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Patriot plans study on fracking



Published: Tue, September 27, 2011 @ 1:33 p.m.

WARREN

Patriot Water Treatment, which faces a potential shutdown next year due to environmental regulations, is planning a study to debunk the myths of hydraulic fracking.

“Our initial goal is to host a forum where all parties can share fact-based ideas, challenges and solutions concerning the use of water in this industry,” said Tom Angelo, Warren water-pollution control director, in a letter. “It is our charge to develop and implement a study that is science based, environmentally sound and practical. This study will protect our resources and embrace gainful employment for generations.”

Fracking, a process where water and chemicals are blasted into rocks thousands of feet below the ground to unlock natural gas and oil, has come under scrutiny for its environmental hazards.

The Ohio Department of Natural Resources ODNR ruled in May that it will revoke the city of Warren’s brine-water permit next year, citing a statute in Ohio law that “strictly limits” options for disposing brine from the production of oil or gas.

It doesn’t affect Patriot’s ability to clean water, but it affects where they can send it.

Unless the ODNR decision is changed — the main reason to go ahead with the study — Patriot will be out of options.

Patriot already has purchased land in East Liverpool and Steubenville in hopes of building plants similar to the one in Warren. President Andrew Blocksom said as many as 600 jobs could be created, but only if ODNR allows Patriot to send treated water to public-water treatment plants.

Read more in Wednesday’s Vindicator and at Vindy.com.


Comments

1Tigerlily(476 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

It is in Patriot's interest to "find" results that will comfort people.

It is in the people's interest for an outside party to do the study, and let the results be guided by what is good for the people, not for Patriot.

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2Tigerlily(476 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

They are ready to turn Warren, East Liverpool, and Steubenville into nothing but waste sites. And all those communities through which the various rivers flow will be affected.

It's just like the old days, with the steel mills dumping their poisons into the Mahoning River.

They said that was fine back then, too.

We see how that worked out. The Mahoning is worthless now, and people can't even use it for recreational purposes, which might have created an entertainment/recreation district in various cities and towns along it for economic development. We keep ruining our communities ourselves, by allowing companies like this to dump in our environments.

It's the same thing as that saying: Don't p*ss in your own pool.

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3300(553 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Warren, East Liverpool, and Steubenville.

Could anyone explain to me why Champion, Canfield, and Columbiana would never be an option? Especially, since I'd imagine that there are more than a few people who work in the offices of the energy companies who live in those communities.

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4NilesOhio(691 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

carlstaatz - I find it hard to believe that you are that callous to potentially destroying the environment to gain some wealth. That's what people in the past did, knowingly or not, and our current generations are suffering. We should be moving forward, not backwards. Should I bring up the whole Love Canal situation as a reminder of what your logic produces? That was just 200 miles away.

If Patriot built their business on shaky ground, that's their problem. If they go out of business because they're putting people at risk to make some money, that's their problem, and good riddance to them.

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

What is at issue is the salinity of the discharge . Every winter many thousands of tons or road salt are dumped into our environment . Spring runoff puts this salt into the streams . Who wants to stop road salting ? By monitoring the salinity level of the stream being discharged into the treatment plant flows can be regulated not to exceed preset limits . The alternative ? Natural Gas prices could easily triple along with shortages .

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6NilesOhio(691 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Stan, salt is a naturally occurring substance. Other than high concentrations, the environment can absorb that.

However, brine is only one of the byproducts of hydraulic fracking. According to Earthworks, there are at least 9 chemicals used in fracking. If they are going after drinking water, what is to stop those chemicals from being IN the water they're trying to push on the public?

I'd encourage anyone thinking this is a sound method to read this: http://www.earthworksaction.org/Fraci...

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7Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The treatment plant removes solids, hydrocarbons and acids but the salinity is the main componet that is at issue . The tripling of natural gas prices and shortages this winter is a very real possibility with no end in sight .

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8Rockabilly(93 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@NilesOhio
It's my understanding that there are hundreds of chemicals used in fracking, many of which cause cancer.

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9300(553 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Stan, I won't pretend to know a lot about natural gas or oil production, but I do know about commodities. There's no way natural gas is going to triple in price. The market is currently flooded with natural gas, and demand has been stagnant.

Even if the price were to go up 30%, that's still pretty cheap for fuel.

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10ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

What a total sham of a study.

Tom Angelo only cares about the greased palm cash payout that he was signed up for.

Now that dumping poisons, including radioactive materials in the public water facility has gained resistance he's playing lap dog for Patriot.

Plenty was wrote about Patriot and it's many shell companies and oddness on here eons ago by contributors - if you can find it.

Fracking is a terrible process and the industry has lied it's a$$ off about environmental impacts. The industry misled people for eons about the injected fluids saying it was just pressurized water. They deny exposure and uptake of radioactive elements still.

It's just another generation of the resource rapists on the loose.

Ask folks in Arkansas about those 500 earthquakes last year. Cause? Fracking is top suspect. Fracking can and will cause earthquakes. What happens when you dump 16 million pounds of anything in a concentrated area and fracture foundation rock underground?

Until we have natural gas vehicles being sold locally, until we have a deep reduction in natural gas rates, until we have natural gas filling stations, all this is going to be is our natural resources locally exported elsewhere.

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Rising gas prices will be good for the industry as the marginal wells will be profitable once again . The politics of bashing the oil and gas industry is on par with the attacks on the farmers . Higher food prices are now cutting back on obesity . Higher gas prices will promote conservation . The days of cheap living are coming to an end .

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12ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ironically, farm subsidies are exactly what killed the family farms. Pushed people off of productive farm land into cities and suburbs to get 'normal jobs'.

What replaced them? Big mega business death farms with all pesticides and toxins.

There's a difference between being anti business and being duped.

Oil and gas wells are responsible for all sorts of destruction. So has coal done countless damage. Want to talk about the $100's of billions needed just to stabilize old mines that the taxpayer is going to have to fund?

I don't advocate eliminating them (resource rapists), but instead knowing the facts before destroying more fertile land, before setting off earthquakes, before putting concentrated poison and radioactivity in the public drinking water system.

Sodium fluoride found in probably all city water around here is a byproduct of coal burning and contains ample radioactivity. Ask the folks in central Texas where all there radioactive water is coming really from. It's a terrible issue that no one wants to admit to. At minimum it's causing hundreds of cancer cases that should have been.

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13lumper(281 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

the reason patriot's permit is not being renewed is because THE STATE OF OHIO IS CHARGING A PER BARREL FEE FOR THE INJECTING OF THE WASTE WATER BACK INTO THE GROUND. there is no environmental issue with patriot. it is about the state getting the money instead of someone else.

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14NilesOhio(691 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

carlstaatz - If you feel that way, then by all means, buy some property in Love Canal, up near Niagara Falls. By your comments, the inevitable cancer you will get will just be imagined "environmentalist wackos" rhetoric anyway, or simply the price to pay for living in an industrialized country.

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15cyba(3 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Pennsylvannia asked 18 plants that were doing the same thing to stop. Why in the world would we now start doing this in Ohio ?

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