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Meeting on Mathews/Sheridan roundabout set April 19



Published: Wed, April 11, 2012 @ 12:06 a.m.

By Ashley Luthern

aluthern@vindy.com

BOARDMAN

A public meeting on a long-planned roundabout at Mathews and Sheridan roads will be next Thursday.

The Mahoning County Engineer’s Office is sponsoring the event, which will allow residents to ask offi- cials questions from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. April 19 at Heritage Presbyterian Church, 1951 Mathews Road.

A presentation will begin at 5:20 p.m. to explain the circular traffic pattern that will take the place of the traffic light.

“This is the first roundabout in Mahoning County. When it’s the first one in a region, I like to explain what it is, how it will be constructed and how they operate,” said Rob Donham, a county traffic engineer.

The roundabout will have one lane in the circle and a 100-foot diameter, which forces cars to slow down to about 20 mph, he said.

The first part of design for the $1.1 million project is completed, and construction is set to begin in June 2013. The roundabout is being paid for entirely through the Federal Highway Administration’s Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality program, Donham said.

“We were able to secure 100 percent funding. Because it’s a roundabout and eliminates congestion, it makes you eligible for that funding,” he said.

Donham said initially the county considered a turning lane, but that approach would have cost more money and used more of the right-of-way.

“It would have pushed the street right up residents’ doorways on Mathews Road” if a turn lane were constructed, and the county only would have had access to matching grants from the federal government, he said.

The corridor of Mathews Road from South Avenue to Sheridan Road had 128 accidents from 2003 to 2005, most occurring at South Avenue, according to a traffic study.

From 2005 to 2007, 23 crashes were reported at the Mathews-Sheridan intersection, according to the Eastgate Regional Council of Governments website. Annual crash data are supplied to Eastgate by the Ohio Department of Public Safety.

Boardman Township Trustee Thomas Costello said he was glad the county scheduled a public meeting.

“A lot of residents have expressed interest and concerns about this project,” he said.

Anyone who wants to make a written statement about the project can submit it at the public meeting or send it to the Mahoning County Engineer’s Office via mail, email or fax.


Comments

1dennycrain(22 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

This is one helluva dumbass idea! It almost matches the assinine dead ending of Woodworth Road at a STOP SIGN onto Market Street! Identitfy the idiotic morons who have created these two stupid ideas!! And yes, my name is Rick Berger! hahahahalolololol!!!!

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2tadigiacomo(15 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

And why is this an idiotic idea? Modern Roundabouts work very well. They are all over Franklin county. If they modified that intersection to be a larger traditional intersection at a greater expense people would be complaining about that. Not only is it 100% funded, it's less expensive. I have one 600-700 feet from my driveway on a street that sees as much if not more traffic than Mathews road, and there's one a mile or so down from that. In the morning traffic would be backed up past my driveway. It now flows freely and you get to and through the intersection much more quickly. They take getting used to and challenge conventional driving principles but they do work well. People here, especially older folks, didn't buy into them initially and thought they'd never work. They do work, and they work well. The only issue I see with the one they're proposing for Mathews and Sheridan is that it is only one lane, but they probably don't have the room for at that intersection.

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3UrbanBuckeye(17 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

This sounds like a wonderful idea. I was skeptical at first, but if any of you naysayers have traveled outside of the smelling distance of the Mahoning River, you'd have had an occasion to drive through a roundabout. They ease traffic congestion, reduce idling time and improve air quality. Open your minds to something new and we can all breathe easier.

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4UrbanBuckeye(17 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Look kids!!! Big Ben, Parliament!!

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5DwightK(1256 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Roundabouts work. The last thing this area needs is another traffic light and left hand turn lane.

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6olddude(201 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Roundabouts do work.. Believe me when I tell ya and would work well for this intersection..Here is the problem I have..1.1 mil...come on.. Some of you taxpayers look at the plans.. If you dont or cant..Wait for the finished product then ask yourselves.. Could this really have cost 1.1 mil. to build?...Once again our hard paying federal taxes (OR DEBT ) at work...

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7TOP_E(6 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

denny, NoBs. Im not a rocket scientist, but i am an engineer. The roundabout has more benefits to it than you are aware. If you google "Roundabouts FHWA". The federal highway administration has very good information on this, as well as the supporting research. Please read and im sure your well taken concerns will be satisfied.
1. Question of large vehicles. The circle is more visual, not insurmountable. It is a rolled curb that can be driven over by larger vehicles such as trucks and fire trucks. They are able to get through and make turns.
2. There is a safety issue. This intersection has a higher amount of accidents than normal. Roundabouts are proven to improve the safety of an intersection.

3. The engineers at ODOT did a good job at Rt 7/Western Reserve/Woodworth Rd. I used to come through there and traffic was backed up to Glenwwod ave. Now, it seems to operate significantly better, like a normal intersection with a few cars waiting. The difference is that the signal now has only two cycles for two routes, instead of the additional one for Woodworth rd.

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8TOP_E(6 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Im sorry NoBS. You mentioned cost also. The roundabout with more pavement surface area, may not be as more expensive than you think. While im not privy to the exact costs, placing new traffic signals at an intersection, "red lights", is in the $50k range. Then a perpetual cost of electricity and maintenance.

There is a cost/benefit amount that also would be attributed to people waiting less time at the intersection.

Again, a friend of mine in law enforcement once told me that this intersection seems to have a higher rate of running the red light type accidents. Ive learned over the years not to question the additional cost for safety. It might be me, you, my or your child/spouse/parent etc who is spared being in an accident.

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9UrbanBuckeye(17 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Stay on point??? The article publicizes a PUBLIC meeting were the uninformed can solicit information and offer comments. Those with questions should polish their social skills and venture out for an evening of interaction with humans. There will be a plethora of educated representatives that qualm the fears. You can learn that the new roadway will be placed in the existing right-of-way with no property acquisition. Also, you may learn that minimum lanes widths are actually 12 feet. Tip of the cap to Top.

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10UrbanBuckeye(17 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Round-a-bouts are the type of out of the box thinking the County Engineer needs to address traffic congestion. SR 11, Mill Creek and I-680 are created and natural obstacles to east west traffic on the 224 corridor. People using Mathews road will notice improved traffic flow. I hope the engineer examines using one at the west end of this street. And then Southern Boulevard could be returned to an actual boulevard a la Fairmont Blvd in Beachwood, Shaker and Celveland Heights.

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11VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Many counties, cities, and states have positive stats for roundabouts.Safety concerns...Total number of Crashes fall...Total number of Injuries decline......The underlying reason for fewer injuries is the reduction in high-speed collisions...when accidents do occur more likely fender-bender rather than a T-bone.

A roundabout uses circular lanes to carry traffic in the same direction.
Roundabouts slow traffic, but don’t halt it like a traffic signal or stop sign. They maintain traffic flow, which generally results in reduced fuel consumption and less air pollution.
Eliminating traffic lights also reduces electricity use, which can run $1,000 a year at some intersections. Good plan for many intersections throughout the county. Let it roll!

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12ScottRAB(11 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Modern roundabouts are the safest form of intersection in the world. Search www.iihs.org for FAQs and safety facts. The safety comes from the ‘slow and go’ operation instead of the ‘stop or go fast’ way a stop light works (or the ‘keep going fast’ large traffic circle fantasy). The smaller size of the modern roundabout is what makes them safer and keeps speeds in the 20 mph range. This makes it much easier to avoid a crash or stop for pedestrians. It also means that if a crash happens the likelihood of injury is very low. Safety is the #1 reason there are over 2,400 modern roundabouts in the US today and many more on the way.
Slow and go also means less delay than a stop light, especially the other 20 hours a day people aren’t driving to or from work. Average daily delay at a signal is around 12 seconds per car. At a modern roundabout average delay is less than five seconds. Signals take an hour of demand and restrict it to a half hour, at best only half the traffic gets to go at any one time. At a modern roundabout four drivers entering from four directions can all enter at the same time. Don’t try that with a signalized intersection.
Modern roundabouts are designed for trucks by the use of the truck apron near the center of the circular roadway. For very tight right turns, overrun areas are used or the trucks go around the center island first.

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13ScottRAB(11 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The first cost of any two choices is a poor way to compare. Life-cycle cost is the best (present value of future costs, a.k.a. net present value). When comparing modern roundabouts to signals for a 20-year life cycle (the standard period), modern roundabouts usually cost us much less. Costs to compare include: first cost (design/land/construction), operation and maintenance (electricity, re-striping, etc.), crash reduction, daily delay (what’s your time worth?), daily fuel consumption, pollution (generated), area insurance rates (this costs more where it is less safe to drive). Each of these things, and others, can be estimated for any two choices and everyone near or using the project area will pay some portion of all of these costs.

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14TOP_E(6 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Not a prob NoBs. Again, good questions. Its hard to explain in a minimal amount of words. Plus, i took the class a number of years ago, so im remembering as i go along. The inside circle is like a 5 ft tapered sidewalk, so, the outside wheels of the longer trucks will still be on the pavement, but the inside wheels of the middle axles will ride over the inside circular "sidewalk". Again, hard for me to verbalize, but this website seems to describe way better than me, a pictures worth 1000 words.
http:// safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/roundabouts/fhwasa10006/
Check it out, the visual descriptions are pretty good.

Im sure that the public meeting will have an aerial plan view showing how much, or really, how little the circle will encroach on the 4 quadrant propertys. It may surprise you.

Costs. I think Scott makes some valid points, and section 7 Costs on the web link makes some good validating points also.

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15TOP_E(6 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Western reserve and Market. Well, i came through today at about 5pm, and i guess i hit it right, got the green light at market and just about drove straight through. THEN, of course i got caught up in the gridlock at South ave/ I680..... But, i think they are working on that too....

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16TGWTG1209(5 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

There are much worse intersections in the area that need improvements. Salt Springs & Four-Mile Run in McDonald comes to mind (that one DESPERATELY needs a light or at the very least a 4-way stop. Also Mahoning Ave & Salt Springs, just south of downtown Warren, you got those three narrow (and I mean NARROW) train trestles to go under, with Salt Springs coming in from out of nowhere right in the middle of them.

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17thewave(38 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Will be interesting...the largest roundabout near the area is in the well-traveled Tallmadge suburb of Akron. Most roundabouts are in small towns like New Middletown and Middlefield, I feel a roundabout can possibly make the situation worse, since you're asking poor drivers to not stop and merge with oncoming traffic, which they might be even worse at.

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