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Get teachers away from testing

Published: Tue, April 17, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

Get teachers away from testing

Are state proficiencies fool- ing parents and taxpayers?

Having the schools responsible to administer, collect and turn in tests to grading centers is naive.

The state proficiency test should include handwritten words or numbers. The writing skills can be seen and read, and it also avoids just guessing a block to fill in. And changing hand-written answers is harder to forge, if that is happening.

Tests should be UPS delivered just prior to testing. Each test should be different in question order or wording, but basically the same. The grading could be done away from tested schools.

A better way is transporting fifth-, eighth-, 11th- and 12th-grade students to a large local library. Have teachers present for safety and discipline but not involved in testing. The tests would be mailed from the library to a grading center.

Ray Carroll, Diamond


1SAVEOURCOUNTRY(469 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The state OGT tests require students to write responses to questions in for all parts of the test. They are sent out of state to be graded. Teachers and counselors only past it (the test) and collect it. They never see it again until test scores are returned several months later.
Tests are delivered several days before testing is to begin and returned directly after the test is complete. The is not a teacher or counselor in this area I know willing to reisk losing a job over foolishness you speak.
The joke is the written potion is graded by "Joe the walmart worker" for 7.50 an hour. Not even by a panel of educators.

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21loaf(100 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The problem is we have a lack of educators in our schools today. Babysitters are not up to the task.

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3Education_Voter(851 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Don't you live in Florida now? Worry about your own state, trust me, they would love to have the "problems" Ohio has.
Anyway, I don't think there are large numbers of cheaters, but Psyker is right about discouraging it. It is simple.

1. Audit a percentage of the tests by having those students only, retake in a different setting on a different day.

2. There are already multiple test versions in a class. There are already essay and fill in answers. The test booklets already come to the teacher shrink wrapped, and she breaks the seal the day of the test.
The teacher's version has no questions or items in it, only general directions to be read aloud to the students.
Everything is collected immediately after the test.
3. The state is already paying billions for these tests and their grading by a company. Pay a little more for an observer in each school.
4. Best of all: forget the whole stupid idea and go back to the teacher evaluating the kids, throwing in an occasional normed achievement test at the BEGINNING of the year, so that the teacher can help the students.
The current tests are given at the end of the year, and students do not get results for months, a lifetime to little children. These tests are not meant to help anyone.

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41loaf(100 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago


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5lajoci(200 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Testing never was about improving schools or achieving educational excellence through reform. It was simply a way for politicians to USE schools as a political football, as well as to create a convenient dilemma for voters every time they go to the polls.

Don't you see the perfect Catch-22 that testing sets up?

It goes like this: If, as the evidence from testing shows, the schools are doing the job and kids are achieving, why should I vote for any levy, since they're getting the job done with what they have? If schools are achieving success, better leave well-enough alone and vote "No!" on those pesky levies.

On the other hand, if the schools are failing, according to the evidence gathered from testing, why should I vote for a levy, since that would be, in effect, throwing good money after bad? Sure they have problems, as evidenced by poor test scores, but I won't allow them to throw more of my money at the problem. My "No!" vote will, hopefully, send them the message that they'd better get their house in order if they expect me to favor increased funding.

Thus, a perfect Catch-22!

Joseph Heller would be proud!

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