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SB 5 foes take command in TV ad war



Published: Sun, October 9, 2011 @ 6:24 p.m.

The television ad war being waged statewide over Issue 2 appears to be lopsided in favor of the union-backed group seeking to defeat the collective-bargaining reforms targeted at more than 350,000 public workers.

We Are Ohio, the anti-Senate Bill 5 group, appears to be outspending Building a Better Ohio, a business and Republican-backed group, by a 5-to-2 ratio, according to files kept by 17 television stations across the state.

Read the full story in Monday’s Vindicator.


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1FunMeter(29 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Here

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2AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Drone,

There are only 2 choices at this point. kasich made it that way when he said get on the bus or get run over. He would not listen to alternative choices. It wasn't until the guv finally realized he may be losing the battle that he invited the unions to discuss it.

BYE BYE sb5

Vote NO on issue 2

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3NachoCheese(163 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I trust that the replacement bills are already being drafted should the unions succeed in intimidating enough no votes. Ohio needs solutions, and the only thing Ohio does not need is more of these union caused problems.

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4VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

^^ Kasich is the problem. ^^

If anyone seems to think he's in it for you--"middle class Ohio citizens"--think again.
Read SB5's contents thoroughly.
As a result:

Vote No On Issue 2!

http://americanhatriots.wordpress.com...

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5db(280 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Work to age 67 so these 350,000 government services union members here in Ohio can retire at age 48. Ohio is $8,000,000,000 (billion) in a hole & on the verge of bankruptcy; so what? Pay ever-increasing property taxes because the state is going bankrupt paying government services union employees in retirement, paying them again as they double-dip other government jobs, and paying their replacements too. Continue paying 24 Youngstown courthouse security guards $100.000 a year; $40k for the security job and $60k a year retired police pay. Everyone knows that being a security guard is a $100,000 a year job and that $2,400,000 a year for 24 security guards is only tax-payer money. Government employees are special; they should retire in healthy middle age (48-52) with 80% of their top pay + full benefits - all paid by the private sector's taxes. They should not have to work to retirement age like everyone else. How dare the private sector to resent tax levies, spiraling tax rates, and bankrupted city & state governments. Government workers do not work for the public; the public works for them. WANT TO END THIS LUNACY?? VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2.

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6piak(508 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

In the article, the spending edge is with the "Vote NO" crowd. That's the heart of the article. They are outspending the forces of common sense. AND it is money, derived from taxes, levies and UNION dues.

db: Your article is absolutely dead on.

If the anti Issue 2 are "middle class" where are they getting the UPPPER CLASS BUDGET money for this campaign from? Their arguement is that "the middle class is being destroyed". But they can muster a whole lot of money for this campaign? Square that up for us!

If Issue 2 goes down, so does Ohio.

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7db(280 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Yo-BornRay, unfortunately there has been a kickback scheme perpetrated upon the taxpayers between democrats and the government services unions that has gone on too long & must end. Trading votes for benefits is the democrat's mantra; whether it be for welfare recipients, labor union members, or the GSU. Kasich & his staff cost the taxpayer less & get paid less than Strickland's; Kasich has fewer assistants in office and multitasks those that he has. Regardless; the governor's pay is a drop in the bucket compared to the $million+ of tax revenue that each government services union member receives in retirement. The retiring police chief (Jimmy Hughes) just received a check for $563,000 ($500k from DROP + $63k in vacation pay), plus $100k a year retirement pay, and he says that he wants rehired by the police department since he's too young & healthy to retire. Why is he receiving retirement pay when by his own admission he should not be retired?? This is our tax dollars which must be paid under threat of property forfeiture and imprisonment (ie. Rusty's Restaurant). How can anyone defend this?

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8VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Let's think this through.

If Issue 2, aka SB5 is defeated by a No vote, then the State of Ohio will be faced with the task of balancing the State budget without the SB5 tool. SB5 is a tool designed and passed by our elected legislators and Governor to control spending, which we all can agree is way out of hand.

So, without SB5, the State will be forced to lay-off thousands of State and local employees in order to balance budgets throughout Ohio. Or we could stop paving roads and building bridges, or shut down school busing and make our children find their own way to school.

The answer is there is no perfect solution for balancing our budgets. Each solution will impact someone, so that is why SB 5 is the best solution for Ohio. It is asking government workers to share in their sacrifices as we have done and it will also keep them working.

I cannot stress this enough. We need to keep jobs for state workers. If SB5 is defeated and thousands are laid off, don't blame the Governor, blame the Unions for unbending retoric and their massive political cash machine that forces the state to spend more money than we have.

Keep Ohioans working ... Vote for SB5, vote YES on Issue 2.

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9SAVEOURCOUNTRY(470 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Keeping fighting the fight great patriots
Keep fighting the fight with the truths, not Kasicks mis-truths about this anti middle class, anti worker bill. It will kill the middle class, first colleged educated public employees and there counterparts in the private sector will soon follow...oooops are there really counterparts to teachers, police and fire in the private sector? No there isn't, so why does the government. Its called envy. that is their tool to pit good American against other good americans. Wake up Ohio and see the truths.

NO ON SB5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Kasich and company make more money then strickland's staff. So many say the opposite. When he took office his staff salary was slightly less the strickland's , but then he gave HUGE raises with backpay to january.

Many, many unions have taken pay freezes for years, and pay toward their retirement and bene's. It is the administration, trustees, council's and many other elected and appionted position that pay little or nothing toward retirement.

Making EVERY public employee pay at least 15% toward bene's and retirement makes sense to me. But sb5 and union busting is NOT the way to do it. Kasich needs to lead by example. Him, his staff and many others need to start it now and add it to every contract with unions. Unfortuntely has a lot more unnecessary union busting tactics in it, so it must be defeated.

If a bill that made public employess pay more for retirement and bene's for all public employess' to pay,that would not get near the fight is against sb5. It would pass with little arguemenst at all.

But since kasich is union busting.....

BYE BYE sb5

Vote NO on issue 2

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11Phil_Eng_Amer(10 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

This shouldn’t come as much of a shock. When it comes to political lobbying, it’s hard to outmatch the power of public sector unions. You saw records shattered in Wisconsin for a state senate recall election (http://eng.am/rdchdL), despite the fact that no matter how the recalls turned out, legislation wouldn’t have changed (http://eng.am/nWvjZP).

In Ohio we have something different. The vote on SB5 will decidedly have a huge impact on the future of the state, with compensation between private sector and public sector employees being so unbalanced (http://eng.am/pFPawi), change is necessary.

Collective bargaining is the process by which such an imbalance is fostered, as it continually awards state and local employees a compensation package the far outstrips those found it the private sector (http://eng.am/pZofYR).

Until this problem is addressed, the state will only take on more unfunded liabilities, and such a path only realistically leads to one place; economic disaster (http://eng.am/rrfynn).

Hopefully Ohio can avoid such disaster, whether it’s with SB5 or some other piece public sector reform. But doing nothing and staying the course must be avoided at all costs.

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