to be communication and so on.

I wanted to move on, but the statement the parents are "wrong" was not a professional response on the AD's part. All of them made this up for so many years. Please.... Lastly, presenting to the board that there were no complaints in volleyball is a lie!

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88reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

TurningTables
Ms Pig and Walter are obviously the only two people in the area going to defend the abuse probably Getalife, Suckitup and Coach 1234 or AD and Super???
Would not waste time on anything they say is Right-because we all know all us parents are WRONG, its so black and white.
They admitted their wrong doing by deceiving the parents and tax payers when they said they did not document because they did not want it public.
Last I knew this was our business as tax payers.
As the Hydes Lawyer states-tax payers have a RIGHT to know whats going on with their tax dollars and the kind of employees WE pay.
We are the tax payers and we HAVE EVERY RIGHT!!!!!!
All they have is to try and protect themselves and to keep blaming parents and playing time----I seriously think they actually believe that.
The sad part is they witnessed many many girls and their stories of how they felt about this coach, any person with any morals would have released her from 2006 when 15 people shared their abuse stories, that year was both Volleyball and Softball complaints-Didnt share that with the board, UMMM parents have copies of emails and board members, so lies AGAIN.
BUT no if they admit anything there would be way more law suits coming and still could be so lets just see how it all plays out for the Super and AD in the end.
I am thinking a full blown trial and jury, lets hear these girls stories, no judge or jury for that matter would side with them.
The coach and her side kicks are gone and cannot continue to hurt anyone in softball ever again!!

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89sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Reallypeople

I read some of those emails and they are so sad they actually make you cry.
I would think any judge or jury would be appalled at the number of girls and at the length of years they blamed it on the parents.

I hope your right they should take this all the way, they made too many mistakes that will bite them.

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90mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I can't wait to see what happens when your daughters gets a job and the boss does not like her and gives her a hard time. I know hire a lawyer and take him and the company to court because they hurt your little girls feelings. Maybe the old ways are better ever think of that!!! Did not have to worry about some kid coming into school an shooting everyone when I went to school. There was disipline and work ethic back then if I got into trouble at school what I got there was nothing compared to what was going to happen when I got home. My parents were fair but disipline was #1 my father would have never hired a lawyer because he did not like the way a coach treated me. You people are soft (mostly in the head) I do not condone mistreatment of a player by a coach but if it was as bad as you have stated why did you not go to the police, Childrens service? Again it sounds to me as people that did not get what they wanted so they took the easy way out hire a lawyer and sue everyone that was around, bad mouth coaches, AD, BOE and Supt. You did not hear the answers you wanted so they all are wrong and bad people. Get use to things not always going your way thats LIFE!!!!

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91sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms piggy GETALIFE
If your going to comment put the facts:
The lawsuit was for documents they did not turn over, read the article, again more of your false statements.
Oh read your first article, you do not know Coach Haurin that well, OK then go away because everyone on here knows them all very well and knows the truth. kinda funny how the records proved out just what they should have the history and the facts are all there. sorry your all called out and put on the front page of the Vindy because of your neglect. you will get yours too. Hey all you past and current parents funny how Ms piggy defends in his own words, its ok for a coach to hurt feelings, obviously because Ms piggy has none as the former coaches.
you lose.......

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92sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

oh and he so admits not liking or giving them a hard time..good role models

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93canfieldrebel(37 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@Miss piggy...
You obviously have some vested interest in this blog...but seriously...contribute something meaningful. No one cares about your life history or philosophy on child-rearing. You miss the point entirely. Stop blathering and opining....open your eyes and your mind to the truth and the facts.

I have children currently attending schools in this district. All of them participate in sports. I promise you that this district stoops at nothing to protect itself at the expense of kids. I have fought the district on numerous issues that have involved violations of the OHSAA, state and federal laws. The laws and rules are made to protect kids and their rights. All the district has to do is follow the law....not skirt it or be above it. Then no one would need a lawyer and taxpayer money would not need to be spent to defend district wrongdoing. Parents just don't wake up and just decide to sue the district....you are driven to it out of frustration, anger, and outrage over the abuse of your chidren and their LEGAL rights. It is extremely stressful and upsetting to try to reason with a school district which chooses to ignore, ridicule, and deride you for telling them they have a legal and moral obligation to change their practices.

This is not about demanding things that are outrageous....it is not about parents being unreasonable.....it is not about getting one's way. Those are excuses you use to justify the actions of this school district. Times have changed....its about time the distict stops living in the past and gets current and legally compliant!

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94sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

when we pay the salary of these coaches to abuse little girls feelings, not like them or give them a hard time we absolutely have a say in if they stay or if they go.
Regardless the history is there and its in writing cant take history away or documentation, even though they tried.

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95sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Well said Canfieldrebel

The truth always prevails, we all know that and its not in the hands of the Admin......

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96reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pig your so FUNNY..
The admin covered it all up and blamed the parents, this has been the issue at hand since she began, heard she was even fired from Volleyball and they rehired her the next year.

There is TOO much there, the facts are out and they can not face it or admit it.
Now we will keep paying our tax dollars as the lawyer fees keep adding up, someone should find out what those total fees are up to by now because it is coming out of your pockets.
Heard the fees to protect her in the funds was up to $60,0000 boy could they pay for our kids schools needs

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97TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms. Pig - You should talk to your children if any of their childhood friends played for her to see what they say. There were many parents who did not complain, but it doesn't mean there was not a wide range of inappropriate coaching behaviors. The discussions here are about subjective things, he said, she said. If a student reports inappropriate touching and the teacher denies it, does it mean it didn't happen??? Every allegation should be considered with some degree of diligence on the administrations level. That's what they are there for. To be objective and listen, not say go away, not true, didn't happen.

It's not about soft parents/students, if you knew the case, you would also know that many students who complained went on to successful college careers in both v-ball and softball. Are they soft? You have no right to comment on the coaching. Start your own post!

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98southsidedave(4805 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

WOW, is is amazing to read all of these posts about a girl's high school softball team....with everything else happening in the world this is amusing to me. Thanks for the laughs.

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99mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Lets see what you complain about now that she is gone. Maybe you won't like the color of the shorts Ray wears and it will offend your daughter. You people are the reason the program will suffer not because of coaches. You are all a bunch of self serving *****. How many of you volunteer to do something at the booster meeting last week besides a few senior dads where were the rest of you? Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. Why do I care because I take pride in the town I live in and the school system in it. I am tired reading about this bs been going on for years and whether you like it or not there is one basic reason your kid either did not play were you wanted her to or did not play at all. As the post states above this has become amusing to me reading all of your assanine respones to validate your reasons for being so bitter over a girls softball team and their coach. As I stated earlier you all need to find something else to become involved in maybe chess it does not take a team.

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100TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

So invested mspiggy. Who could you possibly be? You know all about the softball meeting? Where you there?
Actually, glad you brought up the boosters. Now Canfield Softball has a booster club! That never ever was going to happen with the old coach. The one who couldn't for some reason establish a rapport with the parents.
Canfield softball is finally on the right track now. Thank goodness for the new coaches and the dedicated parents. Thank you Hydes for suing Canfield, cause nothing good was going to happen to the softball program without you doing that!

Now, if only the volleyball program could get an overhaul. A volleyball booster sounds good...but if the old coach comes back we already know she can't get along with the parents. The kids suffer. Stop protecting bad problematic coaches and put the kids first!

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101TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

mspiggy must take Sundays off or she/he lost her moral outrage.

Back to the whole booster issue. Why would the AD allow this coach not to have/support a booster? Every other sport at Canfield has a booster club. Why did softball and volleyball not have booster clubs? Cause the coach has no people skills?

But, it's the parents who are the problems. yeah right.... Why keep such a polarizing person as head coach of 2 sports?

Why?

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102mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

No Sundays off just gave you more rope to hang yourselves. I must admit I did have fun!! You all are bigger losers than I first thought reading these reply's has proved that!!! I never questioned Mr. Z or the education at Canfield I feel it is second to none just the screwed up parents from Girls softball and their selfish motives. Time will tell who was right now that the Coach Melewski era has begun. How long before the wack jobs turn on him.

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103reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms piggy your pathetic

Jealous maybe that the new coaches might be fair and treat the girls with respect and not emotionally harm them? Parents have respect for these coaches sorry that was not possible with all of you....
Hang our selves -Really?
No one has said anything against the education at Canfield, the administration is to blame and this is not just about one Softball coach.

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104reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pig says all you parents from the girls softball are scewed up and have selfish motives....and are wack jobs???

This coming from an educator??

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105mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Glad to know I warmed all your hearts!!
Not an educator here just a every day girl that has no bitterness, malice or vindictiveness toward anyone.
I know Coach Melewski very well and he is a great coach and better yet a great human being with compassion for his players. He will do a great job and get the most out of the team. I just wonder how long before you all turn on him because you did not get your way or did not play your daughter in the right place or not at all. Face the facts unless one of you wj is coaching and doing it your way it will be wrong and you will find some reason to betch.
Just give you enough rope and you will all hang.
pwhite1027: Did you read my post I have done nothing but commend the school system and the education it provides as well as Mr.Z. As far as woodside after reading these post on here if I was in there I would have a lot of company.

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106sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Hey recieved a few more emails
The AD evalutations
2010-
Concern of guidance of coaches.
Encourage coaches to join professional organizations.
Need to assist in making Good decisions in Parent relations and professional development as coach.
2009-
Assist in parent meetings to clarify concerns and guidelines.
Develop format and procedure for Parent/coach meetings.
A form or printed list of procedures that are promulgated to staff and parents will support collaborative efforts.
From the Super..
Need to ask why only two years of evaluations in his personnel file that consists of 11 pages total, all mostly his resume and his 2006 salary of $71,285.
no other years of salary at all in this file?
The resume says 25 years of proven proformance in organizational and operational leadership, not so sure that plays out to be true.

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107sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The records also show that the concerned parent group, wrote this letter which consists of 15 people, both Softball and Volleyball parents from 2006:
the letter to Attorny John Britton, December 29, 2006:
states:
"While we appreciate the current actions taken are meant to make the school look better, it isnt our intention to make the school look better, it is our intention to obtain information."
"An equally important issue is Coach Haurin's bullying tactics used on kids under her care."
"It is not only the fact that she insists upon control, it is also the means in which she gains that control."
"These means are used not only when she is dealing with adults, but also in her handling of students under her care and tutelage."
"Circumstances of intimidation, degradation and humiliation by Coach Haurin had been communicated initially to Greg Cooper and Mike Moldovan and then subsequently to Rich Archer and Dante Zambrini"
"It has recently come to our attention this attitude has carried over to her grade school students"
"While we can appreciate your unwillingness to become involved in this situation, we are sure, with very little investigation, you can be made aware of the instances to which we're alluding"
"At best her actions reflect poorly on the Canfield School System."
At worst, her actions are in direct contravention of school policy prohibiting bullying"
"To make matters worse, The School, through previous meetings, was placed on notice that she was bullying her students as early as August 28, 2006."
"And yet, Canfield School System ostensibly did nothing to curb those actions."
"Despite the horror stories being communicated to Greg Cooper and Mike Moldovan and despite grade school parents complaining and despite the questions raised concerning financials, the Canfield Board of Education still awarded her coaching contract for the upcoming year."
"Clearly there are forces ar work we are unaware of."
"Greg Cooper indicated in a previous email regarding the issues at question that he met with Coach Haurin and these issues were "satisfactorily answered"
"Our initial review of the records provided, thus far have raised serious questions."
"If we found these under our INITIAL review, why didn't Greg Cooper, Mike Moldovan, Rich Archer or Dante Zambrini find them?
"And even more disturbing, is why these irregularities were not identified by the School Board Treasurer?"

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108mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Why is it all ways everybody ELSE and never you!!

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109sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

July 10, 2008
Complaint from a Softball parent, in the notes the AD states:
"I routinely receive complaints concerning CHS coaches and that all issues and allegations are investigated with appropriate notification to the Principal and Superintendent."
"If the allegations are found to be incorrect, false, exaggerated or without merit, they are not necessarily recorded and certainly not presented to the School Board"
"This has been the case WRT Coach Haurin"

Looks to me like the AD has always made his mind up that the issues are always with the parents, so he has the right to say your complaint is incorrect, false, exaggerated or without merit and they do not deserve to be recorded or your concerns presented to the School Board?
Thats pretty sad!

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110sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Past and Present and no future.

Thank God

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111sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

July 30, 2008

From AD to Assistant Coach

"The situation gives credence to my read that he and a few others have lost all perspective and are engaged in a vendetta against those they perceive to have slighted them, regardless of the facts"

This shows the history of why all those parents have been ignored in both Volleyball and Softball, he truly believes the things you are complaining about are a vendetta, amazing to see this history proves out the here and now.

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112breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pig

There is not a parent alive that would not be passionate about protecting their children.

Sad Story, thats really sad that this has been going on for so long, your documentation shows what the parents are complaining about, doesnt look like playing time or postion to me in those letters.

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113breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Obviously these parents are mad and bitter because their concerns were pushed under the carpet and not addressed properly.
Yes I can see why these parents are still angry, trying to protect children is what a parent does, call them anything you want but thats the cold truth.

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114breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Nov 27, 2009
Email from Volleyball parent complaint to AD:

"Our entire volleyball season was a disgrace, especially to the Seniors who have worked so hard to get to where they are!"
"I have never in all 4 years seen her coach as bad as she did this season"
"I am not the only parent upset either!"

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115breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Sadstory I like sharing those emails too

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116TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms. Pig - If you know Coach M as well as you do, how do you think he feels about your posts? You said this is "amusing" and "fun". Do you think it was any of that for those athletes and parents who went through this? Obviously, your connections lie with the board or adminstrators.... hmmm. You never respond to any valid questions posed to you. Sad story - Thanks for the email from the volleyball parent which according to this article there were no complaints.

This blog probably would have ended, but being a good friend you felt the need to keep going!

Answer the question - Do you truly believe every allegation is false and based on playing time/position?

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117TurningTables(13 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ask your friend that you know "very well" - since YOU brought it up - for fun and amusement, of course, if all the "betchn" is about playing time/position. He was around in 06 when the letter was written. See if he agrees with you.....

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118reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The new coaches will never stoop to their level, they know the history and they are respected.
Big difference in 2012, so happy for the girls.

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119mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I have no connections to the board!! I have nothing but great respect for coach M and wish him nothing but the best of luck he is a great caoch as well as mentor. I just hope he knows what he got himself into. Let him do what he is paid to do and thats coach and parents do what they should do and thats support the team and be a positive influence. I do feel that most of this is about playing time/position. I have been around Canfield athletics for 25 years and it has gotten worse every year about parents who feel their kid is not getting a fair shot. How many practices are you at? I am not stating there are not bad coaches out there but I do not beleive she was as bad as you make her out to be. The main fact I am trying to make is you did not agree with her coaching style so because of that she was wrong you were right and she had to go!! I do not consider 15 people in the last 6 or 7 years a majority. As far as the BOE and Mr.Z goes I think they do a great job with what they are given to work with and as they say you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all the people all the time.

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120TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Oh please Mspig,
You are a very contradictory person. You are salivating at the thought there will be trouble with the new coaching staff. You are not a friend to the new coach nor to the girls currently playing or will be playing in the future for Canfield high school.

This past coach was troubled. Can you tell by the sheer number of comments?

Thank goodness the Hyde's put the pressure on the administration. If they had not nothing would have changed. Now, the girls will be coached well by dedicated knowledgable coaches and also they will finally have the support and backing of a booster club. Something the old coach could not and would not do.

Instead of wishing for the worst, why not wish them all the best and move on? What is your betch? The prior coach was a problem for many years. Protected by the administration for who she was connected to. Good riddens! Get her out of volleyball too!

Hang up her clipboard. She can't relate to young ladies or their parents. Bring someone in who can handle the job in a classy, professional and respectful manner.

Kudos to the AD for bringing in the new softball coach. Hopefully, he will do the same with the volleyball program. Bring someone in who has the love of the game and the enthusiasm for the girls like coach Melewski has.

You are obviously here just to stir the pot. Do you think you have helped anyone?

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121mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I wish you all the best!!!

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122breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Ms piggy

I will also say kuddos to the AD for the new coaches, lets hope he does the right thing and does not bring her back for Volleyball.
Time will tell.....

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123Thepast(3 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pig

Just for the record this has not been only 15 people in the past 6-7 yrs, the Vindy said there were 19 documented cases in the file and the others according to the AD words were:
"If the allegations are found to be incorrect, false, exaggerated or without merit, they are not necessarily recorded and certainly not presented to the School Board"
So all the other complaints were thrown by the wayside and ignored.
My guess would be between Volleyball and Softball more than we can imagine and that is just the ones who voiced their opinions to the AD which fell on deaf ears!
And obviously they did not want the information to go public.

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124reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Mr.Naples (Assistant Coach) was overheard saying that all you current parents will wish you had Haurin, himself and Capretta back after being with the new coaches::

This was interesting????????

BOLD STATEMENT

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125Thepast(3 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Wow that is quite the statement coming from someone who was very negative himself.

Move on former coaches you will not influence the new coaches they are much smarter and they will have respect from the girls and the parents, something you coaches NEVER had.

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126mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Lets hope the PARENTS can move on also!! Remember RESPECT is earned. This goes both ways.

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127breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pigs head roars up again.

Yes respect is earned and everyone knows that goes both ways or are you one of those coaches that has no idea how to earn that respect???

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128sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

They cant accept their wrong doing and never will.

These parents have all moved on but the bitterness of the treatment to their children will always remain.

Coach M will be a great mentor and treat the girls like human beings.
And for your info: former coaches::
All the parents have respect for these men already so keep your bias comments with your past.

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129mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

breezer:

I forgot more about RESPECT than you will ever know!!! By the way not a coach either. just somebody that cares about kids and sports.

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130breezer(29 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Ms Pig

I dont need to know about your so called respect it proves out in your blogs and the attacks against the parents.
Not a coach but so invested like Thesituation said earlier. Hmmmm
Care about kids and sports, thats a joke.

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131Thepast(3 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Breezer just let the pig ramble on we all know who it is anyway and it certainly is not any past players or past parents stepping up to defend them, they are all getting the last laugh now.
Just move on pig...

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132mspiggy(23 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The truth really strikes a nerve with some of you!!!

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133reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

ONE LITTLE PIGGY
TWO LITTLE PIGGY
THREE LITTLE PIGGY

ALL THREE PIGGYS GONE................

BYE BYE

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134reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Fortunately for all involved:

The Truth always prevails :)

Sorry about your luck piggy

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135insideslant(2 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Sitting on the outside of these arguments makes it very interesting to see both sides. From what I hear from the area it seems there is part blame on both sides, however, noone has mentioned that the student-athlete's parents in Canfield have to pay the school in order for their children to participate in athletics. Doesn't this give the parents a vested interest in their child's playing time, position and placement besides a parent's desire to see their child just participate for the love of the game? I for one have been in the stands for a Canfield softball games and can say that their fans conduct was less than desireable to say the least. I am curious to see how the new coach will handle these situations going forward. My guess is that behavior will not change just because a new leader is in place. Give it time and we will see where this all goes. I also heard that the board lied to the new coach and is giving him one less coach than promised, any truth to this?

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136TheSituation(15 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Insideslant,

Blame on both sides for what? The lawsuit, the coach getting fired, the coach's inability to establish a rapport with the parents, the superintendent intentionally not documenting things so they wouldn't go public?

Blame for what specifically?

What years have you been at Canfield softball games and witnessed the fans behavior being less than desirable? Recently?

The players and the fans probably change year to year. Blanket statements that the Canfield softball fans behavior is less than desirable is a stereotype.

Plenty of people keep their mouth's shut intentionally not to upset this coach knowing the retaliation history. Yes, the coach made such an accusation along with saying parents allegedly inappropriately questioned coaching decisions and instilled negativity in their child. But, the coach wouldn't even comment for the article? I have to wonder in what context and when the coach made those written allegations? The AD admits year after year there were always complaints.

Everything seems to be on the right track with the new coach. It's a new era in Canfield softball. Why must people want to anticipate and hope for the worst? The coach is establishing a wonderful rapport with the players and the parents. Again, left wondering about people who want bad things to happen and things to go wrong? Let's remember this is a high school sponsored sport and it is for the high school students. The people involved now seem to get that. All working together for the best interest of the students.

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137sgk4433(1 comment)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

As someone that played 3 sports at Canfield High School, was a head coach in two different sports (one boys, one girls) at Canfield High School, and is a father of 3, I will offer this. (A) Parents are biased. They are biased with their kids and the investments they have made in their kids potential. (B) 9 out of 10 times, parents biases are typically skewed as to what their child's skill level really is and respond irrationally to any assessment not aligned with theirs. (C) Coaches are biased in their belief that they have been hired to do a job based on their skills/experience and have a skewed view in their ability to assess talent and handle situations (both on the field and off). (D) Coaches typically don't get rewarded for playing inferior talent so they have a bias to respond to good talent by focusing attention on those players and playing them accordingly. I cannot speak to the current administrations handling of this situation. But, to assume that the coach had no part in the 2008 state title is a ludicrous assessment. Similarly ludicrous is the expectation that parents can do/say whatever they way with no downstream impact to their kids. Trust me, the only impact to the kids is the embarrassment they feel. Coaching is simple. Be fair by treating everyone/situation differently based on the facts and in all things, use your best judgement. Parenting is very similar until the skewed biases enter the equation and they always do. I can't speak to this coaches issues or perceived issues, but I can see issues abounding by the adults (parents and administration) who were supposed to handle it with the kids intentions in mind. The comments I read say that in spades.

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138insideslant(2 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

^^^^^^^ fantastic assessment

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139lumper(284 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

but what about the treasurer and the lack of accounting regarding funds ? swept under the rug by a relative. this playing time nonsense is being allowed to take the forefront so real issues can be avoided.

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140reallypeople(63 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

sgk4433

Biased on being a coach apparently, unless you know the history of these coaches I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself!!! Or maybe the AD let you get away with the same treatment.........
The Team won on pure Talent and talent alone, a group of kids who played travel ball together--get REAL!!!!!!!!!! Ask anyone of the players they will tell you....
If you cant speak on these coaches issues then stay off the blog because thats what this is!!!!!!
These coaches have held back the program for years and guess what there time is up and hurting anymore children is also over-Get off the parents unless you were there the past few years and witnessed something no one else did---- theres nothing you can say about any of those parents who sat back and NEVER said a word.
Not doing their job is what the administration is guilty of and they have to sleep at night--ALL of you....

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141sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

It always amazes me to read how certain people like to try and tell a parent how they should have handled a situation or how they should be when they were never in that situation or had a child emotionally affected.
Until you are in those shoes you have no idea what your talking about.
Besides the history proves out everything that has been said isTrue so move on.
TheSituation hit it on the head you want to see this coach fail, and blame the parents, the usual approach to justify all your wrong doing!

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142sadstory(29 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Rumor has it this coach is trying to get the Volleyball parents together for fundraising??
Does this mean they have hired her officially back for Volleyball??
WOW

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