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Is Kasich worth the $148,165?

Published: Sun, October 2, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

By Bertram de Souza (Contact)

With the latest public opinion poll showing an increase in support for Ohio’s new collective bargaining reform law, opponents have decided to personalize their campaign by portraying the architects of the law as hypocrites. Their chief target is Republican Gov. John Kasich, who along with the Republican majority in the General Assembly, decided to take back workplace rights enjoyed by government employees for almost 30 years.

Last week, Innovation Ohio issued a report, “Pay, Perks and Hypocrisy”, that charged Kasich and legislators with not practicing what they preach.

The goal is to get Ohio voters so riled up that they vote no in droves on State Issue 2, a referendum on the collective bargaining law in the Nov. 8 general election.

“The governor and his allies have not only exempted themselves from many of the sacrifices they are demanding of other public employees, but also enjoy salaries, perks and privileges that far exceed those available to regular working Ohioans,” Innovation Ohio contended.

The hard line is no accident. A poll released by Quinnipiac University shows that 38 percent of Ohio voters favor retention of the law, commonly referred to as Senate Bill 5 — a 6 percent increase from July; 51 percent of the voters say SB 5 should be repealed, down from 56 percent two months ago. While the change might not appear significant, the television campaign by proponents will go into high gear this month.

It is not surprising that Innovation Ohio, a progressive think tank that includes a veteran Democratic political operative, Dale Butland, has made Kasich the centerpiece of its campaign. The governor’s approval rating in the poll showed slight improvement, but still reflects widespread discontent.

Here are some of the taking points IO hopes will get Ohioans up in arms:

Gov. Kasich earns $148,165 a year, $10,000 more than what his predecessor, Democrat Ted Strickland earned, and is eligible to receive automatic 3 percent “step increases.” SB 5 contains “performance pay” provisions and does not permit step increases for the public union employees.

Kasich’s 27 cabinet members earn an average base pay of more than $131,000 and at least 22 of them receive an additional $6,000 a year in car allowance. At least seven of the cabinet members are double dippers who are on government pensions in addition to receiving their salaries.

All members of the General Assembly earn $60,584 for part-time work, while the average salary of all Ohio workers is just over $40,000. Among the 70 representatives and senators who voted for SB 5, only eight earn the minimum legislative salary. The remaining 62 receive “leadership bonuses” ranging from nearly $34,000 a year to $5,000. The average bonus is $8,600.

Twelve House and Senate members are double dippers — one is a triple dipper. House Speaker William Batchelder, R-Medina, receives over $100,000 in PERS pension, in addition to his legislative salary of $94,500.

Under SB 5, paid sick leave and vacation days would be reduced for average public workers, but members of the General Assembly receive unlimited sick pay for any reason — with the approval of the House and Senate leadership.

“Politicians who support SB 5 and State Issue 2 obviously do not embarrass easily,” Butland said in a news release. “There’s a word for politicians who propose one set of rules for themselves and a different one for everyone else. It’s spelled ‘hypocrisy’ with a capital ‘H.’”

The charge of hypocrisy against officeholders is not new, but Republicans in state government have put themselves on the firing line by their highly partisan approach to the collective bargaining reform law. They shut out the Democrats in the General Assembly and turned a deaf ear to appeals from the labor unions. The result was a statewide petition drive to force a referendum vote in the general election. More than 1 million Ohioans signed the petitions.

Accumulated time

Kasich has long argued the public sector should follow what has been going on in the private sector with regard to health care premiums, pensions and even work rules. He can lead the way by pushing legislation that would do away accumulated sick leave and vacation time for all public employees in Ohio.


1VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Kasich is truly a "Hypocrit"! The vast majority of Ohioians understand and realize this. If anyone can trust, believe, or follow this character they are in for a real disappointment and danger zone. Do NOT be naive. Remain cautious.

Lead by Example, Kasich!
Practice what you Preach, Kasich!

Further proven stance...


VOTE No On Issue 2!


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2NachoCheese(163 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Gov. Kasich would be worth TWICE that much or more because at least he is DOING HIS JOB and also KEEPING HIS PROMISES! That a few of these buffoons like Butland, Rothenberg, Strickland and their ilk are so riled up that they continue to manufacture their fact twisting attacks is further a compliment to the fact that Ohio finally has a good governor for the first time since James Rhodes.

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3newsmaker1(127 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Gov. Kasich's staff budget overall has been lowered, It's not about the Governor,its about " Who is looking out for the taxpayer." Issue 2 gives all of us a fighting chance.

We badly need spending reform in Ohio and Issue 2 helps us Ohioans get there.

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4SAVEOURCOUNTRY(470 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The problem with KASICK is ....he's a do as I say, not as I do" hypocrit.

even more reason to vote against SB5!!!!!!!!!!

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5chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

It is understanding that SB5 deals only with benefits. Salaries and working conditions can still be collectively baragined.

Also, is Gov. Kasich's salary in line with the governors of the other states.?

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6theotherside(333 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

chuck_carney, it is a faux collective bargaining because under SB 5, management will have the authority to simply impose their final offer in any impasse. Not to mention that strikes and binding arbitration will be outlawed. This means of course that management will have no incentive to genuinely collectively bargain because they can just wait out the union and impose their will in the end. Kasich wants voters to think that Issue 2 is about pension and health care contributions. It isn't. 93% of public employees pay their full share into pensions. It is management that enjoys pension pickups, not the unions. And many public employees already pay 15% into health care and the rest are willing to do their part to assist with tight budgets. But at the negotiation table, not through SB 5. Issue 2 is about Kasich and his plutocrat handlers who want to consolidate power and remain in authority indefinitely so they can get their way. That's why there are protests on Wall Street. People are fed up with corporate greed and corporate desire to own the country and make the rest of us slaves to those desires.

Vote No on Issue 2.

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7candystriper(575 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Ohio taxpayers should push for a limit on executive pay in government that is no more than double the average household income of that community.

If California can do it so can Ohio.

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8chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Couldn't YSU have imposed their final best offer on the faculty now even though SB5 has been suspended.

Also it is my understanding that unions cannot strike when the public safety is an issue, for example fire fighters, poice, garbage collectors, etc. In the case of teachers i recently heard of a judge ruling that they cannot strike during the school year since this would be against the best interest of the child/student.

The problem with public emplyees bargaining at the table, is that government officials cave since they do not want to lose the politcal support of the employees. External controls need to be imposed.

I wish someone would do a comparison of the increase in the total compensation package paid to public employees over the last 30 years so private employees can compare apples to apples. unlike police chief Jimmy Hughes in youngstown my sick days and unused vacation don't carry over to a bank. i lose unused days at the end of every year.

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9theotherside(333 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

YSU could have imposed their best offer. Instead, they decided to maintain labor relations by settling the contract. Collective bargaining worked.

Firefighters and police cannot strike now. It isn't about striking. It's about safety because firefighters and police cannot negotiate for safety. That's the issue.

If government officials are caving at the bargaining table, then your complaint is with them. Not the union. There is no reason for management to be awarded "me too" benefits when unions negotiate contracts. Why do elected officials allow that to go on? Again, a management issue. Not a union issue.

Jimmy Hughes retired as a management official. Not a union member. If his benefits at retirement were excessive, your beef is with management. And there are plenty of studies comparing wages. One that SB 5 supporters ignore that professional public employees with degrees earn less than their counterparts in the private sector with degrees. SB 5 supporters only talk about non-degreed employees when they make that claim and it is nebulous anyway.

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10AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

A GOPer governor spending a quarter-million dollars more on staff salaries than his Democratic predecessor did, when the state faces a $7.6 Billion budget shortfall?

That should make you go hmmm…. If you’re a fiscal conservative who voted for Kasich, it should make you go WTF!?

Governor Strickland succeeded at doing everything the Republicans always promise to do. He cut government spending, lowered taxes and reduced the size of government. He paid for his own healthcare and he kept his staff salaries low. He led by example.

John Kasich is obviously taking a different path: paying his own staff big bucks – even making up new, high-paid positions for his friends – and fiscal conservatives should take note.

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11chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The possiblity of imposing the last best offer is what caused the faculty to accept much less than what they wanted. The faculty pumped up their chest and voted to strike but never intended to.

My beef is with both the government officials and the public employees/unions. I am the taxpayer and hence the boss. I can be unhappy with both for malfeasance and abusing public funds. isn't it ironic that officials and unions join hands when asking the boss for a raise aka new levy.

Jimmy Hughes is an example of excess in government and if kasich isn't worth the money niether is Hughes. As I recall a good portion of hughes retirement was from his days as a unionized patrolman.

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12AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Sure, you keep saying kasich staff salaries are less then stricklands. That may have been true in Jan.


by less then 1/2% his staff overall pay was less then Strickland's.

Now we must add in the double digit raises he gave his staff this summer. Also the raises were retroactive back to January.

Is Kasich worth the $148,165? NO


Vote NO on issue 2

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13AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Chuck thinks,
""I am the taxpayer and hence the boss.""

Then why were you not at the meetings? If you think you are the boss.
We are taxpayers, not every public employees boss. OH by the way, those public employees pay taxes also, so you should consider them as your fellow bosses.

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14AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

So why is it Ok for kasich to get 3% automatic raise but not NOT OK for anybody else?

hypocrisy at its finest.

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15chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The 3% annual increase is set by statute. thanks to Charlie Wilson, Tim Ryan , Bob Hagen, Ron Gerberry, S.ylvester Patton and the others when they were in the State legislature.

I wish I could attend all meetings but I don't get home until 8;00 pm. The powers that be really don't want the public there or they would be scheduled for weekends or videotaped and put on the internet.


141.011 Annual salaries of elective officers beginning in 2001.
Beginning in calendar year 2001, the annual salaries of the elective officers of the state shall be as follows rather than as prescribed by divisions (A) to (F) of section 141.01 of the Revised Code:
(A)(1) In calendar year 2001 the annual salary of the governor shall be one hundred twenty-six thousand four hundred ninety-seven dollars.
(2) In calendar years 2002 through 2006 the annual salary of the governor shall be one hundred thirty thousand two hundred ninety-two dollars.
(3) In calendar year 2007 the annual salary of the governor shall be the annual salary in 2006 increased by each of the following percentages in succession:
(a) The lesser of three per cent or the percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2001, to September 30, 2002, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent;
(b) The lesser of three per cent or the percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2002, to September 30, 2003, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent;
(c) The lesser of three per cent or the percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2003, to September 30, 2004, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent;
(d) The lesser of three per cent or the percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2004, to September 30, 2005, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent;
(e) The lesser of three per cent or the percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2005, to September 30, 2006, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent.
(4) In calendar year 2008 and thereafter, the annual salary of the governor shall be the annual salary in 2007 increased by the lesser of the following:
(a) Three per cent;
(b) The percentage increase, if any, in the consumer price index from October 1, 2006, to September 30, 2007, rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one per cent.

Effective Date: 12-08-2000; 06-30-2005

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16AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Well again Chuck, since YOU are the boss rescedule the meeting so YOU can attend.

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17VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Oh, Good Grief!

That's why we have elected officials...our vote counts and therefore we put the leadership into office. Frankly, the General Assembly don't want Dodge or Chuck in Columbus! (or myself for that matter) Ohio taxpayers' voice is only heard at the ballot box. Period. Sure, would be nice to attend meetings (town hall, etc)...but it's not designed that way. The only ones that (somewhat think) have the power and control decision-making are the elected officials. And Ka-Sh!t is a hypocrit, we ALL know it and he Stinks! Shameful Politics! Create a budget that includes himself and staffers.

Don't be vulnerable.
We all know a manipulator when we see them.


Vote NO On Issue 2


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18fd6636(255 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Our Republican controlled goverment will not practice what they preach, don't buy into the lies!!!! stop them before its too late. your future rights as a citizen is at risk right now! vote no issue 2, send gov. Lies, and mistruths a message that we see through the bull dung!

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19Philo(99 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Despite all of the rhetoric on both sides of the issue, the current system is not sustainable. If SB 5 is recalled, the end result will almost certainly be a voter backlash where no levies pass, regardless of the need. If no levies pass, then the Senior public sector union members, who absolutely will not hesitate to "eat their own young" will insist on the younger public sector union members being laid off, rather than accept even a modest adjustment in their own pay and benefits. If I were a younger public sector union member with less seniority, I'd think real hard about trying to recall SB 5. In fact, I'd probably support SB 5. As a former union member myself, I can assure you that your senior union brethern won't think twice about seeing you laid off and your family going without. Believe it. You younger union members had better look at past union behavior. You know what I'm saying is true. It's hard enough to get a levy passed now. If SB 5 is recalled, teachers, police, and fireman may not see a levy passed for years. With pay and benefits in the public sector increasing, how far down the seniority list will the axe have to fall before you and your family are impacted?
Eventually, when enough of you younger public sector union employees get laid off, the public sector union will collapse on itself as a result of its own greed and obstructionism. And ironically, as the union dues drop because of the layoffs, those who are left will have to pay higher and higher dues to keep feeding the democrat machine that they are beholden to. Good luck. You're all gonna need it.

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20jmagaratz(166 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Actually, the decision of how to vote on the future of SB-5 is simple.


It is only the conservative fiscal nuts that are making a molehole into a mountain for their selfish purposes.

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21m8ke_the_call(105 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

well said philo

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22walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Have to agree with Philo! All I know is, when I see how all the union hacks are against SB5, I know I have to be for it. These govt unions need reined in ASAP.

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23AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The governor’s senior staff receives an average salary of over $110,000. His office’s total payroll is $5.4 million, an eight-percent increase over his predecessor.

The 27 members of the governor’s cabinet take home an average of $131,000 annually. They also receive $6,600 taxpayer-funded “car allowances.”

“It is absolutely hypocritical for the politicians who support Issue 2 to call for “shared sacrifices” when they aren’t willing to participate,” said Melissa Fazekas, a spokesperson for We Are Ohio, a citizen-driven, community-based, bipartisan coalition that has come together to repeal SB5. “While they were balancing the budget on the backs of public workers, they were also enjoying their perks and giving pay raises and bonuses to their highest paid staff members. This continued “do as I say, not as I do” attitude is exactly why Ohioans want to stop SB 5 by voting NO on Issue 2 on Nov. 8.”


Vote NO on issue 2

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24VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

^^^ Exactly, AAC ^^^

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25VindyPost(436 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Kasich is at war on the middle class. Workers like firefighters and police officers didn’t ask for this fight. sb5 impacts all of us in some way, shape or form. Kasich and the politicians who support his out of touch policies like Issue 2 should be concerned about their attempts to destroy the middle class. This is certainly an ATTACK! Kasich should embrace hardworking middle class Ohioans rather than continuing to insult and attack them. This involves Not only teachers, but also the healthcare industry as gero stated ie: nurses and many more staffers.
It's all about Union-busting, republican political power.
Beware..there is always new discoveries Kasich is perpetrating on Ohioians. sb5 affects ALL of us and don't be fooled. Read the bill thoroughly BEFORE you vote.
What a sneaky slithery snake. Hypocrit.
And no, he is not worth a dollar!

Vote No On Issue 2!


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26theotherside(333 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Bottom Line:

John Kasich, Building a Better Ohio, and the Columbus republicans would have the voters believe that Issue 2 is about public employees paying more into their pensions and health care. And they would have voters believing this while 93% of public employees already pay 10% into pensions (SB 5 mandate) and many public employees already pay 15% for health care, and the rest that do not understand the need to do so. So these republican talking points aren't the issue and this is what the voters have to understand. The majority of voters in Ohio believe public employees should have the right to collectively bargain. SB 5 kills that right by allowing management to adopt it's final offer as a contract without regard for the union position. There will be no reason for management to bargain in good faith because they won't have to. They simply will wait out the negotiation and impose their final offer. This isn't collective bargaining. It is inherently unfair collective begging. The public needs to understand as well that in this fight, working conditions may well be affected for private sector union members as well as non union workers if Issue 2 passes. Why not? The republicans would be emboldened by an Issue 2 passage and feel they are mandated to let the next shoe drop. Is that a chance you are willing to take? Send Columbus the message that Ohioans won't be bullied by Kasich, Niehaus, and Batchelder and Ohio will send a message to the rest of the country that union busting is unacceptable.

Vote No on Issue 2

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27Dan_Moadus(33 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Right now, the issue is the stranglehold the public unions hold over local governments and school systems; nothing more. Please don't confuse the meaning of that statement. I'm not saying public sector workers are overpaid, I don't think anyone in America today is overpaid. I mean that they are paid more than we can afford.

To know that that is true, all one has to do is to look at how high a percentage wages are of most city's and school district's budgets. Generally over 80%. That fact, coupled with the fact that most districts and cities have had to lay employees off because of lack of money, is proof that the current system of negotiating hasn't worked.

The work performed by public sector employees is far more vital than most work performed in the private sector and it should take preference over "fair pay". If wages or benefits have to be reduced to keep adequate staffing in police or fire services, so be it. The current system places more emphasis on fairness, consequently we put public safety and service at risk when tax revenues shrink.

Vote "Yes" on Issue2.

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28RustOnMyBelt(114 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Do any of these posters think that King John really cares about their hardships, their potentially reduced incomes ,increased costs? While at Lehman Brothers, THE Lehman Brothers, Kasich earned upwards of $180 K /yr. The CEO of Lehman left with more than 480 MILLON (six zeros ,please) in his pocket.This Governor could not care less about any of the working-class poor or shrinking middle class . No matter what humble beginnings he claims to hail from he belongs to the elitists. Rest assured he will be handsomely repaid for his efforts once he leaves the political arena. You can take the boy out of Wall Street,but you cannot take the Wall Street out of the boy!

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29snydro0108(61 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Dave Moadus, you and I are obviously a few of the smart ones that can actually READ, INTERPRET, and COMPREHEND what is on this bill, rather than just hearing what the bigots are saying around the "watercooler at work". So yes, vote YES on SB5 is the smart, American way to go, but here in "Our Valley", the Union Way is the Only Way, right?

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30SAVEOURCOUNTRY(470 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

do you refer to bigot kasick? the one who knows how to run a business to the ground. YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BILL! it hurts all who live and work in Ohio. The ads on TV are 1000% factual. Why is staffing important? Safety and for quality of service. If healthcare was the only issue, this bill would not be on the ballet. STOP DRINKING THE COOL AID and see what is happening. First the public unions, then once the strong are defeated the weaker private unions are next. This is an assualt on middle class workers, not a cost cutting measure.


Public workers pay taxes and spend money that help drive this economy. Cuts in wages will reduce that. Far more houses will be foreclosed, remodeling projects won't happen, new Curzes won't be bought, all causing fewer dollars being collected in taxes and more lost jobs in the private sector.
VOTE NO ON SB5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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31JJ(28 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Governed for the people by the people, Kasich seems to not understand this concept of Democracy!

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32GTX66(343 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Only a complete liberal rag like The Vindicator would publish such garbage. Is Kasich in any type of Union? You stupid morons need to read bill and then try to comprehend what it says. Although this may be quite difficult for some of you. Is Kasich worth $148,165? If Obama , Reid, Pelosi et al are worth what they are paid, then Kasich is worth 3 times what he is earning. He at least is trying to do something.
You people keep on thinking the way you do, the total Mahoning Valley will look worse than Youngstown does. We are not a welfare state, stop acting like all you can do is what the Government can do for you.

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33GTX66(343 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I do not understand how this bill can have any effect on nurses unless they work in a State Hospital. My cousin is a Nurse and he has not had a raise in 7 years. There was no such bill causing this.

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34snydro0108(61 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Was Police Chief Hughes worth what he got? HECK NO, so SHUT UP and realize that the GOVERNOR of YOUR STATE OF OHIO is worth EVERY PENNY!!! The Vindy is such a leftwing newspaper...Heck, they are even employing people to speak out about SB5 issue 2. Yeah, THATS not a biased media.

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35slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

once again gtx66 rears his ugly head spewing right wing bs. since you obviously only stop watching foxnews to listen to rush limbaugh and post right wing myopic crap let me fill you in on whats been going on since 2008. the GOP has done absolutely NOTHING to help the economy and have only tried to block anything Obama proposes. Obama ought to use the patriot act to remove them from office, and put them in prison for treason. to outright lie and say Obama has done nothing shows you are a hate monger with absolutely no clue as to what is going on

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36snydro0108(61 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Hey Save Our Country, I know Dan Moadus so well I call him DAVE so quit being a leftwing bigot and do something to Save Our Country. VOTE YES!!! Oh wait...you are probably a union member and are lazy as hell. In that case, vote No you lazy piece of garbage. All you do is get on here and rant and rave about how great the Dems are.....well you wouldnt have to SAVE OUR COUNTRY if your Democratic President, which I am sure you voted for a few Novembers for, did what he SAID he would do. How's Obamacare working for you SOC? Have you made more money this year than you did 8 years ago? Hows that pension of yours? Increasing by the day? SHUT UP! Nobody cares what you have to say anymore you slob!

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37Iwannamove(61 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

God and what exactly has Kasich done? I have not seen anything but he and his fellow Rep lining their pockets. Go ahead and vote a Republican President in and see what hell we will be in. I feel sorry for all these sheep fooled by the republicans. It was GWB that got us in this mess ...Obama's hands are tied. He cannot pass anything with the tea tottlers and and GOP in the house. That is why nothing will get done. Get a Rep in head office and wait and see what they do for there rich cronies while we are living in abandoned buildings for warmth. Or you can go live on one of there slave camps. There won't be a middle class only the filthy rich and the filthy poor.

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