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There has to be a better way than fracking to save economy

Published: Wed, April 11, 2012 @ 12:00 a.m.

There has to be a better way than fracking to save economy

As a resident of the Mahon- ing Valley, I am trying to understand how hydraulic fracturing is critical to our energy needs and necessary to improve our economy.

From what I can gather, hydraulic fracturing is a process that inseminates the earth with 2 million to 6 million gallons of toxic fluid per well, including radioactive tracers and other additives such as hydrochloric acid and arsenic to fracture rock and to release the natural gas in it.

Because the drilling of these wells is allowed within less than 300 feet of rivers and streams and 500 feet of drinking water reservoirs, hydraulic fracturing threatens to infect our drinking water with the same toxins used to fracture rock. The cement and steel casing they use to contain the toxic fluids are not built to withstand the massive pressure of the fluids, which may result in leaks and infiltrate the groundwater. If the groundwater becomes polluted, the land is contaminated.

Moreover, the danger of air emissions from the natural gas itself or its combustion can create neurological problems, birth defects and cancer. Additionally, the disposal of used fracking fluid is just as dangerous, as we can see from the numerous earthquakes we have had in the Mahoning Valley this last year.

Yet we continue to allow Pennsylvania to deposit its waste fluid in Ohio for an additional 20 cents a barrel. Though Gov. Kasich wishes to increase the price to bring in higher revenue, there is no price high enough to alleviate the damage it is doing to our land.

Why is it that we of the Mahoning Valley are so willing to sell ourselves and our land to corporations that have no sense of loyalty to anything but the profit margin? Are we so beaten down as a people that we are willing to destroy our land, water and air because it is the only way we can think to make a living? Are we so easily deceived by the corporations that have deceived us before that we are willing to sell our bodies and our land to provide money in their bank accounts?

We need to find another way. Anybody out there know of a better way?

Diana Shaheen, Boardman


1UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Sounds like an entitlted person with no land, drives an oil guzzler, not a bike or horse like the Amish. Heats her house with NG (not cow dung) and loves the $2 price while the rest of the world is at $15. Has no solution but to whine on a soap box for attention.

For me? I want to see your City which YOU have turned into a Mexico City, prosper again like when your forebears lived the American dream by getting off their butts and working rather than taking a handout. It is because of FRACKING that we now have $2 gas fool.

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2Think121(51 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

This writer is right on the mark. Why Ohio didn't look at the complete devastation in other states before allowing this industry to destroy practically the entire state is beyond me. New York has yet to allow new permits and are awaiting a complete assessment prior to making any decision to move forward. Why doesn't Ohio deserve that? You do deserve it. It's just that your political leaders are so taken with the immense campaign donations that they put the people of Ohio second to their own desires. No good can come from this now. Perhaps some day they will find a safer way to extract the gas and oil, but it's most certainly not now. Kudos to the writer for speaking up.

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3frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

New waterless fracking method avoids pollution problems but drillers are slow to embrace it.
The amount of life sustaining water being sold to assuage the fracking industry is astronomical. The following excerpts > amount of water taken from one river by one company. This fresh water will be rendered unusable waste water, laced with deadly fracking chemicals, lethal radioactive elements and toxic heavy metals. This water can never be used again.
Aqua-PVR LLC has two additional water-withdrawal stations planned along the same stretch of the Susquehanna river. It's estimated each station would withdraw up to 3,000,000 gallons of water PER DAY. With 3 stations, this totals approx. 9,000,000 gallons per day - 7 days a week.
See link below
Last Oasis Documentary Trailer concerning the water crisis we are facing due to fracking. Coming to the big screen in May 2012
VIA Earthjustice
"Did you know that in Pennsylvania, it's against the law for doctors to tell their patients about the health impacts of fracking flluids - even those that may have been exposed to the hazardous chemicals? According to a new law that’s been deemed a gag rule by its detractors, doctors in Pennsylvania are allowed to see information about fracking chemicals—unlike the general public— but they can’t share any of that information with their patients. The new provision, which was quietly slipped in near the end of the debate about the law, is just another in a long line of favors given to the oil and gas drilling industry over the past few years."


A paid anti fracking advertisement that is set to air Monday on KDKA radio (Pittsburgh) it focuses on the negative side effects of House Bill 1950, which Gov. Tom Corbett signed into law last month. You can listen to it at the link below.

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4frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I contacted Erin Brockovich to see if she could help us out of the predicament we have been placed in. Julia Roberts played the part of Erin, in a movie some years ago. Erin has helped many people whose lives and environment have been shattered by the negligible practices of toxic industries. She now has her own legal firm.
Hello Erin,
I live in PA and the newest heinous bills to have been signed into law are HB1950 and SB1100. Because of this, Marcellus Hydraulic Shale fracturing (fracking) can be done across the state in all zones (including residential) fracking wells can be set up within 300 ft. of homes, schools, playgrounds ect. The law has also tied the hands of Pennsylvania`s Physicians, who are not allowed to let anyone know that they are treating patients who have been made ill from the lethal radioactive and chemical waste. The list of fracking chemicals will be made available to our health care professionals, so that they can better treat their patients, however they will not be able to disclose the contents to the public and cannot therefore warn people of a health epidemic resulting from fracking. The fracking industry is laying our land and it`s people health to waste. They are using and contaminating millions upon millions of gallons of our water supply to operate a fundamentally dangerous business that has already made people direly ill. Due to the lax environmental protections in PA regarding contaminated water, many people have continued to drink their water because they were told it was safe to do so. There have been reported deaths directly linked to the chemical and radiation exposure. I would like to see everyone involved in this practice to be held criminally accountable. They are knowingly and intentionally poisoning us, so that they can make a fortune, while leaving our state, a veritable radioactive melt down zone. This is a heinous thing to do to the people of a commonwealth. I want to see every one who voted for this held accountable including our Governor who allowed the gas industry to write the bills that were made into law. I want those who are selling and leasing our sources of water to be brought to justice, along with the entire gas industry. From what I understand there have been some settlements paid to people who have been effected, but as part of the settlement agreement, these people are not allowed to disclose any connection of their illnesses with the fracking industries toxic waste. This whole industry has to be completely shut down, I don`t begin to know how to accomplish this, but it seems to me that we have a criminal case here as well as an environmental one. Mal fracking practices? Recklessly endangering a populace.

Thanks so much for your time,

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5frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Erin Brockovich`s response to the above email that I sent to her.
Mar 22

To me
Dear ..........

Thank you for your email enquiry. I appreciate that you have taken the time to contact me. I am always amazed and humbled at the number of enquiries I receive from around the globe from people just like you who need my help or want some simple advice on how they may move forward in helping themselves. I take this responsibility very seriously, so it's important to ensure I take the time to review the many enquiries I receive each week.

Thank you again and I will consider and reply to your enquiry as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely

Erin Brockovich

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6Youngstown458(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Nonrenewable energy means nonrenewable jobs. Youngstown wonders why all of the youth are leaving--it's because Youngstown obviously doesn't care about it’s children’s future or the health of future generations. Youngstown is the laughing stock of the state—it will sacrificae anything for money—even the health of its children.

Fracking companies are using my hometown, buying off and using my family, destroying the trees, and for many citizens, the water they drink. It has left women and farmland infertile.

I'm sick of my hometown selling off my future and the lives of future generations for money. People are raising money and not children. Fracking isn't good for Youngstown--the people who make money off of it will leave and take their money with them, leaving the rest of us with the injection wells (not to mention PA's fracking waste). We need better regulation, and ultimately, we need renewable energy. Youngstown--when do we stop hurting ourselves and our future?

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7frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Peacelover, I`d be happy to send an update. Here is a link about EB`s latest battle.
"She was the struggling single mother who became an accidental hero, but Erin Brockovich is still fighting, and now her sights are set on Australia."

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8sapsucker3(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Dear frackersfield, We need you in our fracktivist group. Please contact Judy : gostbear1@aol.com

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9jrbsunrise(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Your letter is beautifully written, accurate and expresses what everyone should be considering: short-term gains for a few; long-term problems for many. Your thoughts are much appreciated and essential, especially with so many people and opinion-makers like this newspaper wanting to jump on BP's bandwagon, singing rousing choruses of "Fracking Days are Here Again" (to the tune of "Happy Days are Here Again).

Ron Barron

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10DwightK(1250 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The reward is worth the risk. The Mahoning Valley has been an economic backwater since 1978. If there were another way to grow the economy we would have found it by now. No other opportunity has the potential to be as rewarding as the natural gas boom.

We need to make sure all regulations are being followed and make sure the regulations in place are sufficient. To have prosperity we are going to have to accept a little risk. I'm tired of this area having little opportunity. I want it to grow and I want our people to live prosperous lives.

Bring on the wells.

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11walter_sobchak(1891 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

We have not one horizontal fracking well in Youngstown and exactly one well in all of Mahoning County and it has not been in operation that long. Now, we have one new pipe mill in Youngstown/Girard that is worth over $600M and will employ about 450 production workers and has provided many hours of employment for labor. We will next get a plant on Salts Springs Rd. that will make compressors for the gas industry. Monaca, Pa. will be getting a $2B ethane cracker plant within 5 years. Hanoverton will be getting a gas compression and transmission facility within a couple of years along with miles of new underground pipe.

Drill, baby, drill. We have the resource and the means to extract it safely with very small risk. I drive a car and it is risky, especially in Y-town where stop signs and red lights are mere suggestions. I fly in planes and it is risky but I can get to far away places quickly and inexpensively. Trucks drive over various routes over Meander Reservoir and there is risk that one could spill its contents into the water. The chances of groundwater contamination from an underground drilling process is very minimal. Accidental spills and surface problems are more likely but much simpler to prevent and control. The letter writer is merely being Chicken Little.

If you disagree with this drilling, shut of your natural gas, propane, and gasoline engines. These are mostly fossil fuels that come from the ground and we have the technology to get them.

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12frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Dear Sapsucker3 ....Is the group on FB? I can`t seem to configure outlook on my PC, so I can`t send Judy a message via gostbear1@aol.com
Is there a twitter I can follow?
My name is Devon

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13jennrobynneal(4 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

letstryagain, i've got a gallon of water for your drinking pleasure. there's a small amount of my pee in it. but the rest is just plain water. that's ok though, right?
dwightk, i appreciate where you are coming from... however, please speak for yourself. also, there have been NO regulations if you've been paying attention since the patriot act and beyond so what regulations do you speak of?

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14zorrogirl(12 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Sad thing is that there won't even be as many jobs as they claim. In PA, only about 4,100 oil and gas jobs after 4 years of drilling. Sure there has been some peripheral jobs created, but their unemployment rate has only been slightly less than OH's. What does that tell you? It's all a big lie. Ask yourself this, if a job could cause your kid to have cancer or die, would it be worth taking? Something to think about.

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15UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Funny, all the landowners and homeowners with even an inch of ground are leasing like wild fire, the silent majority says we're with BIG OIL, deal with it. What ?, four protesters at the BP signing and none of them were from Youngstown. The fool fractivist are little fleas in the perspective of things, BIG energy is pumping billions into this area and, it is all the money coming in from the consumer, yes, the fractivist too, the hypocrites.

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16waterlover(2 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Fracking is a wasteful and destructive process.Using as much fresh water to Frack One well one time as a family of 4 will use in 50.2 years. Rather than coming up with new and better ways to make energy the industry chooses to focus on these exploitive processes. There is no way this would be cost effective if they had to abide by the same rules as every other business.

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17p15828(7 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Devon/frackersfield, here's the twitter - @frackfree Please follow & we'll message u that way. Sapsucker3/gostbear1@aol.com and I are in same group.

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18UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey Fractivist! Gasoline is a little cheaper at the truck stop, you can fill up your combustion engines a little cheaper as you head over to protest BP in Trumbull. Also, us Frackers again have hit paydirt so now your heating gas bill is cheaper. Keep sucking up energy so we have revenue coming in.

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19jennrobynneal(4 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I love how the fact that you are currently driving a gas powered vehicle seems to nullify that you want to focus on renewable energy and means that you stay at a standstill. oh wait. it doesn't. that's small mind thinking there, not the kind of thinking that solves problems and makes better futures (and decent, stable, clean jobs) for our kids.

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20UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes! we have a live one here. Jenny, Jenny, the small mind thinking is in your corner. A small mind which thinks that science exist today to replace all our energy consumption with Solyndra devices? A small mind that whines that thinking, rather than leading and doing, will provide a future of clean jobs.

You need to snap out of it and tell your children the truth YOU and ALL of US SUCK up ENERGY wherein gasoline is approaching $5 , because WE use so much of it. YOU need to tell your offspring the truth that FRACKING has reduced your heating bill wherein it is the cheapest in the world. Finally, Ms. Genius, lead us by example, discuss:

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21frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

UticaShale check out the radioactive fracking map. The review revealed that levels of radium, uranium or other radioactive elements in 116 gas wells were 100 times higher than federal drinking water standards, and in 15 wells, 1000 times higher (see Map). The findings confirm and extend those made from radioactivity data from the limited testing done in New York.

This one is an interactive map http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20...

Next comment I send will include a link where you can educate yourself about the known chemicals that are used in fracking and their effect on the human body.

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22UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey Frackerface, you do not want to debate me on Nuclear science my friend, 25 years ago I held a top secret and secret clearance in the defense industry. This is what kills me about my observation about your City, punks like you who aren't smart enough to know that they don't know. If you want honest debate little man, meet me at Gomarcellusshale.com and you take off you mask and I take off mine, man up bro. Frack water formula please, I'll leave it to our college kids at GoMarcelluss, they'll laugh at your entitled kind. BTW, GMS is where the big boys debate,thousands more HITS than this little neighborhood paper, remember the silent majority are watching you and your ilk.

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23frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

UticaShale> What great timing, we have an economy on the verge of complete collapse and an industry that can bring some hazardous temporary jobs to a few.
You can educate yourself at the link below about the known chemicals that are used in fracking and their effect on the human body. Keep on scrolling:)

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241loaf(100 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Not to worry. Buckwheat will save us all. The thing to worry about is if he and Timmy realize how much loose change can fall off the table and into their pockets. If they come to the conclusion that fracking is better for them and their cronies they'll jump the fence so fast their shadows will still be on the side they left. All hail the "What is good for me is good for everyone attitude" of the political hacks someone keeps rehiring.

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25frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Lets Talk About Those Chemicals!
So poisonous that one drop pollutes thousands of gallons of water
EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
10 ppm (parts per million) or
1 drop per 4 gallons

So poisonous that one drop pollutes thousands of gallons of water
EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
1 ppm (parts per million) or
1 drop per 40 gallons

So poisonous that one drop pollutes thousands of gallons of water
EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
.07 ppm (parts per million) {not even one drop} or
1 drop per 572 gallons

So poisonous that one drop pollutes thousands of gallons of water
EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
.01 ppm (parts per million), not even one part per million! or
1 drop per 4,000 gallons

* So poisonous that one drop pollutes thousands of gallons of water
* EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
.005 ppm (parts per million) or 5 ppb (parts per billion) or
1 drop per 8,000 gallons
EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
Don't know, this must be a mix of some stuff?

EPA Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL's) acceptable in drinking water..
Don't know, this must be a mix of some stuff?

Oral: 143 mg/kg is the toxicological level for humans
Inhalation; 300 ppm is the toxicological level for humans

Hydrochloric Acid
5 ppm is the exposure level

1,000 ppm is the exposure level

impairs and damages the CNS
Up to 154 hazardous contaminants used in hydro fracking in the state of NM
Up to 85 hazardous chemicals used in hydro fracking in the state of PA

Records show that formaldehyde, a human carcinogen, benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene, acids, arsenic, and pesticides that are toxic to wildlife, aquatic life, domestic animals and humans are added to the fracking fluid

1 ppm = roughly 1 drop of the substance per 40 gallons of water

EPA Drinking Water Contaminants - Lists of drinking water contaminants.

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26frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Lets Talk About Those Extracted Elements & Compounds!
* On average, 1 pound of salt per gallon is collected from reclaimed fracking fluid

Hard Minerals
* Minerals so high in concentrate that well water is no longer drinkable

Radium 226
* On average, the levels of Radium 226 are 267x greater than the lethal exposure limit to humans

* Naturally decomposing radioactive element lethal to humans in high doses

* Everyone knows uranium is a no no when it comes to your health!

Thorium * exposure causes bone cancer

* The migration of methane to wells due to pressure changes ruin well water and contamiates it beyond reclamation
50 pph (parts per hundred) over a 2 hour period

Extracted fluids after fracking process
Highly toxic,
At least 65 - 85 chemicals are toxic to humans
The majority of the chemicals are not biodegradable
Upwards of 80% of the fluid remains in the ground
Must be stored in a containment pond, which leak and are unprotected from the environment except for a supposed impermeable liner
The migration of methane to wells due to pressure changes ruin well water and contamiates it beyond reclamation
50 pph (parts per hundred) over a 2 hour period

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27frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Posting the link again it didn`t work before.

UticaShale> What great timing, we have an economy on the verge of complete collapse and an industry that can bring some hazardous temporary jobs to a few.
You can educate yourself at the link below about the known chemicals that are used in fracking and their effect on the human body. Keep on scrolling:)

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281loaf(100 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I love the way people can surf the web and find a link to something they feel proves their point. If I had the time I'd prove Sasquach exists and the world is really flat contrary to the president's attempt at comedy the other night.

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29frackersfield(11 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey loaf actually this is an accurate list of chemicals in fracking fluid and radioactive elements in the back water. I took the time to read up on each one to see how they effect on the human body. And have generously sent you to a link where another has done the same investigation so there you have it.You are free to proceed with caution or leap into a fracking backwater pit laced with this lethal concoction.

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30walter_sobchak(1891 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Great list and I just want to congrat... hey, wait a minute, ethanol is listed as a poisonous chemical. But, that is the active ingredient in Jack Daniels Fine Tennessee Whisky and Sam Adams beer. Forget it!

Please, go away. You fear mongers crack me up. Many of the chemicals you list are present in everyday products used in the home. Not to mention, many of the chemicals you list will be produced under any drilling circumstance and in mining. This drilling has risks and these risks must be minimized but it can be relatively safe. The economic benefit that it has to offer the region is tremendous and it must be taken advantage of now.

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31UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The liberals are already being steamrolled over by the onslaught of the free enterprise machine. Word is already out that those entitled who oppose fracking will soon have their privilege of using NG and fuel be taken away from them. They soon wiil be heating their homes with firewood after they denude the forest and, will be reduced to riding bicycles. Not even the Amish will pick them up with their buggies.

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32frackbabyfrack(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I wanted to jump on here and point out a few things. If fracking "causes earthquakes" what happened in Japan? No Fracking, Indonesia, No Fracking, Mexico, No Fracking.

"God" gives us the knowledge (some brains), The resources (gas and oil) to sustain this life. Some things are hazardous, YES, but if done correctly, fracking is so deep and so efficient it SHOULD not cause any problems.

Do you know how your food is processed?? With chemicals you can't inhale, BUT you eat the food!! Read a can of "pam" don't inhale, but you spray and cook with it. Everything has good and bad sides.

Do you want to continue to buy gas and oil from the people that want to kill us. Give them the money to blow up our planes????


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33Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"If fracking "causes earthquakes" what happened in Japan? No Fracking, Indonesia, No Fracking, Mexico, No Fracking."

- - -LOL. You have underestimated the thinking abilities of the people of this area. I know its hard to believe but you have done it.

"Do you want to continue to buy gas and oil from the people that want to kill us. Give them the money to blow up our planes????" - - - -If sellers wanted to kill us and were successful who would they sell to?They want $.

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34natureman(66 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Perhaps if local leaders years ago had foresight the Mahoning River would not be in the condition it is currently. The environment should be our top priority and we should consider the future of our area.

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35juanita1944(34 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Why does it look like the ones for the fracking are double talking........I live in parkwood just a mile from the center of girard..............I go shopping in girard and saw something that amazed me...........I saw buses full of guys that were taken to the mills and the gas well........are these our neighbors working? I don't think so......they come from out of town...when they are done with the good jobs our people can use.......what then?? They leave right on to another town to take jobs from locals...at a another town where are the jobs for our people?why are there still families losing their homes and income?why do their children get bullied cause their parents can't afford good shoes or clothes.............there will be no jobs for our people... You know this and so do I........remember I saw buses loaded with men to put in the plant in briar hill.....why are we paying for our lives and our children's lives by poisoning them..........I now have lymphoma cancer...........I'll be cured ,,, but why did I get the cancer now?I have it in my throat....could it be the water I drink? The air I breathe......I'm one mile from the quake fracking well......is it them or nature...........how do I tell?...I'm hoping god said it was my time......but wait a minute why would god give it to me now......have I drank bad water? I'll never know..........but why take the chance with our children........Youngstown will grow or fall on it's own....it's lifes way.......but the fracking is not normal.......remember Britain tried to kill us off long ago.............maybe this is a new way to do it........keep your guns handy people............we pledged to protect our land before............lets kick them out of America again........hugs to you all.....and have a better life without the deadly sin of greed......god bless the children so they don't suffer...

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36slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

all the pea brained ignoramus's spouting off the joy and opening of doors to a new wonderful life are the prototypical simpletons that make the mahoning valley one of the biggest jokes in the country. its dog patch without the patch. or the dog......

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37UticaShale(853 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Slappy, natureman and juanita,

How do you heat your homes and what powers your automobile? Do you have an available alternative energy source right now, show me?

Yeah, I thought so, all talk as you all suck up energy wantonly. Lead, follow or get out of the way. BTW, Juanita, we have to bus workers in, cause you entitled takers don't want to work. Welfare is easier.

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38ytownsteelman(627 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Some of those fracking chemicals listed I can purchase at the local hardware store. I use Xylene to clean my paint brushes. Ethanol is in the gas I put in my car.

Well casings not designed for the pressure? WTF??? So you now want to insult engineers too?

Why are out of towners being bused in to work at V&M? Well its because we have had so little activity going on around here for so long that Youngstowners lost the skills needed to build a steel mill. That is because there was no opportunity here. But that is exactly what the protesters want, to return to the Youngstown of no jobs and no opportunity and no reason to train people to do anything other than game the welfare system and pimp their rides.

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39zz3(931 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The unemployment in this area is always going to be terrible because the people in this area voted down in the past, tangible and long term ways to make money"Casinos" being the biggest jump start that would have lured people/business/transportation and many other trickle down opportunities to this area. We always want something easy, THE STEEL MILL ERA IS GONE. You have to actually think now how to attract businesses to the area!!Remember Eastwood Baseball Field in Niles everybody was against that even one commissioner, he said that field will be here when pigs fly QUOTE! Thank god pigs flew because they now have a very revenue making and entertainment complex that has had to positively impact business in that area. People and politicians bring business here that will not harm us for a short term buck! Work at bringing technology, entertainment venues, etc, and GIVE them all the prime useless land left over from the heyday and get them here!!! If it sounds too easy look it over. Will it help or just slow down the bleeding for a short time?

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40mrdavey(10 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jennifer................if we drink your piss, we shall all die of herpes. Shut up and get out and take your fat ass with you.

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