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Winners played to win: President loses big

Published: Sun, November 20, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

There has been speculation as to the ramifications of this past election and what it means for the 2012 presidential election. Issues 2 and 3 have garnered national media coverage for months. Political pundits have proclaimed the outcome of this past election will predict whether President Obama will win a second a term. While the news outlets were quick to bury Issue 2 and declare a solid Democratic victory, they were stunned by the passage of Issue 3 by an even larger margin, which gives the Republicans a large peg on which to hang their hat.

United they spent

Organized labor is the big winner coming out of this election. After raiding $17 million in union dues to conduct the largest smear campaign in the history of Ohio politics, the unions showed they are a force to be reckoned with even if most of the money came from outside state. Nevertheless, the monopoly unions have over Ohio’s public employees is here to stay much to the chagrin of Ohio taxpayers. Ironically, the same people who opposed the cost saving measures of Issue 2 are the same people who voted against additional tax levies across the state for local government, schools, and emergency services.

President Obama is the big loser coming out of this election. While the repeal of Senate Bill 5 is an accomplishment for unions and the Democratic Party as a whole, Obama has to know that the Democrats who overwhelmingly voted to repeal Issue 2 are the same ones that voted to allow Ohio to opt out of Obamacare.

It is ironic that while the Democratic support for unions is alive and well in Ohio, the same cannot be said for the policies of this Democratic president. While the Democrats want to portray Issue 2 as a referendum on John Kasich, it actually was a referendum on a fabricated bogeyman created by massive false and misleading advertising. The passage of Issue 3, on the other hand, stands as a pure repudiation of Barack Obama and his policies.

For the Republican Party, it was a draw. We Are Ohio, the anti-S.B. 5 organziation, bested their opponents, Building a Better Ohio, on money, messaging, and manpower. The pro-Issue 2 campaign lacked passion and backbone. Confused voters, absent any legitimate alternative, voted no.

Winners played to win

The unions mounted a precision campaign that played at the heartstrings of all people across Ohio and raised a ton of money, exactly what they were supposed to do. In power politics, you have to play to win. The pro-Issue 2 team barely made it out of the locker room onto the field.

But the win on Issue 3, a repudiation of Obama’s keystone legislation, coupled with the $17 million the unions were forced to spend this year as opposed next year, bodes well for the Republicans in 2012. Democrats and Republicans can both find victory in the last election. But they both can find storm warnings. It will make for an interesting election year.

Alex Mangie is a lifelong resident of the Mahoning Valley and has been active in Republican politics for many years. He is a Certified Public Accountant currently working for the Mahoning County Board of Elections. He wrote this for the Mahoning County Republican Party.


1fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Jesus H............ Alex, STOP!!! Its over, get over it!!! We WIN, you loose!! No one forced anything on unions, and a smear campaign?? Stop already! It was a Truth campaign!! 2 million voters seen Issue 2 for what it was, and Im not beating that dead horse again!! (you know what you get when you beat a dead horse dont ya? Flies!!!) Issue 3 will be setteled in Supreme court, the vote ment NOTHING In the state. Ok?? now, STOP, STOP, STOP!!! its over!!! Put it to rest!

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2Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Fd, Issue 3 means EVERYTHING. If we were just talking about Issue 2, it would be one thing.

But....how exactly does Issue 2 go down and Issue 3 NOT go down? If the Democrats came out to vote, and I can assure you they did in massive numbers, why did Issue 2 fail and Issue 3 pass?

I will give you the easy answer: Democrats like unions, but they don't like Obama here. When Republican Issue 3 passes in Mahoning County, I think that is more revealing than Issue 2 failing. Issue 2 was SUPPOSED to fail here, and yet those same Democrats voted down Obamacare in huge numbers.

If I was Obama, I'd be taking a real hard look at this election.

As far as stopping, I am calling shennanigans on Issue 2. I called you liars before, and I'm calling you liars now. This election was about justifying the existence of public employee unions and the campaign money train (which the Secretary of State's office did say union dues fund these issue campaigns, not PACs), not because it had the interests of its members at heart.

And another thing: I don't want to hear anymore about corporate lobbying and unions playing victim. The campaign finance reports speak for themselves--$17 million to $6 million? Sounds like the unions continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the Ohio citizens, and what is worse, most of that money came from D.C., not from Ohio.

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3Education_Voter(1174 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Bullcrap Alex.
Every single member of the Ohio Education Association put down at least $50. toward the campaign. That's more than 6.5 million just from one group of teachers.

It's what happens when enough "little people" put their small contributions together. We also asked for, and got, a contribution from the National Education Association at their annual meeting. Again, working people putting their contributions down.

Don't like democracy? Too bad. It's our system.

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4fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

alex: was not all democrats who voted against the issue 2....... you sound like a "spolied" republib who most likely got everything you wanted in life, and can't handle not getting something you wanted. waa....... Unions win, you loose!!! Alex, this a middle class, union state. Move to N. Carolina if you feel wool pulled!! Safety forces VOTED or, if you can't understand that , voluntarly donated monies to the campaign to defeat this republib, socialist bill. We weren't forced, we did it by vote! socialists such as yourself don't understand that, you like will imposing better.Your problem is the ultra wealthy from the rest of the country ABANDONED Kasich when they saw a looser comming, and choose not to "invest" in a buisness proposition that was not going to benefit them. so, yea, we out spent you!!! Sorry, the ultra wealthys, and the corps didn't come thru for your cause, they showed their true colors!!! So, Alex, if you and yours can't stand the heat, You know the rest!!!

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5fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

By the way Alex, The health care issue will ultimately be decided by this country's highest court. Why fight it!!! This is the same principle as a corporate lawsuit. Why invest money and time on it!!! Big buisness 101 Alex!!! now, STOP, ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!! MOVE ON!! GO SPEND TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY, GO WATCH FOOTBALL, I AM!!!

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6VindyPost(436 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago


Give it up, already! Your "storm warning" has been cancelled!
Sorry, buddy---Pathetic Article!

Issue 2 = Slam Dunk!
The Citizens Have Spoken Loud and Clear. Big, big WIN!!! It's called Middle Class Ohioians' Voices Heard. No smear, overwhelming real deal.

Regarding Issue 3 = small factor in Obama's Presidential Campaign for Re-Election. No Impact! Period.

Frankly, There's NOBODY for Pres. Obama to even run against! This is *key* here. The Republican outlook looks dark, dim, and dreary. The GOP debates proven a disastrous "gaffe" for all --just a domino effect. Watching them is better than "Saturday Night Live!" (or stand-ups at your local comedy club)

Now, as for Jobs, Republicans are holding jobs hostage! Who's the mastermind / bogeyman here?

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7AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

First of all:
"" I want to thank all the teapubs who said they signed petitions so we could vote away issue 2. ""

Alex, you seem bent out of shape that 17 million was spent to fight sb5. Well thats only $48.00 a person of the 350,000 union workers that would have been effected. I believe that was money well spent by them. The workers of OHIO stood up for themselves, and eliminated issue 2.

Issue 3 will have very little impact in 2012 election. Just because issue 3 was voted down, does not mean Dems do not want Obama.

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8Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

For the record, I called the Secretary of State and was told specifically that on issues such as these unions can give directly from their general treasury, AKA union dues.

Now, if you wish to challenge me, call and ask for yourselves. Because if it was union PACs giving, they'd be subject to campaign contribution limits, which I assure you no limits were adhered to.

I feel sorry for you people that you are completely ignorant to how things work. I'm not even angry how vicious and full of venom you are--that is a culmination of generations that has grown more vicious over time. But when the SOS Office says unions dues can be spent unlimited on state issues, I will take their word for it.

But, please leave the personal attacks at the door next time before you go jumping on me not knowing about campaign finance loopholes and the campaign finance laws. I've been doing campaigns for over ten years and have done campaign finance half of that time. When you've put the time in and know how the laws work, get back to me.

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9VindyPost(436 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

^^^ Windpipe ^^^

Quit wasting stored energy.
Quit wasting your breath.
Now, get to more productive things that value life's existence!

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10AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago


For the record
isuue 2 was defeated. 61-39%.

Give it up. 61% of OHIO did not want issue2/sb5. So WE voted it away.

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11notgvn(6 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes, our unions spent a lot to defeat SB 5. We who belong to a public union demanded it it of them. However, Alex ignores the fact the that polls were consistent from March, before the bill even passed the Assembly, clear through the election. The pro side NEVER broke 40% in the PPP or Quinnipiac or any other nonpartisan poll. More than TWO MILLION Ohioans voted against SB5 because the Republic majority in the Assembly exceeded its mandate. SB5 allowed the workers to bargain for wages, but removed anything that would compel employers from having to even listen. Thats what was meant by "collective begging." Further the Assembly had no business interfering in the relationship between the unions and their members, as in the clause that ended mandatory dues. Lawyers pay bar fees or they dont practice in Ohio; public school teachers belong to unions or pay their fair share. Now the Attorney General has rejected the 1851 Centers antiunion proposed amendment. Move on.

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