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Healthy, maybe; wasted, for sure

Published: Sun, December 30, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

Healthy, maybe; wasted, for sure

Unless you’re in America’s school cafeterias on a daily basis, it is difficult to grasp the scope of the food being thrown away. It is most unfortunate that so many kids find school cafeteria food so unappealing. The people in charge of operating the cafeterias are doing an admirable job providing meals at breakfast and lunch.

Do today’s kids really appreciate healthy foods? Maybe a better question is whether parents are giving their children an opportunity to experience healthy foods.

The USDA and Michelle Obama’s entourage of food nutritionists and health experts have vowed to re-energize America’s lunch program. Students going through the cafeteria line are given a choice for their main entree and a vegetable and fruit must be taken. They cannot refuse either fruit or vegetable. So, what happens to the food not wanted? You guessed it ... in the garbage. Tons of food thrown away every day, while food banks across America are pleading for donations.

Another problem with the new program is that kids are leaving school hungry. The USDA has put a limit on caloric intake for elementary, middle school and high school. You cannot put children of differing heights, weights and gender on the same caloric intake.

Let’s head back to the drawing board and initiate some common sense ideas for America’s school lunch programs best suited for the 21st century child.

Stephen G. Casi, East Palestine

First snow and first failure

Our first snow of the year and everybody claims they were ready, or were they? I had the pleasure of traveling the Mahoning County roads (which are always the worst and still are), state roads, Austintown Township roads, Canfield roads, and Youngstown roads. They were all terrible.

I had to take a family member for a doctor’s appointment or else I would not have been out. I’m hoping when the new Mahoning County engineer takes over he does a lot better job of monitoring our roads in the winter and taking care of the chuckholes in the summer. The outgoing engineer gets a D- on the job he did.

Andy Pappagallo Sr., Mineral Ridge

Tunnel and fracking may not mix

South Range School is plan- ning to put in a tunnel under Route 46, to get the children across to the new sports complex. Under normal circumstances I would applaud their efforts; however we are not dealing with normal circumstances.

The problem is that according to Dr. Yuri Gorby, Ph.D., “When drilling occurs if a pocket of H2S (Hydrogen Sulphide) is hit, it will be released and become airborne.” “H2S gas is heavier than methane and will migrate to the lowest level possible.” If drilling releases this gas, it could migrate into this tunnel.

I attended the public meeting with ODOT on Dec. 11 and relayed my concerns along with the following facts: H2S is odorless and colorless, and as of 2000, a third of all fatalities in oil and gas drilling was caused by H2S. The state of Ohio is sitting on huge pockets of H2S. Oil and gas rigs fly flags in case they hit it, so they will not be downwind. Chemicals used in drilling create even more H2S.

I’m not stating that this will happen, but it could happen. I’m not willing to take that chance with even one child. I urge parents and students to call the school and voice your concerns. I have asked the school and ODOT to build a bridge rather than a tunnel.

We are dealing with circumstances that we have never dealt with before. There are too many variables that we do not have all the answers to.

Patti Gorcheff, North Lima

Traffic cameras are a racket

I was shocked and appalled after watching the news the other evening to hear that Youngstown, just as it is on the threshold of shaking off its “gangster” mafia-run past, would actually consider installing traffic cameras.

The city of Steubenville tried this a few years back, and not only did they have to remove them, it cost the city more money and had no return.

Akron has traffic cameras, but only in the school zones, which are clearly marked. I would agree upon that.

You cannot use Columbus as an example in your studies, nor the Cleveland suburb of Parma. People in Columbus and Parma may as well be another country compared to the citizenry found throughout the Mahoning Valley.

I will not go back in the city limits for anything if this traffic program is continued. I can live completely without having to run into Youngstown for anything.

Why would the city take the risk of making business suffer in Youngstown?

I remember sitting with my Grandfather years ago as a child, every Sunday watching movies about World War II which he fought in, and would remember the dreaded Gestapo on every street corner. Is this what Youngstown wants?

In protest, if this traffic camera project is to happen, I may plan on gathering friends and posting them on every major intersection throughout the city with Nazi-related signs, warning drivers and tourists alike about the dangers of the city government of Youngstown.

Danny Douglas, Niles

A primer on the Humane Society

Due to the ongoing con fusion about the role of the Humane Society of Columbiana County, I offer this description. It is a 501c3 non-profit animal welfare organization. We sponsor trained humane agents that are sworn into duty by the probate judge in accordance with the Ohio Revised Code.

Currently, we have two agents who investigate concerns for all 532 square miles of Columbiana County on a volunteer basis. Both agents have paid, full-time jobs outside of their humane agent duties and respond to leads on an average of 30 hours per week. All concerns that are received are reviewed by the agents and prioritized for maximum efficiency. Our Humane Hotline (330 831-2613) should be utilized to report suspected animal abuse or neglect. All calls must go through central dispatch to maintain an accurate log of calls received. If a call is not answered live, please be sure to leave a detailed description of the complaint and the full street address and city where the concern is located; it is not uncommon for more than one city to have street names in common (i.e. Main Street, Maple Street, etc.) Should you choose to leave your number and we need additional information, you will receive a return call requesting further details. Failure to provide a full address may result in the delay or inability to respond to the concern.

Once calls are given to the agents and an investigation is opened, no details will be released. This ensures that the investigation will not be compromised. Due to confidentiality, agents will not discuss details of any case, even with the party that made the report. If the reporter receives additional information, this should be called into the hotline so that it can be dispatched to the agents for follow up. Agents spend their time investigating concerns; doing follow-up visits to help pet owners provide proper care (as define by the Ohio Revised Code); and providing resources, such as straw, food, dog boxes, and educational materials to the public. Our goal is to try to help animals remain in their own home whenever possible. The majority of the calls we receive are able to be resolved through education and follow-up visits. If these visits do not yield improvements in care, then by law, the animals may be removed by the agents and charges may be filed against the owner.

With your help, we can work together to improve the lives of animals in Columbiana County.

Heather Jurina, Salem

The writer is director of operations for the Humane Society of Columbiana County.


1ulistenup(95 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago


The Humane Society of Columbiana County seems to be a well-intentioned group. As a 501(c)3 organization, it runs on tax deductible donations and exists "to improve the lives of animals in Columbiana County."

Many who contribute to your group probably have never heard of Peter Singer, the ethics professor from Princeton, who published "Animal Liberation" in 1975, and has been cited as a formative influence on leaders of the modern animal liberation movement. The central argument of the book is an expansion of the utilitarian idea that "the greatest good of the greatest number" is the only measure of good or ethical behaviour. Singer argues that there is no reason not to apply this to other animals. He popularized the term "speciesism", which was originally coined by Richard D. Ryder, to describe the practice of privileging humans over other animals.

Singer, who leads the animal rights movement world wide, has turned concern for animals into a form where it competes ethically with the rights of humans.

He is pro-abortion and takes a utilitarian view of all life, concentrating his ethical arguments around the notion of value being dictated to awareness and the ability to feel pain.

Animal welfare has historically been a concern, but the movement itself really took off in the 20th century. (I would imagine that the Columbiana County Humane Society has only existed for a few decades at most.)

Groups such as yours cannot help but forward the destructive agenda of the current animal-rights movement of the Peter Singers of this world.

The natural consequence of advancing animal rights is to diminish human rights, whether it be concerning persons themselves or persons as owners of animals as property.

It appears that you operate basically to act as a reporting agency to the police to enforce the criminal law against animal cruelty.

But people considering contributing to groups such as yours, out of misplaced compassion, should stop to re-evaluate their motivations - to see if they have "bought into" the Singer agenda.

Animals do not have "rights." To elevate animals to be on a par with humans - only serves to downgrade human rights.

Animals used to be worshiped. I am afraid we have entered a time when the legitimate concern for the sanctity of all life has been usurped and overtaken by Peter Singer's anti-human philosophy.

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2Ret(39 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago


I do understand your viewpoint about animal rights. Many organizations such as Peta go way over the edge. I do give to organization such as the humane society, not for the rights of animals but to help correct the inhumanity of man.

I believe that the good lord put animals here on earth for mans needs, whether that be food, work and even companionship. I don't believe he gave us these gifts to be abuse. My family are farmers that raise animals for market. The animals are fed and shelter not only because it's the humane thing to do, but well tended animals make for a better profit at market time.

As for companion animals such as dogs and cats, they have the god given ability to show love unconditionally, to tie a dog up behind the house and ignore or starve it to death is a waste of god's gift. God made man the stewards of the earth and all the beast upon it. Let us be good stewards.

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3redeye1(5107 comments)posted 2 years, 7 months ago

Michele Obammy 's plan for lunches is nothing more then a waste of taxpayers money. Make the parents feed their kids before and after school. If I had kids in school today I would be packing their lunches with things that they would eat . Not this tasteless garbage that they are now serving in our schools.

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4GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Good God. Why is it every time someone writes a letter about animal abuse, nut jobs like ulistenup start their old, tired rhetoric about raising animals to human level.

We get it. Your crazy.

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5FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago


How many dogs have you tortured, killed, maimed, or abused? Did your parents realize early on that you are indeed a screw up and treat the family dog better than you? Is that why you hate dogs? I'm willing to bet that's what happened.

Just as Ret said above, dogs have the ability to to show love unconditionally. Maybe you should take a page out of their book of life and try it.

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6ulistenup(95 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Former and GoPens,

Why don't you do some research instead of just condemning my post. Just google "Peter Singer" and you'll both see what I am talking about.

Ret, I too agree that we are charged with the responsibility of acting as good stewards - including of animals.

My point is (and you were the one that brought up PETA - yes they are crazy) that "animal rights" has taken on a whole new meaning since the 20th century and it is a negative for mankind.

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7GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

No research needed. From reading your worthless 76 previous posts I'm sure his ideas are just as worthless.

Just answer this question? What scares you so much about his continuing rant about raising animals to a level of humans?

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8TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Once again, ulooneytunes connects this article to abortion. Yikes

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9GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

He's a one trick pony.

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10ulistenup(95 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

GoPens and TB,

You both obviously did not read my entire post. If you did you would see that there is an obvious connection between Singer's depreciated view of human life value and abortion.

As far as my concentration on abortion as the number one societal problem - name me one other problem greater than the sanctity of human life?

Abortion claims 1/2 of all black children in our country and thus is the genocide of that race.

Name something worse than that.

And GoPens, elevating animals above humans does not scare me - it's just symptomatic of a world that has returned to paganism.

Yes, we are sick in this country, and your cavalier attitude towards that problem is disturbing.

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11GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

First off. Cite the source that abortion claims 1/2 of all black children in this country. A credible source, not one of your anti-abortion whack job sites.

Paganism? Seriously? Wanting to increase punishments for those who abuse animals is paganism.

You talk about the sanctity of human life. You are just pro-birth. Get them born and then forget about programs that help these children--in many cases unwanted children.

Unloved, beaten and abused children living in poverty--that's a bigger societal problem than abortion.

I still can't get over the paganism line. Talk about scary and disturbing. It's people like you that are driving away people from the church IN DROVES. This is the 21st Century, not Biblical times.


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12GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Then again...I'll save your search for your made up "fact" about 1/2 of black children being aborted. Here's the real facts from the U.S. Census...

The total U.S. population grew by
9.7 percent, from 281.4 million in
2000 to 308.7 million in 2010. In comparison, the Black alone population grew by 12 percent from 34.7 million to 38.9 million.

So the black population is growing faster than the total U.S. population. Impossible if 1/2 of blacks are being aborted. Next time you try and make an argument, don't pull numbers out of your ***

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13ulistenup(95 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago


Your argument makes no sense - it is NOT impossible to have a 50% abortion rate among black women with the black population growing. There are just that many more pregnancies.

And yes, I have seen the number among black women at 50%.

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14walter_sobchak(2205 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

Ms Gorcheff,
Please get your facts correct. Methane is odorless and colorless. Gas companies introduce the skunk smell to detect leaks. Hydrogen sulfide is not odorless; it is what gives farts that rich smell! Of course, most of the environmental idiots don't believe that their farts do smell. A tunnel under SR46 will be very short and very shallow. Air exchange will occur quite easily by normal air currents.

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15GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

@ulistenup. With each post you continue to shred any credibility you had, which wasn't much to begin with. Keep it up!

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16ulistenup(95 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago


According to the N.Y. Times -

"Abortion rates among African-Americans were almost five times the rate of whites and more than twice that of Hispanics."

The Guttmacher Institute notes that:

In raw numbers white women had about 1/3 of the abortions and black women had 37%

Conclusion, GoPens:

The fact that there are so many more whites than blacks indicates a bigger abortion crisis among people of color.

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17GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

"Abortion claims 1/2 of all black children in our country and thus is the genocide of that race."

No where in your statement above do you back up what your quote says. That half of black pregnancies end in abortion.

How can it be "genocide" if the black population is increasing?

A weak attempt, but keep trying. That whistling sound you're hearing is the last of your credibility blowing away with each post.

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18TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 6 months ago

I read. Just as I read the articles above, none of which mentioned abortion or a concept connected to abortion. You have abortion on the brain.

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