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Obama denounces ‘radical’ Republican budget plan



Published: Tue, April 3, 2012 @ 1:12 p.m.

Obama denounces ‘radical’ Republican budget plan

WASHINGTON (AP) — In an election-year pitch to middle-class voters, President Barack Obama is denouncing a House Republican budget plan as a “Trojan horse,” warning that it represents “an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country” that would hurt the pocketbooks of working families. Obama, in a speech to newspaper executives, is sharply criticizing a $3.5 trillion budget proposal pushed by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., which passed on a near-party-line vote last week and has been embraced by GOP presidential hopefuls. The plan has faced fierce resistance from Democrats, who say it would gut Medicare, slash taxes for the wealthy and lead to deep cuts to crucial programs such as aid to college students and highway and rail projects.


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1redvert(2100 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

So let us just continue to spend money that we do not have. That is the socialist way isn't it?

" Socialism works until you run out of other people's money"

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2redeye1(4711 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

"An attempt to impose a radical vision on our country" just what hell has he done since being elected. He's given this country his radical view thats all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!

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3thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

WOW! What advances in satellite technology. Fox can transmit oreilly and hannity directly to the antennas on both of your tin foil hats.

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4300(562 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

So do you, or don't you want Socialism? You drag on about gas prices, but do you realize what you're asking? You want government interference into the market place.

You need to choose. Are you for free markets, or are you for regulated free markets (aka, socialism).

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5thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

The other day your birther buddy used referenced the other ism, communism. Evidently his transmission got garbled.

Funny how we cant blame the greed of whoever is profiting from the high price of gas. That would be socialism, i think...
Pocketbooks of working families (working class). Is that verbage in the Marxist agenda?

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6thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

???

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7thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

WE WANT THINGS PAID FOR! WE WANT TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH! WE WANT TO INVADE IRAN! (which would surely raise gas even higher). WE WANT TAX SUBSIDIES FOR THE OIL COMPANYS BECAUSE THEY DONT MAKE ENOUGH!
You dont know what you want...

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8thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

is it me, or did you not contradict yourself several times. Vote for Mitt, you two think alike.

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9redeye1(4711 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TTT The biggest kool-aid drinker of them all . Guess what, your welfare check isn't going to get any bigger if BO gets re-elected. If he stays in about 6 yrs you won't be collecting Social Security either because his so-call tax cut that everyone is enjoying right now is money that isn't going to that program too. I guess you feel that is brilliant One other thing I would rather be a birther then a KILLER like your party.

300cents Who's dragging about .gas prices?

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10jojuggie(1484 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

There goes ttt spouting off about the Fox News Channel again.
As I recall Juan Williams is a Democrat, as is Bob Beckel, and Alan Colmes. Also, Geraldo, another Democrat has his own program on Fox News.
ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE DEMOCRATS and are employed by Fox News.
Now, can you name the Repubcs employed by msnbc?
You should read Oreilly's latest book. Killing Lincoln. A fabulous read. Over 2 Mill copies sold.
Every night Oreilly has at least 2 Democrats on his program so his listeners can get both side of a story. By the way, Oreilly leads both cnn & msnbc with about 1 mill left over.
Stop watching msnbc. You're getting one side of a story. And forget about MoveOn.org. Soros is a has been.

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11peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

What cracks me up is that you right wingers are great at whining about the current state of affairs, yet I have yet to hear any of you offer any alternative solutions. With you guys it's all name calling and complaining.

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12jojuggie(1484 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey pl, ttt is the biggest name caller on this message board.

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13thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

its tuesday, storage wars is on tonight.

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14borylie(831 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

thinkthentalk,
As a liberal/democrat tell me what is a democrat? What is a democrat's goal? How do you reach this goal?
Can you really give me an answer without name calling and throwing out canards and red herrings? You like to spout off on just about every topic on here,who about a well thought answer to my questions.
Peacelover,you can also chime in,if your capable.

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15jojuggie(1484 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey ttt, it's about 10:30 PM & I'm still waiting for your answer to my question about how many Repubs are employed by msnbc?
I think I'll turn now. I await your answer, on this message board, sometime tomorrow. You have all night to think about it.
Goodnight.

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16thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Easy fellas. The Texas storage wars were new episodes. And i gotta get up at 5:30 to go to work.

dem·o·crat   /ˈdɛməˌkræt/ Show Spelled[dem-uh-krat] Show IPA
noun
1. an advocate of democracy.
2. a person who believes in the political or social equality of all people.
3. ( initial capital letter ) Politics .
a. a member of the Democratic party.
b. a member of the Democratic-Republican party.
4. Also called democrat wagon. a high, lightweight, horse-drawn wagon, usually having two seats.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1780–90; < French démocrate, back formation from démocratie democracy. See demo-, -crat

Goal. (as a noun) Get the candidate that you feel best represents you and your values elected.
How to reach goal. Vote.

juggle. Michael Steele, the prior rep party national chairman, Steven Shultz, McCains manager. Joe Scarborough, R.Fla.

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17borylie(831 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

thinkthentalk,
So your goal in life and also for your children is to be equal to all people? You don't aspire to do better in life than people that have no ambition, no goals? You want your children to get C's in school so that they are average? Wow,you socialists really set the bar real high. We'll I hope you reach your goals and I also hope that those of us that sacrifice,take chances and invest in our futures don't have to continue to support underachievers like and your ilk. This will start to happen when we vote out the supreme socialist,Obama.

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18peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

bor-y-lie et al

I am not so eloquent myself but here is a little essay I've always liked.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ul...

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19thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

wow, what a spin. You hope i reach MY GOALS? I already did. College graduate, paid off my student loan in 2 years, professional licence, professional career, built my own house, paid for it, put 2 kids through college, got more in my harley than you paid for your house. Youre gonna lecture me about underachieving and setting the bar? I dont think so.

I studied economics in college. I know what socialism and capitalism is. You dont.

What kills me is how idiots like you think this "benefit the 1%" ideology, this "trickle down" economics is gonna improve YOUR life. Go ahead, support the "entitlement" cuts, See how you like it when it eventually affects you when you realize youve cut your own throat. Cut YOUR medicare, YOUR soc sec, YOUR health care when youre employer lets you go. YOU are not gonna pay less taxes. The CEO of your company will, but you wont. You want to cut govt services, ok, until the one you need or want is cut.
Dont preach your bullsh%t politics to me punk. Im living proof that your wrong.

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20thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

thats beautiful peace. and your name describes you well. It would be my pleasure to cross paths with you some day in our beautiful liberal world...

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21peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Thank you Think. I am most humbled. Don't let these right wing uh.... guys .... get you down. You seem to have it all together, IMHO.

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22borylie(831 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

thinkthentalk,
If you knew me you wouldn't be calling me punk. Also appears you're quite upset,the truth must hurt.
You don't know anything about me so just to give you hint on how wrong you are,your Harley must be worth about $450,000.00.
Based on the fact you've said in previous posts that you work in construction and that your kids walked home from school, I tend not to believe you. However, I know you could still put two kids through college and still have kids walking home from school and working construction doesn't mean you aren't a college grad,but based on your use of capital letters and overall quality of your posts,I'd say you majored in B.S.
We all know what socialism is and what it stands for and if this is want you want and that the United states should be a socialist country,then I stand by my post and I'm correct in my assessment of you. So quit your crying and quit knocking people you don't know so that you can feel superior because you're inferior. Name calling is for little kids and liberals.

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23thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

I sold my share in my construction co and still work as a managing consultant for a few more years till i retire. I live close enough to poland schools that my boys can walk home. And judging from your posts, you probably owe more than $450k.

Yes i am upset when lies are said about my president. There is no such thing as socialism in this country, never has, never will be. Its silly propaganda from fox and rushbo that keeps your kind hooked. Only in the U.S. can you not only get away with broadcasting it, but actually profit from it. Which is proof in itself.

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24jojuggie(1484 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey ttt, Obama told Joe The Plumber that he believed in the redistribution of wealth. He hired the Communist Van Jones who believes in same.
Well anyway, did you hear that Fox news just hired Jesse Jackon's daughter, Santita.
You mentioned Scarborough, a FORMER Repub. is employed by msnbc. You must be kidding. He is a FORMER Repub. He slams the Repubs often. Did you ever hear Beckel or Willians slam a Democrat? Hell no. It won't ever happen.

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25BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TTT:
"dem·o·crat   /ˈdɛməˌkræt/ Show Spelled[dem-uh-krat] Show IPA
noun
1. an advocate of democracy."

There's your problem right there, we are NOT a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic.

You might know that if you paid more attention in History class. Or maybe not as I remember quite a few Flamin' Liberal teachers and professors.

The Founders had few kind words to say about democracies and therefore did not create one.

Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

“It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”
Alexander Hamilton June 21, 1788

"Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths".
James Madison

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26BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TTT:
"WE WANT TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!"

We want tax cuts for those who pay income taxes.

"WE WANT TO INVADE IRAN! (which would surely raise gas even higher)."

If we drilled our own oil then we don't have to buy from furriners.

"WE WANT TAX SUBSIDIES FOR THE OIL COMPANYS BECAUSE THEY DONT MAKE ENOUGH!"

Oil companies do not get any subsidies.
You want to talk subsidies? How about 4 billion to the ethanol industry, eh?
Oil companies take whatever legitimate tax deductions they are entitled to take.
Just as any other manufacturing company.
BTW if you really did own a business, are you saying that you refused to take all of your deductions?

PS Oil company profits are on the low end of the spectrum. You want really profitable companies?
How about pharmaceuticals, computers or alcohol?

http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com...

PPS you want realllly big profits?
Try Apple:

http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/24/boom...

How come you guys ain't screaming about the price gouging that comes out of Cupertino California, eh?

And why isn't Obama screaming about it either?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vide...

And you want to know who makes the biggest profit on gas?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wsoMz4L_mGo...

"You dont know what you want..."

We do know that you don't know Jack about what you go on about.

To quote the Gipper:

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

http://www.hark.com/clips/fsjhlcrmmb-...

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27BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Interesting that you libs aren't screaming at your guy in the White House that can't even propose a budget that his own party has disowned, TWICE!
Last year it was rejected 97 to Zip!
And this year, 414 to Nada!

Anyone got any legitimate objections to Paul Ryan's budget?

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28JME(801 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Dictator Oblama is too busy telling the Supreme Court what to do, he can't be bothered with a budget.

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29borylie(831 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

To BabaGhanoush and VidiVenVici,
Great posts and I really enjoyed reading and learning from the both of you. Thanks.

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30walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

BabaGhanoush,
Good post but you need some clarification. While oil companies don't get subsidized, they do get tax credits as would any other corporation in any other business, especially their foreign tax credits. The only special allowance that I know of in the drilling industry is the depletion allowance that permits an accelerated write off on well expenses.

Your explanation that this country is a constitutional republic and not a democracy is one that I keep trying to make but it falls on deaf ears. Just as the US Constitution has "enumeration of powers" that Barry Soetoro just can't seem to grasp. Thank God a 5th Circuit Court b!tch-slapped him and his Justice Dept.

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31thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

All you right wing economists get an F. Clinton left office with a budget surplus. Dont believe me? Newt was campaigning on that fact, that it was "his doing". Bush tax cuts (less revenue) Bush war, plus interest. Vidi, redo your math. Start the debt in 2000 at $0.

Still dont believe me? This is from the Congressional budget office:
The surge in debt stems partly from lower tax revenues and higher federal spending related to the recent severe recession and turmoil in financial markets. However, the growing debt also reflects an imbalance between spending and revenues that predated those economic developments.
Thats from the CBO, not some lying BS rightwing website.

Vidi, your numbers are all BS, as are you and your buddies.

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32peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Good grief .....

Walter, don't you know by now the Barry Soetero thing was a huge April Fools' hoax? I'm not picking just on you, I see it all the time on some of these posts.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/apri...

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33JME(801 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Talkthenthink,

Debt has increased every year since the mid-1950's. For someone who claims to have an economics background, you should have known that. And you should be able to understand the difference between debt and budget. Obviously, you are full of bs on being educated.

Clinton couldn't spend, it was an all-Republican congress!

Also, there was a budget surplus projected in 2002, but you whiney liberals conveniently forget something that happened in Sept. 2011.

By the why, the last time the debt was at 0 (in the 1800's) the country went into a depression.

But of course you studied economics in college...LOL

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34JME(801 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Here you go mr. economics

National debt:

09/30/2000
$5,674,178,209,886.86

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/re...

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35BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Walter S.:
"While oil companies don't get subsidized,"

Don't let Cambridge and his sidekick TripleT hear that as they have asserted that oil companies get untold billions in "subsidies". Of course they have nothing to say about Solyndra and other "Green" cartels getting free money from the Gub'mint.

"they do get tax credits as would any other corporation in any other business, especially their foreign tax credits."

Tax law is written by both democrats and republicans.
I'm sure that as an astute businessman, TripleT eschews any and all credits and deductions as in his mind they are "subsidies"

"The only special allowance that I know of in the drilling industry is the depletion allowance that permits an accelerated write off on well expenses."

Actually that allowance is granted to any industry involved in natural resources:
mining, timber, petroleum, or other similar industries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletio...)

"Your explanation that this country is a constitutional republic and not a democracy is one that I keep trying to make but it falls on deaf ears."

That's because the education industry is run by the NEA and fellow travelers and will ensure that the "students" will be "taught" only what is deemed to be the "correct" subjects.

If that weren't true, we would not have so many people clueless as to the history and origins of our country and what our Founding Fathers envisioned.

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36BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TripleT:
"Bush tax cuts (less revenue)"

Another liberal lie. Revenue from 2002 to 2007 went from 2.9TR to 4.2TR.

"This is from the Congressional budget office:
The surge in debt stems partly from lower tax revenues and higher federal spending related to the recent severe recession and turmoil in financial markets. However, the growing debt also reflects an imbalance between spending and revenues that predated those economic developments.
Thats from the CBO, not some lying BS rightwing website."

When was that written?
And where are they saying that taxes need to be raised, eh?
All they are saying is that spending that out paces revenues leads to deficits.

"Vidi, your numbers are all BS"

Go ahead, make my day, post your proof.

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37BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

PieceofLiver:
"Good grief ....."

Does that mean you will post Obama's grades in school and college?

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38slappy_smith(5 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

i love to read comments by the right wing rush limbaugh listening, propganda website reading, fox news watching, uneducated pea brained ignoramus's we affectionately refer to as republicans.

the more you nincompoops post the greater the chances of a democrat being elected. you dimwits are far more dangerous than any terrorist.

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39BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Slappy Smith:
" love to read comments by the right wing"

Care to cite any examples to prove your assertion or are you just blowing smoke?

Seems to me that it is you guys on the left that issue the same old talking points without any corroboration at all.

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40thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

Well babadouch, if wikpedia is good enough for you, its good enough for me.

According to the CBO, the U.S. last had a surplus during fiscal year (FY) 2001.
The U.S. budget situation has deteriorated significantly since 2001,
* Recessions or the business cycle (37%);
* Policies enacted by President Bush (33%);
* Policies enacted by President Bush and supported or extended by President Obama (20%); and
* New policies from President Obama (10%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_...

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41sam_carter(95 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL, nincompoops! Good one, haven't heard that word in a long time. Do you really talk that way slappy? You sound like a fun guy to drink with.
I think you guys are getting bogged down and mistaken with the national debt and balanced budget. I dont have the time or desire to look this up as you guys do, but i see that the clinton years, the govt took in more than it paid out, and that was paying down the debt. So we ran a surplus till bush came in, and yes, their was still debt, but it was being paid down and would have been paid down in a few more years. Then the tax cuts when Bush took over, 9/11, iraq war, paid out more than paid in.
It seems obvious to me that if it were not for the tax cuts, we would not be in the shape we are in. Now, i know that congress, both sides are to blame also.
Those of you that have the time and desire, check that point, and am i right?
And dont get angry with me. Im a nice guy just trying to help.

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42peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

@ BabaGhanoush
Why in the world would I care what grade President Obama got in his sophomore English class 30 some years ago? I don't even care what Mitt Romney got. Or Newt. Or Rick. Or Dubya. Such silliness.

I guess that's what's important to some of you neo cons...... 30 year old grades .... not the little issues like jobs, healthcare, etc.

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43BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TripleT:
"Well ..........."

Nice way of you libs to answer a question I didn't ask.

Someone else was talking about the Debt.
I was talking about your lies that revenues went down under GW.
Revenues did go up and you just ignored it. Typical.

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44BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

PieceoLiver:
"I guess that's what's important to some of you neo cons...... 30 year old grades .... not the little issues like jobs, healthcare, etc."

Yeah that's why you and your president are talking about birth control and whether women should be allowed into Augusta.
Oh yeah, I forgot, he spent so much time on his brackets too.

"...you neo cons..."

Oh, now I'm a neo-con?

Based on what? Reading tea leaves?

We're the ones talking about the screwed up economy and screwed up health insurance situation. And how Obama is holding up oil production and giving money to companies that file for bankruptcy.

You guys are the ones going on about minutiae.

Yeah, let's have more talk about birth control and contraception.

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45BabaGhanoush(106 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

TripleT:
" if wikpedia is good enough for you"

Except that I did not get my information about taxes from Wiki, I got them from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, BEA for short.
Been going there since Clinton. You should too, might learn something.

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46thinkthentalk(271 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

There ya go, typical neo-con spin. Repub Blount wants a birth control amendment on the HIGHWAY bill, chairman rushbo calls the girl a slut. Romney says he'll eliminate planned parenthood. Now, who started beating that drum Baba? I dont know what is more stupid. Starting this war on women, or saying that the dems baited you into it.

Whos the ones talking about the screwed up economy that Bush screwed up, and screwed up health insurance? Youre the one that brought up stupid "post Obama's grades in school and college? Mmm.. So i guess your next rebuttal is gonna be " I never saw his birth certificate...

Keep up the fight peace. Your terse logical well defined points are a relief to these blowhard attempts to define socialism and constitutional republics.
Debating socialism? Really?

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47peacelover(791 comments)posted 2 years, 8 months ago

BlahBlahGanoush

The birth control mandate was already in place in 28 states and no Repub uttered a peep about it until this year, an election year. Why?

What is the GOP's solution to the healthcare mess? I'm waiting.

If "minutae" as you call it, means holding up shady drilling practices in favor of clean drinking water and an unspoiled environment then I am all for "minutae". Good planets are hard to come by.

I don't have all the answers. I am the first one to admit it. Maybe you can do better. Let's hear it.

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