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Pursuing long-term solutions

Published: Mon, September 26, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Pursuing long-term solutions

I write in response to a Sept. 18 letter to the editor criticizing President Obama’s American Jobs Act and supporting Issue Two. The letter clearly illustrates the folly and failure of Republican ideology the writer had adopted. While President Obama has developed a well thought-out plan that will both create jobs and reduce the deficit, Republicans, including those fighting for the party’s presidential nomination, offer no new ideas, only roadblocks.

Their solution to the job crisis and the deficit is the same as it has been for more than a decade: attack middle class workers and preserve tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. What has their policy yielded? The great recession of 2007, from which we have not fully recovered, and the largest budget shortfalls in our nation’s history.

The attack on working families that characterizes Republican policy at the national level has been replicated in Ohio, particularly with the passage of Senate Bill 5. Rather than finding ways to create and preserve good-paying jobs, Governor John Kasich and his cohorts decided to attack the living standards of hundreds of thousands of middle class workers, including first responders and teachers. Rather than passing legislation that attempts to make these workers poorer, we should be striving to create an environment in which every citizen can once again work hard and earn a piece of the American Dream.

President Obama and those who are fighting to repeal Senate Bill 5 understand that creating the opportunity for all Americans to prosper is the only way to create jobs and generate the revenue needed to deal with the nation’s long-term budget deficit. It is my hope that the Republicans who caused the problems that now confront us will either join in the effort to put the nation on the road to recovery or get out of the way so Democrats can get the job done.

Atty. David J. Betras, Canfield

The writer is chairman of the Mahoning County Democratic Party.


1VindyPost(436 comments)posted 3 years ago

" It is my hope that the Republicans who caused the problems that now confront us will either join in the effort to put the nation on the road to recovery or get out of the way so Democrats can get the job done."

SB5 is an attack on the Middle Class. Believe what you want...it will deeply affect all of us.
Ohioians will NOT fall for it.

VOTE No On Issue 2

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2AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 3 years ago

Thank You Mr. Betras.

Rest Assured.


Vote NOooooo on Issue 2!

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3peacelover(790 comments)posted 3 years ago

My vote will be NO on Issue 2.

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4Dan_Moadus(33 comments)posted 3 years ago

It is a very sad letter. The Chairman seems to have placed the welfare of the unionized public worker above the taxpayers, who for the most part enjoy far less compensation than the folks who depend on their tax dollars. I'm sure he thinks that it's their fault that they all didn't unionize though. Part of the purpose of SB5 is to take a little from the employees who remain working to lessen the number of workers who will have to be laid off due to a shrinking tax base. But as is typical of most union members they wouldn't give up a dime to save a brothers job. I know; I've held three different union cards.

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5mjnovaksr(95 comments)posted 3 years ago

I will vote FOR Issue 2. I belong to the largest union of all.... the non-union private sector, which comprises 88% of the worker nationwide, and we are tired of watching the public sector unions in collusion with their Democrat party continue to get compensation, benefits, and work rules that far exceed their private sector peers. Further, Ohio desperately needs to become a right-to-work state, and eliminate the sweetheart deals unions enjoy here. Contrary to the whining ads by the unions and the Democrat party SB5 limited little of the union collective bargaining rights, but did a lot to prevent strikes and force negotiated settlements. It also reins in their sweetheart retirements, moves to reduce the unused sick time benefits, provides the ability to base pay and layoffs on performance rather than seniority alone. I urge all members of my union (the non-union union) to (1) read the bill yourself, and (2) vote YES on Issue 2 to begin regaining control of our state and local governments!!

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6republicanRick(1168 comments)posted 3 years ago

Not one single original thought put forth in David Betras' letter. How sad.

Betras in the letter wants to raise taxes (like Obama), blames the Rebublicans for the deficit (Democrats have controlled the spending arm of the government since 2006), and wants special privileges for the special interest group he adores (the unions).

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7cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

mjnovaksr.....So you think being a "right to work" state is the road to prosperity. There are 22 "right to work" states in this country and 19 of them are welfare states that depend on receiving more money from the federal government than they pay in federal income tax. Two of the other three are Nevada that is supported by the gaming industry and Texas that is supported by it's oil resources.

So the reality is that states that are not "right to work" are the states that pay to run the federal government along with sending welfare checks to the "right to work" states that couldn't get along without their handout.

Those 19 states contribute nothing to our nations military, government sponsored medical research, the FDA, FEMA, NASA, education or any other government program that serves the masses. They enjoy all the benefits of living in this country without paying a dime for the privilage in the form of federal income taxes. It's a shame you don't want more for Ohio.

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8cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

Jessiedavid.....You use a blog as a source for making a point. How about some facts instead of some teabagger's opinion. Fact is, the "right to work" states are a drain on the country. They contribute nothing, zero, zip, nada when it comes to paying for anything in this country through federal income tax.

I'm sure you don't have a problem with that because Ohio is also a welfare state. Not you or anyone else in Ohio pays one dime to contribute to anything you get from the federal government. You just sit back with your hand out begging for someone else to pay your way and offer up a blog to justify it. Aren't you just a little embarrassed?

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9smrt_enuf2leave(11 comments)posted 3 years ago

@ cambridge...
While i agree with your comment about Ohio being a welfare state, I have to disagree with pretty much everything you say.
If the year was 1980, everything you say would be correct, but it is not 1980 anymore. When the economy was ruled by manufacturing and unskilled labor, all your points would be correct. Manufacturing and unskilled labor in the US are gone, and never coming back. The fact is that the southern right to work states have invested heavily in business and technology. Some simple research will show that the top 10 fastest growing states, are right to work states, and the top ten fastest growing cities are in right to work states. Ohio and its surrounding states are stuck in the mentallity of 30 years ago. Technology companies don't like unions, and they will not invest thier money in union dominated states. Texas alone in the last ten years has become the epicenter of the technology industry, surpassing even southern California. I live in VA, a right to work state where the economy is booming, and where the vast majority of homes are above the $500,000 price mark, and they are building hundreds more everyday. Yet I can buy an entire city block of homes in Y-Town for $100,000. The vast majority of military bases are in the south. Don't get me wrong, there are still huge pockets of poverty in the south, but give it another ten years, and all those pockets of poverty will be in the north. The simple fact is, given the direction our economy is headed, the south is kicking our asses, granted, for the first time in history, but make no mistake, it is happening. Unless Ohio, and the other states with the same mentallity can come up with some serious changes in how they do business, they are quickly moving down a path of self destruction. I should note the only state that is the exception to what I have stated here, is Iowa. they have adopted new policies including a 50% reduction in business taxes, and a huge reduction in commercial property taxes, that has turned things around for them.

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10cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

smrt_enuf2leave....You say you live in Virginia which is another welfare state. Virginia, Ohio and every other welfare state owes it's quality of life to the states that are paying for it. Just like the people of Ohio you and the rest of Virginia get back every dime in federal income tax you send to Washington along with a welfare check that pays for programs and benefits you enjoy from the federal government.

Until you live in a state that actually makes a contribution in this country you are the one who's argument is invalid.

State Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes

New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Virginia $1.76
North Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.66
South Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
South Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
North Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $0.97
Texas $0.94
Oregon $0.93
Michigan $0.92
Washington $0.88
Wisconsin $0.86
Massachusetts $0.82
Colorado $0.81
New York $0.79
California $0.78
Delaware $0.77
Illinois $0.75
Minnesota $0.72
New Hampshire $0.71
Connecticut $0.69
Nevada $0.65
New Jersey $0.61
District of Columbia $5.55

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11smrt_enuf2leave(11 comments)posted 3 years ago

I do not owe my quality of life to anyone but myself. I personally paid more in federal taxes last year, than most people in Y-town make in a year. I blame my problems on the same person I blame for my successes.... me.
You can make the argument personal if you like, and you can argue the welfare state angle all you like, but i do not owe my quality of life to anyone else but me.
My argument was making the point that unions are a necessity of the past, not the future. And people that refuse to accept that are the instrument of thier own demise. In 2010 Raliegh, NC was the 4th fastest growing city in the US. 83% of the people that moved into NC in 2010 came from either Ohio or Michigan. Obviously some people are smart enough to realize where the next economic boom areas will be.

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12cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

smrt_enf2leave.....Bottom line, the people of your state do not even pay enough in federal income tax to support the running of your state let alone contribute to running the country.

Your state Virginia receives $1.51 from the government for every dollar paid in federal income tax. North Carolina receives $1.08 for every dollar paid in federal income tax. If these states are "the next economic boom areas' why do they need welfare paid for by other states that have large union memberships like California, New York, New Jersey, Mass., Washington State and others?

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13smrt_enuf2leave(11 comments)posted 3 years ago

Not to split hairs with you.
The numbers you are quoting are absolutely correct, at least they were in 2005. These numbers are from a study done in 2007 on fiscal year 2005. These numbers also include ALL federal spending in individual states. Not just public assistance. Federal spending includes, Social Security, Medicare, Federal employee salaries in that state (including military), education, and any other funding the federal government chooses to spend in an individual state. Some states are bigger beneficiaries of federal spending. I would also like to point out that: NM, AK, WV, KY, MO, MD, VT, PA, IN, OH, and RI are NOT right to work states and receive more federal dollars than they put in, while FL, and TX ARE right to work, and recieve less.

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14JME(801 comments)posted 3 years ago

"get out of the way so Democrats can get the job done."

Just like they did to the Mahoning Valley over the last 30+ years, eh Betras. LMAO!

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15JME(801 comments)posted 3 years ago

"Fact is, the "right to work" states are a drain on the country. They contribute nothing, zero, zip, nada when it comes to paying for anything in this country through federal income tax...I'm sure you don't have a problem with that because Ohio is also a welfare state."

Diarrhea-of-the-mouth (aka Cambridge), you contradict yourself in the same post. Ohio is not a "right to work" state.
While trying to use slants with the facts you're confusing your little brain.

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16JME(801 comments)posted 3 years ago

"New poll: SB 5 supporters make gains among voters"


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17cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

First of all I never said Ohio was a "right to work" state. I said 19 of the 22 "right to work" states are welfare states, which is a fact.

In my discussion with smrt_enuf2leave he/she referenced Virginia and North Carolina and I pointed out that both were welfare states, which is a fact.

I listed every state and DC with how much money the received from the federal government per dollar paid in federal income tax. I didn't try and spin anything. I included facts in my post instead of opinions.

There are 33 states and DC who receive more money per dollar than they paid in federal income tax, that is a fact.

Since the government uses federal income tax to run the government, support the military and fund programs that all Americans benefit from, the reality is those 33 states don't contribute, they are a drain and that's a fact.

How about this, if you live in one of those 33 states your representatives should not be allowed to vote on how federal tax revenue is spent since none of it is their money anyway.

Or better yet, let each state pay equally. If the federal government could run on 10% of the federal income taxes collected then let each state get $0.90 back for every dollar sent to Washington. That way we all pay equally. Then I would like to see if the quality of life for all of the citizens of Virginia declines when they give up that extra $0.61 for every dollar they pay in federal income tax. I have a feeling it would.

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18cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

Jessiedavid....If you want "big government" out of your lives just write your representatives and tell them you want "big government" to stop sending more money back to states than those states pay in federal income tax. That would be the first step in balancing the budget. You would be all for that, right?

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19cambridge(3028 comments)posted 3 years ago

Hey rudy.....Like I've already explained, It's not your money. You don't have to worry about the EPA. All of Ohio's federal income tax dollars come right back to Ohio along with a welfare check. So you should just sit back, shut up and thank the EPA for looking out for you freeloaders.

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20TylerDurden(367 comments)posted 3 years ago

"While President Obama has developed a well thought-out plan that will both create jobs and reduce the deficit..."

- Second most luidicrous thing ever wrtitten on this site. Purely defunct of any reason, logic, or intelligence.

"Well said Atty. Betras!

VTOE NO ON ISSUE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

- Clearly a dog bite victim.

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