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Democrats first, Catholics second



Published: Thu, February 16, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

Democrats first, Catholics second

In a Feb. 10 letter to the editor, a writer takes issue with Youngstown Diocese Bishop George Murry’s letter on the health care law dealing with insurance coverage of birth control, abortion, and drugs and supplies. It is interesting to note his criticism of teaching us to be obedient of laws. Apparently he believes we should obey man-made law and disregard or ignore God’s law, the Ten Commandants, which include thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not commit adultery, to name two.

The problem with Catholics is there are two groups. One group is Democrat first and all the party stands for and Catholic second or less. The other group is Catholic first and political affiliation second or less. The priests and nuns who are Democrats first will tell you to vote for Democrats who defend and make abortion possible, because you have to look at the good they do for others. Mother Teresa, who did good works for others all her life, did not get one press pass on abortion.

The Ten Commandments are simple and to the point with no small print or exceptions. What part of thou shalt not kill don’t you understand? God chooses when we are born, where we are born, and who our father will be and he alone knows when we will be called to judgment, and if we are free of sin, rewarded by joining him in heaven.

Frank Greggo, Boardman


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1UNCOMMONSENSE(391 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Education, you are right on the point.

Thou Shalt Not Kill, unless you are a republican exercising the death penalty.

Thou Shalt Not Steal, unless you are a republican trying to destroy the middle class.

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, unless you are Newt Gingrich

And the hypocrisy continues.

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2walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Uncommonsense, you are right on the point.

Thou Shalt Not Kill, unless you are a democrat promoting infanticide by supporting partial-birth abortions.

Thou Shalt Not Steal, unless you are a democrat trying to perpetuate the status the lower class by stealing their dignity with preserving govt programs that perpetuate poverty.

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, unless you are Bill Clinton or Bawney Fwank.

And the hypocrisy continues on both sides.

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3peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

It looks as though the majority of Americans back the President.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/pu...
uggests-205113637.html

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4cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Just so you all know, the federal government gives out 65 billion dollars to "religious organizations" for "faith based" charities.

These "religious organizations" pay no taxes while not having to follow the same rules the tax payers that hand over those billions must follow.

How much of our tax payer billions are used for defending child rapist, the clergy that protected them and payoffs for their victims?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_b...

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5rocky14(728 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm a Catholic first,Democratic second.
I'm against abortion AND the death penalty, unlike the Conservatives.

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6AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@formerytown

"Tramping on our religion" Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

I wonder how many parishoners of the Catholic Church use or ever used birthcontrol. I wonder how many employess at St. E's hospital currently use or ever used birth control.

The Catholic Church forbids the use of birth control, though studies have shown that up to 98 percent of Catholic women use birth control and a recent CBS News/New York Times poll showed over 60 percent of Catholics in favor of the Obama administration's decision.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02...

Hey Newt.. What does the catholic church say about divorce and remarry?

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7AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Nobody is telling catholics that work at a hospital that they MUST use birthcontrol. Many of those 28% are already using birth control.

Honestly. Tell me you do not know one catholic who ever used birth control.

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8doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Hey newsmaker, did you really just say ..."[Obama] is the Devil Incarnate, who masks his real intentions, using a happy face and lofty words. "

Yes you did, didn't you, my tea partying friend. You wrote that, and yet you fail to realize that you are, in fact, quite insane.

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9doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Greggo, what does contraception have to do with abortion. The president's plan has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with abortion. Abortion is permitted now b/c the Supreme Court has ruled that it is a woman's right. SO go cry to them if you don't like interpretation of our constitution.. Last I checked the Supreme Court is 5 to 4 in favor of the gop/tea party. And actually, if you practice the rythm method, that is a form of contraception or if you hump your little brains out and pull out quick that, too, is contraception, or how about a condom....all of these are forms of birth control, so which ones are ok and which ones aren't --- or are we all just supposed to stop having sex? Finally, the most recent polls have 97% of catholic women having used some form of birth control in their lives and the latest nationwide poll has 67% of all Americans favoring our president's plan to provide all women with access to complete health care coverage, b/c you probably didn't know - or care to find out - many women use the pill to treat many different types of female health problems, so wake up and smell the estrogen, little man...You're on the wrong side of this argument, and it'll show in Nov.

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10doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

you think this is war formerytown, then do something about it, and quit yer whining on some second rate website message board, you little coward. With people like you on the gop/tea party's side, this issue is a win for our president, and the women of America. Thanks for your help, and keep up the crazy.

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11doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

And one other thing formerytown, i reread your last few posts and I have to say that it sounds like you have a real problem not with birth control, but with sex....they have a pill for that problem nowadays....and the gop/tea makes sure your insurance company covers it in your healthcare plan; free of charge, of course.

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12300(562 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"communist/fascist/socialist ", written by Jessiedavid.

I believe this just about sums up the metal capacity of many on the religious right.

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13300(562 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"communist/fascist/socialist ", written by Jessiedavid.

I believe this just about sums up the mental capacity of many on the religious right.

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14cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

jessiedavid.....Since everyone else knows that the teabagger/birther/republicns made up the lie that Obama used the name Soetoro at Occidental college you should stop telling the same lie.

It makes you look even dumber than usual every time you do it.

Your welcome.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...

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15peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Jessie, aren't you late for your meeting of the Tinfoil Hat society or something? gee you are getting to be in the same league as Stan and that guy who used to call himself USA.

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16cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

jessiedavid.....I provided proof that you are telling a lie. I'm even going to attach another link that proves that Obama the President of the United States of America NEVER went by the name Soetoro at Occidental college or anywhere else.

By the way, according to the ten commandments it's a mortal sin to spread "false witness", (that means lie). So if you don't repent for spreading "false witness" about our Commander in Chief you are doomed to burn in hell for eternity. Can I get a witness from a witless?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-met...

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17doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

formerytown, First of all, I'm a guy, so you're statement about having sex with me in college is pretty creepy.. Second, and even more troubling, is that you implied you actually went to college, and yet you're still such a moron.

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18jojuggie(1478 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Anyone who reads the liberal Tampa Bay Times and the liberal snopes is a confirmed LIBERAL.
What you guys need in Youngstown is a Republican mayor. That will put Youngstown back on the road to recovery.

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19cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

olddude.....I provided links from snopes, politifact (a Pulitzer Prize winner) and now a link from FactCheck. You provided a YouTube video from some teabagger no one ever heard of. Anyone can post anything on YouTube. The sources I used have thousands of links on anything and everything political and I have never heard of one thing from any of them proved wrong and I don't believe that will start with a video some wack job put together about a conspiracy to overthrow the United States of America.

You and jessiedavid and jojuggie are crazy people that provide the lunacy on this board I love to make fun of. Thanks for that.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-...

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20peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

APRIL FOOL!!!!! Let's see what comments we hear now Cambridge.

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21webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Please tell me what reasoning makes some of you men posting here believe that contraceptive methods, used by women, is any of your business? (Catholic Church's stance notwithstanding) Don't attempt to link the issue with your tax money. Tax money paid by women will be financing your Viagra. Contraceptives for women is a health issue. Viagra for men is never that. Respectfully, spare me the BS and just answer the question.

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22Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

28 states already have this law ,
Where were they when then .
Most had GOP GOVs who signed the law . This is just hate by the Right wing

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23webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Jessiedavid, spare me your opinion about my familiarity with the US Constitution. I might be a Harvard Constitutional scholar for all you know.

You don't have the say about what I can post here. Climb on down off your high horse and address my inquiry or buzz off.

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24peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Webad,
Jessie doesn't have an answer to your question. just ignore him like the rest of us.
I will say that, What business does a bishop or priest or whatever, have telling women, married or not, that using contraceptives is a sin? We are supposed to pop out a baby every year regardless of our ability to provide for one or if it's what our husbands want?? It's ludicrous, and 98% of all Catholic women agree. I remember something my mother told me, which happened a long time ago when I was small. Our next door neighbor lady told my mom that, after she had 4 children in 6 years, she had a lot of "female problems" (she was a rather petite lady). Her uterus was literally falling out. Her doctor advised her that she should have a hysterectomy. She was in the hospital the night before (back in the days when they'd let you stay overnight for an operation) and lo and behold, our parish priest appeared in her room. She was touched, initially, that he came to see her before her operation, until she heard him say, without even asking how she was, that he had got wind of the fact that she was in the hospital (probably was contacted because back then when you registered you had to fill in the blank on the registration form asking what your religious affiliation was) and he was there in the capacity of her priest, to make sure that she wasn't having this operation solely for the purpose of not wanting to have any more children! He had even talked to her doctor without her knowledge! Can you believe the humiliation she must have felt, this guy sticking his nose into her private affairs this way? Insanity!

President Obama has already given religious institutions dispensation from paying for these "evil" contraceptives anyway, so all of this issue is really over and done with. The Right Wing has seized this issue trying to stir up more hate for the President but this time it's going to backfire, mark my words. Women (at least the ones with half a brain) aren't going to vote against their self interests on this issue.

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25valleyred(1100 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

EducationVoter, the Ohio Catholic Bishops did NOT endorse a NO vote on Issue 2, aka repealing SB5.

I am a Catholic that is a conservative. I disagree slightly on the death penalty, although I would only use that in the most extreme of cases and that is it. Rick Perry embracing it in the debates was pretty sickening to me.

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26pmeoh(6 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The amount of bigotry expressed in this discourse is appalling.

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27AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Jessie,
Who is this Barry guy you keep mentioning? You seem so ignorant just throwing names out there.
I never see you teabaggrs use mitt "flipflop" romney's name? But you always use Obama's full name.

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28cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

AAC.....jessie thinks if he lies and says that Obama went by the name Saetoro or any other name but Obama that sane people will actually believe him.

Don't tell him that everyone knows he's lying because it's so much fun watching this clown make a fool of himself every time he tells that same teabagger lie over and over again.

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29webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The Fox News Channel watchers on here are transparent and easily identified. They parrot one another and they all parrot the Fox faux news commentators with blind conviction.

Check out this Fox News debunking site if you dare, clones.

HTTP://WWW.NEWSHOUNDS.US

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30cambridge(3101 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

jessie.....don't get any on you.

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31doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

jessie, so what you're saying is that you're going to vote for President Obama in November because he's the leader of our nation.

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32sportsmom(5 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

This whole thing is silly.
Contraception should be paid for by those people who choose to use it and nobody else.

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33CommonSenseGuy(37 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all*

*except unborn children and Catholics

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34uptowngirl(117 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The Catholic Bishops missed the boat on this--Their response should have been that natural family planning classes and supplies will be provided for free. If couples do not want to use natural family planning then they pay for other birth control, just like you pay for medications not included on their insurance's formulary.

There are many things that health insurance does not cover--if I want the noncovered entity, I must pay for it whether it is a physician prescribed item or not.

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35OdysseusTheGreat(2 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Guess what? NOT EVERYBODY BELIEVES IN YOUR GOD.

Not everybody is Catholic, and NOBODY should be REQUIRED to follow a religious law!

Freedom of CHOICE to CHOOSE what is right for EACH PERSON. It isn't taking YOUR rights away, and a fetus IS NOT a person, therefore, you are wrong.

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