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Anti-fracking protesters march on Youngstown's North Side


Published: Sat, December 29, 2012 @ 12:01 a.m.

By BURTON SPEAKMAN

bspeakman@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

With an eye toward the release of “Promised Land,” a movie about a Pennsylvania town making a decision about whether or not to allow fracking, local protesters marched in Youngstown to promote their own effort to ban the practice in the city.

Activist Lynn Anderson asked everyone who attended Friday’s event to sign a petition on the Frackfree America website that would put an issue on the ballot to ban fracking.

“We’re putting the issue directly on the ballot because the mayor and the city council are not serving the citizens,” she said.

The plan is to gain enough signatures to place a referendum on the primary ballot in May, Anderson said.

Doug Shields, former Pittsburgh city councilman who helped get a similar ban on fracking passed in Pittsburgh, said he talks to a lot of farmers who regret leasing mineral rights to the oil and gas industry.

“[The industry] promises a lot, gives very little and takes everything,” Shields said.

Citizens should pass these types of bans to protect their future, he said.

Dan Alfaro, spokesman for Energy In Depth-Ohio, an oil- and gas-industry support organization, criticized Shields’ involvement in trying to help pass a ban on fracking in Youngstown.

“It’s not surprising Mr. Shields would welcome the opportunity to jump in the limelight, albeit a small, dim one, to continue promoting his factless agenda,” Alfaro said. “It’s politics at its worst — his propagandist messages no longer hold sway in southwestern Pennsylvania, so he looks to gain celebrity amongst a small group of anti-fossil fuel

activists across the river in engaging in the politics of distraction.”

The protest did not go exactly as the protesters had hoped.

Chris Lewis, director of marketing and public relations for Stambaugh Auditorium, asked the protesters to leave the stairway of the historic auditorium on Fifth Avenue.

“You didn’t ask for permission, and you can’t be here on private property,” Lewis said to the marchers.

The protesters left without incident, starting again across the street in Wick Park.

“Stambaugh Auditorium is in no way affiliated with any group in support of or in opposition to any issue of this kind, and does not endorse protests or demonstrations of any sort on the property,” Lewis wrote in a statement after the protesters left.


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1bmanresident(577 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

If only these activists found something constructive to do instead of trying to hamper the upcoming Valley revitalization.

These people would've protested the Steel mills all those years ago i would bet. Where would Youngstown be if it weren;t for that industry.

The 60s are over, the hippie movement long gone, its time to move on folks.

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2lee(544 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Hay Viny I think you will find that the Tea Party likes the oil industry, the anti fracking nuts are libs.

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3Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Wow, looks like they had a huge turnout for this protest. I counted 9 people. LMAO

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4JUSLIKEDIS(7 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Getting turned away from the Stambaugh Auditorium is a huge downer! The next step should be to march on the sewage treatment plant to stop those methane gas discharges.

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5LtMacGowan(622 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Fracking needs to be stopped! I for enjoy not having 13 earthquakes a year. Funny how after that last major earthquake on New Years Eve 2011 when they imposed the moratorium we haven't had any quakes at all?

Whats a little earth quakes and untold ecological damage compared to some cheap, short sighted profit!

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6UticaShale(848 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Hey Lt Mac!
Get with it genius, disposal wells caused the quakes, not fracking, my six year old knows the difference.
Fracking is what is heating your butt for $3 while the rest of the world pays $20.

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7Attis(829 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

The spokesman for Energy In Death-Ohio, accuses these protesting patriots about a "factless agenda", "politics at its worst" and "propagandist messages".
Bad case of projection, eh Alfaro? Must really bug you that at least one public servant is not among your harem of political prostitutes.

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8chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

No mention of Bob Hagan. Has he abandoned his anti-fracking friends?

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9GeorgeinYoungstown(76 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Just a reminder -

Frack Free consists of average citizens from throughout the Mahoning Valley with very little means, and whose sole purpose is to protect & defend the health & safety of Valley citizens, and it's environment.

Energy in Depth is an Oil & Gas Corporation front group that gets millions of $$$ from those same corporations.

Ask yourself, which one has the most to gain financially for their efforts?

"Energy in Depth (EID) is a pro-oil-and-gas drilling industry front group formed by the American Petroleum Institute, the Independent Petroleum Association of America (IPAA) and dozens of additional industry organizations for the purpose of criticizing the documentary "Gaslands", their latest attempt being a documentary produced by a political attack ad agency for EID, the ironically titled "Truthland"[1] which was exposed as a gas industry infomercial[2] as soon as it was released. The domain for the website promoting the film —Truthlandmovie.com — is owned by gas driller Chesapeake Energy.[3]"

"EID consists of several interrelated fronts in several states, with ties to various PR firms, gas companies and political lobbyists, as detailed by Dory Hippauf in "The Gas Roots". [4]"

"EID attacks grassroots opposition to fracking as part of a conspiracy, and denounce specific legislation, such as legislation proposed by Colorado U.S. Rep. Diana DeGette to regulate underground hydraulic fracturing fluids."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/...

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10sameolhub(53 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Fracking and off shore drilling, and drilling on government owned lands, and in Alaska, and pretty much anywhere else we have the ability to extract energy from the earth are all part of the puzzle of getting us energy independent from Muslims like our current president. These left wing nut job protesters will say the sky is falling regardless of what attempts we make to become energy independent. We need a civil war, the right vs the left, the makers vs the takers, the conservatives vs socialists, most of the left will sleep in that day waiting for their government checks. Take a trip to Washington Pa, the fracking capital of western Pa and look at their economy and the wealth being created there morons!!!! And we wonder why Youngstown is the armpit of America? It's those liberal dumocrats running things here all of these years that have made us that.

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11cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

After reading the comments on this thread It is obvious that stupidity IS a disease.

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12JakeJ(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

If Americans were as smart as they make themselves out to be we would be creating manufacturing jobs, inventing sustainable energy options that would benefit us now and for the future of our children. The fossil fuel industry is a path to destruction and the industry knows it. That's why they hire hacks like Alfaro to try to legitimize what they are doing. Just like the tobacco industry. Wake up people, do you honestly think that any of us are against jobs and boosting the economy? When the risks outweigh the rewards it's not worth the $$ only a few will get.

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13JakeJ(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I forgot to mention, the industry is getting nervous. When a movie like Promise Land comes out to let people know whats really going on they send in the Alfaro's to do their dirty work like bad mouthing those who actually care and spend their time volunteering to help make the world a better place. If this industry was so good for everyone there wouldn't be movies like Promise Land, Gasland and others that will come warning us to be cautious, not greedy like the industry hacks. This one industry wouldn't have to be exempt from regulations every other industry must abide by. I honestly don't know how these people sleep at night. They know what they are doing is wrong, it's just that some will take $$$ over integrity and honesty. Sometimes I am embarrassed to read the crap that the people living in my town are writing. It's shameful and ignorance is a large reason why there is so much unemployment in this town.

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14JoeFromHubbard(876 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Fortunately the oil and gas industry is sufficiently established to deflect the nonsense presented by these misguided souls who let fear and ignorance be their guide.

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15lee(544 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Vinny where did you get the idea that the Tea Party was against progress? I have been to a lot of Tea Party rallies and never heard any one want to stop drilling, I have even said the gas company could put a well in my garage if they paid me enough for it

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16Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Farmer's tractors running on natural gas ? I think I smell B.S.

So for decades we bought gas from Muslim nations and now it is taboo because horizontal fracking will save the nation from all of its woes ? Yeah OK.

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17cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

markus....I'm against fracking but I haven't gotten any funding from the RUSSIANS yet. Do you have their number or a link, I'd like to call them and get my cut?

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18cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

jmwo8...since you are an expert on the subject, can you tell me why fracking is exempt from federal clean air and clean water acts?

I know that the dick....chenney had the energy companies wright America's energy policy and that is when the exemptions were put in place. Is it because the energy companies and their shills...I mean experts like yourself know without the exemption they couldn't keep fracking up the air and water?

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1976Ytown(1152 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

http://www.cleanwater.org/page/fracki...

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20UticaShale(848 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Cambridge my brotha! Man, where you been, I'm sorry......I'll admit to everything you want me to, okay, okay, fracking is evil, yes it destroys the water. Look man, anything you want me to say.....just please don't stop driving your car...keep the lawnmower goin.......and don't shut off your furnace bro.......please. You'll make me disappear if you stop the MATRIX....I need you man, we are the same we cannot live without each other.........please.............don't become AMISH, keep sucking up energy so that I may live!

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21kurtw(770 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

The anti-frackers (like the left-wing in general) always misuses or ignores facts- that's how they operate. They play on emotions and primitive urges.

They say that fracking is bad, but if you ask them to explain they're always short on specifics. They don't care about facts- it's a religion with them- might as well argue with a snake handler.

The best approach with these kinds of people is to ignore them. State the facts as they are for reasonable people to determine- nut-jobs belong with raisins- good mix, really, very nutritious!

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22kurtw(770 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Also, I wonder what their turnout will be this time- last time they had thirty people- zealots from the Unitarian Chapel on Elm Street- how many this time- 35, 36?

The Youngstown-Metro area has how many- 300,000? Well, Jesus only had 12 Disciples, right.

It's a religious movement with them, has nothing to do with facts or science at all.

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23cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

uticashill....untill you and the rest of you shills (or all those user names you?) tell me why if you are not polluters you would need to be exempt from clean water and clean air acts. you are frauds and everyone knows it.

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24WolfAxis(3 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Protesting is worthless and about as autistic as supporting drilling itself. To hell with the economy. That which is falling should be pushed.

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25Ytown20(118 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

So proud of my fellow Mahoning Valley residents for putting in hours and hours of their time to keep bringing attention this pressing issue.

Youngstown is keeping pace with the rest of Ohio cities working towards a citizen's rights ban just as Mansfield, Broadview Heights and Yellow Springs Ohio have just recently passed.

And once more people in our area experience the massive industrialization fracking will bring to our peaceful communities, bans will be sought at an even faster pace.

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26walter_sobchak(1750 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

cambridge,
From my review of the reasons that fracking is exempt from the clean water and air acts, the EPA policy and interpretation was that oil and gas exploration activities were not subject to the restrictions of the acts. The 2005 exemption law put into legislation what had been up to that time the accepted EPA practice. Apparently, the EPA is not set up to deal with the permitting process for oil and gas exploration which is handled on the state level. Some members of Congress argued that giving the EPA even more power over industry would only delay drilling and exploration activities for sources of fossil fuels. But, Dick Cheney indeed was CEO of Halliburton until 2000 and most of his net worth and devil horns are attributed to that tenure. But the current administration has an distinct animus of private industry and I'm sure they would love to nationalize the oil and gas industry.

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27cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

walter...you talked around it a bit but after I filtered out the BS I think we have a winner.

"from my review of the reasons that fracking is exempt from the clean water and air acts....dick cheney indeed was CEO of halliburton until 2000...."

At least you had the gears to actually answer the question once it stopped spinning which is more than i can say for the industry stooges like uticashill..

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28UticaShale(848 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

I love it! as the protestors shrink in numbers, more rigs keep lining up in Mahoning Valley. Check out the hugh rig in Poland's landfill, at night it looks like a steel mill and notice all the permits on the PA line.
As long as the protestors and Cambridge keep sucking up energy to heat their butts, we grow stronger, yeah baby!

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29lizzyb57(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Look in Vindy, January 4. Even New York's environmental agency has to admit "Fracking" is safe. Much safer than funding Arab countries with US dollars spent on their oil. It's not mysterious and you don't have to believe what you read. Visit Williamsport, PA. then on to Troy, PA.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/jan/04...

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30lizzyb57(4 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

George, these people would not have to remain "of little means" with the jobs the industry would create and attract. Go see PA for yourself. It's only a few hours away.

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31bumbob(123 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Fracking is a terrible practice. And Chris Lewis should know that protest is probably the most significant thing to happen at Stambaugh auditorium in a long time. Sucks he didn't realize that.

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32kurtw(770 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Re: "fracking is a terrible practice".

Why is that? Please explain. You might as well say "internal combustion" is terrible, yet isn't that how must of us move from point A to Z. Or what about natural gas? Isn't that how most people heat their homes -unless, of course, they we chose to burn fire-wood, instead, but, wait, wait, that's terrible too, it increases Global Warming, terrible, terrible. Changing the subject for a minute to eating- what about sausages? I like sausages- but did you ever see what it takes to make them? Yeegh! Enough to change a carnivore into a vegan. Terrible, terrible!

The point is- you can't have it both ways. Every industrial process- including fracking carries risks and benefits and the trick is to correctly balance the two. If the Luddite-lefts chose to be true to their convictions, let them go out and live in tents and eat tofu and bean-sprouts (terrible! terrible!), instead of disparaging the very system that nourishes them- the capitalist-industrial society they love to insult while they live- very comfortably- under it's umbrella.

I've always hated hypocrites and there is nothing more hypocritical than the constant left-wing disparagement of the very society that nourishes them.

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33kurtw(770 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Talking again about "fracking", historically, there's another group of people that had a pathological hatred of another activity that starts with an "F" (I won't spell it out, the "Vindy" being, thank goodness, a family newspaper), but it refers to human reproduction. These people didn't like it because they thought it was ungodly and sinful. They chose to rely on converts, instead.

You may remember them- the "Shakers". There's only a few of them left in up-state New York now (still waiting, presumably, for converts to appear).

Some of the people in the Left-wing Environmental Movement remind me of the Shakers- opposed to an activity they consider "ungodly and sinful" (Liberalism is a Religion- not a Political Movement)- despite the facts.

At least the Shakers kept to themselves- they didn't try to convert other people to their particular brand of Lunacy. Liberals should heed the Shakers in this particular regard as well- and not try to impose their views on the rest of us.

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34kurtw(770 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Why did the protesters on the steps of Stambaugh Auditorium just quietly go away when told to?

If they had the courage of their convictions, the would have chained themselves to the railing and offered to nobly freeze to death in support of their cause. That would have meant something and would have drawn national media attention.

Just getting up and walking away- what is that- cowardly, I call it.

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35cambridge(2918 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

kurtw....can you tell me why the frackers are exempt from federal clean water and clean air acts?

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36UticaShale(848 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Cambridge my brotha! Here you is again, keep powering up that computer and heating your butt up with NG, only means we need to drill more to keep you sucking on the energy nipple. Don't stop dude, we need you and the rest of your ilk so we can frack more!

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37najjjj(106 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

"The 60s are over, the hippie movement long gone, its time to move on folks. "

So, Bman, in other words, sit down shut up and let corps. run amok to "revitalize". You'll be left with a complete wasteland after corps. pull out. All the strides the valley has made in recent years will be for naught when you return to the time when mills pulled out. The recent upturn in the valley has been due in large part to local investors. Guess what, in the long run it works, attracts stable large community base along with large outside companies. Look at Seattle. It cannot be just one sided.......tilted toward steel mills or fracking.

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38kenema(1 comment)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Have time to protest? How about time to find a job?

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39Bigben(1996 comments)posted 1 year, 3 months ago

Keep protesting. You got to love all the outsiders handing out advice. Cambridge made an interesting point about the various user names under a handful of company men. Those protesting aren't getting paid they do it out of interest for the community. You have to love these folks with 2 comments and they are about fracking.LOL

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