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Politics not involved in firing



Published: Tue, September 6, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Politics not involved in firing

I feel I need to write this let- ter in defense of Campbell Mayor VanSuch. I was astonished at an Aug. 29 letter that insinuated that the dismissal of Donald Jackson was political. Mayor VanSuch had nothing to do with Mr. Jackson being appointed as a pro-temp to the water department.

When Mr. Krinos was elected mayor he kept Mr. Jackson’s father (Lew) as city administrator and a short time later, Mr. Krinos gave the younger Jackson a pro-temp job (now that sounds political) with the city water department, with the understanding he would have to take and pass a civil service exam. He knew this at the time he got the job.

Well, he took the test and failed it. Mr. VanSuch who did not create this problem, received notification from the civil service commission that he would have to dismiss, (not fire) Mr. Jackson from the water dept.

I understand that Mr. Jackson did a good job while working for the dept. but at the same time was being well paid and compensated. It was also mentioned that it cost the city $5,000 or more in training, that also was not Mayor VanSuch’s fault being that he had nothing to do with the appointment of Mr. Jackson.

What Mayor VanSuch has to be concerned about is the five men who did pass the civil service exam and what their reactions would be if the job was given to Mr. Jackson. Could there be a lawsuit, which might cost the city more money?

The voters in Campbell are not dumb, although after the last election I have my doubts. We have to get the citizens who are reasonable-thinking people out to vote. The voters must not listen to gossip and lies; they need to make their own judgment on who they are voting for.

There is a group of people in our city who are not concerned about what is best for the city, but what is best for them.

Chester DeWitt, Campbell


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1Billybob21(96 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

O Trust me the reasonable-thinking people will be out to vote. And if it's not Mr VanSuch's fault for the $5,000 in training then why would he want to cost the citizens another $5,000 to train and certify someone new when there is already someone in the position that is doing a Great job and is already certified.Huh Really makes sense. Spend more of the citizens money while we are trying to get out of fiscal emergency. Not someone i want as my mayor.

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2Silence_Dogood(1374 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Well BillyBob it would seem that you might have missed something in the story line about how STATE CIVIL SERVICE LAWS require the removal of Mr Jackson for HIS failure to pass the test. This is a slam dunk case, for the people that passed the test and have not been hired, to win a lawsuit against the City of Campbell for violation of State Civil Service Law.How much do you think a lawsuit would cost the taxpayers of Campbell only to end up with a Judge ordering the removal of Mr Jackson and the hiring of someone from the list.The lesson for the people to learn is to never hire someone on a provisional basis, one it stinks of political favoritism, and two it will kick you in the azz if the person is not smart enough to pass a simple test.

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3campbellcitizen(25 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Silence...your point is well taken but I find ironic that Mr. VanSuch had no problem putting his son in as Litter Control personel when he was City Administrator, He has no problem letting the current gentleman who is reading water meter continue reading them even though he failed the test. Now is any of that fair???? Also Mr. VanSuch's signs read "Experience" Why dont you ask him what position he filled in the city when we went into fiscal emergency....oh wait in case he says he doesn't recall he was City Administrator under Jack Dill.....Why is the only law suit he is worried about is Mr. Jacksons when it is apparent there could be another one for meter reader.
Further more I have searched and searched the Ohio Revised Code, and absolutly no where can I find where it states that if you take a Civil Service test you are guarenteed a job! If you know where it states that please direct me to it. Such as ORC 124 etc

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4mrblue(1030 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Mr.DeWitt-----------It is true that there are a group of people in the city that are not concerned with what is best for the city, but what is best for them. That group is the city administration. ( Just an opinion.)

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5Silence_Dogood(1374 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Campbellcitizen you bring up some good examples of how corrupt the City of Campbell is in administering the law. Campbell has been known to be a corrupt run City for decades, from the Mayors office to the Police force. It does not shock me to find out that there is corruption in the City's Civil Service office or any other department in that City. As far as your question in regards to "guarenteed (sp.) a job", there is no provision. The City maintains the right to throw out the list of candidates from the test if it deems that no one on the list is qualified. But the Law does not waver in regards to Mr Jacksons case, he can not continue to keep working in that slot. Yes the apple bushel known as Campbell has a lot or ROTTEN apples.

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6jimc53(2 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Let's get real! More than half the city workers of Campbell got their jobs because they know someone or are related to someone and it goes on in EVERY city! I'm not sure you need a civil service test to read meters. It would cost the city way more than $5,000 in lawsuits if he kept Mr.Jackson.

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75thwardcouncilman(9 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Chester where are you getting your info from? When Mr.Jackson was hired there was no agreement of him taking a civil service test.You are being misinformed.He wasnt put in as pro-temp he was appointed by Krinos as a provisional emloyee.At the time of his appointment there was no civil service list.Now if Mr.Vansuch would of waited till october Mr Jacksons probation would be up.Therefore making him a perminate appointee in the classified service.But Mr Vansuch REQUESTED the civil service come in and give an exam.And you Mr dewitt say that isnt political.BS.
Now as far as the civil service test results go.As stated by another poster the civil service test was givin illegally per THE CHARTER.Page 14,section 4.11 paragraph 3.(All Civil Service examinations for appointment or promotion shall be prepared,Administered,graded,and the results certified by a university within the state of Ohio).NOT FLORIDA.
So my question is how can any one sue the city for an illegal test.You see Mr Dewitt the charter does not lie.Pick up a copy and you and Mr Vansuch can go over it together.It seems theres some sections of it Mr Vansuch cant recall.And as campbellcitizen there is a person doing meter reading that did not pass the test.(And yes jimc53 they did give a test for Meter reader/Utility clerk the same day as the Plant Operator).So my question is where is all the concern over a lawsuit for his position.That was your concern right Mr Dewitt Could there be a lawsuit,Which might cost the city money?And you say its not politics.BS
And WHY would there be a lawsuit YOU ARE NOT GUARENTEED EMPLOYMENT WHEN YOU TAKE A CIVIL SERVICE TEST!!!!!!

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8Silence_Dogood(1374 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I see corruption runs all the way down to the Council chamber. It is fools like this that cause the taxpayers untold fortunes in wasted tax money.Look, he even has a worm!

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9onlyincampbell(35 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Mr. DeWitt I really have to ask you, are you defending Mr. VanSuch because he gave your grandson Joey a job at the park this summer? I would have to question your reason for sending this letter and rebutt back that yes, it was political just as your letter defending Mr. VanSuch is politically motivated.

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10LoriC(1 comment)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

onlyincampbell, I can tell you how MY son got that job..Back in March i believe it was, I saw posted in the vindy jobs available in the City of Campbell and a summer job was listed. He went to City Hall put an application in and was hired for summer work..it was a temporary job at minimum wage. But I can assure you that if my son had to take a civil service test, he would pass! Does that answer your question?

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11devilforlife(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THERE IS SUCH A POSITION AS UTILITY CLERK/ METER READER ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF CAMPBELL. ALL OF THOSE RESULTS SHOULD BE VOID

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