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Don’t be fooled by divide/conquer



Published: Mon, October 31, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Don’t be fooled by divide/conquer

I have received three pieces of junk mail recently telling me to vote yes on Issue 2. One piece was paid for by Building a Better Ohio (for billionaires), and the other two were paid for by the Alliance For America’s Future in Alexandria, Va. First, I find it incredibly offensive that an “Alliance” in Virginia is spending big bucks to try to manipulate voters in Ohio. Second, I also find it offensive that all three pieces of junk mail only mentioned teachers; they failed to mention all the unfair and unsafe provisions that would affect thousands of other public-service employees.

I will vote no on Issue 2. The only agenda that Gov. Kasich has is to “bust” unions. Issue 2 has nothing to do with balancing the budget. The Republicans have done a good job of turning the middle class against each other with rhetoric pitting the “haves” against the “have nots” and the “public” employees against the “private” sector.

Issue 2 is unsafe because it puts all of us at risk by not allowing firefighters, policemen, prison guards, and emergency responders to negotiate for critical safety equipment and training. Nurses, hospital staff and clinic workers will no longer be able to negotiate safe staffing levels. Teachers will no longer be able to negotiate for acceptable class sizes or about safety issues within their buildings.

The Republican politicians who jammed SB 5 through the Legislature created a loophole that would exempt themselves and upper management from certain provisions of the law. Gov. Kasich gave his staff very generous raises, and he has given hundreds of millions of dollars away in corporate tax breaks for his billionaire buddies. He obviously doesn’t care about balancing the budget; his agenda is to bust the unions apart.

It states in SB 5, if labor and management come to an impasse during the collective bargaining process, the impasse is to go to a “legislative body.” “If the legislative body fails to select a last best offer, the public employer’s last best offer [is] to become the agreement between the parties.”

Big business, highly-paid lobbyists and the Republican politicians that gladly take their campaign donations are blaming the middle class for a problem that they caused. Don’t fall for this ridiculous “divide and conquer” tactic that will destroy the middle class. Vote no on Issue 2.

Tesa Spletzer, Warren

Struggling communities need SB5

As a resident of Ohio, and a citizen, voter and taxpayer. I will vote yes on Issue 2 on Nov. 8.

Like most Ohio residents, I truly believe that public sector employees in Ohio, who get their job and salary at the expense of all Ohio taxpayers, should not be granted such special privileges private-sector employees across our state do not have.

I urge a yes vote for Issue 2 and SB 5 in these struggling times in communities across Ohio.

Willie James Richards, Youngstown


Comments

1SAVEOURCOUNTRY(464 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Willie,
All public employees, well 94% pay for their retirement and healthcare. SB5 does not cover management. You and I will still pay for theirs. READ THE BILL SO WE CAN KILL THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE NO ON SB%

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2grand4dad(188 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Willie, I'm like you a resident, citizen, voter and taxpayer in Ohio. The public sector employees that serve both you and I do so at a price which is our taxes. These services are not free, we do have to pay for them and I for one want excellent public services. For the most part, these folks are also just like you and I. They are earning a decent living for doing their jobs. They aren't just 'given' a job and sarlary or perks. They earn them. And most of them pay for 10% of salary for their retirement (that almost twice what you pay for your social security). The excesses that have been publicized by the media and the governor's propoganda are for the most part in the management (non unon) level. Like NoBS says, its these people who have made themselves exempt and will not be effected by SB5. Tesa Spletzer is right on with her letter. The governor's tactic for trying to pass this law is to turn the middle class against one another. I'm middle class and I won't fall for it.
VOTE NO ON ISSUE 2.

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3commoncitizen(947 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

In the priveta sector, do the employees REALLY tell a company how to manage it?? --NO. So why should the public sector employees think they should be able to dictate what their jobs are??
Yes on SB5.

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4Philo(99 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

If SB5 is recalled and the honest hard working taxpayers lose the one tool that Governor Kasich wanted to give them to control costs, they won't pass another levy or even a renewal. The end result will be massive layoffs. Unfortunately, only the younger, less senior public sector union members will be impacted. As a former union shop steward I know the truth. Unions eat their own young and the older senior union members won't accept even modest changes such as those in SB5 to help keep their younger union brothers employed. In fact, they'll actually benefit when the younger union members get laid off because their chances for overtime pay will increase.

If you're a younger or less senior public sector union member, or you have a loved one who is, you better think real hard about voting yes for Issue 2.

If you're a substitute teacher who can't get a full time job, or have a teaching degree and can't get a full time job, then thank the teachers union and their policy of tenure and protecting unproductive teachers at all costs, even if the kids suffer. It doesn't matter how hard you work, or how well you prepare. The union protects substandard teachers and whats more, all teachers know this and many are ashamed. Public sector workers need to be evaluated on merit, just like everyone in the private sector. If you can't get a full time teaching position, or if you're one of those who are likely to get laid off when the levy fails then you probably want to think real hard about voting yes on Issue 2.

The sad fact is that only the senior public sector union members will really benefit by overturning SB5 because the rest of the public sector union members will be laid off when the levies start failing. Public sector unions, tenure, and basing layoffs only on seniority are all detrimental to our society and have outlived their usefulness. Vote yes on Issue 2.

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5300(552 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Philo, that might be one of the most disingenuous posts I've ever seen on here.

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6fd6636(254 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

philo; BULL SH#T!!! 2008, union firefighters for the City of Youngstown take two year wage freeze so city can RETAIN their young firefighters. Now, follow me........... They then voted thru collective bargining to REDUCE the starting wage for incomming firefighters( thats what you SB5 supporters want) so they could hire more firefighters to reach safe levels for firefighting in Youngstown. Now Philo, tell me where do they eat their young? Police did the same thing!! 2011. Took ANOTHER voluntary pay freeze for the next three years to obtain and retain their young .Saved the city of Youngstown over 2 million in the last three years!!! Your theory on the subject Philo: DEBUNKED!!! VOTE NO ON ISSUE 2!!! WHAT HAS KASICH DONE TO REDUCE COSTS AT THE STATE LEVEL?? CUT OUR BUDGETS BY 50%, THATS WHY WE HAVE A RECORD 1100 LEVIES ON THE STATE WIDE BALLOTS THIS YEAR. YOUR IDIOT LEADER IS CHOKING US OUT, AND YOU REPUBLIDIOTS OUT THERE KEEP SUPPORTING IT. YOU THINK ITS ALL GOOD, WAIT UNTIL HE PERSONALLY AFFECTS YOU. THEN, DON'T BITCH, WHATS DONE IS DONE!!! ISSUE 2 IS TOO DANGEROUS, GOVERMENT SOCIALIST, OVERREACHING BILL THAT MUST BE DEFEATED.

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7Oop81269(16 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Let me give you some info directly from SB5. If an employee is SUSPECTED of taking part in a strike he forfits TWICE his daily pay for those days that he is SUSPECTED of having taken part in the strike, but, it is up to the employee to PROVE that he did not take part in the strike (what if he was in the hospital) and has to sign a sworn affidavit and go to court to get his money back. 12 People APPOINTED by the Governor, President of the Senate, and the Speaker of the house; all of these get paid out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and reimbursed for all "operating expenses paid for out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and according to Ohio Revised Code 124.15 which means that the can make as much as $32.00 per hour for a 40 hour week and they don't pay for their health care because they are state appointees and get it for FREE! (2) Members shall receive compensation fixed pursuant to division
(J)(A) of section 124.15 of the Revised Code and shall be reimbursed from
the school employees health care fund for actual and necessary expenses
incurred in the performance of their official duties as members of the board. THEN there are another 18 bureaucrats appointed to watch over these 12, all with the same free ride. Oh and I almost forgot, They also get to hire their own aides and these get paid for out of the SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND. For each and every profession listed in these adds they are going to add more bureaucrats that will cost even more tax payer money. How does any of this sound right to you? Don't beleive me?
OK, here is something to actually read.
At the very least make an educated vote and don't be one of the "sheepeople" blindly following a political party. Here is a link to all 304 pages.
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload...
Project Vote Smart condensed version.
http://www.votesmart.org/election_bal...

And this page will link you to all the ballot issues in Ohio.
http://www.votesmart.org/election_bal...

This page allows you to look up all the Ohio Revised Codes that the are talking about.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc

Copy and paste these links into your browser. Get informed. Make an informed vote!

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