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Group forms in Ohio to push tax increases for rich



Published: Sat, December 1, 2012 @ 12:04 a.m.

By Marc Kovac

news@vindy.com

COLUMBUS

A coalition of liberal groups is planning a series of public events across the state, with hopes of persuading Ohio’s Republican congressional delegation to support tax hikes on the country’s wealthiest residents.

The Ohio Action Coalition fears the GOP will block a deal to avoid the looming federal fiscal cliff that would involve tax increases for those who earn more than $250,000 a year.

Instead, the group wants Congress to increase tax rates on the richest 2 percent of residents while extending tax cuts instituted during former President George W. Bush’s term for everyone else.

“Our goal in the campaign is to ensure that tax fairness is a starting point for any deficit-reduction deal struck between Congress and President Obama to avoid the so-called ‘fiscal cliff,’” said Joanne Pickrell, director of the coalition.

The Obama administration and congressional Republicans are negotiating to avoid the fiscal cliff, which refers to the combined spending cuts and tax increases set to take effect in the new year.

Dale Butland, spokesman for the state coalition, said that could mean an estimated “roughly $500 billion” in economic impacts absent federal action.

Supporters of the president say his re-election indicates voters’ support for an approach that includes a combination of spending cuts and a tax increase on the wealthy.

On the campaign trail, Obama made it clear that he would push for higher taxes on the wealthy, while his Republican challenger Mitt Romney campaigned on an opposite approach.

“We are not proposing to soak the rich or to raise taxes even a dime for 98 percent of Americans,” Butland said. “Our plan — and listen to this carefully — is to extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone on the first $250,000 a year that they earn and then tax income over that amount at just the Clinton-era levels.”

The latter would mean an increase to 39.6 percent from 35 percent for the top marginal income-tax rate and to 35 percent from 33 percent for the second-highest tax rate, Butland said.

He added, “Our plan is not only reasonable, it’s exactly what the majority of Americans and Ohioans want.”


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1dlrwrr1(5 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

You do the math; the GOP has dominated the White House for years with their lies and deceit. Now, payday is here for them to pay the American people back all the monies they have stole in taxes and other dirty under handed laws they have passed to only benefit the rich to mega rich. It is a long and lonely road that has no end, and a ill wind that never changes. It is time to pay this country back and ease this one-sided load that this country has had to carry for too long.

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2redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

@dirwrr What a load of crap . You see there even were Dumbocrats who voted for all the spending for the two wars, ex. OBAMMY and HILIARY the BITCH etc. So don't go laying all the blame on the GOP. Its people like you who bought into the Obammycare plan and who has screwed the WHOLE country . Thanks for nothing you liberal fool

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3jeep4grog(2 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

When the Dem's were the majority in Congress back when Bush was still in office, they couldn't agree on anything relating to a budget and they were the majority for two years...

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4taxme(345 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

Ive had about enough of the rublican and teabaggers. Pay more! Its that simple. We dont care about statistical lies. We dont care that the so called rich pay 40% of taxes collected. So we the majority say pay more. Hell it your wars thats gotten us here. Also health care for everypne. We the majority say health care is a right not a privlage for the rich! Easy way and fairest way is a flat tax but you top 2% dont want it because its fair so then youay MORE!

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5lee(544 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

What a great idea, let's tax the evil rich Ah---s until they bleed then they will leave and we will be better off, what have they done except give people a chance to work and make a living, how dare they start business and create wealth.
Look at all the weight we will lose because we no longer are able to find work and unable to buy food for our families. Things will be great when the business men are gone.

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6ytownsteelman(631 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

When the bottom half of the population pays no income tax at all, how can "tax fairness" mean that the bottom half still pay nothing? Where is the fairness in that? This is nothing but a bunch of greedy parasites whose morals have sunk so low that they see no problem in just taking what they want from others. Hey libs, start paying your fair share for once.

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7AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

BUT, BUT, BUT,

W told me if we lower taxes, it will create jobs.

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8redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

AAC So by raising taxes that will create jobs, is that what you are saying. Right. . Believe me once Obammycare kicks in you will be paying plenty of taxes ( or as he likes to say FEES) .And they are already predicting job losses at roughly 700,000 when its fully in use. So you will be taxed even higher to pay their share. You wil also get to wait in long lines for medical help. Hurray for the kool-aid drinking arseholes who voted Obammy in. Remember, there is nothing in this world for free.

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9commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

AAC, unemployment WAS lower when W was in office.

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10ulistenup(95 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

taxme,

"So we the majority say pay more."

Beware of the tyranny of majorities!

(1) A majority enslaved blacks in this country,

(2) A majority made abortion legal in this country.

Majorities don't always do the right thing.

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11stewie(109 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

Stop calling them entitlements! I paid in for 40 yrs.! Hey common citizen, hell yeah unemployment was lower! Your buddy Bush sent hundreds of thousands of people to two war zones! You genius!

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12mcgill319(8 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

You are so right stewie,entitlements are what was given to the super wealthy. When you ask these people living in the "bubble" who want to get rid of S.S.Medicare, if there parents are receiving their due payments, they say, of course,what else would they live on in their retirement? They don't make the connection.

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13mcgill319(8 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

So, Mr. youngstownsteelman, let's get this straight, ALL of the people who make under $250,000.00 are Parasites,living off of the wealthy, like you, right? Who knew working in a Steel Mill, which Obama helped save, could make someone a Millionaire. Does every Millionaire/Billionaire, create jobs, if that were true, where are all the jobs since Bush gave all his, as he calls them, "My have and Have More's" a tax cut? Open up your mind for the sake of the country.

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14thinkthentalk(269 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

These zealots of the rush/fox faith that attend services every day at 12 and 8..

If you paid taxes all your life, had soc sec tax taken out of your pay to pay into the system, and the U.S. Govt held that money for you, and now you retired and getting that money back.

These zealots now consider you the evil "Entitled". You, are now the bottom half scum that pays no taxes.

What infuriates me is, if you want to screw retired people out of their social security, then call it what it is. Screwing people out of their social security. Not this republican "cut entitlements Bullsh*t.

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15redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

TTT Who is the biggest enemy of Soc.Sec. Its the Dumbocrats ? Why do I say this, its easy they were the first to borrow fromit and still have not paid back anything. (LBJ) Who said that we should tax SS ( Peanut farmer Carter) Who changed how inflation is figured ( Bill & Hilliary Clinton) So they didn't have to raise the payments to the seniors on were on it. This is all listed in the history of SS in their records.. If they had left it alone and didn't tax it , most people would have been able to collect around $40,000. a year. That's a hell of lot more then people are getting now. One other thing how come the dumbocrats in congress fought putting them ( congress) into SS ? WHY?

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16redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

Why won't the dumbocrats talk about cutting welfare? Maybe because they are afraid of losing their biggest voting block. After all welfare is the biggest and cost the most entitlement plan going. If Obammy wants to tax the rich then he must cut welfare too. All they want to do is SPEND!.

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17thinkthentalk(269 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

JS. When Obama says that he will not raise taxes on those that make less than $250k, what part of that do you not understand?
To put it more clearly. If you are a working man that gets a paycheck for your work, and you make less than $250k/year, your taxes will not be raised.

Now tell me. Where and when did Obama say that his goal is to TAX ALL OF THE WEALTH TO THE LIMIT! Is that something that you just made up? Is that something that Hannity said and you believe it?

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18ytownsteelman(631 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

OK stewie, Social Security and Medicare ARE entitlements! There are two types of programs in the Federal govt., entitlements and discretionary. Entitlements are named such because the recipients are ENTITLED to the payments because they paid into the programs. If you want SS and medicare to NOT be entitlements then they would become discretionary, which means that congress has the DISCRETION each year to zero out that funding if they so choose. So are your really sure that is what you want? I think you are just the typical uninformed American who does not know what you are talking about.

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19ytownsteelman(631 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

Mcgill, so now Obama saved the steel industry too? Damn, he MUST be "our lord and savior" to be able to do all that he is credited with! To repeat what I said earlier, if you are in the bottom 47% who does not pay income taxes, you are by definition, NOT PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE! You are paying NO share but those at the lower end have a much greater likelihood of using government programs. Those at the upper end already pay their fair share and more.

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20ytownsteelman(631 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

BTW, can anyone please define what a "fair share" of taxes is? I have been asking this question for the past year and nobody has been able to give me a straightforward, quantifiable answer as to what the "fair share" of taxes is for each income level.

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21thinkthentalk(269 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

JS. I thought Mitt Romney justified that $1500 fine when he said this:

“It doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility,” he said.

So, you want to skate by with no health insurance, then show up at the emergency room when you need help. That would make you one of the "takers" in our society...

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22thinkthentalk(269 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

kinda like the pain from 8 years of Bush policies.

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23rjradmore(1 comment)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

If someone in this area could tell me what "Rich" is.I would appreciate it. The Unoin mentality that still exists in the area is amazing. When will you individuals understand that the "Rich" enable those of us who work to receive a pay check. We pay taxes so most of this area can get SSI,Food Stamps,Disability Payments and on and on.....Also section eight. I work hard, I own my home and I never asked the government for any help. The people around here do not ask for help, they expect it. Pretty sad.

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24redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

@RJ That is the best post so far, these people feel that they are entitled to all the FREE things in this valley that the feds can give them. Most probably have never worked a day in their adult lives. But they are good at spending others peoples money. don't you think

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25redeye1(4635 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

@ Ysteel man Obammy defines" RICH" as anyone who collects a paycheck. I hope this clears things up for you.LMAO

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26soylentgreen(11 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

I love you people, don't ever stop posting this is better than the Simpsons.

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27borylie(806 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

ytownsteelman,"fair share" is the taxes needed at the time to feed the beast. For example the democrats/liberals now consider $250,000.00 and higher to be "rich". In three years when the beast needs to be fed again the "rich" may be $175,000.00 and all those above. These people will be asked to pay their "fair share". Then three more years,well I think you can see what I'm getting at here. It's a moving number that until all the workers,investors and job creators pay their "fair share" that there's no motivation to perform and we all become wards of the federal government.
Not to far into the future I can see the ruling class(government),the elite(Streisand,Clooney,JayZ and George Soros) and the common people(us). Now for all of you that post here,ask yourself,geez what class will I be in?

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28andersonathan(669 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

it is called flat tax then no income tax very little tax code just get taxed as you buy. Then 100% will pay taxes as they consume.

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29iBuck(225 comments)posted 1 year, 12 months ago

Yah, they should call themselves Envious Under-Achievers for Increased Government Extortion, and in a time and place of truth in advertising they would.

Government extortion is UNFAIR. Back when the socialists (it was part of their platform/program going back to the mid-1800s) foisted the federal income extortion on our parents and grand-parents back in 1912, they promised up and down that only those with the very highest incomes would be affected at all, and then they promised that the top rate would never reach 9%.

To enter the first bracket subject to the income extortion scheme, you had to earn 150% of the median, at which point you'd be extorted at the rate of 1%.

At 10 times the median your earnings above that would be extorted at the rate of 2%.

A while back I posted the old form from the Library of Congress (I recall a friend having gotten ahold of a copy of it and posted it around the university bulletin boards and such, so I looked it up), and worked out the brackets as denominated back then and adjusted for inflation since:
http://www.kermitrose.com/jgoEconData...

"Rich" has always been found in academic surveys of the public to mean "a little more than what I make"; in this, the 3rd month of the 4th quarter of the 13th year of the GHWBush-Clinton-Shrub-Obummer economic depression, it wouldn't require much for me to classify someone as "rich" on that basis.

When the Dems had the majority when Carter was in office, when the Dem's were the majority in Congress back when Bush was still in office, when the Dems and when the Reps had the majority when Clinton was in office, when the Reps were the majority when Reagan was in office, they couldn't agree to cut the excessive federal government spending because there were too many leftists and RINOs and neo-cons and other big-government leftists in Republican clothing, willing, even eager to keep on keeping on as long as they could get away with the con schemes, even long after all of the congress-critters were aware that they were con schemes and the media were aware and the vast majority of the public had become aware that they were con schemes. Politicians of every stripe have been addicted to giving out promises of goodies, regardless of whether the public's productivity could support the promised pay-outs.

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30jojuggie(1413 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

The only reason that BHO wants to raise taxes, on the rich, is to reward more of the 47%'s to increase their rolls to 55%.
He certainly will not decrease our national debt with the additional taxes.
FIGHT HIM JOHN.

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31jojuggie(1413 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

Why do they always say "tax the Rich?"

Why doesn't BHO say "tax the successful?"

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32slappysmith(55 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

i love reading the comments from the conservative nincompoops on this papers comment section. its hard to believe you can find that many stupid people living in one area. most with no jobs, no health care and no money fighting tooth and nail to protect the people who get richer every day while the rest of us become poorer. brainwashed fools who have convinced themselves they are not in the 47% Mitt Romney was talking about because they vote republican.

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33mjnovaksr(95 comments)posted 1 year, 11 months ago

As I read this article and many of the comments related to it I begin to understand why this valley has sunk so very low over the past 30 years. During bad economic times the prudent person conserves their resources by cutting spending everywhere that is non-essential in order to survive until times get better. They know that spending more than you earn (note: EARN) is a recipe for failure! Successful businesses do the same if they wish to survive and prosper. Obama wishes to destroy America by spreading our wealth and resources around the world and to divide our country along racial, religious, and economic lines and he has so far been very successful at it. During the past four years the only thing growing in America has been our Federal government. When Obama talks about taxing the rich he really means all of us, but some are too stupid to realize it. Obama doesn't want compromise! He has spent the last 5 years campaigning and continues today! Obama doesn't have to seek compromise because he wants ALL tax rates to rise because he knows he cannot continue spreading your wealth to the world and to his political supporters unless they do. He also knows that he really doesn't need tax increases at all, since Bernanke and the Fed will cover his back by "quantative easing" ie PRINTING MONEY!!! Either way Obama wins! That is why he couldn't care less if a deal is struck or we go off the so-called "fiscal cliff". In truth, we've long ago gone over that cliff and are rapidly approaching the rocky bottom! But guess who loses - we, the taxpayers of this soon to be extinct Constitutional Republic! Obama will continue to play golf every week, take numerous high cost vacations around the world, and four years from now America will be poorer, less able to defend itself, and closer to civil war. He will have succeeded; and we all will have failed! God help the United States of America!

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