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Anti-SB 5 tour stops in Valley

Published: Fri, October 7, 2011 @ 12:08 a.m.

We Are Ohio campaign draws dozens to rally against Issue 2

By David Skolnick



Opponents of state Issue 2, which restricts some collective-bargaining rights for public employees, rolled into Youngstown as part of a statewide bus tour urging voters to reject the Nov. 8 ballot issue.

We Are Ohio, the lead organization opposing Issue 2, stopped Thursday at Oakhill Renaissance Place, the location of the Mahoning County Board of Elections, as part of what’s called “The People’s Road Trip.”

About 70 local people, including several union officials, participated in the rally.

Doug Stern, a Cincinnati firefighter featured in We Are Ohio’s first television commercial, said that Issue 2 is “unsafe, unfair and will hurt us all.”

The Republican-controlled state Legislature approved the collective-bargaining changes in Senate Bill 5 earlier this year. Opponents collected signatures to place the measure on the November ballot for repeal.

Issue 2 takes away the rights of firefighters to negotiate items such as safety equipment and manpower, Stern said.

“We can’t rescue someone with two firefighters on a truck,” he said. “We need firefighters. That’s the ultimate safety issue.”

Those at the rally were encouraged to vote early at the elections board. About 25 of them did Thursday.

Ron Gay, who works for AT&T in Youngstown and is a Communications Workers of America Local 4300 union member, was among the early voters.

“I voted [Thursday] to get it out of the way,” he said. “I wanted to get it done. People have busy lives. I don’t have to worry about possibly not being able to vote” on Nov. 8.

While Gay isn’t in a public-employee union, he said he has “a lot of family members” who are.

“Taking people’s rights away doesn’t solve problems,” he added.

If approved by voters, the law would place limits on collective bargaining, changing the way more than 350,000 public workers have negotiated contract terms for nearly three decades. The law would prohibit strikes and enables state and local governments and schools to base employee pay decisions on performance.

It also would require government employees to pay at least 15 percent of the cost of their health-care premiums.

“We’re talking about fundamental fairness, and this bill takes that away,” said Mahoning County Sheriff’s Department Sgt. T.J. Assion, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 141.

Supporters say the changes will help public entities better control costs.

“Those who oppose Issue 2 are relying on scare tactics,” said county Republican Party Chairman Mark Munroe. “They’re trying to scare people to vote against Issue 2. This is simply a way to gain control over the costs of public employees.”

Munroe pointed to Stern’s commercial, saying it “tries to leave the impression that there will be dead police officers and firefighters in the street” if the issue is approved.


1VindyPost(436 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

^^ Sorry you missed out ! ^^

Many more rallies planned soon!
Stay Tuned!

Vote No on Issue 2 !

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2Education_Voter(1153 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Munroe said:
"Munroe pointed to Stern’s commercial, saying it “tries to leave the impression that there will be dead police officers and firefighters in the street” if the issue is approved."

Okay, Mark. How about they're only injured and disabled?
Feel better?

The truth is that enforcement of standards created by both side in collective bargaining sessions do protect the health and safety of workers, and sometimes the public they serve.
This law affects nurses and teachers too. I will stand witness that enforcement of bargained safety standards rescued my class of children from an unsafe room with unhealthy air and chunks of falling ceiling plaster.

Why wouldn't the managers just see they should move the children? Ya got me. But they wouldn't until they had to.

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3lee(544 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

If you want to give the public workers a donation go ahead but don't come to me with the Govt. gun and expect me to give any more. I'M BROKE

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4AtownAugie(882 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

"We Are Ohio" is funded by the same national left-wing organizations that funded "We Are Wisconsin." The Badger State public unions found out months ago in the Wisconsin elections what the Ohio public unions will find out in November: "We The People" have grown weary of your childish tantrums.

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5author50(1121 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Too bad Senate Bill 5 didn't limit the terms of people who can serve on the local board of fixxed elections (Munroe has been on it for what... 100 years?).

For Munroe, who has his nose in the trough to downplay any other government employee is hypocritical at worst and best.

Look at the sad state of the local GOP and then you know what type of job Munroe has done as one of it's top cats.

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6NoBS(2758 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, Augie, but Wisconsin's bill wasn't nearly as one-sided as Ohio's is. That's the objection to the whole thing - everybody knows the state is in trouble, but Kasich is using the situation for the gain of himself and his cronies.

Collective bargaining makes the playing field a little more level, but the administration still has more cards in its hand than labor does. SB 5 takes away everything. They're swinging for the bleachers. Kasich and his posse want a state where they can do what they want, when they want, to who they want, with no repercussions whatever. They want to be able to hire their cronies, and pass out jobs like candy - to their unqualified buddies. They want to be able to get rid of anyone who dares ask for a pay raise, but you'll note Kasich has already handed out large money to a few select friends. He wants to return to cronyism and nepotism and favoritism, because he's arrogant enough to believe he or his proteges will always be in charge.

Finally, the Repubs have acted exactly like the Dems they replaced. They did not learn WHY the Dems were swept from office. I look for the Repubs to suffer the same fate.

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7AtownAugie(882 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

@NoBs -- Well-reasoned and well-written. Thanks for disagreeing so agreeably. I cannot wish you good luck on Issue 2, but I do wish you and yours well.

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8jwhitehawke(110 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Public service unions are going to put alot of $$$ into this issue. This is their power to maintain control over having the taxes of 5 million Ohio private sector taxpayers. Who represents OUR interests when the collective bargaining is going on? Our only 'voice' will be on November 8th.

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9Dan_Moadus(33 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Serving the public is what keeps politicians elected. Serving the public takes manpower. Doesn't it then follow, that politicians want as many police and firefighters working as is possible? Operating shorthanded as most cities now do, is a result of not having enough money. So doesn't it make sense that anything that reduces "per" employee costs makes more money available to keep more police and firefighters employed? Of course it does.

No politician wants to see understaffed safety forces, so it's sad to see the unions using the bogus staffing issue to scare people into voting against issue2.

It is also sad to see firefighters using the uniform of such a noble profession in this fight of "personal gain" over "public interest".

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10jasoninohio(119 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

The law would prohibit strikes and enables state and local governments and schools to base employee pay decisions on performance.

Basing pay on job performance? I can see why the unions are up in arms on this. What else is there to base pay on? Oh, that's right, unions just want a raise every year whether they have done a good job or not.

Besides the fact that this bill will level the playing field for the rest of us who are non-union, just the fact that people will get raises based on doing their job makes this bill great.

Vote YES!!!!!

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11dees2cents(38 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

If we do not stop them in their tracks now, we will never have a say again.
And as fair as leveling the playing field, if the jobs in the area that are unionized and making a good wage take a pay cut, what do you think you will be asked to accept?
Much less , that is for sure.
I will definitely vote NO on issue 2, the most important people in our communities are the police, firefighters, nurses and teachers. If they make those jobs undesirable, we will end up with people who are not dedicated to their career, just someone to fill the shoes.
Kasich has got to go !!!!!!

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

If SB5 gets repealed the middle class will be taxed out of their socks !

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13Dan_Moadus(33 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

"dees2cents" should be the posterboy for SB5. He actually points to a situation where area union workers have to take a pay cut and warns that if SB5 passes he would also have to take a pay cut, as if he should be exempt from give backs. That's what is wrong with the current public employee mindset. They think that no matter what happens to the economy, they should be exempt from it's effects.

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142bpoor(2 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't hear any of us "taxpayers" complaining about the 12% to 37% pay hikes Kasich gave his staff! All public employees

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152bpoor(2 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Who, by the way, are all exempt from SB5

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16rocky14(830 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Stan,Dan,and falconeddy

If you need some extra money,try asking one of those millionaire's or billionaire's on Wall Street.
I'm sure they will talk to peon's like you guys.

Occupy Youngstown

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17Brit(18 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Kasich is nothing but a delusional, greedy, Wall St. cheat. This state needs someone who cares about people and doesn't want to scrap every good program and agency that benefits people. Kasich is the worst thing that ever happened to Ohio and no patriotic American should put up with this bill, or his schemes that he passes off as a "solution". He is one of the ones that gave Wall St. breaks and helped so Wall St. and corporations could have free reign to lie, cheat, exploit, pollute and steal at the expense of our country. Now he wants to turn Ohio into a possible "sweat shop" place where workers can be over worked, over charged, under paid, and subjected to toxic and unsafe working conditions because power is taken away from them and handed over to greedy people where number one priority is greed! I have seen him way too many times over the years spouting anger and saying ridiculous and insensitive things. He doesn't care about people and his "solutions" will ruin this state. It is time for people by the hundreds of thousands across this country who care about people and want real solutions to protest and stop Kasich, Walker and others who have only self serving idea. They mislead into thinking they are going to make things better. People who supported these delusional politicians in some cases have to learn the hard way that they wasted votes, but the majority of this country isn't going to tolerate this. The people of this country are losing power. Even our votes are being belittled. Last year the Republican faction of the Supreme Court gave corporations the power to donate unlimited amounts of money to candidates. It throws the election to one person who can dwarf everyone else with propaganda and smear no matter how dishonest. It takes power away from ordinary people who want to donate and have their votes count and then that politician is bought and paid for to feel obligated. Kasich and Walker serve the rich 3% while 97% "middle class" pay! STOP THEM! All people should oppose SB 5 vote NO on Issue 2!

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18Dan_Moadus(33 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Congratulations to "brit" he was able to hit each and every marxist talking point in one paragraph. Way to go; you must have practiced.

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19cheli(2 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

My family strongly supports collective bargaining, public and private. Public employees have done nothing to deserve this treatment by the governor. We will be out there supporting you with our votes.

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