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Occupy group defies YPD



Published: Fri, November 11, 2011 @ 12:10 a.m.

Protesters ignore police’s midnight deadline to remove tent, barrel

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Youngstown police Capt. David McKnight speaks with Occupy Youngstown protesters Thursday night. An order from the police chief was given for the group to remove a tent and barrel from the protest site.

By David Skolnick

and Jeanne Starmack

news@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

They were ordered to remove their tent and burn barrel from the city’s Central Square, and the Occupy Youngstown movement decided to take that sitting down.

Police Chief Rod Foley hand-delivered a letter to the group around noon Thursday, ordering them to remove the tent, barrel and other items by midnight, citing city-ordinance violations.

However, by 12:20 a.m. no police had arrived, and the protesters were just milling around with some visitors who came to support them, including state Rep. Bob Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th.

Several hours earlier, around 8 p.m., about 40 members of the group, part of the national Occupy Wall Street movement, gathered in front of their white plastic tent beside the sidewalk near their barrel, which was keeping them toasty in the evening chill. They had to decide what to do. Should they comply with Foley’s order, even though they didn’t understand why all of a sudden they had to take the tent and burn barrel away — after city officials and the fire department had said it was OK for the group to have them.

They tried negotiating with Youngstown Police Capt. David McKnight, who’d arrived to ask the group what it intended to do.

“Does he want it all removed?” asked Richard Olivito, who is here from Steubenville supporting the movement. “Yes,” said McKnight.

“Tonight?” asked a woman. “Yes,” he answered.

They asked for 24 hours to determine what was needed to get permission for the tent. But after checking again with Foley, McKnight said the midnight deadline was final. The group can still picket.

“We can work without the tent,” acknowledged Jerred Bowser of the South Side. “But it would be nice to have... to get out of the rain and snow. We’re keeping it to store stuff,” he said.

After meeting, 12 people agreed to stay and protest the tent’s removal. They planned to sit in front of it at midnight with their hands behind their backs as a sign of respect for the police who would come to arrest them. Those police were the very people Occupy Youngstown had tried to help by pushing for defeat of Issue 2 in Tuesday’s election, they kept noting.

In hindsight, Mayor Charles Sammarone said, he shouldn’t have allowed the movement to set up chairs, tarps and a burn barrel after its Oct. 15 rally. The tent was set up Tuesday.

“It’s like when I was a school administrator, if you give a kid an inch, they’ll take a yard,” the mayor said

The group had a permit for only the Oct. 15 rally. The mayor said he waited to address the issue because group members said the protest would end on Election Day, and they were urging voters to reject state Issue 2, which called for restricting some public workers’ collective-bargaining rights. The issue was defeated.

Jessica Arnold and Jarrod Badgett, Occupy Youngstown members, said the group is protesting other issues such as the influence of Wall Street and bank reform.

“I have a lot of college debt and can’t find a job, that’s why I’m down here,” said Bowser. “That’s why a lot of us are down here.”


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1Whinersarewieners(14 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Leave them be. They are peacefully protesting and not in the way. A previous article said the tent and other items were blocking the sidewalk...that is not true - I walk past them every weekday and there is nothing in my way. If they need a permit for the tent and burn barrel then let them apply for and receive it.

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2cmcqueen71(1 comment)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Totally agree.I think it's exciting and unprecedented in my lifetime that there are middle and working class people waking up and willing to invest themselves in a cause.These people are peacefully protesting and dedicated.Why are the police even involved?

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3UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

We have a constitutional right to protest. Leave them be.

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4mcluvin(72 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I don't think that the City is kicking them out. I think that they just need to remove the tent and combutibles.

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5chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

After the Occupiers helped support the defeat of SB5, where are the police, fire, teachers unions and We are Ohio. The Occupiers got co-opted and used, and are now thrown out with the SB5 bathwater.

I remeber when there were strikes by real unions in the valley and the burning barrels lit up the area like blast furnances to keep the strikers warm. My how times have changed.

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6mcluvin(72 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The only reason that they were against issue 2 is so the YPD and YFD would leave them alone. Anyone can see that. Used? Please! Do you actually believe that the existence of a couple of hippies living in a tent on Federal Plaza helped defeat this issue statewide? Oh and Jared Bowser, I have a lot of college debt too. Guess what? I found a job to pay it off. It may not have been in what I went to school for but I did it. Hangin out on Federal Plaza is not helping you. You have to help yourself son. Hagan is parlaying this stand up for the little guy thing beyond SB5 to keep his name out there for reelection. This is insane. Get rid of the tents and burn barrels you can stay as long as you want. I think that it would mean a lot more if you suffered a little for your cause.

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7author50(1121 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Did Comrade Bob spend the night or go back to The Lemon Grove?

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8lee(544 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The cops droped you like a hot potato now that sb5 is gone. Did you learn anything?

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"However, by 12:20 a.m. no police had arrived, and the protesters were just milling around with some visitors who came to support them, including state Rep. Bob Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th."

Bob should have camped out with them in solidarity . . ..

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10pac1234(21 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Who cares. I dont really agree with the whole "occupy thing" but Youngstown to include the downtown area is a huge dump. Its not like they are causing the sidewalk and streets to look "trashy". Youngstown does that fine on its own.

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11lovethiscity(146 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

So pac1234...does pac stand for pathetic a**hole commenter? Just asking.

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12commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Lets see---If a person that wanted to open a hot dog stand in youngstown wasn't allowed with out a permit WHY would people be able to "camp" out without a permit --apply for a permit OR get out.
Hagan was probably coming from the Grove after "getting warmed up"

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13Attis(873 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

On Veterans Day, these American patriots should be honored instead of threatened with police action. Or did our vets serve to erect a police state instead of preserve freedom of peaceful assembly and speech? The mayor's action will determine which, and if it is the former, he's the one who should be evicted not these patriotic protesters.

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14pac1234(21 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

No not at all. Its not an acronym for anything. Youngstown is a giant blighted mess. Show me one nice area and I will change my mind. Again, its not like there is so much foot traffic from people coming to "destination youngstown" to spend an afternoon. Why would YPD waste their time to arrest people for civil disobedience-the jail cannot hold the criminals they do arrest.

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15MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

BOB has nothing better to do - the 49% poverty stat will go away just in time for the VALLY OF THE DOLTS to re-elect the pro-gobomint loafer.

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16pac1234(21 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I thought about it.... the Market St. corridor is warm and inviting, oh wait a minute-not really,( I would like to go into that comedy club in the uptown area though, it looks like they would get some national acts);South Avenue from Midltohian into the city-many fine restaurants and nightclubs-no, not really (and inherently dangerous); Mahoning Avenue from the west side is just plain dirty (quite surprised the "Peanut Man" survived this long).

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17m8ke_the_call(105 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

people in here are ridiculous. no one is asking them to leave, only that they obey city law and take down the tent and chairs (which they no longer have a permit for). they can stay as long as they want; its not like those hippies are even productive members of society.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah obama take away my college loans for the stupid liberal arts degree i got.

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18FifthAve(168 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Mayor,
The protestors are not children or teenagers. Your analogy is offensive; it diminishes the importance of this movement. In a city where the poverty rate is nearly 50%, you should be more sympathetic to their message.

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19Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@Attis -- Thanks for having a rational thought process.

@m8ke_the_call "no one is asking them to leave, ..." -- Yeah they are being asked to leave. By not being able to keep warm they are being asked to leave De facto . I watched the news last night the police chief hoped it would be over by now.

I think the new chief has done a decent job but I disagree on this one.

People have a freedom of speech until they are arrested .Freedom of speech trumps all other law because the U.S. Constitution is the highest law in the nation period. The country is on the verge of tipping towards Constitutional law or a police state.It would logically follow that any local ordinances that would be in violation of the Constitution is where criminal activity would be found.Pretty simple really.

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20Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

It would be like preventing firemen to have a fire truck but telling them they are allowed to put out fires.

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21MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@mcluvin- you are right- The person that has no job is not going to get one ploping it downtown- Now is the time to find work because after X-MAS the economy is going to crash big time and no one will be hiring.If I had such huge debts to pay back I would get going to find something.Gheesh!

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22taliwacker(54 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

arrest the lot of them.. they have no valid permits to still be there... there breaking the laws.. I bet if it was the Tea party protesting without a permit, they would have been arrested on Oct 16th. the Law is the Law, enforce it, or get rid of it..

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23Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Permit to exercise a Constitutional right ? You have got to be kidding me.

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24Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Read post 19 slowly the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land there is no higher law. Where were some folks during U.S. History?

Also the Tea Party is not at odds with Occupy folks they are after some of the same things.The divide and conquer game is as old as the hills.

Marg - -The folks are down there precisely because of the economic conditions in this country . Are you a fan of free trade and banker bailouts? Gheesh! If things were peaches and cream they wouldn't be protesting.Maybe you can help find the 50 percent in the valley who are in poverty jobs with a livable wage since your so caring and jobs are so plentiful.

GE just took more jobs over seas.Obama signed more free trade agreements with other nations south of the border. Maybe Utica shale will be the savoir ?

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25Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Maybe they can be a postal worker , steel worker - - -oops. Oh the casino ! The race track , brewery ...hmmm.Walmart?Well they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they can afford boots because there will be drives to shovel -if it snows. If that fails they can always get a job at GM because it is easy to get in there.That is it they are without excuse.

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26borylie(790 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Does this now mean that the homeless can pitch tents and start fires? They can surely come up with a theme and be given handouts and sound bites from the likes of Hagan and other users. This could be a permanent situation.

Thinking back on the Tea Party days,many of those in support of the Occupiers didn't have any compassion or sympathy for their message and their right to assemble. Hypocrites.

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27Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I forgot when or if the lakes freeze over sufficiently there will be ice fishing opportunities but buy your licenses now.

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28Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Thinking back on the Tea Party days,many of those in support of the Occupiers didn't have any compassion or sympathy for their message and their right to assemble. Hypocrites. -- Wrong the tea party was co opted by the money interests . Soros is trying the same thing with the occupy folks you couldn't be more misinformed.

The tea party if you remember correctly was about opposing illegal immigration and enforcing Constitutional law.This before familiar puppets were urged to change its course.

The two party system is really one and the same where the rubber meets the road at the top levels.The rest is a dog and pony show for the unsophisticated.

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29Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Does this now mean that the homeless can pitch tents and start fires? -- -If they are exercising their freedom of speech and there freedom of assembly and they are peaceable then you better believe it!!!! Being poor and homeless doesn't mean you loose your God given rights as an American.What in the hxxx is going on with people's thinking in this country it is sounding a lot like red Russia under Stalin.

They can surely come up with a theme and be given handouts and sound bites from the likes of Hagan and other users. This could be a permanent situation.

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30Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"They can surely come up with a theme and be given handouts and sound bites from the likes of Hagan and other users. This could be a permanent situation." - -Hagan didn't start this.

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31DwightK(1251 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

You know how many union picket lines I've seen with burn barrels and chairs? Come on, Mayor Sammarone, let them keep warm and sit down. They aren't hurting anyone.

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32AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Boggles the mind why they wish to occupy a city which becomes increasingly unoccupied each passing week.

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33walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Bigben
Everyone screams about their rights but they forget about the other side of the equation; their responsibilities. We are a nation founded on the rule of law and it is expected that all people will obey the laws. If you do not, we have the authority under the law to enforce lawful activity. Nobody is forcing these individuals to not speak; they are forcing them to follow certain laws that the citizens of this community deem necessary and proper to maintain order. Your right to throw a punch at me stops at the tip of my nose. If the law says that they need to obtain a permit to peaceably assemble on public square, follow the law. Or, do we permit these people to merely have a parade up any street they want and obstruct traffic. What about my right to use the public highways unfettered that I pay gas taxes to build and granted a license to operate a vehicle on? Or, can I just mow down these protesters at any speed when they are parading in front of my car?

"This is not 'nam, smokey. There are rules!"

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34Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Walter if you don't have the most basic and fundamental of laws then you have what the founders fled from tyranny.The rule of law too must be aligned with and not be in conflict with the Constitution.

Again any law that runs counter to the Constitution is in error.I can't believe some people have a hard time with this it is central to the foundation upon which this nation rests.Anyone who has taken Constitutional law knows this.

To my knowledge if you deny these folks the ability to warm themselves then you De facto rob them of their Constitutional rights. It is just that plain . To my knowledge these folks have done nothing wrong.

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35Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

" - -- When it all started in New York at the Stock market exchange,. they were told by everyone to TAKE IT TO THE CAPITOL BLDG. " -- The protesters are there because they know that is where the decisions are made not at the capital building.

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36Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"I agree with the right to be there but to play Squatter's rights is illegal, UNLESS there is PERMISSION given by the owner to stay." -- Wrong.There is a difference between private and public property.

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37Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"Occupy Youngstown has NOTHING to do with these guys being Veterans."

- -Again you couldn't be more wrong.Obviously you aren't aware of our veteran's plight of obtaining medical treatment and that 1 in 5 can't find work.I won't say what I am thinking right now because it wouldn't be polite.

They were used by the wealthy corporations via our government to supposedly spread democracy that we don't even have here and then treated like crap when they came home.18 veterans kill themselves daily but don't let that upset your wagon.

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38Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"The Occupiers "Have their Rights" like in:DC where a mother used her kids, to help block doors and then said the police "Put her kids in harms way" OR in SanFran they were using restrooms as washrooms,and taking "Sponge Baths" in "Toilets" OR in Oakland where a man was shot and killed over a "Bag Of Weed" OR Vermont where a 35year old man was shot OR how a VERY BAD MAYOR of Portland delivered a bill for $1546.52 to "Occupiers" for police cars damaged by them, but as BigBen says "They have their rights"." - -

- - - -I am assuming that if there was wrong doing it was dealt with . However should we deny people their God given rights in Youngstown because someone got shot over a bag of weed somewhere else? People are stabbed with knives all the time should we outlaw them.There was an accident on the turnpike this morning and someone died should we out law cars or turnpikes? A kid shot another kid with a slingshot perhaps they should be banned.Women were fenced in and maced in New York some would say they were doing nothing wrong - -should we out law police and mace?

BigBen says "They have their rights". - -No I am saying that the LAW the supreme law of the land that was crafted carefully by intelligent men says the peaceful protesters have rights.Tell a veteran that had lost his friends in battle that we don't have these rights.

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39walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Bigben,

It may be trite but it is true. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Rights have responsibilities. You may not like a law that prohibits open burning or public urination but the laws, passed by democratically elected representatives of the people in our republic, can say otherwise. We are a society that has rules and regulations. I'm very sorry that you don't have the intelligence to understand this. Here's a better question. Ask a veteran if they took a vote in the platoon to see if they wanted to follow the sergeants order to charge up a hill.

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40borylie(790 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Bigben,
You called me misinformed and somehow think your"sophistcated".
You said the Tea Party was co opted by money interests. So Bigben,does this mean they lose their right to free speech?
You said that the Tea Party was about opposing illegal immigration and enforcing constitutional law. Huh? T=Taxed E=Enough A=Already. It was about are tax dollars being wasted.
Why Bigben,you genius,should the rights of anyone stop at being just at the square? Why not in front of a firestation door? What,that's a safety issue? So what? You going to now start making laws again?
Obviously you enjoy reading your nonsense. It's your right.

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41fd6636(255 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

IT IS YOUR RIGHT AS AMERICANS TO PROTEST AGAINST THE MACHINE WE CALL CORPORATIONS, AND WALL ST!!! PD has a job to do, but don't want to!
Hold your ground out there! The only was to get the message out to the "machines" is to protest!! God bless you out there downtown! You have the balls to stand up to them, I told you so on election night! Thank-you! 6636

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42whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

And when the night is cloudy,

There is still a light on me.

Shine until tommorow.

Let it be.

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43howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

I guess the right wing crazies that post on the Vindy will never come out from behind their computer screens long enough to come down and talk with us, you will find that we have plenty of Libertarians and Constitutionalists here in Occupy Youngstown. My point is this is Youngstown, not Portland, or Oakland, or NYC stop using them as ammunition and actually talk with us about what we are doing here. You may find (though you may not like it) that we have more in common than you think.

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44fd6636(255 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

After I posted on this subject, I drove down to the occupy site. I wanted to donate some money for dinner for the troops, or what ever, and they were gone!!! so sad. I only saw two gentleman holding signs that stated that Dan Rivers was not for the working man! Got that right. Hey occupy: Maybe your right. Some have already forgotten, but not I. I want to thank you guys who "occupied" from the bottom of my heart!!! From Issue 2, to our rights as middle americans being trounced on, you guys showed up! I was one of a few who personally thanked you guys on election night! It was the right thing to do. For what its worth, AMERICA LIVES because of people like yourselves!!! God bless you!!! fd6636

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45howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The Occupation continues regardless of how many or how few are present at any one moment in time. In order to prevent its confiscation we had to temporarily relocate our donation jar and food stations. Thank you for your support fd6636 it is appreciated, you are welcome to come by at any time of the day or night.

Just a reminder one of the primary freedoms we are fighting for is this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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46CantStandYa(121 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

You want to be a protester but you can't take a little cold rain and snow?

#OccupyWeakness

SPOILED LAZY TRASH.

Its easy to get a bunch of thursday night drunkards from the local bars to come out and support you when you have a midnight deadline....That's why the cops waited until there were only four of you at 7AM to break up your little party. IDIOTS. GO HOME AND FIND A WAY TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

If you can't find a job to pay off your student loans it is because you arent willing to work somewhere outside your field of study to earn money. There are a million retail jobs for the taking right now...its christmas...wait tables....do something instead of whining that mommy and daddy wont pay your student loans for you. THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED THE REAL WORLD. You do anything you can to survive and make a living. You lazy fools are too uppity to shovel s*%t, that's on you.....The only way you change the big picture it is by becoming a player in the big game. That is not accomplished by sitting on a corner in YOUNGSTOWN FREAKING OHIO with a makeshift tent and a clever sign.

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47Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@borylie - You said the "Tea Party was co opted by money interests. So Bigben,does this mean they lose their right to free speech?" - - -Absolutely not. I believe there is still a good core in the tea party and even if there wasn't the moneyed interests have the same rights to the Constitution.

"You said that the Tea Party was about opposing illegal immigration and enforcing constitutional law. Huh? T=Taxed E=Enough A=Already. It was about are tax dollars being wasted." - - -The minute men from Arizona started enforcing laws regarding illegal immigration-laws that the Federal Government failed to enforce.- -- -I agree with this.This is what in my opinion put the tea party on the map.I don't have anything against the tea party in fact I had uncles and aunts involved with it . I wasn't aware that it was a Republican only party.I know of Dems , Libertarians and Constitutional folks have affiliated with it as well. When puppets from the major parties try and steer the movement towards division -that is the problem.It then becomes more of a self serving movement for them and focuses less on its core principals.

So I see more similarities between the real tea party and the real occupy movements.

"Why Bigben,you genius,should the rights of anyone stop at being just at the square? Why not in front of a firestation door? What,that's a safety issue? So what? You going to now start making laws again?" - - -- - - "We hold these truths to be self evident" - - Maybe the founders got it all wrong?Your right we should throw out the Constitution and live under tyranny because some protesters may not be smart enough to not protest in front of a fire station door or as someone else said in the middle of a busy street. Brilliant truly brilliant.

"Obviously you enjoy reading your nonsense. It's your right." - -- Discussing Constitutional rights to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech maybe nonsense to you but not to me.So again if the people can't keep warm when it is freezing how can they implement their Constitutional rights?Also I don't think they will be in front of any fire stations so there is no need to worry unless you wish to invent some other fictitious scenario.I know maybe Santa Clause wants to park his sleigh there.

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48Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

CantStandYa - -There is always at least one.

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49borylie(790 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Howard,
In the past you've railed against the republicans and the Tea Party movement.
You complained about the 527's airing 46,947 campaign ads against the democrat canidates. Yet no mention from you about the 3 to 1 monies just spent by the unions to repeal SB5.
Another quote of yours: "I wish we could shelve John Boehner,the Tea Party and the republican party".
And you want us right wing crazies to stop and talk to you,so you can what,spew your one-sided views?
Tolerance of other peoples views isn't one of your strong points,is it?
I may be a right wing crazy,but your just plain ol crazy,and a hypocrite.

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50Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

CantStandYa -- -Maybe you'll be happy when the whole country is shoveling sxxx. Maybe some folks were to lazy to go to college and put the money and effort and time sacrificed to make something of themselves.

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51CantStandYa(121 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"Maybe some folks were to lazy to go to college and put the money and effort and time sacrificed to make something of themselves."

I know plenty of folks in the valley with no college degree who work hard and it pays off for them every day.- Excuses Excuses.

OccupyYoungstown is a punchline.

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52CantStandYa(121 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

and by the way, I have alot more respect for someone who shovels s*%t than I do for half of the folks interviewed who complain about taking a loan to go to school for a career that doesnt exist....

"the world needs ditch diggers too"-Judge Smails aka Ted Knight- caddyshack

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53Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"I know plenty of folks in the valley with no college degree who work hard and it pays off for them every day".- Excuses Excuses.- -- - There are plenty with with education that work hard each day as well.No excuses. You may not understand what is going on in the country today with the millions of jobs lost but that is OK.Not all who have lost jobs are college people because they tend to find work more readily then the less educated if we can believe the news sources.

The point is free trade has screwed and is screwing lots of hard working Americans and it doesn't sit well with a lot of Americans.

I don't know of anyone who would say the economy is doing well or that jobs are plentiful.

There are only so many ditches that need to be dug. Another problem is that ditch digging often does not pay enough to make a decent living .I know because I dug ditches and worked construction at one time and that was after I had obtained a Maters degree by the way back in the 1990s.A single person may get by but it is tough to raise a family on that.

Many young folks do not and they have a right to be pissed about it.If you took out loans and sacrificed and worked hard while going to school and then realized what these elite folks are doing to the country and the pie isn't there for you you might be upset too. In fact although you may indeed take a job you didn't go to school for it doesn't take the sting away and the costs of those loans. When a person can understand what is means to walk in someone else 's shoes they can be more understanding.

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54Woody(451 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Here is a rich Democrat:

This has to be one of the biggest slaps to OWS:
www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jay-z-...

I support you, but I won't support you. OWS just got PUNKED!!!

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55Woody(451 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

$22 bucks for the shirt, and made in Mexico. Looks like one DUMocrat loves NAFTA.

www.rocawear.com/product/0/RW-R0011T7...

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56Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

AND THEY ARE SQUATTING ON PROPERTY OWNED BY THE BANKS!! Did they give them permission to park their teepee there?? Do they have a written agreement with the property owners?

- -Did the banks get permission from the American people to create the Federal Reserve , undermine the constitution because it states Congress "coins the money"? The banks create money out of nothing and charge us interest where I come from that is counter fitting.That is right it isn't public because it isn't a part of the government so why in the hxxx are they dictating financial policy to this country?Why was the Congress put under martial law in the fall of 2008 and told to sign the bailouts without reading them?

" I BELIEVE IN TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for my debts." - - Good me too that is why I don't have many.I worked hard and made something of myself .Unless you do better at 9 per hour with 14 kids and 34 grand in the hole unless you do better you'll never get out of debt.
Good luck maybe the Federal Reserve will give you a job .

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57commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Bigben must like to hear (read) himself!!

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58Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"And like i said before, Occupy Youngstown is B.S. and has nothing to do with today being Veteran's Day. I do salute our troops and God bless them." -- -You must have missed the article today which states 1 in 5 vets can't find jobs. Maybe they are too lazy ?How many burger flippers and ditch diggers are needed.Is it possible that you could wrap your mind around the fact that there are many more Americans seeking work then jobs to be filled - -not even in the ball park. It was on t v yesterday CNN I believe which stated 18 veterans per day commit suicide. Ignore it if you like but there it is.Maybe the job creators that create jobs in China and pay no taxes will help out?

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59Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

" Bigben must like to hear (read) himself!!" - - -Your contribution is astonishing .

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60theoldwrench(240 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@neverwins you put yourself in debt to be a security guard not a good return of investment Winner did you take the standerd deduction on your taxesfor your 14 kids if you did not you have my respect.if you did you are using intitlments like everyone you are are against

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61Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"It may be trite but it is true. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Rights have responsibilities. You may not like a law that prohibits open burning or public urination but the laws, passed by democratically elected representatives of the people in our republic, can say otherwise. We are a society that has rules and regulations. I'm very sorry that you don't have the intelligence to understand this. Here's a better question. Ask a veteran if they took a vote in the platoon to see if they wanted to follow the sergeants order to charge up a hill." -- - -A person under military orders is not a civilian so you are comparing apples and oranges unless you think we should be living in a militaristic state.

Walter your babbling off topic and character assassination is what some folks like yourself do when they have been so obviously bested .You maybe in the Santa may wish to use the area the protesters are using crowd which is your choice. However, not allowing these folks to use burn barrels to warm themselves in order to peacefully protest is absurd and an obvious attempt to get them out of said area as the weather is now getting colder . If you wish to ignore this apparent fact -no problem.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. - -Yelling fire is not freedom of speech neither is hate speech.

As far as democratically enacted laws- - -laws must pass Constitutional tests or they are not law at all, Because as I have said and maybe it will sink in there is no higher law in this country none higher than the Constitution.Even the rule of law which is determined by Justices must satisfy the Constitution.I am sorry if the Bill of Rights offends you and that you think the barrels that keep folks warm enough to exercise their freedoms need removing.

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62Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Walter - - -- - The above is for you.

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63Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Walter I believe having a fire with in the city is actually legal during certain times.If this is true to remove the barrels is all the more petty.

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64Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

rudy56 - - -"you talk about "Job Creators" how about "Job Destroyers" like Obama." - -Your preaching to the choir.As far as I'm concerned I don't see much differences in these sell outs at the top levels of government with a few exceptions.

The money -special interest flows in a we get screwed. Try finding something made in this country . It can be done but it is getting more difficult each day.It ought to piss off a red blooded American.This country wasn't perfect but it was a lot better than it is now.

The green movement was co opted years ago .Just look at who sits at the top of the World Wild life , Nature Conservancy and go right down the line.They are the globalists.Don't take my word for it look into it.

The environmental movement was well meaning when things started out.They were about planting trees ect Look at what they are into now -might be surprised.

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65Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Jim Crow is an example of an unjust laws that were unconstitutional, local and state laws preventing blacks from voting were unconstitutional. Because you have an ordinance or law does not mean it is just .Our system has worked this way for a long time.people of color sitting on the back of buses were local ordinances ect.

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66mcluvin(72 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The bottom line is this. Yes they have the right to protest. However, they must do so within the confines of the law. For example is there anyone here that disagrees that if they decided to protest completely naked that they would be breaking the law? How about while drinking alchohol openly? How about erecting a tent and having open fires within the public right of way? Yes all are a violation of the law. Sorry. Keep up the protests, I salute you.

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67Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

'For example is there anyone here that disagrees that if they decided to protest completely naked that they would be breaking the law? How about while drinking alchohol openly?" - -More silliness.

Anyone that would want these folks to freeze or be frozen out is just plain being low down.The founders must be turning in their graves.

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68Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

OWS = parasites.

Parasites?! What?!

Yup, see the definition below:

par·a·site (pr-st)
n.
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2.
a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.

Yes, but Nonsocialist, these are unlucky victims just looking to be heard!!

http://www.aim.org/video/occupy-dc-vs...

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/201...

OK, so they don't want jobs, or to contribute to society, or follow the law, or bathe, and so what if they're anti-Semitic and preach hatred of Jews, and are endorsed by the KKK and David Duke, and they want stuff given to them but don't want to give their stuff to the homeless...they...they....uh...they have a right to protest the greedy Wall Street fat cats!! Yeah!!

Two questions:
1) Who created the sub-prime loans, the US government or Wall Street? (Hint...it's not Wall Street).
2) Who bailed out AIG, Citibank, Bank of America, etc...the US government or Wall Street? (Hint...the US government).

If this was truly about greed and unfairness, why would they not be protesting in front of the US Capitol or the White House? Because it is not about greed (except for their own). It is about wanting other people's stuff, as noted in their "demands":

"Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment."

"Free college education."

"Universal Single Payer Health care."

Which brings us full circle. OWS = Parasites.

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69BrandonSmith(7 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Let's clear a few things up here, shall we?

First of all, we applied for the permits many of you have been harping about, but we were denied. We even purchased a months worth of liability insurance (and planned on renewing it monthly)...still denied.

Second, we were given the go ahead by certain city officials, including the police, to erect that tent no more than two days before our interim mayor ordered our site broken down. For those of you who say "toughen up", we did. We didn't have a source of heat initially, and only had that tent for two days, but we were still out there, just like we will continue to be.

Third, no deadline was EVER set. We stated to the media and to the public that we planned to occupy indefinitely, but that our MINIMUM goal was election day. You know how I know this? I'm one the media representatives for the group, it was me who spoke those words. And you can find the multitude of interviews myself and others have done online that state that, especially the videos. If Mayor Sammerone misunderstood that is his fault. It was stated very plainly in every interview, press conference, and press release.

Fourth, we are on public property. Not the property of the banks. Meaning the sidewalks that we are occupying - without blocking once, as there is more than 12 foot clearance- are owned by the taxpayers of this city and are there for use by anyone.

Fifth, we are not a bunch of college kids and recent grads out there whining about free hand outs. Recent grads like myself are actually in the minority in our group, admittedly unlike many other occupations. Almost every single person in our group is gainfully employed. And the handful that aren't are out looking. Two of those just started new jobs this week. One, a close friend of mine who has two bachelors, is waiting tables, and was so happy when he got the news I thought he was going to weep. He used to be employed installing heating and cooling systems, but got laid off. I worked hanging sheet rock and painting for a contracting firm to help pay my way through college. I've found no job in my field, and couldn't get rehired with the contractors I was working for as they had to downsize their workforce, and I was low man on the totem pole. I've since taken a minimum wage retail job to make ends meet. I'm just thankful I could find that after three months of hunting. I have 40k in college debt and make minimum wage, but I refused my deferment because I think it's irresponsible to continue to do so, and with the uncertain times we live in I want to take the opportunity to pay some of it down while I can. How's that for financial responsibility folks. Not bad for a "dirty leftist hippy" is it? Don't talk to me about ditch digging to survive. I've worked manual labor off and on since I was fifteen, and I'll continue to do so if that's what is required for me to survive.

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70BrandonSmith(7 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The fact of the matter is, we're not out there looking for entitlements. Although I will say that as a man who takes the Sermon on the Mount seriously, I have no problem with "the welfare state" as I believe it's my responsibility to care for my fellow man. Even if it is "all their own fault", which it very very rarely is. We're out there asking for two things responsibility and transparency both economically and politically. That's what it comes down to.

Why was our tax money used to bail out these banks and corporations when they had the capital to buy competition and give their executives exorbitant bonuses and pensions? Why were these men not forced to invest their extremely large personal fortunes into the business they own when they are failing like the rest of us of expected to? Why is there no tax on stock trades, when a piece of a company is a trade-able commodity just like the groceries you purchase? Why do men like Warren Buffett pay a smaller tax percentage than their own secretaries? Why do companies like GE and Microsoft pay only 3 percent of their taxes when the corporate rate here in the US is 35 percent? Why do we allow these loopholes to exist legally? Why are we letting these banks dump their derivative bets on to the Federal Reserve so that the losses become socialized but the gains remain privatized? These are the issues we're out there discussing.

And we're not just out there pi**ing and moaning either. We're trying to do something about it. Another member and I are seeking legal counsel to start drafting up ballot initiatives to address some of these problems. Some other members are trying to form a labor Co-op along the lines of Labor Ready that won't take the same ridiculous percentages, thereby returning the profit to the worker who's doing the job. Both of these ideas came around because people of like mind met at the site and are moving horizontally to the group to form their own organizations to DO SOMETHING about the problems we face. Not to mention the fact that we've been feeding and warming a fair share of our local homeless down at the site. What have you been doing about the poverty problem in Youngstown?

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71BrandonSmith(7 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The fact of the matter is that the city is trying to freeze us out, and using pretty shaky reasons to do so. Burn barrel ordinances? Strikes, including The Vindicator's, had multiple burn barrels for sometimes months at a time. Even though we have never blocked the sidewalk, the scaffolding on the PNC building sure did...for three years. Part of that time without permits when pieces of the building fell to the sidewalk. Where were the ordinance enforcers then? Propane heat sources are used by every street vendor that's allowed in the square to cook. And, we removed ours when asked, which by the way was one of only two times any authorities expressed that we were violating any ordinances, the other being when we were delivered the letter saying to tear down by midnight. Why are other organizations allowed canopies when we are not? And again, I will remind you we purchased the necessary insurance and applied for the same permits they received to have them. This seems like some pretty selective enforcement to me. What happened to equality of law? If the city is cracking down on ordinances city wide (the reason the mayor gave us) why were we targeted first? Why weren't the longest standing infractions targeted first? Especially those that pose safety issues? These are the questions we have for Mr. Sammerone and other figures of local authority, and we plan on getting answers. Until then we'll continue as we have. Peaceably. Welcoming all ages and walks of life.

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72Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

-Two people have died this week at parasite/OWS encampments. There has been violence, drug distribution and use, spread of disease, littering, gang rapes, vandalism, blocked bridges and an enormous diversion of public funds. OWS has cost NYC >$3.4M. Occupy Oakland has cost CA taxpayers >$2M. Mayor Sammarone is correct to place limits, reasonable ones, on the Youngstown parasites(OWS) for the good of all involved.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=32348

-Warren Buffet was deceivingly referring to the capital gains rate. His secretary would pay the same rate in cap gains as he. It's a dishonest and ridiculous argument aimed at the ill informed.

-You have "no problem with the welfare state." Maybe you don't realize, but welfare has been proven to increase crime and increase out-of-wedlock births. These statistics come from the Maryland NAACP. Maybe it's not self-evident to you, but self-reliance is better than dependence on a large corporation known as the US government. BTW, you don't need the government to care for your fellow man. In fact, they're a hindrance.

-If you don't like tax loopholes, why don't you direct your ire towards the creators of the tax code policy? Do you think GE, or any corporation, is voluntarily going to pay more in taxes than is required? Are you paying more taxes voluntarily?

-Why do you not mention the corrupt special interest bailouts to the multiple green energy failures such as Solyndra? These are "fat cats" that received >$535M in Federal loans that are thinly veiled political paybacks.

-Corporations make car seats for babies, grow and transport food, build homes, and yes make a profit...Thank God! We need them to succeed for us to succeed. If I am going to feed my family, I need a lot of corporations to make a profit.

-I worked as an overnight janitor for years to get myself through school. No one owes you anything. Work hard, be wise, and you'll get there. You don't have to vilify anyone or defy Youngstown's finest. You want to be politically active, than great. You want to utilize your First Amendment rights, also great. But public opinion is going to continue to sour on your movement with these fringe tactics. You are losing the public's hearts and minds.

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wc67...

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73Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Two questions:
1) Who created the sub-prime loans, the US government or Wall Street? (Hint...it's not Wall Street). - - -Bull Crap . The head of the New York Federal Reserve bank during the Bush administration was instrumental in deregulating the loans. The Congress listens and gets its orders from the Federal Reserve an independent for profit bank.
2) Who bailed out AIG, Citibank, Bank of America, etc...the US government or Wall Street? (Hint...the US government).- - -Again Ben B told the US Government it was necessary and the puppets followed orders .Nice try.

"-If you don't like tax loopholes, why don't you direct your ire towards the creators of the tax code policy? Do you think GE, or any corporation, is voluntarily going to pay more in taxes than is required? Are you paying more taxes voluntarily?" - -- Are you serious? Do you think these multi national corporations should pay nothing in taxes compared to what the average citizen pays and you want to call protesters who are shedding light on these issues parasites? Get lost with your phony crap.

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74Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Update: now 3 deaths associated with the parasites/OWS.

Fannie Mae was created by an act of Congress during the Great Depression and is a GSE (government-sponsored enterprise). Franklin Raines, later to be appointed by Clinton, advocated in the 1990s for the subprime loans. In short, the subprime loans began with Fannie Mae and could not have existed without Fannie Mae. Fannie Mae could not exist without the Federal government.

Similarly, the "Fed" was created by and receives it's authority from the US government. The President appoints the Board of Governors. The Fed's profits are funneled into the US Treasury.

To claim that the Federal government was not involved in TARP is delusional.

Again, if you don't like the tax code, than take it up with who makes the tax code. Seems pretty obvious right? The fact that the parasites/OWS
refuse to protest in front of Congress or the White House and limit their ire toward private corporations tells me that they want hand-outs from the government that are taken from these corporations or the "1%." Many "demands" and signs directly state that.

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75Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Can you connect the dots ?

Read the core of the United States Constitution and see that Congress shall coin the money PERIOD .

"Similarly, the "Fed" was created by and receives it's authority from the US government. The President appoints the Board of Governors. The Fed's profits are funneled into the US Treasury." - -Naive?

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AZ)

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

"Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." -- Congressional Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." -- President Woodrow Wilson

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

This contrived "emergency" by the money vultures and the political manipulations of FDR, et. al. since then has created innumerous abuses, usurpations, and abridgments of Constitutionally delegated Powers and Authority as clearly stated in Senate Report 93-549 (1973):

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [-1822 years now in 111] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

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76Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Thats all I have on the matter.Not my words . Good day.

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77webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Occupy Youngstown occupiers, You are not alone:.

Occupy Honolulu: Hawaiian Musician Makana Performs Protest Song to World Leaders at APEC Summit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq3BY...

*Also, occupiers, for help exercising your 1st Amendment rights ... to protect yourself against, unconstitutional arrest, contact the National Lawyers Guild: http://www.nlg.org

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78skittles(7 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

When we let our anger and frustration direct our thoughts, nothing is accomplished. Name calling and blaming are not productive either. We are all part of the problem and we need to all be part of the solution. Think about it, we are fighting with the same people who we are trying to help. Just a little quote:
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.YOU CANNOT HELP PEOPLE PERMANENTLY BY DOING FOR THEM, WHAT THEY COULD AND SHOULD DO FOR THEMSELVES." --Abraham Lincoln

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79webad(156 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The Freedom of Assembly Clause is the part of the First Amendment that reads like this:

"Congress shall make no law... abridging...the right of the people peaceably to assemble..."

This clause is also sometimes referred to as the Freedom of Association Clause. This clause protects the right to assemble in peace to all Americans.

Before you criticize Occupiers of Youngstown, remember this:

We are ALL occupying the indigenous lands of North America taken by force from the American Indian.

To not embrace that fact is to be hypocritical in your criticisms of Occupy Wall Street supporters in Youngstown, Ohio's encampment..

Brave Youngstown occupiers,
For help exercising your Constitutionally guaranteed 1st Amendment rights ... protecting yourselves against unconstitutional arrest by police, contact the National Lawyers Guild:

http://www.nlg.org

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nation...

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt

You are NOT alone.

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80Lesthanzero(35 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

The Occupiers have a right to protest, speak, camp out, whatever, on public property. So does everyone else, and the Occupiers are now depriving them of THEIR rights. That's what permits are for, people. We have free speech, but to accommodate everybody it must be regulated.

What? Your $100,000 college degree didn't include that knowledge?

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81Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"Well just turn the fire hydrants n hose them and the trash off." - - -Isn't that what happened to poor civil rights marchers down south during the 1960s. Just shameful.

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82HonestAbe(270 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@Skittles, "Just a little quote:"??? Do your homework. That paste of yours is a quotation from William John Henry Boetcker in 1916 and not A. Lincoln. You are in similar company, even Ronald Reagan mis-attributed these words to Lincoln in a1992 speech.

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83Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"different story than 60's" - - -It is still just as wrong now as it was then to use fire hoses on the peaceful protesters.

I think your comment was in poor taste. Have a nice day.

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84slappysmith(55 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

dont pay attention to bigben, he's a tin foil hat under the impression that ron paul is going to save the world and hasnt figured out paul is really just his masters smoke screen for stealing democratic votes to empower his true master the GOP

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85Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

"dont pay attention to bigben, he's a tin foil hat under the impression that ron paul is going to save the world and hasnt figured out paul is really just his masters smoke screen for stealing democratic votes to empower his true master the GOP" - -

Sounds like you where the tin foil hat.LOL.

- -I think your silliness is well reflected in your name.I never said Ron Paul would win. I don't think he will win.I like that he is opposed to the Federal Reserve and that he had the bxxx to take on and defeat Ben B in front of Congress.I can't say that about any of the other candidates.

You never bothered to ask my opinion but your awfully good at assuming.I don't believe in the right -left paradigm . For example Obama was opposed to Free Trade when he campaigned and he has signed free trade agreements.Bush has signed free trade agreements as well. Bush and company were so concerned about the war on terror yet never dealt with the border neither has Obama.If these observations are incorrect then by all means do tell.Both presidents and both parties have passed banker bailout legislation.Sorry if it blows your mind but there it is.

The only one that can save the world is Jesus Christ.That you can put me down for with my blessing.

Have a great day.

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86Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Oh and Slaphappysmith I forgot sometimes a student needs another look at the material so I'll be patient. Reread all the evidence I provided you in post # 84 but especially this one, here it is pay special attention to this one :

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975 - -See the source? I can't make it any clearer.Now either you understand or choose to be ignorant.

Have a nice day.

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87unhappyvoter1(87 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO SELF DESTRUCT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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88commercial(1 comment)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

Life is about choices. The last sentence in that column the guy said he had school loans to pay and had no job. Did somebody draft him into school and force him to borrow? He could have gone in the military and earned an education. They just think we owe them every thing. WRONG!!!!
Mike in Chicago.

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89Bigben(1996 comments)posted 2 years, 9 months ago

@ Mike from Chicago read the whole article and the posts.

"Jessica Arnold and Jarrod Badgett, Occupy Youngstown members, said the group is protesting other issues such as the influence of Wall Street and bank reform. '

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