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Democrats first, Catholics second



Published: Thu, February 16, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

Democrats first, Catholics second

In a Feb. 10 letter to the editor, a writer takes issue with Youngstown Diocese Bishop George Murry’s letter on the health care law dealing with insurance coverage of birth control, abortion, and drugs and supplies. It is interesting to note his criticism of teaching us to be obedient of laws. Apparently he believes we should obey man-made law and disregard or ignore God’s law, the Ten Commandants, which include thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not commit adultery, to name two.

The problem with Catholics is there are two groups. One group is Democrat first and all the party stands for and Catholic second or less. The other group is Catholic first and political affiliation second or less. The priests and nuns who are Democrats first will tell you to vote for Democrats who defend and make abortion possible, because you have to look at the good they do for others. Mother Teresa, who did good works for others all her life, did not get one press pass on abortion.

The Ten Commandments are simple and to the point with no small print or exceptions. What part of thou shalt not kill don’t you understand? God chooses when we are born, where we are born, and who our father will be and he alone knows when we will be called to judgment, and if we are free of sin, rewarded by joining him in heaven.

Frank Greggo, Boardman


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1newsmaker1(127 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The Catholic Church may have learned a lesson. They thought his social justice talks were good for the country, They were clueless, as are many religious organizations.

Obama is the Cancer that will destroy Christianity, He is the Devil Incarnate, who masks his real intentions, using a happy face and lofty words.

When you bring down America, Christianty will go down with it.

Obama when speaking, has replaced the term 'Freedom of Religion' with Freedom of Worship' In Communist China they have Freedom of Worship as long as its in State Church. . Our Constitution clearly and loudly proclaims Freedom of Relgion'

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2Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Republicans embracing the Catholic Church are going to have some problems.
1. The Catholic Bishops oppose the Death Penalty. Not partially. Completely.

2. The Catholic Bishops support Collective Bargaining and worker rights to organize. (Although, HEY BISHOPS! Where was the letter from the pulpit during the SB5 debacle in Ohio, and similar erosions of collective bargaining in Wisconsin among other states?)
3. The Catholic Church supports immigrants from Mexico, legally here or not, they are strong Catholics.

I would say that many of the current batch of the US Conference of Bishops are conservatives, but I have to chuckle at the idea of their inclusion with the Teapartiers. Good luck with polite conversation at the party.

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3Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

A leader of the US Bishops, Archbishop Dolan said this week:

"This may be one of the more well-oiled and effective protests that we’ve waged to something a president has done, which is why it’s getting attention, and I’m glad it is."

My question is, "Who oiled it ... who wrote the Bishops' letter... they all read it with their own names attached, but it was the same letter? Did the Bishops enact this campaign on their own, or with Republican operatives?"

After all, the Catholic Church was given one to two years to come to compromise with this mandate to do something... Why the rush during an election season?

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4UNCOMMONSENSE(352 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Education, you are right on the point.

Thou Shalt Not Kill, unless you are a republican exercising the death penalty.

Thou Shalt Not Steal, unless you are a republican trying to destroy the middle class.

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, unless you are Newt Gingrich

And the hypocrisy continues.

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5walter_sobchak(1831 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Uncommonsense, you are right on the point.

Thou Shalt Not Kill, unless you are a democrat promoting infanticide by supporting partial-birth abortions.

Thou Shalt Not Steal, unless you are a democrat trying to perpetuate the status the lower class by stealing their dignity with preserving govt programs that perpetuate poverty.

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, unless you are Bill Clinton or Bawney Fwank.

And the hypocrisy continues on both sides.

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6cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Just so you all know, the federal government gives out 65 billion dollars to "religious organizations" for "faith based" charities.

These "religious organizations" pay no taxes while not having to follow the same rules the tax payers that hand over those billions must follow.

How much of our tax payer billions are used for defending child rapist, the clergy that protected them and payoffs for their victims?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_b...

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7Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Contraception is not abortion, formerytown. In fact, John Rock, the developer of the birth control pill was a Catholic, who thought he was solving that problem by blocking fertilization of an egg in the first place.
http://www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_03_...

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8AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

@formerytown

"Tramping on our religion" Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

I wonder how many parishoners of the Catholic Church use or ever used birthcontrol. I wonder how many employess at St. E's hospital currently use or ever used birth control.

The Catholic Church forbids the use of birth control, though studies have shown that up to 98 percent of Catholic women use birth control and a recent CBS News/New York Times poll showed over 60 percent of Catholics in favor of the Obama administration's decision.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02...

Hey Newt.. What does the catholic church say about divorce and remarry?

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9AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Nobody is telling catholics that work at a hospital that they MUST use birthcontrol. Many of those 28% are already using birth control.

Honestly. Tell me you do not know one catholic who ever used birth control.

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10doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey newsmaker, did you really just say ..."[Obama] is the Devil Incarnate, who masks his real intentions, using a happy face and lofty words. "

Yes you did, didn't you, my tea partying friend. You wrote that, and yet you fail to realize that you are, in fact, quite insane.

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11doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Greggo, what does contraception have to do with abortion. The president's plan has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with abortion. Abortion is permitted now b/c the Supreme Court has ruled that it is a woman's right. SO go cry to them if you don't like interpretation of our constitution.. Last I checked the Supreme Court is 5 to 4 in favor of the gop/tea party. And actually, if you practice the rythm method, that is a form of contraception or if you hump your little brains out and pull out quick that, too, is contraception, or how about a condom....all of these are forms of birth control, so which ones are ok and which ones aren't --- or are we all just supposed to stop having sex? Finally, the most recent polls have 97% of catholic women having used some form of birth control in their lives and the latest nationwide poll has 67% of all Americans favoring our president's plan to provide all women with access to complete health care coverage, b/c you probably didn't know - or care to find out - many women use the pill to treat many different types of female health problems, so wake up and smell the estrogen, little man...You're on the wrong side of this argument, and it'll show in Nov.

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12doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

you think this is war formerytown, then do something about it, and quit yer whining on some second rate website message board, you little coward. With people like you on the gop/tea party's side, this issue is a win for our president, and the women of America. Thanks for your help, and keep up the crazy.

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13doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

And one other thing formerytown, i reread your last few posts and I have to say that it sounds like you have a real problem not with birth control, but with sex....they have a pill for that problem nowadays....and the gop/tea makes sure your insurance company covers it in your healthcare plan; free of charge, of course.

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14300(553 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"communist/fascist/socialist ", written by Jessiedavid.

I believe this just about sums up the metal capacity of many on the religious right.

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15300(553 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"communist/fascist/socialist ", written by Jessiedavid.

I believe this just about sums up the mental capacity of many on the religious right.

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16cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

jessiedavid.....Since everyone else knows that the teabagger/birther/republicns made up the lie that Obama used the name Soetoro at Occidental college you should stop telling the same lie.

It makes you look even dumber than usual every time you do it.

Your welcome.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...

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17cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

jessiedavid.....I provided proof that you are telling a lie. I'm even going to attach another link that proves that Obama the President of the United States of America NEVER went by the name Soetoro at Occidental college or anywhere else.

By the way, according to the ten commandments it's a mortal sin to spread "false witness", (that means lie). So if you don't repent for spreading "false witness" about our Commander in Chief you are doomed to burn in hell for eternity. Can I get a witness from a witless?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-met...

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18doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

formerytown, First of all, I'm a guy, so you're statement about having sex with me in college is pretty creepy.. Second, and even more troubling, is that you implied you actually went to college, and yet you're still such a moron.

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19olddude(194 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR...

Mr factman Cambridge, Please check on this link and and comment

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20olddude(194 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik...

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21cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

olddude.....I provided links from snopes, politifact (a Pulitzer Prize winner) and now a link from FactCheck. You provided a YouTube video from some teabagger no one ever heard of. Anyone can post anything on YouTube. The sources I used have thousands of links on anything and everything political and I have never heard of one thing from any of them proved wrong and I don't believe that will start with a video some wack job put together about a conspiracy to overthrow the United States of America.

You and jessiedavid and jojuggie are crazy people that provide the lunacy on this board I love to make fun of. Thanks for that.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-...

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22webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Please tell me what reasoning makes some of you men posting here believe that contraceptive methods, used by women, is any of your business? (Catholic Church's stance notwithstanding) Don't attempt to link the issue with your tax money. Tax money paid by women will be financing your Viagra. Contraceptives for women is a health issue. Viagra for men is never that. Respectfully, spare me the BS and just answer the question.

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23Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

28 states already have this law ,
Where were they when then .
Most had GOP GOVs who signed the law . This is just hate by the Right wing

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24webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jessiedavid, spare me your opinion about my familiarity with the US Constitution. I might be a Harvard Constitutional scholar for all you know.

You don't have the say about what I can post here. Climb on down off your high horse and address my inquiry or buzz off.

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25valleyred(1093 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

EducationVoter, the Ohio Catholic Bishops did NOT endorse a NO vote on Issue 2, aka repealing SB5.

I am a Catholic that is a conservative. I disagree slightly on the death penalty, although I would only use that in the most extreme of cases and that is it. Rick Perry embracing it in the debates was pretty sickening to me.

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26pmeoh(6 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The amount of bigotry expressed in this discourse is appalling.

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27AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jessie,
Who is this Barry guy you keep mentioning? You seem so ignorant just throwing names out there.
I never see you teabaggrs use mitt "flipflop" romney's name? But you always use Obama's full name.

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28cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

AAC.....jessie thinks if he lies and says that Obama went by the name Saetoro or any other name but Obama that sane people will actually believe him.

Don't tell him that everyone knows he's lying because it's so much fun watching this clown make a fool of himself every time he tells that same teabagger lie over and over again.

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29newsmaker1(127 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro is not a King, He doesn't get to decide rights for citizens or organizations. We have a 1st amendment, its not the 3rd amendment, or the 5th amendment. Founders made a tremendous statement with the FIRST (1st) amendment and with it our Freedoms and Liberties are still intact

Don't get upset with the name Barry Soetero, get upset that a Dictator is waging war with our Constitution...

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30webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The Fox News Channel watchers on here are transparent and easily identified. They parrot one another and they all parrot the Fox faux news commentators with blind conviction.

Check out this Fox News debunking site if you dare, clones.

HTTP://WWW.NEWSHOUNDS.US

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31cambridge(2950 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

jessie.....don't get any on you.

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32doubled(210 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

jessie, so what you're saying is that you're going to vote for President Obama in November because he's the leader of our nation.

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33Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Valleyred,
To their credit, the Ohio Conference of Catholic Bishops was one of the first to defend collective bargaining when our governor attacked:
sample:
This social doctrine has long recognized
that all people have the right to economic
initiative, to productive work, to just wages and
benefits, to decent working conditions, to organize and join unions or other associations,
and to engage in collective bargaining.
http://www.ohiocathconf.org/I/Advocac...

Their website
http://www.ohiocathconf.org/home_fram...
On the negative side, they themselves suppress unions in their businesses, like St. Elizabeth Hospital nurses.

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34sportsmom(5 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

This whole thing is silly.
Contraception should be paid for by those people who choose to use it and nobody else.

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35Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Sportsmom,
Birth control pills are a prescribed by a doctor. The doctor who prescribed them to me required a yearly checkup in her office in order to get them. That office visit, by the time all of her required tests were done, ran about $100.00.
I'm a little confused as to why you wouldn't consider that healthcare.
In my doctor's judgment, a pregnancy would have been dangerous for me, and poor odds for a potential fetus to be healthy and full-term. So instead of continuing a series of miscarriages into my fifties, I took preventative action. My healthcare is supplemented by my employer, and this prescription was covered.
All employees of Catholic businesses are asking is that they be allowed to exercise their own judgment and consciences, as Catholics like my doctor and I did.

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36CommonSenseGuy(37 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all*

*except unborn children and Catholics

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37Education_Voter(828 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Really, CommonsenseGuy...you don't give evidence of much commonsense.

Catholics have plenty of liberty and justice. The Bill of Rights now applies to the unborn? unborn? What does that mean?
They can conceal carry weapons?
They can wear t-shirts that express their opinions?
They can assemble in meetings? (Scary)
They can plead the 5th?
They have a vote?
They can freely move about the country?

You were right about the Catholic Bishops and SB5 though. They came out strong for collective bargaining in February, but by November they were jello:
"We encourage voters to carefully review SB 5 in light of our church’s
historic support for worker rights, and our continued call for fair and
balanced worker benefits. Such benefits should reflect current
economic realities and support the needs of both public employers
(citizens) and workers within the framework of the common good of
the whole of society.
The Catholic Bishops of Ohio are neutral on Issue 2."

http://www.ohiocathconf.org/I/electio...

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38uptowngirl(103 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The Catholic Bishops missed the boat on this--Their response should have been that natural family planning classes and supplies will be provided for free. If couples do not want to use natural family planning then they pay for other birth control, just like you pay for medications not included on their insurance's formulary.

There are many things that health insurance does not cover--if I want the noncovered entity, I must pay for it whether it is a physician prescribed item or not.

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39OdysseusTheGreat(2 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Guess what? NOT EVERYBODY BELIEVES IN YOUR GOD.

Not everybody is Catholic, and NOBODY should be REQUIRED to follow a religious law!

Freedom of CHOICE to CHOOSE what is right for EACH PERSON. It isn't taking YOUR rights away, and a fetus IS NOT a person, therefore, you are wrong.

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