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Occupy Youngstown to target Wall Street and state Issue 2



Published: Thu, October 13, 2011 @ 12:10 a.m.

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Members of Occupy Youngstown make plans at the Lemon Grove Café for a Saturday rally in downtown Youngstown. They are, from left, Rick Montanez of Lowellville, an unidentified man, Joseph Nestasie of Hillsville, Pa., and Lauren Lenio of Boardman.

OCCUPY YOUNGSTOWN

If you go

What: Occupy Youngstown protest.

When: Noon on Saturday.

Where: Downtown Youngstown at Market and Federal streets.

Why: To protest the disparity between the top 1 percent of income earners and the bottom 99 percent; to protest the corporate lobbying in the political system.

Contact info: www.facebook.com/occupyytown2011 or via Twitter using the hashtag #OccupyYoungstown. The group will also host a news conference at 3 p.m. today at The Lemon Grove.

Source: Brandon Smith, Occupy Youngstown spokesman

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Mae Thompson, 67, protests Wednesday in Cleveland as part of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The demonstration is one of many across the country. An Occupy Youngstown protest will be Saturday in downtown Youngstown. The origins of the movement come from Canada and the Middle East.

By Karl Henkel

khenkel@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

Occupy Wall Street has met with mixed reactions in recent weeks.

The group, which asserts the country’s wealthiest citizens have led to stripped-down living conditions for the so-called “99 percent of Americans,” has been met with backlash by some and support by others.

Others have just been confused.

Occupy Youngstown, however, an offshoot of the original movement, hopes to pinpoint its exact objectives before Saturday’s noon rally at Market and Federal streets downtown.

Its organizers say one thing it won’t be is a replica of the arrest-filled demonstrations on Wall Street.

Instead, group organizers, who expect between 50 and 300 participants Saturday, say it will have a local twist.

The group will take on Issue 2, also known as Senate Bill 5, which if passed in November, will curb some collective-bargaining rights for public employees.

But in a time when Democrats can’t work with Republicans and when most of the “99 percent” abhors the wealthy, Issue 2 appears to split a group’s mission.

“It is to a certain extent,” Brandon Smith, a spokesman for the Occupy Youngstown movement. “But when it comes down to it, a big issue of ‘the 99 percent’ is workers’ rights and that’s tied to Senate Bill 5.”

Issue 2 may be the hot-button issue here in the Mahoning Valley, but the group also hopes to educate the public about positive changes going on in the region.

“There are groups and individuals here trying to revitalize the community,” Smith said.

One of those leading the revitalization is Jacob Harver, owner of The Lemon Grove Caf , which has hosted Occupy Youngstown’s meetings.

“We’re not simply whining or complaining about the national economy,” Harver said. “We, as Youngstown, are doing some things to make it a sustainable and prosperous economy.”

The group still will align itself with Occupy Wall Street, even though this area includes only two of the top 10 banks in America.

But it doesn’t agree with the narrow focus on Wall Street and corporations, which are playing within the rules and guidelines set forth by the federal government.

Harver mentioned last year’s landmark Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court, which allows corporations to donate unlimited funds to campaigns.

“The bigger issue is that the politicians allow these loopholes and deregulations to continue,” Smith said. “There needs to be a more ‘Occupy Washington’ focus.”

Wall Street, however, continues to be the focus, especially with a new movement, “Bank Transfer Day.”

That group’s Facebook page — which had more than 26,000 fans as of Wednesday morning — urges “the 99 percent” to remove money from major banking institutions and transfer it to a local bank or credit union by Nov. 5.

“We will send a clear message to the 1 percent that conscious consumers won’t support companies with unethical business practices,” the page reads, referring to practices like forced foreclosures.

“Bank Transfer Day” may have its limitations, said John Gulas, president and CEO of Farmers National Banc Corp. because deposits are just one piece to the overall banking pie.

“Community banks’ lending limits kind of create the need for larger institutions,” he said. “It would have more of an impact if the entire relationship shifted to community banks.”

Smith thinks it will still make a point, however.

“This is a great way to send a message to these banks,” Smith said, “to hit ‘em in the wallet.”


Comments

1ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Can you say Democrat operatives trying to get Bill 5 voted down. Seems like it. Good for them I suppose, jump on the bandwagon.

/ “We’re not simply whining or complaining about the national economy,” Harver said. “We, as Youngstown, are doing some things to make it a sustainable and prosperous economy.” /

Of course Harver has sucked up his share of government handout money too. Lest we forget.

You can tell the politics when that sustainable word usually is injected.

Sustainable would be reaching in your pocket for the investment capital, starting a business and paying folks living wages and expanding to other businesses and encouraging your employees, customers, etc. to do the same.

/ Harver mentioned last year’s landmark Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court, which allows corporations to donate unlimited funds to campaigns. /

Democrat whining and justly so. But where's the solution? It's fine when Unions are doing the same sort of stunts?!?!?!

Real change would be setting election limits that are very believable low, no donations at all. How about $5 million for presidential election, on the taxpayer dime. No donations from anyone. No big fancy expensive media buys either. That would make sense, wouldn't it?

Who wants to wager that Buckwheat Hagan will be visible at the Occupy Saturday event? He's never one to pass on media coverage.

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2UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Occupy Youngstown is being hijacked by the Vote No on Issue 2 greedy selfish public employee unions and their Dumbocratic allies losing it's focus. Forget them!

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3author50(1121 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well put thinker and the others. Boycott The Lemon Grove! Harver has received all sorts of perks from being a buddy of Comrade Bob Hagan. Harver gets a liquor license on the cheap because of the special district that Comrade Bob created for Harver and the other bloodsuckers who couldn't open up a bar, business or apartment complex WITHOUT taxpayers funds. The taxpayers monies don't come from the poor and the college students. It comes from the middle class and rich who create jobs and pay their taxes.

I would bet a beer that Comrade Bob will be there with a rolled up SPINdicator as his bull horn and Loooie Free (who pays NO taxes) will be banging a garbage can lid as his drum.

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4glbtactivist(245 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

About time Youngstown caught up with the national disgust of the theft of the middle class income by the top 1%. Too bad the Vindy reporter had to inject his pro-wall street comments throughout his report on the Occupy Youngstown movement.

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5ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Oh look, here's a video with the local organizers :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUICB...

Look, who do we see?

Occupy Movement = Obama youth movement circa 2008.

If this isn't partisan why have the Occupy folks in many places been anti tea party?

Lots of overlap if both groups are truly what they say.

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6db(280 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Anyone been in Harver's place, The Lemon Grove? WHAT A DUMP. My wife & I went for dinner and the place was dirty, rundown, and the food was typical barfood; sandwiches & potato chips. Definitely not worth returning to. It reminded us of a place trying too hard to be hip with beat up fixtures and tables & chairs directly from Goodwill. Our table was wobbling so bad it spilled my drink. If our tax dollars went to this guy, we got screwed. Perhaps it's the perfect headquarters for this malcontent hippie-wannabe demonstration.

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7misterlee(118 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UnionForever, are you capable of making a point without ad hominem attacks? Do you know how uneducated you come off sounding saying stuff like "dumbocrats" all the time?

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8db(280 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UnionForever, you are doing just fine. A dumbocrat is nothing more than... a tax-taking dumbocrat!

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9Attis(873 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Occupy Youngstown, part of Occupy America, takes place at the Civil War monument which is dedicated to honor those who gave their lives to abolish slavery in the Second American Revolution. Many American patriots also gave their lives to abolish feudalism in the First American Revolution. How many lives will be sacrificed to abolish capitalism in this the Third American Revolution? Some are already mentioned on the nearby Vietnam Memorial. Power concedes nothing without a struggle.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The libs are just salivitating over any wealth that is left in the country with the intent of destroying it . We are headed for destination "THIRD WORLD" !

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11howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

As a small business owner in Youngstown I am participating in Occupy Youngstown, because the banks refuse to lend me money for my business which would allow me to hire workers, but they will bend over backwards to lend me money for a new car which I don't need or want. I have been to both local and national banks trying to get money I have a credit score of over 700 and my business has been making a profit since day one over 2 and a half years ago. I am one of the 99%!

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12walter_sobchak(1891 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

thethinker,
You see the situation for exactly what it is. With the bailouts under Bush and Obama, the govt decided the winners and losers, not the free market. Companies that adhere to poor business practices need to be allowed to go out of business. There was quite enough capital in the US to purchase the assets of the poorly run banks, especially in the Mid-west. But, the govt rewarded them, instead. This country needs another Teddy Roosevelt to take on the large US multi-national corporations and public employee unions.

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13MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I wonder if these people can figure out where the garbage cans are or will they stick to the s o p - leave heaps of garbage that haz-mat has to come in and clean up ? Angry Crack-House Commies Huge fatso's with end table thighs inhaling pizza - toting Hitler Youth posters - are known to trash public parks - damage marble at a vintage state house- leaving the tax payers to pick up a 6 mill clean up tab.Youngstown - is the perfect venue for trash tossing moops - because no one will notice the trash and garbage heaps here.

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14MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Will there be a local chapter of the - SHOP LIFTERS OF THE WORLD UNITE AND TAKE OVER - rep pur senting?Will there be a local chapter of Geezers who never paid back a penny for their 40 year old student loans?

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15redvert(2056 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I congratulate all of you that ragged on the Tea party for wanting less taxes. You show that you are founding members of the TEAT Party.

Lets hear it for the TEAT PARTY!!!

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16borylie(790 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Who is Obama's biggest campaign donor? Wall Street. Even more than the unions.

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17MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

will there be a local chapter of gobomint feedbaggers unite - demanding less taxes despite the fact they have collected welfare for over 3o years- never paid any taxes ?- That should bring a huge flash mob rep-pur senting this area.

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18Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

“The bigger issue is that the politicians allow these loopholes and deregulations to continue,” Smith said. “There needs to be a more ‘Occupy Washington’ focus.”

It amazes me how uninformed folks can be.

WRONG. The focus is correct the bankers/corporations run Washington.You go to the source not a branch that once removed can be replaced by another bought off branch. Wake up and wise up!

People vote one group of rascals out only to be replaced by another -there is no difference.Grow a brain.

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19MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

will this be a loser fest- that ends up with a 70 year old senator knocked off a bar stool brawling with a college kid -

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20Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

MARGEOMATIC -- Your post was a waste of time.In case you haven't noticed people in this country and around the globe are growing tired of bank/ corporate bailouts which is a nice way of saying corporate welfare.

They are tired of the job losses seeing jobs move overseas thanks to free trade agreements, tired of home values sinking dollar devaluation and sky rocketing food costs .They are stealing us blind .Do some home work on how the Federal Reserve was founded and there policies.

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21AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Too bad so many middle class workers defend the rich, wealthy, and famous. And seem to think the repub politicians will stand up for them.

Its funny how so many teapubbers say GM should not have been bailed out. And their employess make a good living. But the same teapubbers don't say anything about banks being bailed out, and their tellers get paid so very little. The same teapubbers think oil companies should be given billions in tax right offs, while some middle class firefighter risking their life for us, are overpaid and too many bene's. Teapubbers will support wall street in new York, but not their next door neighbor in Ohio. SAD, Very Sad.

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22Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Excellent post Jessedavidd. You get it. Wall Street owns them ALL.All candidates that will ever have a shot at winning.They will try to make Paul look like an idiot although he holds a PHD and is highly intelligent.He is opposed to the current banking system which is ripping us off.

People need to forget the right -left thing two wings -same bird. The Banks/ corporations run the show including all the major press. Think I'm kidding read the sponsors next time you watch your favorite cable news.Exxon -owned by the Rockefeller' s.- -You won't get the truth from them.

The Tea Party was founded by real Americans who were opposed to the ills of illegal immigration not a Republican piece of wax fruit.But that is what happens when a well meaning group gets co opted.

The same can be said of Occupy Wall Street-the press wants to pain t them out to be lefty s who are unorganized- - -B.S. They the majority of them no they are being screwed and by whom.But watch as the attempt to co opt the real intentions goes on.

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23MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

will the streched far too thin - ypd - that have nothing better to do in our city esp on weekends -waste resource dealing with splats of losers-bent on creating petty scenes worthy of arrest- while people in our city are still being shot to death-?Gheesh GROW UP !

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24Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Folks please understand both mainstream parties are in on the feed.You won't get a fair shake from either.

The Federal Reserve which is a private for profit bank is running our country and people are sick of it.It is unconstitutional as this is the job of Congress.

There are lots of books and plenty of sources online that are well documented for getting informed on the subject.

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25BrandonSmith(7 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

For those attacking my comment that there needs to be more focus on Occupying Washinton...Mr. Henkel only used the end of my statement for his piece. The statement in it's entirety was something along the lines of "I think the focus on Wall Street is dead on. We have to keep our sights on the financial sector since they're largely the source of the problem. But we need to start to split our focus a bit onto Washington. The bigger problem...etc." As in, the banking industry and multinational conglomerates are the ones exploiting us, but they're doing it legally through tax loopholes like The Double Irish and The Dutch Sandwich, and because of the push since the Reagan administration to do away with legislation like the Glass-Steagall act of 1933 that kept them in check. If we don't force our politicians to close these loopholes, regulate them, and prosecute the business criminals, we don't have much of a chance. It needs to be a two-headed front.

The issue at hand here is that we're allowing these corporations and banks to shirk their tax responsibilities, and in doing so build up large pools of capital. They then use that money to buy out other companies, eliminate competition, and fund special interest groups and PACs that ensure people get elected that will continue to fight for their interests and not the people's. If they have the capital sitting in offshore accounts to buy out competitors and contribute to campaign funds, why wasn't that used to reinvest in their businesses instead of your tax dollars? To say nothing of the private fortunes these men hold that could and should (if they care about their business) have been used

As for being Dems in disguise, there are a fair share of people in the movement who identify with that moniker. I however am an independent who has been vocal about my belief that both parties sold us down the river more than 30 years ago, and that we need to abolish the two-party system. If the group was some puppet for the Democrats, why would they choose someone who thinks their two party stranglehold needs to end as a spokesman? Whether you want to admit it or not, we're common citizens of varying backgrounds trying to voice our opinions in the only way we believe to be still viable.

Furthermore our focus is to educate the public, and bring issues to the forefront that up until a few months ago were largely ignored by the general public. That's what this is about, and if you don't like that, it's well within your rights to obtain a permit and stage a counter demonstration, or just continue to attack us from the comfort of your homes. That's your right as an American, and one I strongly believe in.

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26Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

MARGEOMATIC - -"Petty scenes worthy of arrest" - -If they are petty scenes how are they worthy of arrest?- - -Like exercising their rights under the Constitution?

Please move to China. - - - I won't say what I think of your intellect.Use your imagination.

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27MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

many of the sublectuals arrested at nyc 's event are angry because they think student loans are free and do not have to be paid back . They fit the typical profile - 25 year olds that have business degrees - yet could not figure out how a credit card works -maxing them OUT - handing thier parents the bill. GHEESH - GROW UP !

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28Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

BrandonSmith - -- Thanks for informing us of the error. I agree the lion share is on banks/corporations.

Chasing D.C. politicians and replacing them with other puppets hasn't worked for decades but I know where you are coming from.They allow and create legislation that gives the banks the green light.

There are sources online and offline for people to investigate as well.

Thanks again for having the courage to stand up for what is the truth.

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29Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Do the best you can there are some on here who are able to wake up and see who has been screwing them and others who just drink the cool aid-forget them - -you'll get more sense out of a rock.

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30Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

MARG "Student loans free "-- - -what a crock.I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't someone planted .The majority of thousands of folks are there with anti-Wall Street signs but they let a plant or ding dong speak instead. But the press isn't owned by the banks/ corporations right?

Come on.What do you expect the owned press to say? Your correct the bailouts were a rip off and the deregulation was criminal?Wakey uppy.

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31Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Jessiedavid I am with you on all except the unions.However we agree on an awful lot.I too want us free from the debt squeeze the criminal bank has on us.For every dollar they create out of thin air they charge us interest.The biggest scam in history.Because we have nothing backing it no gold no silver nothing but paper- not even real paper.

So it is greatly devalued and the catch 22 is they need to print more which means it has less purchasing power and that is why our standard of living is in the crapper well that and the other stuff mentioned.

This has been the way of it since 1913 and with the creation of the Federal Reserve by 1933 gold was taken from Americans by 1972 I believe Nixon took gold away from the dollar as international trade currency and it has been a down hill race since.

One president and you can google it executed an executive order to back the money by silver in 1963 June or July.It had a red seal .But that President was dead by that November.Silver was then removed from the dollars again.All this can be looked at look it up and see for yourselves.

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32MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Why not take it up with the credit card corps- that extended credit to millions of college students that maxed out - had no concept of how credit worked esp -when it came time to pay them back - the same goes for loans.Simply put everyone knows how to spend other peoples money - but paying back -- keeping a payment schedule intact was far too perplexing.Now that everyone else that paid credit card statments on time - kept a decent credit card history are forced to pay higher interest rates because of the college credit card -palooza- Jerks that caused that problem have no credit let alone credibility to cry po mouth or stomp the streets. I can see why the people paying for their mistakes think they should hang it up and try getting a job .

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33Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

MARG MARG MARG - - -Your first few lines rae spot on.- -The Banks own those cards and give them to kids who have no way of paying , get into debt and screw the parents over trying to help.

But the kids don't know crap from shinola.Why not target the banks issuing the cards instead of the ignorant kids ? The banks aren't dumb.

Now if you think the banks are raising rates because of the enslaved kids I've got swamp land for sale in Florida. Oh no they do it because they can and people do it because they are cash broke.

They are cash broke because of the very reasons I and others talked about.The banks enslave us and the Government who has to pay interest to these same private banks with our tax dollars.

The result is they hold the power can make Congress and the Pres no matter who it is do whatever they like.Read Agenda 21 if you really want to see something interesting .

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34ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

/ I am participating in Occupy Youngstown, because the banks refuse to lend me money for my business which would allow me to hire workers, but they will bend over backwards to lend me money for a new car which I don't need or want. /

I can fully agree with this situation.

Banks gave up lending to people and small businesses. They view it as work and risk.

As it has been under Obama, they have these zero interest credit borrowing lines they can procure money from. They don't need/want your lending or deposits.

What would be more appropriate in response to this is requesting auditing of these banks and regulations on them.

The upcoming November movement to dump these too big to fail banks (who keep showing up with silly fees and sky high interest rates) and switch to a local bank or credit union is the better ticket than a PROtest.

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35Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ghost - -Your on the right track. Auditing by the right folks not an in house audit like you and I know they would try to pull if they can snow the public.

An audit would confirm what we aready know though.What really needs to be done is the Federal Reserve should be dissolved .We can get back to a currency backed by a precious metal.

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36ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Agreed @Bigben.

Ron Paul has been a long enemy #1 of the Federal Reserve and still is having a strong showing the debates and various votes.

How's the power structure respond? They put the Republican Obama in there and sell him as credible.

We bought the novel concept of a black president with no experience once, it isn't going to happen twice.

Cain, continues to BS his way in debates. Claiming the fed is open and transparent.

The guys sales pitch is a freaking pizza special.

He knows how to sell the slick sweet syrup to the dope'iates. Republicans or at least those in the mainstream and loose adherents only are supporting Cain in growing numbers. I mean of course his a slick talker, he was a senior person at the Kansas City federal reserve, an insider, go figure.

What really pushed Cain? Rick Perry's racist writing stone in 1983. Funny, the Republican Obama playing the same lame fake race card.

Trippy how the Republicans are a basket load of Democrats in disguise and big money interests. Romney created Obama care arguably, Rick Perry campaigned heavily for Al Gore. Gingrich has widely supported carbon taxes. Cain is a federal reserve person.

That sure trims down the group :)

Ron Paul should line up his cabinet and VP right now and start running full bore with a strong team along for the ride.

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37HSG(121 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

How can someone support Occupy Wall Street or Occupy Youngstown and not be AGAINST Issue 2 ?? They are absolutely related ! OWE points the blame where it belongs, wall street and corporate greed and their over-reaching influence on our political system. Teachers and firefighters didn't bring on the economic collapse. They aren't the reason why the public sector is suffering! Yet, low information voters have been convinced they are to blame. Ignore the noise machine, the other side has a lot more money and can buy a lot more airtime and send a lot more misleading mailers, but, in truth, the dots don't line up quite so neatly.

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38balljangal(1 comment)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

They wanna focus on this>>>>"Issue 2 may be the hot-button issue here in the Mahoning Valley, but the group also hopes to educate the public about positive changes going on in the region."They no nothing on whats going on where the 99% where protesting on a lot more stuff then just Issue 2 and advertising on positive changes where protesting for change the USA is screwed up so you are a EPIC FAIL for just focusing on you I'm out and so are many people that were gonna go after reading that article! signing off fare well or you might see me at the protest if there is one protesting this one.

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39Woody(451 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Howard,

What kind of collaterol are you putting up for the business loan you are asking for?

See with a house or a car loan, if you default the bank can seize your asset and at least get some of their money back.

What I don't get is the unions joining the protest against corporations. One they are employed by corporations. Two I bet a big chuck of their pension funds are invested in the evil corporations.

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40redvert(2056 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

About this 99ers bit, I don't care to be grouped in this 99ers crap.

I am retired and financially secure because I looked out for my future years ago. While I was and still am against the bank bailouts, I am also against the welfare generations that has no intention of ever working because they do not have to and will continue to cast their vote for the politicians that will insure that.

I think if you look at the majority of the demonstrators you will see what I am talking about. I and many others are not part of the TEAT crowd!

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41Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

At the heart of this movement are a bunch of freeloaders who want the goverrnment to take care of their every need. $20 an hour minimum wage, free college education, free healthcare, a GUARANTEED living wage regardless of how hard or little you work, 100% debt forgiveness, etc. etc. etc. Socialist a little are we? Spend a trillion dollars on this, another trillion dollars on that, and give us an open migration policy. Mix that all up and you have the biggest SNAFU in the history of these United States. No one even knows who is going to pay for all of this stuff.

Somehow all of that is supposed to create jobs. How they made that equation work is baffling to this accountant, because to the contrary, I think this would be a job deterrant if not an outright job killer.

"It's the corporations man" and "those greedy people on Wall Street, how dare they make money". And they do all of this while messing around with their iPods, driving their cars, wearing their clothes, and sipping their $5 dollar latte's that all come from CORPORATE AMERICA.

The government set the regulations that allowed you to take out those loans that you probably knew you couldn't afford anyway when you put $0 down on that big house.

To hell with personal responsibility and knowing our own limitations, let's blame the banks and corporate America. You want to blame someone? Blame your government, blame yourself for all of the debt you took out irresponsibly, and ease up on corporate America. Without them, there would be a lot fewer jobs, and a lot fewer goods that you use every day.

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42AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

It is the greed of the businesses that took away retirements from many private sector workers. Except for places like GM, oh yea the union fought for their workers to keep retirement. Now since private sector has less unions (just like the greedy owners want) they have no retirement. So the private sector workers with no union, no retirement, no protection wants everybody else to suffer with them.

Hey private sector, lets JOIN TOGETHER and fight for what we deserve. Good pay and retirement for a good 30 years of work. Thats what unions are for. Thats why sb5 MUST be voted down. Or real soon NOBODY will ever retire. We will all be working into out 70's for low wages and GREEDY CORPORATE AMERICA will have exactly what they want.

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43Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Alex - -The heart of the backlash is against the bankers/corporations who are ruining the country.people are pissed because they have lost jobs , lost value in their homes have a devalued currency, students who shouldn't have had credit cards ECT. You can buy into the fake media owned by the very corporations being protested against if you like or you can open your eyes.

Regardless of what the dumbed down folks think we lost so many jobs in this country it will take decades to replace them.Every city in the nation is protesting Wall Street because the crooks at the Federal Reserve /Wall Street guys caused this countries troubles.They own the politicians and the press.

The people you see being interviewed are nothing more than a few plants and fringe folks.The majority are opposed to the crooked banking .This is not only in the US but global,Things have turned violent over seas,People are fed up.

The welfare doled out to people is at the price of slave wage jobs.No work no welfare this has been the case since the 1990s so get educated.

Next the corporations should be paying these folks decent wages so they wouldn't need government assistance.This is the truth.The corporations are the enemy.

Any assistance folks are getting is to keep them from taking what is yours. It is to pacify them.When people go hungry they have nothing left to loose. When folks have lost their homes through deregulation of banking laws- they have nothing left to loose.Getting the picture.

Just because someone is retired by the way doesn't mean that they won't take it from you -they have and will continue to suck you dry through increases in co pays and other means.They don't give a crap how many years you worked they will steal it because they can.

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44Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I will tell you something else while I'm at it the dope the comes here is grown in Afghanistan you can search out Fox news YouTube US soldiers guarding opium fields.

Wise up folks you have been living in the Matrix.You want to be upset about tax dollars well yours according to this clip are buying fertilizer for the dope fields. But hey go on complaining about life in the hood .

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45Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

In my opinion if things do get ugly here at home the elite would stick their police state in as fast as they can.

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46redvert(2056 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Hey citizen, hate to break it to you but I retired very well from a non union company after 30 years. Of course you need to understand that I advanced based on my ability, not when the bubba that had one more day seniority than me died or quit.

As you can probably guess, I am not a supporter of your TEAT party but I also do not agree with all the policies of the pubs either. See, I can think for myself.

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47Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

JesseDaivid - - -Again good points.I am aware of Skull and Bones. The secret meetings our politicians visit with bankers and corporatism leaders across the globe. The press doesn't report on the meetings although they are supposed to be our elected officials.You are correct.

We no longer have a nation per say but we are a trade block with Canada and Mexico.The whole globe is going away from nation states in favor of trade blocks.And the middle class has indeed been targeted for extinction .

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48Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Woody - - Of course their "pensions are invested in the evil corporations . "

What is your point?

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49Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

thethinker- - - the banks screwed people big time and had a plan to do so through deregulating pre existing laws that dated back to the last big pillage of the 1930s when the wonderful bankers /corporations bought up all they could for pennies on the dollar.

People lying- let me tell you people were encouraged to take on more than they could handle and the loans were deceptive intentionally so.Those kind of loans should have never seen the light of day.It was INTENTIONAL.

What happened to the head of the NY Federal Reserve during the Bush building boom-he became head of the treasury department under Obama .So much for party affiliations huh?

I asked loads of folks including developers in 2005 why all the unnecessary building why are you building so much? Oh homes are selling .

To all I would see I asked don't you think these variable interest loans are dangerous? Answer- We can always sell after living in it for a while. They thought it would go on forever but they were duped.

The question is should they have allowed to have been duped? The answer is NO.

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50Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

BigBen, and the unions don't own the politicians and the press? It wasn't the corporations that were having private meetings with the president to cut deals for the shareholders in regards to healthcare. It was the unions that were trying to cut deals for their membership.

That is access if I ever saw it, and judging by the campaign finance reports, unions spend billions and billions of dollars a year buying off politicians. We see that locally every day.

Maybe unions are the enemy here too, but it seems they are always given a free pass locally because it is the popular thing to do here.

Yes, people lost jobs and yes, people lost value in their homes. I don't disagree, it is a terrible thing. But what Occupy Wall Street is proposing is ludicrous.

1.) Students and credit cards. No one forced them to sign up, and if you are over 18, you are an adult. You don't have to sign up for anything. Do I think there are some issues with credit that need fixed? Sure, but not enough to warrant a 100% debt forgiveness.

2.) You are making references to a lot of laws, and if you should be mad at anyone it is the government. The government creates the environment for doing business and establishes a number of laws relating to banking. Corporations operate within the bounds given by the government, so maybe your anger is misguided.

3.) How do you define a decent wage? That is very subjective. In reality, not everyone can make $20 an hour. If you bump the minimum wage to $20, what about the people who got their education and are currently making that much? What should we pay them? $40 an hour?

You would see such an increase in the cost of goods and services it would be ridiculous, not to mention a burden on every business from mom and pop to large corporate.

I'm sorry, I just don't see these ideas as being a reality.

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51Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

And speaking of corporate America, which one of our esteemed local corporations are we planning on protesting? When someone decides to hold a protest outside of the Cafaro or Zoldan offices, or the V&M Plant, I will start taking this more seriously.

But that won't happen. We are talking about people holding a protest on a Saturday at 12:00 when all the banks and government offices are closed. Case in point, in either the instance of the local corporations or the banks, these people dont have the cajones.

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52MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

It was not the evil corps that held a gun to peoples heads - made them go on credit card benders - plop in 250k houses they could never afford from the get go- live large - zilch for down payments .collection co's calling 123 times a day- because of late payments - operation repo knocking on the door- to haul off the BMW 'S with Fat Sonya ready to throw down for the set of car keys.Too many people abusing credit -not paying bills caused the credit crunch , housing crash-that lead to the current economic conditions.When banks and credit corps chill out on people that have kept in good standing that is when the economy will refresh - get going.Untill then if your credit sucks -the best advice around is to pay them off- take a job at Mcdonalds The Call Center -do whatever it takes.

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53howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@Woody in your post #48 you ask "What kind of collateral are you putting up for the business loan you are asking for?"
I offered my house as collateral, but one bank said we aren't interested in property in Youngstown! I even offered my house and 20% cash and they still said NO.

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54howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@Alex in your post #51 you say "Socialist a little are we?" Well my response to that is that if Socialism is good for Wall Street (bail outs and free money from the FED), and Oil, Gas and Coal companies(subsidies and discounts on leasing government land held in trust for the people of the USA), and the pharmacuetical industry(preventing Medicare and states from buying drugs on the world market to save money), and industrial agriculture(farm subsidies for growing GMO corn and soybeans that nobody really wants to eat), than it must be good for everyone else as well!

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55howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Marge in your post #63 you rant about how it wasn't the corps forcing people to buy house and toys on credit that they really couldn't afford. You are correct, it was the mainstream media in combination with both political parties, Hollywood's tv and movie studios, the RIAA all promoting the false messages of the glories of consumerism. Gotta have that BLING to keep up with the Jones'!

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56VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

^^ And don't try to keep up with the ^^
Jones'---They're Broke, too!!!

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57NilesOhio(706 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't help but to wonder if more than half of those involved in this "occupy movement" even truly understand what they're protesting. There seem to be a lot of lemmings in the crowd.

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58Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"BigBen, and the unions don't own the politicians and the press? It wasn't the corporations that were having private meetings with the president to cut deals for the shareholders in regards to healthcare. It was the unions that were trying to cut deals for their membership."

- -No the unions do not own the press. Of course the corporations weren't trying to cut deals for their employees they want slaves.And if the unions were cutting private deals boy they sure weren't very successful since they are fighting for their very lives.

Don't give me the price of everything going through the roof because of unions.Look around the country the unions have been ravaged compared to what they were 40 years ago when this country had a far better standard of living. Prices are through the roof for other reasons.

No the costs have gone up because your dollar is worth less much less.It is manipulated.and created out of nothing and loaned out as debt with interest . Study your history regarding the Federal Reserve.

As for tax dollars the more middle class folks are taxed the more the government can take in to pay the bills. But when you have had millions out of work millions in addition under employed and millions of jobs going over seas do to Free Trade and most of all a manipulated currency that is unconstitutional than what do you expect.It is imploding.To think the majority of US citizens must be wage slaves while corporations have rights as individuals , loop holes , tax abatement - -come on.

However you digress this protest should be about what the bankers /corporations are doing to all Americans and not about union vs non union.

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59Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Niles - - -"I can't help but to wonder if more than half of those involved in this "occupy movement" even truly understand what they're protesting. There seem to be a lot of lemmings in the crowd."

They understand. The overarching and primary focus should be on the Bank/corporations .They have their hands in most everything.The banks even own the insurance companies and had them write the previous health care bill.

Just don't fall for the press with their the occupy crowd is all over the place so it must be a bust.People perceive how the banks have affected their individual lives -- - a job loss for one , a home loss for another, high food prices for another ECT But it is still the same opponent and that is what must be the focus.

They don't want it to succeed.The Fed is not going to simply roll over they will have their game plan too.

I think it is great that people are getting educated as to who is doing this to them.Remember no one is going to agree 100 per cent with everything the key is to keep the focus on how the opponent has and is affecting you as a common opponent to us all.

Don't fall for the divide and concur game they are trying it in the press.

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60Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

But that won't happen. We are talking about people holding a protest on a Saturday at 12:00 when all the banks and government offices are closed. Case in point, in either the instance of the local corporations or the banks, these people dont have the cajones.

- - -It is a start and your missing the point. It is showing that Americans no matter how few are starting to wake up.That is the point here.You have to remember that even today not everyone knows who their opponent is in a general sense.

When you want results you don't go for an arm or leg you go for the head.As for cajoles-it takes that to even be talking about this stuff here .They know exactly who we all are-remember that. Now who has the "cajones".

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61Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Sorry Alex meant to put quotes around the first paragraph." "

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62jasoninohio(119 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I think 99% of the people should just stay home and watch football instead stomping and whining like a bunch of babies.

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63Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

jasoninohio - Thanks for your mature , insightful and invaluable comment.

Remember though paint chips containing lead may leave your thought processes compromised.

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64Hlecter(59 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

THe protesters in NY are of the Flea Party.

Their last gig before Occupy Wall St. was Occupy your Mother's basement

I lifted and paraphrased the above.

The protesters in Y-Town are typical band-wagon jumpers. I want to know what is the reason for the protests? Just one single statement of purpose.

If Harver wants to do something for me, how about knocking a dollar off the avaricious prices he charges for a good draft beer?

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65Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Hlecter "I want to know what is the reason for the protests? " - -Federal Reserve banking as a part government when it is private for profit.This is unconstitutional.- - Now you know.

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66lovedrama(138 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I just read through all of those comments, painfully.

I have come to a conclusion:

Margomatic: you're a total idiot!

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67author50(1121 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ironic that Wall Street had its best week in months.

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68Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Big Ben-

We are talking about a movement that wants minimum wage to be $20. Entry level positions out of college typically are around $20-30 per hour. The only thing you would accomplish is pushing up wages and salaries for everyone else, which in turn would result in a drastic rise in the cost of goods. If anything, it would devalue the dollar further if these people had their way.

This goes back to the concept of what is a decent wage? How do you define it?

If you are in college or in high school, your labor is not worth as much as someone who has a degree or a license or who has been through a trade school. That is a reality of life and the reality of the marketplace. Everyone has to pay their dues the first year or two out. Sorry to say it, but this is not 1998 or 1999 when every person left college and made $70,000 per year. It was unrealistic then, not to mention unsustainable.

Now, if the point is to complain about how unfair that reality is and that we all should be paid the same, and that the corporations are wrong for not hiring people, then it is a waste of time.

Where does it say anywhere that a corporation has to hire someone? Why is it their obligation and responsibility to fulfill your needs? This is a free country, or at least is used to be. They can hire who they want and as they please, and the market will determine the pay rates based on experience and education.

As far as unions, whatever. All I know is, they are the reason businesses stay away from the Midwest, and if they do come, they have found a way to stay non-union--case in point, V&M Star. I have my own theories on how they have kept it non-union, but that is a discussion for another day.

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69Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

America cannot be run on a service economy, and if you want to bring America back, it has to start producing again.

That can happen two ways: Americans voluntarily buy American products and forego the foreign stuff (i.e. Wal-Mart). That is unrealistic and very farfetched.

Or you put tariffs in place to equalize the Chinese currency to our own. This is more realistic, and companies would be more willing to open factories here and shut them down in Asia.

In either scenario, goods are going to start costing more. But you would put a lot more Americans back to work, and eventually in time the situation will heal itself. It will be painful for awhile, but America would work through it.

But no one wants to pay for more expensive goods. Everyone is content to buy the cheapest goods possible that are foreign made, and until we break that habit things are going to continue as they have the last few years.

That is something to work towards, not $20 an hour minimum wage, free healthcare, free education, and debt forgiveness. Those things deincentivize going to work. They do not create jobs.

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70Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"That is something to work towards, not $20 an hour minimum wage, free healthcare, free education, and debt forgiveness. Those things deincentivize going to work.

They do not create jobs."

- - First you must realize that the global elite in no way want job creation not any meaningful jobs that pay a livable wage.Free Trade is proof of that.The opposite is a non livable wage. - -No one who is serious would consider the 20 minimum wage although if inflation continues.... The debt forgiveness we supposedly owe to a fictitious bank that is another story.You have to realize that an owned press will find folks who are fringe or plants in order to stifle waking people up.

I would suggest an overhaul to the private banking in this nation .Banking prior to 1913 was a service performed by government as our Constitution calls for.

We are paying massive interests to a criminal organisation that simply counterfeits.One needs to understand this is the key .Then your money has real value , it is tangible, not funny money that is manipulated at the whims of criminals.

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71slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

to all the tin foil hats, i hate to break the news to you, but ron paul is not going to even be nominated by the republican party and will never win as an independent. yes his stance against the federal reserve is admirable. many of his views most would consider liberal. he isnt a garden variety republican. but its a pipe dream. its never going to happen

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72ghostofjohnyoung(163 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Ron Paul won't be elected? We'll see. We can all be doubters.

The Republicrat debates are continuing to degrade.

When the smoke settle Paul will remain near the top of the heap and final debates against whoever else then also in the lead should show Paul pummeling them too.

I find fault with everyone, even Paul (abortion supporter). But when choosing between people, Paul really is a stand up fellow and he's long been speaking out. What he said decades ago has come to be.

In some ways he reminds me of Ross Perot who was spot on when he ran.

If we elect another insider and more of the same corrupt insiders we kind of deserve what befalls us, right?

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73Shepard(3 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Its funny. The republicans still do not get it. These Idiots do not even know why they are out there protesting! Really proves their limited intelligence.

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74Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

slappysmith - -Sounds like you love to be dominated by you elite masters.To each his own enjoy.

Shepard- - -What? Trying reading the posts again , slowly.

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75Thomas1(14 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

There are 5 people who are "occupying" Federal Plaza right now and should occupy a shower instead. By the looks of them, none of them have a job and I'm quite sure, the 56% of us who pay taxes are supporting them in one form or another.

God Bless the USA.

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76Politico(27 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"Theft from the middle class!" What a line of garbage. Even if some people were making a trillion dollars a year it doesn't mean they took it out of your pocket. The American economic pie is essentially infinite if you take advantage of your education, work hard, maybe a little luck, and you have the drive and determination. That's the dream, it hasn't changed. All too many people these days have the wacko idea that the government "owes" them something. Guess what? The only thing the government owes any citizen is national security, and the right to do what you want. Even in Ohio, the only think the constitution requires of a township is to pick up dead bodies. Everything after that is self inflicted. It seems that the 99%, whoever that is supposed to be, because it's not me or my family, are a bunch of whiners who think that Socialism will cure their lot in life and somehow entitle them to more of my pie. Get a life, find a job, get off you butt and get and education, live within your means, and take a long look in the mirror.

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77Politico(27 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Looks like the "Occupy Youngstown" people I saw on TV last night were the normal homeless and derelicts who hang around there anyway. The only difference this week was there there was some free food being dropped of. Oh, yea. Someone brought a guitar. At least I knew where the local losers were hanging out this weekend.

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78Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"At least I knew where the local losers were hanging out this weekend."

OUCH ! Now that is politically incorrect . . ..

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79Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The global protest in many cities across the globe are not about implementing socialism that is being implemented by corporate/banking interests.

The Constitution you know the big one if anyone bothers to read it anymore addresses Congress as the creator of our national currency not a private for profit bank.

In terms for the mentally challenged that means a bank pretending to be a part of the government is making money with nothing behind it and charging interest instead of the real actual government printing money interest free as it was meant to be done and in fact use to be done.

I don't expect someone of low IQ to understand that -it isn't their fault they aren't intelligent .This has nothing to do with the Ohio Constitution.It has nothing to do with free education or 20.00 an hour minimum wage ect.That is known as cluster #$#(*&! People do that to get the focus off the real ,only, central and original issue.

Youngstown has done few things right so it isn't a big surprise that here most care about which meaningless tv program they will watch or who has been shot recently.

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80Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

BigBen, if those things are not the focus, then the Occupy Wall Street should take those demands down from their website. Clearly it is what they believe in. If that is not the focus of this local group, they should take the Occupy Wall Street label off.

So often we talk about the corporations not paying their fair share, but it comes down to this: why should my tax dollars pay for the services of the 50% of Americans who do not pay taxes?

If 100% of America contributed SOMETHING, even if only a little, paying their own fair share, I think we'd all be a lot better off.

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81suzannec(2 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

i checked out johnnyghost's youtube clip of the occupy youngstown bunch. where the hell are the black people. those folks were from everywhere but youngstown. all i saw was a bunch of white men. i think i saw one female, but on the youtube video, no black people. what couldn't find any in 65 percent black youngstown. or didn't they want to be involved. didn't see any on the news pieces either. what is with that?

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82NBees(43 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

People are jumping on this bandwagon blind may be in for a rude awakening when the call for revolution isn't what they thought it would be... oh yeah, so we hear Main St concerns voiced by protesters, but there is also a dark side that echos communist ideas and the mask of the jokers face that some protesters wear, it stands for that Anonymous group and some say they are somehow involved in this Arab Spring meets American Autumn crap. Arab Spring tactics including Occupy protests are used to launch civil wars. Be very careful... it is foolish to align yourself with a "leaderless" group that has yet to define what it wants.

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83Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Alex Each one of us may experience the results of the banking/corporate misconduct from a different perspective.

So what you are seeing is people fed up with the results stemming from the same place.

NBees-My grandfather was in the 1938 steel strike in Youngstown and he wasn't communist he fought in WW1 and was screwed out of his money although uninformed weasels labeled people like that.
Americans have the right still to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly-communists do not! I would appreciate it if you would knock that kind of talk off.

From my understanding many in various countries are tired of a lack of food due to currency devaluation.The dollar is the trade currency for the world.

.It would be foolish to threaten these folks for exercising their Constitutional rights.Have they done something wrong , please inform us.

I guess it is OK to steal pensions but not OK for those folks to protest about it or say anything about it here.A little kid in school who is bullied should just take it day after day and not tell anyone what happened to him or the bully may do something worse.

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84howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Just an update most of those involved in the #OccupyYoungstown movement are:
1. Employed or own their own business.
2. Have their own homes/familes and thus responsibilities.
3. Are involved in other organizations actively involved in improving Youngstown.
4. and many have AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, and Phd degrees.

I would think that many of those ranting on here would be capable of coming downtown and actually talking with those of us standing up for all of our rights.
We are having another rally this coming Saturday and you are all invited. At the last rally we had speakers from all political, ethnic and economic backgrounds. At least 5 of the speakers were black, at least 2 from the Gay & Lesbian community, people from the city and from the suburbs. I am a member of the Green Party and we had speakers that identify with the Tea Party as well as Ron Paul.
I think you would be hard pressed to find a more diverse group of people in the Mahoning Valley.

While repealing SB5 by voting no on Issue 2 is important to me and many others in the OY group, it is by no means our only or primary issue.
I think that if we were to take a vote every one of us wants to either overturn the SCOTUS CitizensUnited vs. FEC decision or fight for a Constitutional amendment to keep all big money out of the political process.

If you have anymore questions please come down to Federal Square and ask us, we have been talking with bankers, stock brokers, lawyers, police officers, city workers, and everyday people just stopping by to get cash out of the ATM.
We would be happy to share what we have with anyone willing to listen or share their experience.

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85howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Just an update most of those involved in the #OccupyYoungstown movement are:
1. Employed or own their own business.
2. Have their own homes/familes and thus responsibilities.
3. Are involved in other organizations actively involved in improving Youngstown.
4. and many have AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, and Phd degrees.

I would think that many of those ranting on here would be capable of coming downtown and actually talking with those of us standing up for all of our rights.
We are having another rally this coming Saturday and you are all invited. At the last rally we had speakers from all political, ethnic and economic backgrounds. At least 5 of the speakers were black, at least 2 from the Gay & Lesbian community, people from the city and from the suburbs. I am a member of the Green Party and we had speakers that identify with the Tea Party as well as Ron Paul.
I think you would be hard pressed to find a more diverse group of people in the Mahoning Valley.

While repealing SB5 by voting no on Issue 2 is important to me and many others in the OY group, it is by no means our only or primary issue.
I think that if we were to take a vote every one of us wants to either overturn the SCOTUS CitizensUnited vs. FEC decision or fight for a Constitutional amendment to keep all big money out of the political process.

If you have anymore questions please come down to Federal Square and ask us, we have been talking with bankers, stock brokers, lawyers, police officers, city workers, and everyday people just stopping by to get cash out of the ATM.
We would be happy to share what we have with anyone willing to listen or share their experience.

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86nick_7t(3 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

What the occupiers want are all sorts of things just like any other party. Most of all we want ethics in business.

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87honestman(33 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

well, here's my 2 cents, i've read the comments, i love how firefighters and cops are now lazy employee's are bankrupting the state and country (unionforever), i must be on the wrong department, not crying poor, i make good cash, cant believe this govt has everyone thinking we are the problem. money rules this land, rules the politicians who are just puppets only concerned with getting re-elected. you want to fix the economy, stop allowing tax abatements for people who are not even citizens of this country, how about a flat tax for everyone, rich, poor, middle class. how about rules for people on govt aid. you cant afford kids dont have them, i shouldnt have to pay for your lack of self control. wall street and corporate america are so far removed from how the middle class and poor live, its a numbers game, and they can never have enough, grab a sociology book, look at the wealth breakdown, numbers and statistics dont lie, the middle class is shrinking and the poor are growing, the rich stay right where they are

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88whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

101 comments time to move on

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89Constructor(105 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

To the 99% Movement, ignore the rants of those who wish to silence your voice. It's a shame that the so-called 'adults' of the GOP and Tea Party find it necessary to break the spirit of our younger generations while they exercise their constitutional right to freedom of speech. This is the very reason that Republican and Tea Party politicians need to be removed from office. They only believe in the constitution when it suits them and then try to deny everybody else their rights.

It's time to destroy the Party of Greed, God & Guns and their fascist agenda at the polls.

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90RustOnMyBelt(114 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I have been to the square and stood with the 99%. I applaud their efforts and ask only that they do send one cohesive message that the money influence upon our good democratic system has lead our great country onto the path of ruination. Sure many that occupy here and elsewhere are unemployed. Many have emotional problems, too, but these people are US citizens like it or not. They help hold the fort until people who are fortunate enough to still have a job can be there to protest the corporate-political monster that looks out only for its own best interests. And why would the disenfranchised not have a place with the 99-percent? Why would they not be included? Only because the influential 1 % might find them and their attire offensive? Or would they find their voice of freedom offensive?All are welcome. All are Americans. All object to the rule of corporate lobbyists, mega-corporations and millions of dollars of influence upon our elected office holders - our government.

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91m__dogg(12 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Issue 2 is important for Ohio, and it must pass, and Shiavone just got his ass handed to him to him on national TV. He could not explain what part of Issue 2 that was bad, except agree with all of the points brought up. He only could say there are other parts which matter but every point brought about the issue he fully supported. This big push against issue 2 is a last ditch effort of the unions to make a last stand, and if they are successful in their sham, it will put many cities and townships out of bussiness. The big union heads are fat, rich and laughing all the way to the bank while working class individuals pay big $ every week to support these crooks. Unions are out of date, and they will be the reason we'll lose many more jobs than they ever...ever created. Issue 2 gives elected local leaders a chance to attract business, reduce taxes and save what we have. Wake up people, there is no more money to go around. Cuts must be made or they will be made for us by necessity. You wait and see what happens if Issue 2 fails.

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92slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

big ben, i wont live in fantasy land with you little fellow. cant you hide under your porch by yourself without someone holding your hand?

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93Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

@slappsysmith-- -Well at 6'4' and 310 lbs as a power lifter I am not what you would call small but that is OK I won't trade insults only information to those who will listen.
As for hiding under my porch I will be happy to meet and greet no hiding here.

" i wont live in fantasy land " - - -Explain because anyone who thinks the Federal Reserve isn't creating money from nothing at interest is living in fantasy land. - - -Tell me and everyone else that isn't true .I would love to here that explanation.

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