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Youngstown police arrest protesters at D&L site



Published: Wed, November 30, 2011 @ 2:54 p.m.

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Police arrested seven protesters today after they blocked trucks from entering and leaving a D&L Energy well site.

YOUNGSTOWN — Police arrested seven protesters today after they blocked trucks from entering and leaving a D&L Energy well site.

At about noon, protestors stood in front of a truck leaving the Ohio Works Drive brine injection well.

Police Chief Rod Foley ordered their arrests after speaking to the protest's organizer, Ben Shapiro, who was one of the seven arrested.

In the exchange, Shapiro told Foley they were willing to be arrested without resistance.

After the exchange, Foley order the group's arrests, charging the seven with disorderly conduct.

Foley said they will be arraigned Thursday.


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1Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Put the bums in the slammer until after New Years day . There is no reason to overload our courts with their nonsense .

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2rushblvd(15 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Nothing wrong with standing up for something you believe in. Because you may not agree with someone, don't knock them for it, at least they are doing something..

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3VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Protesting is one thing, but blocking others from doing their work is something I do not agree with. That is what the courts and the legal system is designed to do.

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4redvert(2004 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Of course the truck driver could not run over the scumbag and get away with it....at least not in lib land!

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5Motherpearl(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

To everyone: do not sign any leases with D&L Energy! They are shady in every way! Especially Nick P. Stay away from them. They will tie up your land for 10 years, that's not all they will do. Beware!

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6Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rush

"Nothing wrong with standing up for something you believe in."

And what exactly are they standing up for?

"Because you may not agree with someone, don't knock them for it, at least they are doing something."

Blocking people that are trying to work for a living? They can yell and protest all they want but don't stop someone from making a living.
That is just wrong.

motherpearl

I heard the same thing.

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7VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

D&L, Chesapeake, Shell, Mobil Exon...all have leases designed heavily in their favor and are usually 1 to 4 pages long. Never sign a lease brought to you by those who will benefit from it.

If you truely want to protect yourself and your property, bring your own 30+ page lease agreement, as in one drawn up by an attorney or a landowners association which is designed to protect you and limit the drillers. Believe me, they are signing them!

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The protesters today were targeting V&M Star and D&L Energy . Both are companies doing business in Youngstown . After seeing how they are treated who in their right mind would now want to invest in Youngstown ?

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9Think121(51 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Investing in Youngstown = Paying for pollution and earthquakes

At least someone has the nerve to stand up and try to do what the courts and politicians have failed miserably at. I hope there are plenty more. Time to take back our land and evict those that are hurting us. Jobs are not worth the loss. Ask those in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rocky14 :

"Stan

V&M just invested ANOTHER $57 million in Youngstown."

I would not have if I was targeted by the protesters . Most of those protesting are not amongst the ranks of the employed . They don't have a clue as to how much the oil and gas industry plus its support structure does for our quality of life . . ..

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rocky14 :

"That's why you don't own a company.
They go where they can make money.Bottom line."

Companies stay in business providing either services or a product . None of which you provide . BS is neither a service nor a product . . .. The demonsrators are a segment of society out for more handouts with no contribution . Their goal is neither clear nor concise . I see it as feeble minds that have found a cause .

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

You must be an addict to our welfare system that seeks to end the oppression of employment in industry for others . I dont expect you to understand the correlation between industry and the wealth and strength of this nation .

Crude Oil is toxic and the chemicals injected during a frack are no more so . Your hand soap ,if you use any, is as toxic as the frack chemicals .

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13Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook

"The message is CLEAR NO FRACKING OR INJECTING TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO OUR GROUND!!!!!! "

Hmm, hate to burst your bubble but Toxic Chemicals are in our lives EVERYDAY.... Toxic chemicals are in our air, water, soil, food, and in our bodies.

Ever hear of these everyday toxic chemicals?

Radon, Lead, Carbon monoxide, Arsenic, Vinyl chloride, Hydrofluoric acid, Solvents, Disinfectants, Pesticides and so much more......

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14walter_sobchak(1747 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

What about lead? Look at all the deaths that can be attributed to severe lead poisoning in the South Side 'hood!

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15Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I see no ban the bullets demonstrations . .. Yep, high velocity lead is very toxic . ..

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

Spermicide on a condom has a higher degree of toxicity than frack water . Shouldn't you be demonstrating to ban the use of spermicide ?

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17boardmanres(40 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

has anyone contacted our water suppliers to see what baseline has been established and what is being done to monitor these chemicals?

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18VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

We are a society in demand of more energy than ever before. Even the words typed in this comment are done so with the use of energy. Coal, Nuclear, Gas and Oil are all required by us to live our daily lives and we cannot live without it.

My concern is with knowledge of past oil company history. Despite providing us with our vital energy needs, oil company history reminds me they are not the best stewarts of their products and processes. I have seen this first hand on my own property. This needs to change.

It is easy to purchase fuel and energy when it comes from generic sources far from our homes, but when the energy is coming from our back yard and brings with it all the unwanted issues, it brings the hair on the back of my neck to attention.

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19Constructor(105 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

It's a sad day in this country when people exercising their constitutional rights are labled as "bums" and troublemakers.

The same detractors probably cheered when the new 'detain and imprison' law was voted in yesterday, giving the government total and absolute power to detain and imprison US citizens by reason of 'suspicions' of being a terrorist in any form. The definition of terrorist is very broad and can include somebody merely stating their dislike for the way the government operates to the wrong person. FEMA 'emergency camps' have been constructed across the US over the last 5-6 years, and are intended to imprison US citizens under the new law that was just passed. This law, and the 'emergency camps' are what will be used to imprison people when they begin to publicly demonstrate and show their disdain for the way things are in this country. In other words, they will be used to put down what our government officials view as revolutionary type demonstrations. In the near future, you will no longer be able to complain about or change how your government runs. Of course, this will please the posters on here who don't want to see things like OWS or people protesting against gas companies drilling on their property.

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Get serious ! If you dont want to participate in the benefits that is your choice . Scap the car and sever the gasline from the house . This way you wont be contributing to the problem that you perceive .

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21Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Constructor -Well said.

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22Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

INTERFERING and OBSTRUCTING!!! - -Is that what the colonies did to Britain ? Would the Boston Tea Party come under that heading ?

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23Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

constructor

"Of course, this will please the posters on here who don't want to see things like OWS or people protesting against gas companies drilling on their property. "

If you want to protest do it the right way, cut out everything that uses gas in your life. Kind of contradicting yourself when you use and need the gas everyday.

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24Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Lifes2Short I would think almost all the protesters aren't against the use of gas but rather the particular method used to extract it.

To my knowledge there hasn't exactly been a huge shortage of natural gas . The oil companies were famous for yelling shortage when in fact there is still plenty of oil.Its not the use its the extraction method.

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25Constructor(105 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Being a good steward of the environment while extracting its riches is what people like me and the protesters are for. I have absolutely no qualms with anybody over making an honest dollar and hope they make a fortune off of it. It seems that people who won't compromise on anything like to twist words and intentions around, to create a totally different argument to draw attention away from the true problem, without comprehending or addressing the actual problems.

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26Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I am still waiting for the feeble minded to lead the way . Have you scrapped your car yet ? Got that gas line severed and removed from the house ? LEAD FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY !

Energy companies are the very foundation of our security and way of life . Fighter jets, tanks and ships are fueled by petroleum products . Oil and gas production is responsible for our meals, housing and even hauling the feeble minded to the demonstration sites . Ever hear the term " if you got it a truck brought it" ? The trucking industry is fueled by petroleum products derived by fracking geological formations containing oil and gas .

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27Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

constructor

And how would you extract it? And don't you think there taking every precaution to protect the Earth? Or do you think there doing it on purpose? If there was a better way don't you think they would do it? Just saying.

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28aryafj(1 comment)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

These protestors are so obviously sweet and well-intentioned, to hear the words, "arrested for disorderly conduct," seems almost a joke. Except, it's not. Apparently, a lot of the commenters on this site, just don't get it. Please, get educated about fracking water. Understand that if you don't have a healthy environment, you don't get a future.

But, my message is for the protestors themselves, "Kudos to you! Fight on! Somebody has to, and you are tomorrow's world. If anybody has a right to resist, it's you, our youth. Now that you have been arrested, you can put it on your resume. Everyone who puts themselves out there for a good cause, such as protecting the environment, should know this is something to be proud of. Keep up the great work!" OCCUPY Bergen County

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

aryafj :

Perhaps you can truly lead the way !

SCAP YOUR CAR . . ..
SEVER AND REMOVE YOUR GAS LINE . . ..

Petroleum products by their very nature are toxic and deadly . Cars propelled by hydrocarbons kill people . Homes using natural gas explode from gas leaks .

Fracking has been removing oil and gas from the ground for years . These deadly hydrocarbons have been used by farmers to create bumper crops contributing to obesity . Yes, yes, I am begining to see the light . . ..

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30southsidedave(4709 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Regardless of anyone believes, there is money to be made in Youngstown.

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31Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

southsidedave :

"Regardless of anyone believes, there is money to be made in Youngstown."

You bet ! Big fines and large bonds on the protesters is a start !

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32Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

aryafj

"Understand that if you don't have a healthy environment, you don't get a future."

And fracking is going to be the end of the World and environment? What about the other pollutants? There OK? Hmmm maybe to have some creditability maybe you can live off the land in some faraway place. That would really prove yourself and your protest.

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33MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

THE CRACK in youngstown creates more pollution- and road kill- - these dopes are the reason why y-town remains a crack empire where other states ship their garbage to.

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34webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The arrests are a sterling example of who owns the police ... not ordinary Americans exercising their 1st Amendment rights. The police should be joining the protesters and protecting the demonstrators. Blocking that truck was exactly the right thing to do in this circumstance. It's called non-resistant civil disobedience and it draws attention to a cause.

"We should be proud that the basic guarantees of free speech and assembly are at the core of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Those who would deprive us of these "inalienable rights" are the real radicals. Let no group or party exploit what many of us see as the growth of ignorance and indifference in society. Policies that lead to short-sighted political and economic gain will be easily seen for what they are. The best guarantee for our future and that of our children will, and has always been, educated, active citizens. So, when it comes to "Occupy Main Street," let us not forget that these are Americans, ourselves in fact, who are exercising their rights and duties as citizens. And by exercising them, they preserve them for everyone."

Source of quote:
http://huff.to/rS8cGb

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35webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Please, Stan. You are a complete ignoramus. Your short insipid wrong-headed comments are absurd. Pull it out, will you?

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36Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

webad :

"Please, Stan. You are a complete ignoramus."

Thanks for the compliment ! :)

http://images.cheezburger.com/complet...

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37Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Hunter "So, if I understand your statement correctly, are you disgusted that we're not being ruled by the British?" -

- - --Ah no I think things turned out pretty good that was my point if you were addressing me.

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38webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Re:
"Thanks for the compliment ! :)"
http://images.cheezburger.com/complet...

I rest my case, Stan. You are a complete ignoramus.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

webad :

"I rest my case, Stan. You are a complete ignoramus."

You bad . . .. but not bright . . . ..

http://images.cheezburger.com/complet...

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40Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

weNOTbad

"Blocking that truck was exactly the right thing to do in this circumstance. It's called non-resistant civil disobedience and it draws attention to a cause."

Really?? Blocking that truck did exactly what?? Get arrested? For what? Being a idiot and blocking a truck. Wow that is not being bad that is just being "stupid". smh at such stupidity.

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

The gulf spill was because of bureaucracy . Failure to respond immediately due to waiting for permission . So do we need your permission to heat our homes and drive our cars ? Your garbage dumped at the Kish Landfill didn't need my permission . Where have any wells in the area caused such pollution ?

Farmers tilling the fields are causing obesity . Eliminate the deadly hydrocarbon and we will be a much slimmer nation . Yep, I get the picture . . ..

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

"The Gulf spill was caused by not having the technology in place to stop the flow."

Sever your head as see if your arms function . When there was hydraulic pressure to slam shut the BOP the order was to wait . When fire consumed the platform it was a bit late .

Do we need your permission to fuel the farms and industry ? How about heating the houses ? Your logic would make fuel scarce and prices very high . Thank the libs for the much higher prices of today due to the no drill policy .

If you were concerned about water you would clean up the Kish Landfill . Now where have the wells polluted ?

You are a typical lib who is not endowed with high level logic . . . ..

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

Pssstttttt . . .. You can really be of use to shut down those nasty oil and gas producers . . ..

QUIT EATING . . .. Farmers need shut down as they are heavy users of petroleum products . . ..

LOBBY TO END THE USE OF ROAD SALT . . .. Hundreds of thousands of tons contaminate our waterways with chlorides . . ..

LOBBY TO DIG UP AND REMOVE THE KISH LANDFILL . . .. It is leaching into the water table . . ..

SEVER YOUR GASLINE and remove it . . ..

SCRAP YOUR CAR

Let's make it happen . . . ..

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook :

"Some inside information for you STAN."

Some inside information for you rjbook . . ..

Hundreds of thousands of tons of granular salt are purchased and stored for the winter months . . . .. Liquid is bad but granular is good . . . ..

I like my beef sprinkled with granular chloride and pepper . . . .. Oh, I get it now . . . ..

Shut off your electric as a good portion of it is generated by gas . . . ..

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45Laker(21 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Stan(9726 comments) cannot compose complete sentences, either. Sad

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46Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Laker :

I am working my way up to ebonics . . ..

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47Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Wow it amazes me that people think Fracking is going to be the end of it all. Look outside and see all the pollutants in our everyday lives...
Just a few...
air pollution
water pollution
land pollution
noise pollution

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48webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Environmentalists never said that everything occurring naturally in the Earth is safe.

Again some of you must be reminded that you are responsible for your own bad circumstances ... because you're beyond stupid. You either do not know or you choose to ignore the plentiful evidence that fracking is deadly.

So stay relaxed. Have another cup of cancer and another slice of heart disease. See you in hell.

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49Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

What the . . ..

http://tshirtdaily.com/wp-content/upl...

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50Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"Again some of you must be reminded that you are responsible for your own bad circumstances ... because you're beyond stupid.

Humor me, beyond what bad circumstances? Fracking? Seriously? Fracking going to be the end of the World? Wow, thanks for the headups.....smh at such stupidity...

" You either do not know or you choose to ignore the plentiful evidence that fracking is deadly. "

Humor me once again......explain evidence that fracking is deadly?

"Hydro-fracking has a long history of success. First introduced in 1908, forty years later it became a commercially viable method to safely extract America's most abundant energy from bedrock strata. Over one million gas wells have been fracked without a single incident of environmental impact. This didn't stop Ian Urbina of the New York Times from citing a case from 1984 in an Aug 2011 article warning of tainted water and the possibility of benzene in fracking fluid.

Fracking fluid secret ingredients are not secret at all. EPA and state government Dept. of Environmental Conservation agencies require energy companies to file Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) for every chemical used on the drill site, period.

Ninety percent of fracking fluid is water with 9.5% sand the other half percent the secret ingredients, common household chemicals we all flush daily into the municipal gray water system.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/0...

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51Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

webad may be toying with some deadly chemicals of his own causing the latest outburst . Of course liberals need them to be able to function but I suggest that he does it in moderation .

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52Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The Kish Landfill is polluting the aquifer 24/7 . Where have any gas wells in the area done so ?

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53Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook

"Ask the people of Demic Pa. or the residents of Dish Tx. how they like the water in there wells."

• Fracking causes cancer. In Dish, Texas, Mayor Calvin Tillman caused a furor this year by announcing that he was quitting to move his sons away from "toxic" gases—such as cancer-causing benzene—from the town's 60 gas wells. State health officials investigated and determined that toxin levels in the majority of Dish residents were "similar to those measured in the general U.S. population." Residents with higher levels of benzene in their blood were smokers. (Cigarette smoke contains benzene.)

All of this growth has inevitably attracted critics, notably environmentalists and their allies. They've launched a media and political assault on hydraulic fracturing, and their claims are raising public anxiety. So it's a useful moment to separate truth from fiction in the main allegations against the shale revolution.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...

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54Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

My interests are cheap fuel sources and abundant food supplies . Oil and Gas companies fuel our way of life . Who wants to live in squalor being hungry and cold ?

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55Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

rjbook

"Lifetoshort
Another person that is misinformed. "

How am I misinformed? Do you have any facts about Fracking and water contamination? Didn't think so....

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56southbelle22(16 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

to stan and other angry gas company supporters: we're not all crackheads, thugs, bums, and tree huggers that are opposed to the current and past way the gas companies are handling their business, if you will. Some of us just want to continue our way of life farming the land that has been in our families for generations and see it here and usable for generations to come, and that just ain't happenning. They are knocking on our doors and lying through their teeth. they'll tell you it's just like drilling a water well - it ain't. they'll tell you all that they'll leave behind is the size of a garbage can - it ain't. they'll tell you it won't effect your land and then turn around and leave you with fields that will never grow anything again. they'll tell you the reason your cows are dropping dead have nothing to do with the junk that smells like rotten eggs and burnt hair that they dumped all over your pastures. the lies never stop. then to top everything off when you think it can't get any worse, they sell the leases to a chinese or indian company (that's "India" Indians for all you dim bulbs out there)

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57Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

southbelle22 :

Park and scrap that car .

Sever and remove that gas line from your house .

Quit eating ? Yep, food is trucked in and farmers use plenty of fuel to produce crops .

Together in unison we can stop the drilling ! Those deadly hydrocarbons need to be left locked in the ground . Who needs them ?

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58southbelle22(16 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

stan, its china calling. they said thanks for your support and all the cheap gas. keep up the good work commie!

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59Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

southbelle22 :

Use drugs in moderation . I would tell you to quit using them but then you would call me rude and insensitive .

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60Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Some would have you believe that this type of Fracking is the only way to get at gas and oil and only here. It kind of makes you wonder how natural gas and oil were removed in the past. Were homes heated and cars driven before the big shale idea?The answer is yes!

Reminds me of the difference between unsafe retreat mining where profits are maximized but safety compromised and other safer mining methods. The coal is still removed only in a safer and more expensive method to the coal companies.

It is so nice of our politicians to allow all the chemical water from other states to come here.If it is so safe why don't they want it ??????

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61Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

We can import LNG and crude oil so there is no need for any drilling . The Arabs need the money and we can afford to pay a lot more . . ..

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62Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Pennsylvania , Texas , Alaska ECT. I guess my point was drilling happened here in the good old USA and cars ran, farmers farmed , homes were heated and I don't recall anything about chemical water being used.

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63Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Exonmobile makes a lot more money than the host . They made the record profits when the stock market was peaking and oil prices were at record highs.

They are owned by the Rockefeller s who are known to care that people in Youngstown get cheap gas.

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64Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Well Bigben you certainly don't care about the people of Youngstown or their ability to have cheap gas to heat with and cheap petroleum products to help supply them with food . . ..

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65Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Sure I do Stan I just don't believe the Rockefeller's will deliver it any cheaper given their track record. Lets get those petroleum products we need by the safer methods.

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66Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

These methods of extraction have been used for decades . We enjoyed very cheap fuel until drilling was suppressed . Your ideas will make fuel a luxury that only the very rich will afford . Let's keep oil and gas a commodity for the masses . DRILL BABY DRILL !

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67Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

There are natural gas wells on the farm I hunt on in southern Trumbull and they produce just fine without chemical water .

"These methods of extraction have been used for decades" - -And yet we have seen huge fluctuations in prices . You have more faith in the existence of a free market system where the Exxon mobiles won't gouge us . I am more skeptical and I don't like the chemicals .I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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68Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Your car will run just fine without a fillup until it runs out . . ..

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69Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

LOL. I'll be sure to fill up.

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70Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

I hate to burst your bubble but every well in production in Trumbull County has been hydrofractured . Many of these wells have depleted the producing strata and are prime candidates for plugging . Can you say running on empty ? . . ..

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71Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

These wells were not horizontally hydrofractured and they are still producing. Running on full.

Are you arguing that the water people drink can in no way be poisoned from this horizontally hydrofractured drilling? I have to tell you I like driving and having heat and I also like water because I need it to live. Maybe you don't place a high value on water but without it driving becomes rather trivial real fast. A few days without water and your gas worries are over.Water vs gas -water wins.

Why are other states shipping their chemical water here instead of dealing with it in their own states?

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72Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

When that can of beans has had the contents shook out you can still scrape the can for a spoonful . Those Trumbull County wells were injected with the same chemicals as those horizontal wells of today . Sanitary sewers taking your flush to the treatment plant are much deadlier to drink than frack water . The solution ? Resist the urge to drink either one .

This winter we should ban the use of all road salt . Shut the highways down when they get icy . Salt hasn't affected the grass growing alongside the roads . The grass is lush and still needs mowed . Those dead deer that you see on the highways were not killed by the grass, salt or frack water .

The solution to keep those protesting drilling happy is to stop drilling . We can import all that we need from the Middle East . LNG tankers can haul natural gas for heating and refined products such as gasoline and diesel fuel can be hauled by conventional tankers . This will eliminate the need for any refineries . We can afford the much higher prices .

We have have drilled, hydrofractured and produced here in the states for many decades . Too much is taken for granted and the uninformed are eliminating their future from life as we know it today by stopping drilling activities . Hyper inflation will result and the average person will be forced to live in squalor .

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73Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

" Those Trumbull County wells were injected with the same chemicals as those horizontal wells of today . Sanitary sewers taking your flush to the treatment plant are much deadlier to drink than frack water ."

- - - -- -If that is so then why doesn't Pennsylvania and Texas want that chemical water.Why are we taking the water they don't want.You haven't answered that question.

"We can import all that we need from the Middle East ." - -- Haven't your boys been doing that for years.

I hate to burst your bubble Stan but there is no free market it is controlled by the big boys and if there is hyperinflation which I can see coming it is because our money is worthless and it is worthless because it is backed by nothing.The oil middle men were famous for price fixing.It wouldn't matter if we used corn , oil or the sun itself those who have the money make the rules and they don't care about me or Stan only themselves.

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74Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Politics and energy = HIGH PRICES

The stupidity of the masses = unequivocal support

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75Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"Politics and energy = HIGH PRICES " - - -True look at all the politicians that have been bought in Ohio recently even the ODNR.

"The stupidity of the masses = unequivocal support" - -Yep.

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76Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 exempted hydraulic fracturing from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, so that drillers do not have to provide lists of what chemicals are used.

Being that the wells in Trumbull I mentioned have existed since at least 1995 your theory " Those Trumbull County wells were injected with the same chemicals as those horizontal wells of today ." ....

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77Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The intellectually compromised will support their living in squalor for a phanton cause . Dishwashing soap and laundry detergents have much in common with frack chemicals and there is no movement to end their use . Ending their use would not be tolerated . Their exact formulas are also proprietary .

If you desire to live third world you will get your wish when drilling is stopped and the total collapse of our economy can't be stopped . Our economy and way of life are dependent on cheap energy .

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78Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"Dish washing soap and laundry detergents have much in common with frack chemicals and there is no movement to end their use ." - -This is conjecture .

". . . .way of life are dependent on cheap energy " -- -I don't know how long you have been around but I can recall gas lines as a kid in the late 70s and early 80s.

Many excuses were given for the "shortage". There was no shortage any more than there was a shortage in 2007 when gas spiraled upward .It has gone up and down over the decades .The excuses ranged from were going to run out to not enough processing facilities.It was all hogwash.The big boys set the prices regardless of how much is available because they can and who will stop them? There is nothing you or I can do to change it .If the powers that be decide that we won't use cars anymore ..we won't.They run the world Stan and that is the truth.

Our way of life is changing and will continue to change.The government will continue to buy more private land and put it in the hands of the wealthy elite.We will continue to see jobs go over seas, we will continue to see unions weakened and broken.We will continue to see more government intrusion into our lives and less privacy and an evaporation of the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

You may or may not realize this but it has already been planned.So you can wish for cheap fuel but it isn't coming for the reasons already described.Can we stop the big boys from poisoning the water ? -- I doubt it.Will fuel be cheaper? - - -No. Will it go to China ? Could very well be and wouldn't that be a slap in the face?This old world is going to hell in a hand basket and the only thing that will save it is the return of the good Lord.

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79Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"". . . .way of life are dependent on cheap energy " -- -I don't know how long you have been around but I can recall gas lines as a kid in the late 70s and early 80s."

We had a shortage when the Arabs shut off the flow . Drilling here in the states told them where to go . Stop the drilling and give them the advantage once again . . .. Bountiful energy equals bountiful freedom for all . . ..

http://autonomousmind.files.wordpress...

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80Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

We had a shortage when the Arabs shut off the flow . - - -Carter shut off the oil imports from Iran causing prices to soar even though Saudi Arabia increased production and exports.

Drill at home -sure but responsibly.

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81Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

southbelle

"They are knocking on our doors and lying through their teeth."

Then just "no" to your land. Not to difficult.

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82Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jessiedavid

Although this article deals with the topic of fracking, I can tell you that in Trumbull County that there has been a huge sweep over the last couple of years for folks to replace or repair their old systems or if sewer is available it has been mandatory to tie in.

I have read that there are up to 595 chemicals in the fracking fluid through captured samples . As it stands now due to the 2005 ACT drillers are exempt from providing lists of them. So how can real monitoring happen ? If there is nothing to hide why the exemption ?
Do some research of folks who have had issues out west and then after you have studied from all sides make up your own mind ? I would be in favor of the drilling if it were safe and done responsibly. Additionally we don't know whether this will go to Asia instead of right at home.

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83Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Bigben :

Septic tank fluids are injested by many on a daily basis . These fluids contain a smorgasbord of chemicals and bio hazards that are far deadlier than salty frack water . Frack water issues are more of a class warfare brought about by those whose concers have overwhelmed the news . Try to ban leaky septic tanks flowing into water wells and you will have a real fight . . ...

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84Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

This is just one study . Pennsylvania was contaminated with radioactivity long before the drilling boom . Rain and melting snow washes it into the drainage system . The cliffs alongside of the rivers have plenty of hotspots . The material from drilling goes into pits and is encased . The material from the cliffs oozes into the streams as it has for many centuries .

http://pubs.usgs.gov/tem/0503/report.pdf

INTRODUCTION
An occurrence of uranium in Carbon County, Pa0 was known as early as 1874 when Genth (1875)
reported autunite near Mauch Chunk but did not give the exact location of the occurrence,, In 1912 Wherry
(1912) described an occurrence of carnotite northwest of Mauch Chunk, which he believed to be the one
reported by Genth. More recently, McKeown (1949) found an occurrence of uranium southeast of Mauch
Chunk. In July 1953 two occurrences of uranium north of Mauch Chunk were discovered by the writers during
a reconnaissance for radioactive materials.

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85Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Stan "Septic tank fluids are injested by many on a daily basis . These fluids contain a smorgasbord of chemicals and bio hazards that are far deadlier than salty frack water ."- - - I don't buy that. Formaldehyde and 590 plus cousins are pretty nasty stuff.I don't wish to drink either but I know that there is a lot of frack water coming not just from Ohio but from other states -millions upon millions of gallons.If someone has pee in their well water due to contamination does that man its OK to drink a chemical cocktail as well.I don't see the logic in that at all.

Jessiedavid -- I agree clean drinking water is important.I thought you guys would be happy about the steps that have been taken in Trumbull.I guess you won't be researching on the problems with fracking fluid contaminating water then? If that is the case that is fine.

To whomever it may concern,
If I have the argument down correctly since some septic systems can pollute well water it is OK to potentially further pollute that well and other wells that are not polluted. Just wanted to make sure I had it right.

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86Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

But, to be credible about doing what's positively right for the environment we MUST do away with fracking, and ALL OTHER forms of pollution that are listed at the EPA web site, to really make our drinking water safe. - - - Remember ask yourself if it makes sense to create more problems because other problems exist? Texas doesn't seem to think so.Fracking soup is being shipped here from Texas and they have lots of agriculture there .Pennsylvania has lots of dairy they don't think so either and prefer to ship it here. New York may fall into that category as well.when you put that much fluid into one area -ours - you exponentially INCREASE the the danger of poisoning the water.

We can test water for all the contamination you mention and then address the problem as is being done in Trumbull.How do we do that with Fracking when the chemical soup is magically EXEMPT ???????????????? How do you regulate something you know is in the fluid but officially doesn't EXIST ?????

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87Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Frack water isn't being dumped into your water well but septic system fluids are . So when illness resuls surely a well being fracked ten miles away wont be blamed . Right ?

Landfills are not only exempt but pollute the greatest . The dangers of fracking wells are more political than they are real .

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88Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jessiedavid, Here are a few .

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitts... "Of the 2.4 million barrels of fracking water injected into Ohio disposal wells last fall, 39 percent came from other states. During the first three months of this year, 49 percent came from out of state, Tomastik said."

http://topics.dallasnews.com/article/...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/arti... also recently agreed to take wastewater from Texas.

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89Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/arti... "Ohio also recently agreed to take wastewater from Texas." - -I forgot the quotation marks and the word Ohio .

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90Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitts... has six active deep-injection disposal wells, all in Somerset, Clearfield, Beaver and Erie counties, but state Department of Environmental Protection records show drillers tapping the state's gas-rich Marcellus shale rely completely on Ohio to take their waste. Companies sent nearly 14.8 million gallons for underground disposal in the last six months of 2010, the most recent statistics available."- - -Thought I would save folks some time on this one.

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91Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Stan - - - "The dangers of fracking wells are more political than they are real ." - -So again why the exemption? Again why do other states not want it? Texas ? I think the one article I posted mentioned Indiana is considering shipping their fracking fluid.There are a lot of states between here and Texas. Is it because we are so smart ?Are we so nice? Or are we a toilet?

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92Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

We quit manufacturing here in The States . The Chinese are manufacturing for us . Is it because we are so smart ? The word of the day is "convenience" .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convenience

Convenience is anything that is intended to save resources (time, energy) or frustration.

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93Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Stan, Is it convenient for Texas to ship there fracking fluid all the way to Ohio?

Jessiedavid-

Wanting something good for the area is wonderful.However, when other states don't want it that causes me to stop and question why.

If the technology exists to do so called clean fracking why isn't it being done ? Telling us someday maybe does no good right now.Wouldn't it make sense to remove the exemption and put the recycling of the fracking fluid in place before drilling?Wouldn't that be positive?

If you think the water that the EPA monitors that many of us drinks would be worse than water poisoned by 590 plus chemicals you are mistaken.If offered a choice between a cup of fracking fluid or a cup water from Meander untreated I don't know about you but I am going with the latter.

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94Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

No brine from Texas to my knowledge has been injected in our area that I know of . Many thousands of gallons of leachate from the landfills is exempt and flowing . A lot of it is from New York garbage disposed of here .

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95Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Jessiedavid,

"I'm guessing that's because it is has not yet tested as reliable as the present technology, and despite all of the hysteria from the fracking protesters, about the present technology, there are not enough good reasons to wait. ' -

- -Yes we disagree. I think waiting would be the prudent thing to do since the gas isn't going any where and we are talking an awful lot of volume.

'...will help force healthy competition, and the cleaner fracking technology will therefore become a reality, sooner rather than later."

- -I hope so but I am skeptical. I think the big boys have agreed to put the clean concept on the back burner.That exemption in 2005 makes it impossible for the watch dogs to protect us. So into the foreseeable future they can do as they please.I pray for the families with kids especially that God watches over them when things go sour.

God Bless,

Bigben

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96Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"No brine from Texas to my knowledge has been injected in our area that I know of ." - --I have shown you that Texas is shipping fracking waste fluids to Ohio. How can you say they are not shipping it here or near here with any certainty? It is a long haul from Texas to Ohio.

New York trash: Don't forget New Jersey and I am sure others. So that means we are a toilet and take all the fracking waste fluids from as many states as we can ? What is next nuclear waste?
I don't see the logic.

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97Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Nuclear energy is being generated on the shores of Lake Erie with little fanfare . The Two Mile island meltdown contaminated both Pennsylvania and Ohio . Landfill leachate flows many thousands of gallons daily . There is a several mile hole under Lake Erie from salt mining . Thousands of tons of salt are then dumped on the roadways every winter . Millions of gallons of sewage with feces are processed and dumped onto the streams and Lake Erie daily . In comparison the problems with well drilling have been very minimal .

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98Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Stan ,

"Nuclear energy is being generated on the shores of Lake Erie with little fanfare:" - --At least one of them has had a leak. Sounds like we don't need more troubles.

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99Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Lets bash the drilling more to divert attention from the other crap . . ..

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100Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Lets address problems with the former and not neglect the latter.

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