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Mahoning Valley helps deep-six Issue 2



Published: Wed, November 9, 2011 @ 12:01 a.m.

SEE ALSO: GOP woke sleeping giant

By David Skolnick

skolnick@vindy.com

While state Issue 2 was soundly defeated statewide, the losses in Democratic-dominated Mahoning and Trumbull counties were greater.

The issue was a referendum on Senate Bill 5, a state law passed earlier this year to restrict some collective-bargaining rights from public workers.

With 96.4 percent of the statewide vote reporting, 61.3 percent of voters rejected Issue 2.

But in Mahoning County, 71.8 percent of voters rejected Issue 2, and 71.5 percent of voters voted against it in Trumbull County.

In Columbiana County, 60.6 percent of voters rejected Issue 2.

“This is probably the most historic win in Ohio political history,” said state Rep. Robert F. Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th, an Issue 2 opponent. “The state Legislature voted one way and the people voted the other. A clear and concise message was sent to the governor and his minions. He was wrong, they were wrong and hopefully they’ll change their ways.”

Mahoning County Republican Party Chairman Mark Munroe called the anti-Issue 2 effort “probably one of the most dishonest campaigns I’ve seen. They were successful, but over time, the Legislature is going to come back, piece by piece, and approve much of what is in the bill. About 80 percent to 90 percent of what’s in Issue 2 will be passed by some time late next year. In the end, most of these reforms will pass.”

Two vocal Issue 2 opponents — T.J. Assion, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 141, which represents Mahoning County sheriff’s deputies, and Christopher Weaver, vice president and legislative director for International Association of Firefighters Local 312, which represents Youngstown firefighters — said the bill was an overreach by Gov. John Kasich.

“The results say the majority of the public in Ohio hasn’t forgotten who built this country, this state and this community and that’s the middle class,” Assion said. “We’re willing to do whatever is necessary to help this state. But [Kasich] wanted to stuff it down our throats.

“But I do want to thank the governor because he has brought us so close together — the middle class and unions.”

Assion and Weaver said Kasich should have sat down with union leaders to discuss ways to save money.

Even with Issue 2 rejected, Assion and Weaver said they would support two of its key provisions: a requirement that all public employees contribute 10 percent of the cost of their pensions and 15 percent of their health-insurance premium costs. The two and their fellow union members already contribute 10 percent toward pensions and 10 percent toward their premiums.

“They could have done the 10 percent and the 15 percent from the start and we wouldn’t have had this at all,” Assion said.

The results, Weaver said, “sends a clear and strong message to the governor and the Legislature that you don’t hurt the middle class of Ohio.”

Mahoning County Democratic Party Chairman David Betras said the results were “more than just a routing. It’s clear the values of John Kasich and the [Youngstown/Warren Regional] Chamber hold are not the values of the people of this community.”

While Issue 2 failed, Issue 3, a constitutional amendment to block federal health-care mandates from taking effect in Ohio, passed statewide. With 96.4 percent of the vote counted in Ohio, 65.6 percent of those casting ballots approved the amendment.

In Mahoning County, it received 56.7 percent approval; in Trumbull, 59.4 percent of voters approved it, and 65.9 percent of Columbiana County voters supported it.


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1UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 3 years ago

Let the public union employee layoffs begin!!!

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2honestman(33 comments)posted 3 years ago

unionfornever your a toad, there are no layoffs planned in y-town, you still cant give up the rhetoric, but do us all a favor, dont ever call a cop, or a fireman and homeschool your kids, that way you wont be a hypocrite to your ideals

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3DwightK(1292 comments)posted 3 years ago

That Mark Munroe guy sounds a little bitter about issue 2. Maybe 2010 wasn't the conservative revolution he thought it was.

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4author50(1121 comments)posted 3 years ago

Irony - democrats celebrating at a trendy wine bar in downtown with all the bell and whistles while the republicans had pot luck at their drab HQ in Boardman.

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5taxme(345 comments)posted 3 years ago

The people have spoken. The republicans want to take people's rights away but not this time.
Let's finally get to the real problem. Health care. I do believe public employees should pay a little more but to bring down the cost of health care doctors have to make a less. To do this they need more competition. The great AMA has intentionally restricted the amount of medical schools intentionally reduce competition to ensure there over inflated incomes, the result is sky high medical cost. I won't get into medical insurance fraud which my guess is everyone of them do it no matter how small. Let's start putting the blame where it belongs. DOCTORS CAUSE INFLATED HEALTH CARE COST AND WE PAY FOR IT!

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6StudGerbil(10 comments)posted 3 years ago

Mark Munroe promises that SB5 will be back, one piece at a time, before too long.
So why did we vote on this again? To give the appearance that the people have a say?

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7Iwannamove(61 comments)posted 3 years ago

UnionForever you need a new name how about Republican Toady ? You seriously have no clue.

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8target145(18 comments)posted 3 years ago

I beleive in issue 2 for the good people..but we have alot of bad cops and bad teacher's ect...we can't fire them...we have to ask them to leave if we gave them disability iand a check for life..
this is how we make bad COPs leave their jobs...Please now people wake up

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

Let the good times and the much higher taxes roll . . . ..

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10WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 3 years ago

Let the good times and the much higher taxes roll . . ON THE RICH!

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

WarrenRicheyKid :

"Let the good times and the much higher taxes roll . . ON THE RICH!"

It wouldn't be right to just tax the government workers . Those with much less will have to be taxed also . . ..

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12Ypboy(50 comments)posted 3 years ago

As a former Ytowner let me congratulate you on your stupidity on your voting on #2 and letting Bobby Hagan lead you. Look around you and look at the economic destruction the unions have caused. Enjoy the day because things will only get worse.

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13peacelover(791 comments)posted 3 years ago

Next phase will be to get rid of King John. I am proud of you today, Ohio.

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14unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

I guess all of you Republicans and Tea Baggers found out where the silent majority was really standing on issue 2. Most people have a mind of their own and don't drink the kool-aid just because some rich guy tells them to. You all should try it.....you know using your brain!!!

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15Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

unionproud :

"You all should try it.....you know using your brain!!!"

So paying more of our less and less in taxes so government workers can live in opulence while raising our misery index is good ? For who ? . . ..

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16unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

Stan your such a fool!!! You don't have a clue what the average public employee makes and by the way neither does Rush Limbaugh or his Fox News buddies. Trust me they are NOT getting rich on your tax dollars, but you should realize that they provide a service for even YOU and all your other TEA BAG buddies and they deserve to be paid for the work that they do. Nobody is going to be your slave!! By the way, looking at the amount of comments you have on this blog, you need to get a life!!!!

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17dawglb(3 comments)posted 3 years ago

I'd love to make more money too, but without higher revenue, where do you get the money? HUH? Please, enlighten me..... And for all those that believed in the "no cost savings" argument, come talk to me in the next few years when contracts are up. We'll be paying more then, say hello to higher taxes morons......

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18jasoninohio(119 comments)posted 3 years ago

I guess the fear mongers scared enough Ohians into voting against Issue 2.

I for one will never again vote for a school, police or fire levy in the State of Ohio ever again.

Those that opposed 2 did a huge dis-service to their fellow Ohioans.

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19Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years ago

unionproud @

“Never argue with a stupid person for they will only bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience

And you know what Stan the man is

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20unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

Nobody is asking for more money in an economy like this, but the bill that was just rejected would have given King John and his cronies the ability take what we already have. This bill was about much more than the "modest" changes of paying more for health care and pensions. You can't lie to the people of Ohio, most of them are smart enough to check out the facts before they spew garbage out of their mouths.

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21db(280 comments)posted 3 years ago

350,000 current Ohio GSU workers, 600,000+ current GSU retirees, and each bringing 3+ votes with him. Taxpayer's are taxed out, levies are not passing; so who's gonna pay these folks? Let the layoff's begin.

ps. I'm with Stan; don't knock him. He's right on the money.

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22rex(64 comments)posted 3 years ago

So now Ohio goes the way of Greece.
Condemned by our public employees.

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23DwightK(1292 comments)posted 3 years ago

"jasoninohio
I for one will never again vote for a school, police or fire levy in the State of Ohio ever again."

Yeah, those employees are just raking it in. Cops start at around $25,000. I'd like to see you strap a gun on and go into the Southside everyday to deal with drug dealers.

Teachers start at around $27,000 and have to deal with children who have a poor homelife and parents who can't even read well enough to help their kids with homework.

You have to pay for the society you want. If our head wasn't up our butts we would fight to pay higher taxes and higher more cops, teachers and zoning inspectors to get some of these problems under control.

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24MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

wooo hoo LET'S party and get our DETROIT ON ! The chick in the pic- KIP WINGER CALLED he wants his hair do back !

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25andersonathan(669 comments)posted 3 years ago

Well the area can also be so proud of being the number one poverty stricken area in the whole country also. Keep your heads up the Democratic Donkey and Union Label on your sleeve and be proud and keep a blind eye around you. Life is good in the area.

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26dawglb(3 comments)posted 3 years ago

@unionproud:

Keep thinking that while we as taxpayers have to keep pumping more money to pay for pensions, wages, and all the other benefits. And what's wrong with capping accumulated sick/vacation time? What's wrong with keeping your job using merit instead of JUST seniority??

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27MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

woo hoo the union slugs made sure CRACKHOUSE COMMIE Youngstown will remain behind the 8 ball of poverty - beer guts galore toasting the fact that census stats reflect the fact that there is not even a tax paying base left in Youngstown . Uhmmmm duhhhhh - - HEY losers jobs will be cut.

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28peacelover(791 comments)posted 3 years ago

Dwight, you are 100% correct. These fools think that just because SB5 was defeated, every public employee is getting a big raise to add to their already huge bank accounts, In reality, public employees are middle class folks who live anything but a lavish lifestyle. You anti union people, strap on a gun and go into the south side for $25,000. Go into a burning house next. See how much you enjoy the opulent life. Then after that, go get a master's degree and teach a bunch of kids who have drug dealers for parents or who are left to fend for themselves after school while mom is asleep drunk on the couch. See how fabulous your job is and revel in how much money you are raking in. Let King John find another way to balance Ohio's budget. That's his job. A good start would be with his own overblown salary and the salaries of all his staff which got huge raises.

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

Oh how spiteful they get when the victims aren't willing ones .

Private sector wages have fallen or are stagnated . The sky is the limit for public sector wages . Taxes which pay the public sector wages are going to reach new limits . . ..

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30MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

after drving from the downtown to their houses with the duck wall paper- thats now worth 12k - did they chant WE LOVE POVERTY - Clanking a 12 pack of bud. The pic looks like a scene from THE DAWN OF THE DEAD- Only diff is the Zombies have IQ'S above 50 and do understand basic math - general business concepts . lol lol lol

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31legend33(169 comments)posted 3 years ago

Can't wait for the fire, police and school tax levies to appear next year!

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32AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 3 years ago

sb5 was voted away because of all the union busting in it. Not just for the money. kasich will soon pass another law making public workers pay more for retirement and bene's. This time all the union busting will not be part of it. Hopefully the new law will be EQUAL for all public employess, not just the unionized workers.

For those who cmplain about the valley voting sb5 away and destroying the valley, well Columbus, Cincy also voted to rid us from sb5. Even the repub areas in the state knew it was bad for middle class ohio.

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33AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 3 years ago

chico, I agree

All americans should be able to have afforable health care and a retirement. But so many private sector companies took retirement away, now the elders must rely on Social security, and that is just not enough to live on.
So many people cannot afford health care, but they still need it, and we the middle class end up paying for it anyway.

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34honestman(33 comments)posted 3 years ago

jason and db, you talk about the levy's, thats a great point, who needs sb5 when your direct community can pass or fail a levy, next you'll acuse the fire and police of going door to door and bribing residents... levy's are thier voice, they vote yes or no, ...... its called taxation with representation. as far as us getting rich, all your morons that where pro sb5, choose to ignore the fact that most unions are taking pay freezes, have step programs to reduce costs, everyone mentions y-town. the youngstown guys make crap for ten years, your getting ten years of firefighting at a fraction of the cost. if your unhappy with your departments and how they are run, go to town meetings, council meetings etc. excersize your right to influence what you want out of your services. we are a paid and part time dept to keep costs down, we run an ambulance thats free to tax payers, we do our own chores, fix our own stations if its in a realm of abilities. we do all this to save money and give value to the taxpayers. they voted yes on our renewal, and we dont plan on putting on any new levies, so there unionforever and db and jasininohio, stick that in your 401k and smoke it

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35lighteningannie(8 comments)posted 3 years ago

Police, fire and school levies will always be there. No matter what happened yesterday, the school levies far outweighed the other issues, and most were voted down. Why, if they are getting so much from Columbus, do they continually have to ask for more money in the form of levies? Columbus already controls their cash.

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36dd933(243 comments)posted 3 years ago

I sense alot of hostility (what did I expect from the ultra-intelligent folks who post here?). And poor Mark Munroe, imagine how out of place he must feel, living in this valley of so many democratic minded people. Their own logo G.O.P. stands for Government of the People - well, the People have voted. Perhaps they should change their name to G.O.C. government of the corporations or G.O.R.P. government of the rich people......

People who don't sign their own paychecks were right in voting against issue 2. SB-5 would have broken the unions representing public employees - or made them useless - thus eliminating an important benchmark used by employers to set wages. Defeating the unions would have lowered wages and salaries across the board.

Those of us who are upset by the defeat of issue 2 should do what the rich always do when the price of labor gets too high - move to Kuala-Lumpur where the price of labor is cheap...

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37bobsaget(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

This is why Ohio and Youngstown are dumps. Keep letting the Union fight for the rights of the lazy ass workers in Ohio. You all just voted yourselves further into the ground and your to stupid to realize it.

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38Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years ago

nice first comment
You must be a ytowner up and coming rich guy . :) :): ): (

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39redvert(2094 comments)posted 3 years ago

So the public sector will continue to enjoy higher salaries and better retirements than the private sector, compliments of the private sector. So the private sector got what it deserved. I am sure they got all of the 47%ers. vote Got no problem with that.

So as the expenses go up and up, where will the money come from? Well Ohio already has a state income tax so they can just raise that a little bit each year and maybe add 1 percent to the sales tax from time to time. It is already close to 7% and what is a percent or 2!

I am sure the union community is ready now to unionize the whole state now that they have had a victory so I wonder how that will affect the thinking of any currently non union companies that may consider expanding into Ohio. No way to measure that but it would make sense that they will have no doubt as to what they will face.

With all this power the union needs to go after VLM or will that come after VLM has made their full investment?

All is good!!!

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40spiritfree(3 comments)posted 3 years ago

Emboldened and misguided union loyalists. We'll see how jubilant everyone is when RIF (reduction in force) is implemented. So much for union "brotherhood" and "solidarity" then.

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41unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

All of you crybabies could move south where the wages and taxes are lower, oh sorry the wages are the only thing thats lower. So just go there and the top one percent can make sure you stay where you belong, at the bottom.

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42kaye12(2 comments)posted 3 years ago

-Ohio What have you done. Now more of your business and hard working citizens will be heading south. You have already lost congressional seats if you haven't noticed. We have so many citizen from Ohio and Michigan that they could make their own Little Ohio. All are great people although they talk a little funny. The only problem is their constant conversations about Ohio State and Big Blue. They already enjoy the weather and laid back life, all that is left is to convert them to the SEC football family.

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43MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

GET IT- GOBOMINT -FEED BAGGERS W.M.D.'S AND CAREER GIMPS WIT THE LIMP WORKING DISSSSS ABILITY. ..

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44MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

welfare of mass destruction subjects - goverment loafer scuds- think the tax payers will continue to pass levy's-lol lol lol GOOT LUCK WIT DAT !

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45cambridge(3049 comments)posted 3 years ago

61% Wow that was a close one.

I couldn't be more proud of being from Ohio.The middle class of Ohio just sent a message to the teabagger/republicans.

Kasich obviously thought he was dealing with a state that was going to just lie there and take it while he destroyed their standard of living and their quality of life. The middle class answered back and this is only the beginning of taking this country back from the greed of the ultra rich, their media propaganda leader rupert murdoch and the teabagger/republicans in congress who's days are numbered.

Oh, and for all you losers, at least you can watch your best and brightest in their debate tonight. Enjoy. :-)

palin/parry 2012!

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46legend33(169 comments)posted 3 years ago

Did Dave Betras win anything? I wrote him in for everything...he's like a god and hero all in one!

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47captaincheese(43 comments)posted 3 years ago

Just because I voted against this tripe, doesn't mean that the public employees don't need to make some serious concessions. The state budget is balanced by mandate. Local school districts and municipalities are dying on the vine. There will be massive layoffs or massive concessions either way.

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48bobsaget(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

You Union Supporters Crack Me Up!!!!! Keep going out and threatening businesses with your thug like scare tactics, and wonder why all the businesses are closed, or moved elsewhere. Keep pretending the Union is looking out for what's best for the employees. All they care about is raking in there cut from businesses and their very own union members. They talk about how they will get you a job, but than when a non union company is ready to take you in with open arms, and offers good pay, the union won't allow it because that company isn't union so they won't be able to collect their money, and use it to self promote their campaigns. Keep keeping the Union strong, and keep watching the country fall. Just like Greece. You can't just keep begging for more and more, and expect everyone to fold to your demands.

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49Mu(1 comment)posted 3 years ago

Republicans are not concerned about the individual union worker which is only 2% of the U.S. workforce. I believe the Republicans would like to disban all unions due to the unions powerful Democratic lobbying arm in Washington.

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50MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

CLUE- when a place such as Canfield that still has an actual tax payer base rejects a school levy- it's a good indication that future issues and levy's will not pass. People are over it...The crunch GOBOMINT will hand out more money theory that has left Youngstown in a state of decline for decades no longer works for people that earn a living and seek to live beyond the thunder thigh dome of the - Vally of the Dolts...

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51bobsaget(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

And yes my family owns a business, and yes we have been repeatedly targets of Union Thugs scare tactics. They have shot up our work trucks. They have sent in spies. They have threatened to get the state not to pay us. They have actually stated "we won't stop until we get what we want." They call OSHA with false safety issues, and waste ours and OSHA's time. They have sued us for supposedly reneging on a verbal agreement (that was thrown out instantly). We get rewarded a job, within seconds we have union reps on the phone. Within the hour Union Reps at our door. Within 2 hours Union Reps were on our job site trying to dig up what ever they can.

This is how the union helps it's members. It tries to scare the businesses into hiring them. But don't be fooled union workers. We are more than happy to hire you, but unless we sign that union agreement so the union could tap us out, they won't let you come to work. So yes they will get you a job, but only if it benefits them.

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52stewie(109 comments)posted 3 years ago

OH WAH,WAH WAH! What a bunch of sore losers you anti union repukes are! Wow it really hurts being knocked off your soap box huh? Well deal with it ! Bunch of right to work state whiners. Go live down south with the rest of the anti union hilljacks if you don't like it here. See how that works for you.

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53kaye12(2 comments)posted 3 years ago

Yea Stewie you are so briliant. Youngstown=Detroit.Hard workers, Keep coming down south as long as you do not bring any of the nannny state politics with you. Your kids will have a chance to make it and not have to hand over their paychecks for union bennies . My brother is a Fireman in ATL. and my sister-in-law is from Clevland. They are doing fine down here. Stewie you just keep talking, one day you will wake up and everyone's pension will be gone when the whole system collapses. We are tired of bailing u out.

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54bobsaget(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

Wow your telling people to leave YOUNGSTOWN, OH!!!! Trust me I did years ago, I just can't believe you all actually have a chance to finally make up for the years of Unions crippling this state, and you throw it away. The Union has you all so brainwashed it sickens me. I'm doing just fine for myself and my family. Keep following your union, and letting them cripple the state more and more, and than don't cry when no one wants to bail you out. Remember us business owners employ you people. We risk our money to give as many people jobs that our company can possibly afford. We work for our money just like our employees. You all are fooled into thinking business owners are scum, and use all the money their company makes to support themselves. Maybe for some bad business owners but the good ones pay themselves for the work they put in. We need the profit to expand business. We need to grow in order to hire more workers. We need to grow in order to pay for equipment to complete jobs. But when the union jumps in, they don't care about the business growing. They care about getting the majority of the businesses employees to turn on there business, so they can scam them out of as much money as they can. They will take their cut from the business, they will darn sure get their cut from you, and than when the business can't afford to continue paying into the unions demands, they will shut down, and the union will be on to the next company. Get a clue people. These UNIONS are THUGS, whether you want to believe it or not. They just used $30 million dollars to make sure this law didn't pass. They used $400 million dollars to ensure Obama was voted in.

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55redvert(2094 comments)posted 3 years ago

To those of you that rag on us that live in and worked in the South, I must admit, you have a point. I retired from a non union electronic firm in Florida in 1999. I have struggled since then, only own one house in Florida, one house in Ohio, commercial property in Florida and a 2010 F-150 (ALL PAID FOR)! Oh, I forgot about the two classic cars, (one for Ohio, one for Florida).... yes, paid for!!!

I do not get to enjoy 3-4 months of ice and snow, state income tax, 6.75% sales tax (well, yes for six months) and worst of all I had to move up the ladder at work based on my own merits. Having to think for yourself is rough, of course some of you would not know that. I did not have the luxury of knowing that when Bubba who had one more day of seniority than me kicked the bucket, I would move up, unless my union leaders had a brother-in-law that needed to move up.

So bottom line, don't pick on us poor folks down south, we have it tough enough!!!

ps: One more thing, let me address the usual comeback. Yes, with out union protection losers will be fired without notice.

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56TonyL(44 comments)posted 3 years ago

I wonder about how many union jobs will be forfeited now!! The people spoke and made their choice.
What is it worth, to have collecting bargaining, if you don't have a job?

This is another bailout for the Union Bosses and not the worker!!

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57bobsaget(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

Remember RedVert, these people are the ones who strike and picket against there employers. You think they are worried about trying to work harder to earn their way up the totem pole. Nope. Instead of working hard, they want to fight for the same pay and rights as the workers that do work their asses off. If I have a worker coming at me complaining they aren't getting paid enough, than I'm probably not going to make it a point to give them a raise. Now the ones that sit back, don't cause rifts with our other employees, and work their asses off on a daily basis, they will be rewarded. I don't reward EGOS, I don't reward people that BEG for handouts, and I surely don't reward a COMPLAINER. What is the main purpose of the UNION. To constantly COMPLAIN about there pay, to cater to the EGOS of workers who think they are worth more than they are, and to BEG for as much as they can get. And if they don't get their way they pout and put on cry baby strikes because the aren't getting hand outs.

Get over your sense of ENTITLEMENT people. Why did the NBA go on strike? Because he players continually pushed for more and more money until the league couldn't afford to give them anymore. Now that the league pushed back to save themselves from taking a loss, they have their all mighty union fighting for there rights. Well here is news flash. If the business model is broke, and he owners who spend their money are losing money, they should have the right to make changes in order to get out of the red. You all don't think about the businesses that are losing money, instead you are selfishly out to get as much as you can from that business that employs you.

Well union people. That model is broke. Greece is showing that right now. You can't ask for more and more until all the money is tapped out.

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58lighteningannie(8 comments)posted 3 years ago

Question....do the staffers and Governor Kasich practice what they preach? Didn't they all get raises in the middle of this economy, and do they pay for their beneifts too?
Inquiring minds...

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59epictetus(7 comments)posted 3 years ago

Great! Now the cops can get back to the important business of writing us $350 speeding tickets!

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60Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

Youngstown is #1 and proud of it . The least amount of people are oppressed here with having to labor . . . .. Soon government workers will have to tax welfare to maintain their standard of living . . . .. Foreclosures and demolitions are putting limits on property taxes being collected . . . ..

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61TonyL(44 comments)posted 3 years ago

lighteninggannie - A Ohio Commission study found that pay, benefits, promised pensions and a dollar value to job security meant public workers have a 43-percent compensation advantage over their private-sector counterparts.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the national wage-plus-benefits averages in June were $28.13 per hour in the private sector and $40.40 per hour in the public sector.

Instead of worrying about what Kasich and his staff gets, Look at the 350,000 union public workers cost the to Ohio tax payers if each of these public workers got a $1.00/hr raise. The cost of this raise to Ohio taxpayers will be $2,800,000.00/day and you are complaining about Kasich giving a few staffers $250,000/year in total raises.

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62lighteningannie(8 comments)posted 3 years ago

The point I want to make is that in order to be credible in what you want others to do, you need to be doing the same thing. This is more than a money issue, it's an accountability issue also. My guess is that if he had done what he expects others to do, the vote would have been quite different.

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63seminole(476 comments)posted 3 years ago

The lazy, mostly uneducated, pay me a bunch of money union workers got themselves all together and crushed this bill 'cause they provide services aint none of the rest of us can do, huh?...Ohio is carpeted with unions and union workers, about 350,000 of them, right? Good, now when your greedy get paid for hitting a quota selves no longer have a job because your union financially rapes your township on contracts or your employer can no longer pay the outrageous criminal wages you "earned" then we would all like to hear your rhetoric of "the people have spoken" then. Your circle jerk groups have ruined this country and you are not the "middle class" as you like to pronounce. Pulling a trigger on a robotic arm isn't any hard working American's idea of a "middle class" job. You're just getting, in your estimation, middle class wages for being a brain-dead trigger puller. Good luck when you are jobless within the next two years. Good to see you "got paid" when the sh-- hits the fan. As they say, be careful what you wish for...

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64legend33(169 comments)posted 3 years ago

I was a Teamster and all that is made me was an overpaid, lazy worker who couldn't be fired. Ah, the lazy days of the 80's were have they gone.
Long live Hoffa!

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65lilgandee(103 comments)posted 3 years ago

We lost but in reality all of Ohio did. Believe it or not Kasich is trying to look out for Ohio. You voters will vote him out and the new guy will start taxing us for everything and the economy will suffer so spending will decrease. Who cares about that as long as the union stays in tact, right? Enjoy your victory because you earned it and just wait when the shi* hits the fan. Like me or not I just understand where Kasich is coming from. He is far better than Strickland, he was the winner over him but he also thinks of ways to try and get our debt down and not increase us with additional taxes. Congrats and party it up.....

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66redvert(2094 comments)posted 3 years ago

geromajor, I can drive my classic cars (71 Vette Convertible and a 67 Nova) wherever I want to go. And yes, they are drivers, not trailer queens. I don't need to tow them so no need for a F-350! I buy what I need, not something to impress others. If you need a diesel to tow your drag car, that is fine.

Next time don't make it so easy for me to reply.

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67redvert(2094 comments)posted 3 years ago

A couple people have mentioned the fact that more and more revenue will be needed to continue to support the ever increasing dept in Ohio. You already are paying state income tax and 6.75% sales tax I believe. Are you trying to be the next California?

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68jupiter(116 comments)posted 3 years ago

@FD6636: If only the Vindicator mouthpieces (Franko and de Souza) could succinctly and accurately write as you have. I think that pretty much sums it all up. Well done! "That's all there is and there ain't no more!"...until the empire decides to strike back...or revenge of the tea hobbits occurs.

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69redvert(2094 comments)posted 3 years ago

dimebag, and to think that a lot of people thought that 50-60 years of voting straight democrat would not payoff. Kinda brings a tear to my eye.

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70doubled(210 comments)posted 3 years ago

Well, at least I know where to look if I want to find the 20% of Mahoning County voters who supported SB5 --- Right here on this board.
Man, are you people sure are pathetic, but you make up for it by being completely obnoxious.

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71slappysmith(55 comments)posted 3 years ago

lol, you hit the nail right on the head doubled, the sheep all flock on these comments thinking they are going to show us something we already know, they are uneducated misinformed nincompoops with no clue that they are the problem not the solution

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72MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

please only stupid crack-billy fat-tards rock the vote DETROIT style. lol lol lol -

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73MARGEOMATIC(128 comments)posted 3 years ago

the profile of the typical G F S - WMD -DEMOCRACK free-baser - have kiids tossing shopping carts off of parking decks - LOSERS that line up at the DQ at 10:00 pm after sports and wonder why they have fat-tardic slob kids.Flash Mob democrack heads have to hit the drive thru at 11 pm because they can't have pizza delivered to their gobomint gift cribs...CAR PLANT COMMIES sit at rehab rather than work 7-10's after stuffung car parts down their under-roo's to sell out of the car trunk ... Typical Slobs lucky to even have jobs.Youngstown is full of rejects. DOZE IT.

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74unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

Its been fun reading all of the slim and garbage that you Teabaggers say, but here is the truth of the matter. The TEABAGGERS HAVE LOST ANY CLOUT THEY USED TO HAVE. When your leaders were willing to let our country default this past summer the average American finally realized what a bunch of right wing nut cases you really are. You are done, finished, this vote proves it. BYE BYE BAGGERS ITS BEEN INTERESTING. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.........

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75WhatRUAfraidOf(85 comments)posted 3 years ago

The comments about those in the public sector making more than those in the private sector for similar jobs would be funny IF they were true. However, I work in the public sector and make at least $25,000 LESS than I would in a similar private-sector position, if there were any to be had around here. The closest places I could go to work in the private sector in my career field are Cleveland or Pittsburgh, and I don't want to drive that far. If my spouse were not in his chosen career, which forces us to stay in the area for five more years until he retires, I would have moved away years ago.

The slightly better benefits we have in the public sector, and they really are not all that much better, are to make up for not being able to earn as much as in the private sector, particularly in a high-tech field like mine. I already pay 15% of the premium on my health care insurance and 10% of my salary toward retirement. It irritates me that the governor and others propagate the idea that no one in the public sector pays for these things. I certainly do. I wonder if Kasich and his cronies pay for any of theirs?

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76unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

SB5 was voted down in every county but 7!!! It truly took more than Union Members and there families to repeal this outrages bill. Just thinking if all Republicans were as hyped up about SB5 as the Teabaggers they would have went out to vote as well. I guess a lot of fair minded Republicans knew this bill was a far right wing attack on working people and decided to stay home instead of voting. Guess they didn't agree with the Baggers either. Interstate 79 and 77 lead south, whats stopping you!!

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77andersonathan(669 comments)posted 3 years ago

Well actually the Tea Party split in Ohio. And slid one past the unions and demo-crack-heads. Issue 3 defeating Obuma's mandated health care went off unnoticed in fact if you union heads would have stuck it out and voted on 3 like you did on 2 instead of turning you ballots in. The Messiah would have had a glorious day. So no one needs to remind you off a 2008 debate between Obuma and Clinton when she said his plan was a mandate plan and hers was not and Obuma said she was basically delusional.

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78LtMacGowan(654 comments)posted 3 years ago

I just wanted to say I'm very proud of my state today. Im disappointed Issue 3 passed, but atleast we overwhelmingly put S.B. 5 on the ash heap of history.

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79andersonathan(669 comments)posted 3 years ago

Hardly 2 will be back in several forms, Ohio government needs 8 billion to get back to the black think we need to divide it out and lay off some people.

So lets start with teachers, Youngstown city schools are testing where? Maybe a few need to go?

Or do you want a new tax on the poverty stricken area?

Maybe since GM workers just received a 9 Grand bonus they can all donate it to lift the burden? Or better yet maybe the federal government should send the UAW workers a bill divided out evenly between all workers and management to pay off what they needed to stay afloat?

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80unionproud(26 comments)posted 3 years ago

I think it might be better if our government bought an island for teabaggers to live on. Then you all can live in misery and poverty. Your taxes will be low because you will be working peanuts. Hey you will actually take care of the immigration problem too because they will be making more in Mexico than you.

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81marianne(66 comments)posted 3 years ago

SB5 wasn't even in effect yet:
Deputies have been laid off for over a year
Teachers are out of work
Firefighters are laid off

No one wanted SB5 so I want to ask one thing:
IS IT WORKING????

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82TonyL(44 comments)posted 3 years ago

The deaf book-keeper

A Union Boss finds out that his bookkeeper has cheated him out of
ten million bucks. His bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got
the job in the first place. It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would
not hear anything that he might have to testify about in court.

When the Union Boss goes to confront the bookkeeper about his missing $10 million, he brings along the Union attorney, who knows sign language.

The Union Boss tells the lawyer, "Ask him where the 10 million bucks he
embezzled from me is." The attorney, using sign language, asks the
bookkeeper where the money is.

The bookkeeper signs back: "I don't know what you are talking about."
The attorney tells the Union Boss: "He says he doesn't know what you're
talking about."

The Union Boss pulls a Hoffa and out comes a pistol, puts it to the bookkeeper's temple and says,
"Ask him again!"

The attorney signs to the bookkeeper: "He'll kill you if you don't tell him!" The bookkeeper signs back: "OK! You win!
The money is in a brown briefcase, buried behind the shed in my cousin's backyard at Cleveland Heights!"

The Union Boss asks the attorney: "Well, what'd he say?" The attorney replies: "He says you don't have the balls to pull the trigger."

Don't you just love lawyers?

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