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Youngstown police probe South Side shooting



Published: Mon, February 27, 2012 @ 4:24 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN — Police are looking for a truck and two cars in connection with the shooting of a 17-year-old male on the city’s South Side.

According to police the boy was shot just before 3 p.m. today on East Avondale. His name and condition have not been released.

Police reported that one vehicle being sought is an older vehicle with damage, the other is a Buick Rendevous, and there may also be a truck or SUV involved.


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1whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Go figure...

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2Attis(903 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

There was a shooting this morning of 17 year olds in Chardon, and it made the local news nonstop as well as the national and international news as lead stories. Wonder why the shooting of this 17 year on Youngstown's Southside gets little more than a footnote and nothing will be mentioned about it by tomorrow. Guess it only matters when the killing occurs in neighborhoods where it is not supposed, eh? How did we get so sick?

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3commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

attis, Chardon was on the news because a shooting at the school had never been done before this WHEREAS a shooting in Youngstown is a given--see the difference?
Where are all of the "witnesses"? Isn't that what the people marching the other day wanted---people to speak up.

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4lsw242(3 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

I wonder how many of these kids asked to be born into generational poverty to single parents, some who are drug-addicted with no chance of change who can only get as far as the WRTA will take them. The cycle of abuse and neglect is all they know and they continue to get trapped into the lifestyle that no welfare, educational, or judicial system can get them out of. It's nice that everyone can point fingers from their suburban neighborhoods or perhaps be one of the 1% who actually made it out of one of these situations but I would love to know what chance anyone thinks these KIDS really have without someone actually coming to the South side and picking them up, relocating them, giving them resources, social skills, parenting, education, motivation, and a whole new beginning. Throwing some food stamps at them and hoping they survive in the same cycle and God-forsaken neighborhood with the same parents who were raised just like them while they watch their friends get shot in front of them isn't working.

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5Attis(903 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Isw242: bless you. finally, a light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot overcome it (John 1:5)

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6Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

242

"The cycle of abuse and neglect is all they know and they continue to get trapped into the lifestyle that no welfare, educational, or judicial system can get them out of."

They are not trapped into that lifestyle, their are numerous opportunities given, and believe it or not, alot do make it out, because they take advantage of those opportunities to succeed in life and the others they choose to live that lifestyle. So tired of that excuse, it's getting OLD and not worth much anymore. They do have options it's what they decide to do, easy money and the gangsta life is much better then becoming productive members of society. Go figure. Quit the excuses!!!!!

"Throwing some food stamps at them and hoping they survive in the same cycle and God-forsaken neighborhood with the same parents who were raised just like them while they watch their friends get shot in front of them isn't working."

And what do you propose?? If these single women having 10 kids with 10 different fathers, who's fault is that???? Society?? Why does society have to take care of someone elses kids? You bring them into the world you better make sure you can support them and provide them and teach them and guide them in the right direction instead of pawning them off to society. No one to blame but that person in the mirror!

Quit with the EXCUSES! Be held ACCOUNTABLE!

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7webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

A few people posting here above seem cold as ice. Disconnection from one's fellow human beings is a sickness worse than drug abuse. Nightmare conditions in which young people must survive are the fault of you, me, and every other sane adult. All children belong to all people.

The posts of these unsympathetic frozen-hearteds, call to mind a quote from a movie by one of my favorite filmmakers. In this scene, Auschwitz is mentioned:

"The reason they can never answer the question "How could it possibly happen?" is that it's the wrong question. Given what people are, the question is "Why doesn't it happen more often?"

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8whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Here's a good movie webad " HANG EM HIGH ", as soon as these thugs get caught and sentenced, set them up in the town square for a public hanging, if they are thieves , cut thier hands off.

Stop babying these people, 3 hots and a cot and a family get together in prison is no answer.

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9BusDriver(46 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Changing kids does not start with community or its leaders it starts with PARENTS!! It starts with two people who decide to bring a child into this world, and its THEIR responsibility to take care of that child, I didn't bring my kid into this world thinking ok here you go community and leaders raise my kid, feed my kid, clothe my kid I busted my butt to give my kid a home, food, and education. Parents need to be held accountable and until society stops accepting the idea that it takes a society to raise other people's kids, those parents will never be held accountable for anything these kids are out here doing. There is nothng cold hearted about the fact that if you bring kids into this world those people are responsible for those kids no one else. As a parent raising kids its the PARENTS job to make sure of the kids they are hanging around with, its the PARENTS job to make sure the kid is doing good in school. its the PARENTS job to make sure they are home and not running the streets. If they are not doing what they are suppose to be doing then its Parents job to resolve the problems because they are the ADULTS who chose to have children.

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10Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

bad

"Nightmare conditions in which young people must survive are the fault of you, me, and every other sane adult. All children belong to all people."

And how do you figure it's all our fault? Are we the ones that slept with different people and bring MORE babies into this world when they have the chance to finish high school go to college and get a career before becoming a mother not only once, but twice, three times and on and on. Society is to blame for that? Really? How do you figure that?

"The posts of these unsympathetic frozen-hearteds...."

Frozen Heart? You can't be serious? Parent/s raise their kids the right way, hold them accountable for everything they do, teach them, disciplined them, and mold their lives to become productive members of society, but that's being frozen hearted? I have no sympathy for the lazy ones that dish off there kids to society and could care less about the welfare of their children, feel sorry for someone who won't be ACCOUNTABLE for their kids. I think not.

Again, quit with the EXCUSES.

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11Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Quit with the EXCUSES! Be held ACCOUNTABLE!
One of the best comments I have read for a long time .
But we need to hold all ACCOUTABLE

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12Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

720

"Life in Youngstown is hard and will make you hard and cold."

It's hard everywhere on this planet, not just Youngstown. The place has nothing to do with it, it's the individual that neither wants to succeed and enjoy life or be lazy and complain and moan about something all the time. It's a choice. Be Happy or be Miserable. It's how you want to live your life, no more, no less.

Living Life On Life's Terms!

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13walter_sobchak(1922 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

webad,
You can take that "All children belong to all people" and stick it, along with "it takes a village", where the sun don't shine. Children belong with their parents, legally and morally, and are their RESPONSIBILITY. That kind of thinking gave us the Great Society of LBJ and it is an abject failure. It has led to generations of dependent citizens that claim to not know any better. If we are going to provide aid, mothers must provide father's names and both must submit to drug testing. "What we are dealing with is a total lack of respect of the law."

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14lsw242(3 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Lifes2Short,
I think you missd my first sentence where I wrote "I WONDER HOW MANY OF THESE KIDS ASKED TO BE BORN INTO GENERATIONAL POVERTY..." They are born to parents who aren't parenting them and just continue the cycle. When this is all they know, have no resources to change it and have no one to show them another way - people like you who judge them and say they have a choice, how are they supposed to get out? What way out do they have? I ask you if you were born to a situation just like theirs, complete poverty, drug-addicted parents or parents who abused and neglected you, no resources, no support, how would you get out? It's not a choice, it's not a "lifestyle." I agree that it is parenting, or a lack thereof, but it certainly isn't to be blamed on these kids who never asked to be born into these situations in the first place. A choice? Definitely not a choice. If it was a choice I am guessing they would choose the suburbs with a safe place to sleep, running water, electricity, no gunfire, parents who were parenting them and futures. Who are you holding accountable? Kids? Really? My point is to discount the fact that these are kids dying and the disregard for human life so many of you have is sickening, no matter how you feel about society and who is responsible.

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15webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

I see I touched a nerve. Although I mentioned no names, everyone and his brother identified with my post and responded to it. You yourselves proved the accuracy of the words of my favorite filmmaker.
(Again) Mentioning Auschwitz he says:
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"The reason they can never answer the question "How could it possibly happen?" is that it's the wrong question. Given what people are, the question is "Why doesn't it happen more often?"
- end quote

I've traveled a lot, but never anywhere have I seen the large amount and high intensity of hatred that I see in Youngstown, Ohio. Such cold men will never be rid of violence because they lack an ability to feel a connection with 'the other'. As proof I offer that violence always was, and so it always will be in Youngstown. Nothing has changed in decades. The place is frozen in time like a bug trapped in amber. For the most part, its people do not learn from their own mistakes.

YSU needs a course in hypocrisy and self deception. Refusal to hold oneself accountable applies not just to others. It applies equally to the community at large.

PS: It was a trip watching some of you fill in the gaps of the parts of my previous post you could not connect with. Imaginations were off to the races.

Quality of Life Indexes for Youngstown, Ohio:
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16lsw242(3 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Youngstown, Ohio has a poverty rate of 49.7%, the highest in the nation. It's unemployment rate is also higher than the national average. Not many people are willing to give these kids their first job. The majority of their parents are unemployed. They are behind academically. The school system is failing and has minimal supplies and resources. People with college degrees aren't getting jobs so telling these kids to get jobs is a joke. They are living on what the welfare system provides which is well below the poverty level and take whatever housing is available, whether it is on the Southside, in the projects, or wherever they can get. Their parents are not parenting them and no one is making them. Their families all live right here too so it's not like they can leave the area to go live with someone else. Getting someone to respond to complaints of neglect and abuse is a joke - get in line. So tell me, without a job, any chance of getting a job, parental support, a place to go, an education, or a trust fund, where are these kids going? Like I said before, they can go as far as the WRTA takes them which is right inside the same sad city they were brought into with no way out because people believe they choose to be there and close their minds to the misconcecption that they have no potential. Isn't believing in sub-standard individuals and lesser humans as a whole how we got Hitler?

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17Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

242

"When this is all they know, have no resources to change it and have no one to show them another way - people like you who judge them and say they have a choice, how are they supposed to get out? "

They do have a choice. What about the ones that do get out, that go to school and learn and that move on to college, their are more kids that do get out and become productive members of society that are from single parent homes, it's the ones that think the gangsta life and "oh poor me" that are the problem. If they want to live that wanna be gangsta life then that is there CHOICE. You could have a honor roll kid from the 'hood and a kid that don't go to school and deals and lives the gangsta life. A choice!

""What way out do they have? I ask you if you were born to a situation just like theirs, complete poverty, drug-addicted parents or parents who abused and neglected you, no resources, no support, how would you get out? It's not a choice, it's not a "lifestyle."

Yes it is a choice and yes it is a lifestyle. What part don't you understand? I know alot of people that were borne into poverty and neglected and they made it out, there productive members of society, it made them stronger in life because they made that choice to succeed instead of joining a gang or living the gangsta life.They never came up with "excuses." And believe it or not, their are more then you think that made it.

"Who are you holding accountable? Kids? Really? My point is to discount the fact that these are kids dying and the disregard for human life so many of you have is sickening, no matter how you feel about society and who is responsible."

Kids??? Talking about kids dying?? These are not kids that are dying, they are young adults that know right from wrong and know the consequences of living that life and they still do it even when their friends are getting buried. Don't call them kids.

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18Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

bad

"I've traveled a lot, but never anywhere have I seen the large amount and high intensity of hatred that I see in Youngstown, Ohio."

Must not have traveled that much then, I traveled to, US Navy and to me Youngstown is no different then other areas. And what exactly do you mean by "high intensity of hatred?" Hatred? Hatred for what? I'm curious what that means?

"YSU needs a course in hypocrisy and self deception. Refusal to hold oneself accountable applies not just to others. It applies equally to the community at large."

What? The Community needs to babysit everyone's kids? To teach them right from wrong? To discipline them? To do what PARENTS are suppose to do? We are to be held accountable for them? Interesting.

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