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300 protest corporate greed as Occupation of Youngstown begins



Published: Sat, October 15, 2011 @ 1:21 p.m.

300 protest corporate greed as Occupation of Youngstown begins

Staff report

YOUNGSTOWN

About 300 demonstrators gathered in downtown Youngstown this afternoon to rally against corporate greed and state Issue 2 as part of a growing national protest movement.

Occupy Youngstown demonstrators carried signs, led petition drives and listened to speakers, most of whom assailed what they viewed as exploitative policies of banking institutions and corporate America.

“Wall Street started the war, and we the people will finish it,” Democrat state Rep. Robert Hagan of Youngstown told a fired-up crowd.

Jacob Harver, an organizer of Occupy Youngstown and owner of the Lemon Grove Cafe in downtown Youngstown, said “there’s nothing wrong with making money in a business.” But he added there is a big problem with the “exploitation” used by many big corporations.

He also called Senate Bill 5 ”the best thing to happen in Ohio in a long time." That's because it has awakened many people and drawn them out to protest and become active, he said.

SB 5 would weaken collective-bargaining rights for public employees in Ohio. State Issue 2 on the Nov. 8 ballot asks voters to support or reject its enactment.

Alice Lynd, longtime Mahoning Valley social activist, urged those at the rally to keep the movement nonviolent.

“Don’t give in to disillusionment and despair,” she told them. “We need people to keep on keeping on.”

Read the full story on the Occupy Youngstown rally Sunday in The Vindicator and on Vindy.com.


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1DOLE2(594 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Go get a job.

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2AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The irony of it: they are wanting to occupy a city which has steadily become unoccupied.

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3DOLE2(594 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Good one Augie!

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4redvert(2064 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Good point Augie, but that is what the TEAT party is all about. It is amusing that they want to represent Ytown. It fits them perfectly, it is all yours. Too bad they did not have their get together on the Southside Been nice to see all of them ducking and weaving. Oh! wait, the local entrepreneurs would of been part of the gathering.

And no TEATERS, you do not represent all of the 99% you claim to represent.

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5bareback1(41 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Heads will roll now and things will change. Yeah, right! LOL!

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6lovedrama(138 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Glad to see agreat turnout for a wonderful cause! It is time to eliminate corporate greed. And I do have a job, you morons.

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7DwightK(1256 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

You guys crack me up. These people have legitimate grievances about how corporations outsource jobs, buy influence and make sure they pay people a third world wage. So they go demonstrate and march.

Why are you sitting on your couch posting sarcastic messages? What's your plan?

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8Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Losers must hate somebody and the occupiers are the flavor of the week. It will pass and they will find somebody else .

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9Politico(27 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

God helps those who help themselves. Which states are doing pretty well? Union states, or right to work states? Do you hear workers at the Marysville Honda plant whining about how bad the have it without a union? Nope. They like it. How about the folks who thought they could live the high life on credit cards, buy a house with no money down, no cash, no reserves, couldn't make the payments, no investment? So...just walk away and dump the costs on the rest of us. How about the GREEDY realtors who kept driving the prices of houses higher and higher to reap large profits, knowing that the prices were fake? Yea, some banks screwed over some people, and some bankers walked with obscene bonuses, but the vast majority of the problems were created by at greedy public who refused to live within their means, and wanted more and more stuff. Sooner or later it comes crashing down. It was the perfect financial storm, and a large part of the mortagage problems can be directly tied to the Community Reinvestment Act and Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Fannie Mae, and their ilk. The facts are there, and on Youtube in their own works. They can't deny it when there are caught in their own lies on camera.

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10arod(264 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

These are the modern day hippies, get a job and please un-occupy your parents basements. You might also want to refresh the bong water.

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11jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

the message of angry vindy.com republicans:

"it's ok for millionaires and billionaires to make more money regardless of how unethically and illegally they do it, but those who disagree with it are socialist hippies. it's also not ok for middle class workin' folk to make a fair living wage. after all, we're peasants who serve the rich and famous."

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12jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

also, "a public employee with a master's degree should sure as hell not be making more than the private employee with a high school diploma. bump these leeches to minimum wage."

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13Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The welfare mentality would like to liquidate all of the corporations and share in the spoils . . . ..

Neither a poor man nor government has ever given me a job . . . ..

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14author50(1121 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Let's see - Comrade Bob Hagan owes everything to the taxpayer and so does Comrade Jacob Harver. Who do they they think pays the taxes that have helped them - the government?

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15epictetus(7 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I haven't read this rag in a month, and the first thing I see is the Augie. Truly a disgusting human being.

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16AugieTx(15 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Welcome back, epi! A shame you're still so angry about life. But a positive note: nice to see you've quit resorting to putting Wikipedia links as part of your insightful comments. You're growing -- ^5! (btw -- did you have fun at the rally downtown with your comrades?)

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17LtMacGowan(643 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Up the Unions, Down with S.B. 5.

Saying anything else is pointless. the true people's voice will be heard on election day.

The shame is even when S.B. 5 is defeated the Tea baggers will continue to think they represent the majority. They would do well to research "Confirmation Bias" and "False Consensus Effect"

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18Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The welfare mentality
Vote for Stan the man we need a new sheriff in town and his is our man. Stan is a go getter He's got all the right moves , quick wit and the best ideas to stop the bums
VOTE FOR STAN make him the write in candidate

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19jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

"Neither a poor man nor government has ever given me a job . . . .."

then stop blaming the government for lack of jobs.....since that isn't their responsibility.

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

These fools want to tax the job creators out of existence . . ..

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21theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

What are you haters so afraid of ? Are you scared that maybe they may actually have legitimate complaints? What is the difference between them and baggers, their using their rights just like baggers to show what they stand for.We are all riding on the backs of the earlly unions who made corps treat workers fairlly Have some union rules gone too far,yes, lets change those rules. Because sometime soon the corps/gov will go in with trained soldiers like they have done in the past to beat and kill any one that dos'ent agree w/ them.

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22theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Stan where are the jobs they promised with tax cut extenstions

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23VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I have to admit it ... Wall Street does control much of what we do today.

They sell us gasoline...
They sell us our food we eat...
They sell us the clothes we wear...
They are our employers ...
They are our 401K plan...

And they pay out dividends that we are all wringing our hands over for lack of growth.

Stockholders and 401K's are squeezing Wall Street for better growth and better dividends, which forces corporations to squeeze employees, merge facilities, and cut costs. During times when economic conditions prevents growth, investors, as in stockholders and 401k's, become more demanding because their income is down.

Despite Wall Street's shortcomings, destroying Wall Street will only destroy the very fiber of our lives as we know it.

Welcome to Wall Street...We are them.

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24jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

"These fools want to tax the job creators out of existence . . .."

taxes are lower than they've ever been. pick another talking point.

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25ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Here we go. I told you folks Commie Bobbie would be the Chair person of Occupy emptyville, Youngstown, a "city" with 44% of it's lots vacant.

We have Frick and Frack running the local occupy movement: Hagan and Harver.

Those two have been joined at the hip on several prior occasions.

I'd feel much better if Harver would come clean on exactly how many handouts he received from local and state entities (i.e. taxpayer monies) to start and continue Lemon Grove.

I have a problem when people on the public dole use those funds to set up essentially a political action committee posing as a business.

We frown when non profits (churches) do such and abuse status, but not when a business like Lemon Grove does.

/ But he added there is a big problem with the “exploitation” used by many big corporations. /

I do agree with this statement by Harver. Is Harver paying his employees a living wage and healthcare benefits?

We've heard comments here before about how Harver mistreats his employees. Always glad to see others come out calling the spade card.

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26Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

theoldwrench :

"Stan where are the jobs they promised with tax cut extenstions . "

Ask the City Leaders . Ooooppps, they are too busy generating a spending plan on Wick Park . . ..

jrolley325 :

"taxes are lower than they've ever been. pick another talking point."

So, I see that your aren't paying any taxes so you don't mind their being raised . . ..

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27jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

what you just said made absolutely no sense. angry teapubs have been clamoring that tax cuts for the rich will lead to more jobs. they continue to get their way, but there are still no private sector jobs. you somehow correlate that to city leaders having a spending plan? you really are senile.

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28jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

either that or just drunk

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

You seem to be a bit slow . . ..

Starting a business within the city is a bit beyond your comprehension . . .

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30jrolley325(800 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

we're not talking about the city. we're talking about the country. you've been screaming that the rich need tax cut extensions in order to hire people. you got your wish and the unemployment is still the same.

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31ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Let us not get too off course and point at each other :)

Us normal working folks aren't the problem. The power structures are the problem (politicians, big business, local, state and federal regulatory agencies).

/ you've been screaming that the rich need tax cut extensions in order to hire people. /

The rich, especially the mega rich (billionaires and those making 10's of millions and not pay squat for taxes) need a slapdown. We should start charging them for their criminal deeds and threaten to charge them as traitors.

We gave a special 2004 tax repatriation holiday for mega business tax cheats. Companies like Cisco and GE brought back tons of cash and paid a puny 5% tax rate on money that should have been seized as criminal proceeds.

The net result of that? Companies like Cisco and GE cut jobs and continue to.

At the same time you have aholes like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who use every financial contraption created to preserve all their financial gains.

Morons like Buffet complaining about themselves not paying their share, should just pay their damn fair share and quite playing games. It's a big smoke and mirrors BS scam Buffet is on lately. Same thing with Gates and leaving their money in trusts and non profits - nice way to again, retain and shelter.

As bad as these people are, the corporations they run are arguably worse. GE pays little to no taxes contrary to how they argue the point. The hold trillions collectively overseas and have such there avoid paying their taxes here in the United States. They are tax cheats and are contributing to heavier tax burden on citizens and non funding for many core government programs (i.e. roads, infrastructure, etc.)

/ clamoring that tax cuts for the rich will lead to more jobs /

Tax cuts on the rich will lead to more wealth disparity and better returns to investors. The investors part does have a net benefit under current system as many 401k's are in the market and so are retirement plans.

That is most sustain/maintain money and won't do much if anything for creating jobs.

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32ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I am on the fence about the Obama team's intents since they took office.

Is Obama attacking capitalism? In some ways.

My concern with the administration is and will remain it's refusal to regulate Wall Street and big businesses which it keeps funneling money to and treating "special" while taking a dump on small businesses and entrepreneurs.

We can find all this money for banks and companies that literally were engaging in casino like gambling, but cannot apply this money towards lending to small businesses?

Federal contracts go almost solely to big businesses. Meanwhile, for the past decade all the job growth appears to have come not from the big businesses, but rather from small businesses.

Where Obama really dropped the ball was on the healthcare mockery and giving waivers again, to these huge corporations while crushing small businesses.

I wouldn't lay people off or close my doors due to this or any other administration. I'd take it to their a$$es if I felt they were truly doing stupid things to my detriment.

Odds are, aside from these examples, your small business isn't being so directly harmed by the Whitehouse or the re-emerging communist/socialist movement.

The matters of inherent fairness typically again, don't apply to the small business man or woman. There isn't the scale or monetary enrichment to regulate them in such ways.

Small businesses are and always have been the backbone of America. We should support them, spend our money with them and foster more of them.

Occupy movements OUGHT TO BE OUT PROTESTING in WALMART's parking lots. They are one of the biggest offenders, non union, telling their employees to mop up public subsidies (welfare), not insuring workers, importing massively from China all while making stock holders and the original founders family members very wealthy. Heck, Walmart makes up 10% of all grocery purchases in the entire United States. Just imagine the market share if they opened within the inner cities.

As always, the real rulers build their kingdoms of wealth of the broken backs of the working class.

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33slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

stan rears his ugly head once again not making a single valid point. stan are you slow? the "job creators' ? where are these mythical jobs created you conservatives claim exist?

"Ask the City Leaders . Ooooppps, they are too busy generating a spending plan on Wick Park "

that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. what do the city leaders have anything to do with your imaginary job creators? if you cant answer a question then shut up

"So, I see that your aren't paying any taxes so you don't mind their being raised "'
so you have a crystal ball in front of you? they never said they aren't paying taxes

and once again i have to remind you not everyone that votes democrat is a liberal. just like not every republican is a complete moron like yourself

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34MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

- UHMMMM YEA OK - it was Wall Steert that create the cracklaicain empire of Youngstown not the poli-tricking mutants that turned this area into a ghetto fab junkyard - for thriving areas to ship garbage to. .. Youngstown continues to corrode- from of the Meth-and crack -polution - replalcing the manufactoring chemicals of 5o years ago.All that Youngstown has left for potentail job creation -are those of the Corps .We should be an area that welcomes all jobs. Any Jobs- the people at occupy Youngstown's with their misguided cause - only exhibets our areas reluctance to evolve - emerge from a dead zone area that hosts more empty store fronts- homes than actual citizens.News Flash- no one is moving to Youngstown- Wall Street HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT...

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35Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

slappysmith once again has no valid excuses for his lack of wisdom . . ..

http://www.maxgalleries.com/store/sto...

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36Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

"These fools want to tax the job creators out of existence . . .."- - - Job creators?: Yeah in China .

Tax out of existence ? The only thing going out of existence is the middle class and decent products.

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37Redchick2006(3 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

. If you are blind to what's going on in our country, than I feel sorry for you!! Before you run around talking about how "pointless" these protests are, do some research!!!! Check the numbers and you will see for yourself.

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38Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

These protests ARE pointless. I researched what these people want (you know, their list of 12 demands), and it is socialist nonsense. If you think free education, free healthcare, $20 an hour minimum wage, and 100% debt forgiveness is going to create jobs, you are wrong.

It is nothing more than a race to the bottom and an excuse to shirk all personal responsibility onto the shoulders of government.

Yeah, I've seen the numbers. But if you are going to lay all of the responsibility of those numbers at the feet of the corporations that actually create jobs, then there is a problem with the logic.

If you have a grievance, take it up with your president and Congress. They set the rules for the business environment, not the corporations.

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39Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

If you have a grievance, take it up with your president and Congress. They set the rules for the business environment, not the corporations. - - -Yeah because we don't have the best government money can buy.Good grief you have to be kidding.

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40howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Just an update most of those involved in the #OccupyYoungstown movement are:
1. Employed or own their own businesses.
2. Have their own homes/familes and thus responsibilities.
3. Are involved in other organizations actively involved in improving Youngstown.
4. and many have AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, and Phd degrees.

I would think that many of those ranting on here would be capable of coming downtown and actually talking with those of us standing up for all of our rights.
We are having another rally this coming Saturday and you are all invited. At the last rally we had speakers from all political, ethnic and economic backgrounds. At least 5 of the speakers were black, at least 2 from the Gay & Lesbian community, people from the city and from the suburbs. I am a member of the Green Party and we had speakers that identify with the Tea Party as well as Ron Paul.
I think you would be hard pressed to find a more diverse group of people in the Mahoning Valley.

While repealing SB5 by voting no on Issue 2 is important to me and many others in the OY group, it is by no means our only or primary issue.
I think that if we were to take a vote every one of us wants to either overturn the SCOTUS CitizensUnited vs. FEC decision or fight for a Constitutional amendment to keep all big money out of the political process.

If you have anymore questions please come down to Federal Square and ask us, we have been talking with bankers, stock brokers, lawyers, police officers, city workers, and everyday people just stopping by to get cash out of the ATM.
We would be happy to share what we have with anyone willing to listen or share their experience.

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