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Misinformation distorts measure, Kasich tells crowd

Published: Wed, November 2, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

By David Skolnick



Gov. John Kasich said he understands why public employees are “nervous” about state Issue 2, the ballot issue that would restrict some collective-bargaining rights for those workers.

“They were told a lot of misinformation,” Kasich, a Republican, said Tuesday at a pro-Issue 2 rally outside the Spread Eagle Tavern in Hanoverton.

Those opposed to Issue 2, Kasich said, make it seem as if there won’t be quality teachers in school systems and that there won’t be enough nurses in hospitals if the proposal passes in Tuesday’s election.

Kasich played down the bill’s impact, saying it does not eliminate collective bargaining and asks for workers to pay only 10 percent of their pension costs and at least 15 percent of their health-insurance premiums.

“We’re not asking for 50 percent of their health-care [premiums] or taking away their pensions,” Kasich said to about 200 supporters at the rally.

Bob Shilling of Salem, a high school teacher in the United school district who was among about 25 protesters at the rally, said he already pays 10 percent of his pension costs and 15 percent of his health-insurance premiums.

“I think that it’s right, when times are tough, to compromise,” said Shilling, who added he has no issue with the mandatory pension and health-insurance percentages in Issue 2.

But the issue, he said, also allows teachers to be fired based on evaluations, but it isn’t clear how they’d be evaluated.

“Issue 2 just goes too far,” Shilling said.

A plastic fence separated Issue 2 supporters and opponents. There were only a few verbal exchanges between the two sides.

Protesters shouted at Kasich, who immediately acknowledged them, saying, “I’m glad the folks who are unhappy with the bill are here. Maybe they’ll learn something they didn’t know.”

The protesters called Kasich everything from a “criminal” to a “traitor” to an “idiot,” the last a reference to comments Kasich made earlier this year about a Columbus police officer who had given him a traffic ticket years ago. Issue 2 opponents, including a few school-age children, wore neon green ‘No on 2’ shirts.

“What bothers me the most about John Kasich is the ads he ran against Ted Strickland that blamed him for the 400,000 jobs lost,” said Bob Comer, who said he had driven 45 minutes from Carroll County. Comer engaged in a heated discussion with an Issue 2 supporter after Kasich’s speech.

A Kasich supporter, Sheree Mollenkopf of Lisbon, who works as a bookkeeper for Thompson Brothers Mining Co. in New Springfield, said Kasich and she feel the same way.

“I totally support what he says,” she said.

After the speech, Kasich told reporters that Issue 2 is fair and allows communities to control costs.

When asked what happens if it fails, and polls are showing that to be the case, Kasich said to wait until after next week’s election before discussing what’s next.

“When voters speak, you need to listen to them,” he said.

But Kasich said if the issue is defeated, he’s going to have discussions with elected officials at the local level and ask what should be done to cut costs.

“Change is hard,” he said.

After the governor’s appearance in Columbiana County, he spoke at a similar rally before about 400 people in Ravenna. The Columbus Dispatch contributed to this report.


1VindyPost(436 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Protesters shouted at Kasich, who immediately acknowledged them, saying, “I’m glad the folks who are unhappy with the bill are here. Maybe they’ll learn something they didn’t know.”


Frankly, it is Knowledge: We have facts, truths, principles. Information given has been processed and assessed. Wisdom, buddy... Wisdom.

(Again, another typical cocky remark from Ka-Sick.)

Vote No On Issue 2!

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2AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

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kasick is "last minute" camouflaging and down playing the bill. We've
been well-informed, read between the lines, discern black and white.

Stick it to him on Tues. November 8th!


Vote NO on issue 2.

Reality sets in, his numbers
continue to deeply fall.

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3Phil_EngAmer(32 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

A lot of this issue has been plagued with partisan politics, and keeping a state from being inundated with debt hardly seems like an issue that needs debating. However, unions have significant political pull, and as a result the issue gets weighed down by rhetoric. Consider the massive amount money has been poured into the debate from out-of-state interest groups (http://eng.am/uKMrvk).

It’s interesting to look at the issue from both sides of the coin, on the one hand you have certain studies reporting that public sector employees only earn slightly more in total compensation than private sector employees (http://eng.am/rPYEPZ). On the other hand, there are studies finding that the gap is actually as wide as 43% in favor of public sector employees (http://eng.am/pFPawi). Any study is going to have its own interests, but when those are the two ends of the spectrum, it’s pretty clear you have a compensation issue in the state.

What you don’t want to end up with a situation like you currently have in Rhode Island, where one city has already declared bankruptcy and others may not be far behind (http://eng.am/rPYEPZ). However, when you look at the amount of unfunded liabilities Ohio has in relation to its population, the number is almost identical to that of Rhode Island (http://eng.am/p9JEUG).

That’s why legislation like this is so important. A state can only rack up unfunded liabilities for so long. It depends on its citizens to fund the system, but in these times it gets harder and harder for taxpayers. From the first quarter of 2007 through the last quarter of 2009, the average value of hourly compensation (wages plus benefits) rose by 9.8 percent for employees of state and local governments, compared to 6.9 percent in the private sector (http://eng.am/pn5weF).

It’s a bubble ready to burst unless the state can come to a compromise and find a way to reform public sector compensation before it’s too late.

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4fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What Kasich is distorting is the fact that he is using the " they don't pay into hospitalization, they don't pay into pension " story...............Bull s$$t!!! He is trying to hide the fact that SB5 is 300 pages of unbrideled fury towards unions, and union membership!! What he fails to tell the voters is how SB5 takes all bargining rights and slides them to management with no worker recourse towards future assults by law enforced politicans. Let the truth be known, govenor, don't lie to the people because believe it or not, the general middle class public can smell you like a wet rug!!! My question towards pension and healthcare co-pays is how much do the Columbus, right wing , round table unproven Kasich crew pay??? How do you justify DOUBLE digit pay raises after 11 months??? Why did your little rally have to be ticket only??? would of loved to hear your bull s##t!!! SB5 is a very dangerous law that takes safety out of police officers and firefighters hands, and places that safety SOLELY in the hands of politicans. Question: How many firefighters are required for a two story, singlle family dwelling occupied house fire? Don't feel bad if you don't know, your local politicans don't know either. this is why this law is so dangerous. gives dangerous power to one side of the table that do not know how to use it! All the state wants to do is reform(CUT), if you think this law is all good, WAIT TILL IT AFFECTS YOU, AND I HOPE IT NEVER DOES!!! vote no on issue 2, 300 pages of a bill that only lawyers can read( to confuse the voters, and to hide loopholes) Also, remember, if this was about pensions and benefits, we wouldnt be where we are today!!

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5AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Hanoverton / United Local schools


Just a very select few United Local school district employess make over $60,000 a year. I use $60,000 since that is what Dave Johnson makes off the state for 24 meetings a year. I would guess Johnson pay ZERO toward bene's and retirement. And to say teachers are overpaid and running the state broke is just complete BS. Most teachers pay toward retirement and Bene's. Its the Dave Johnsons of Ohio that are getting the free ride.


Vote NO on issue 2

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6Oop81269(16 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Let me give you some info directly from SB5. If an employee is SUSPECTED of taking part in a strike he forfits TWICE his daily pay for those days that he is SUSPECTED of having taken part in the strike, but, it is up to the employee to PROVE that he did not take part in the strike (what if he was in the hospital) and has to sign a sworn affidavit and go to court to get his money back. 12 People APPOINTED by the Governor, President of the Senate, and the Speaker of the house; all of these get paid out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and reimbursed for all "operating expenses paid for out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and according to Ohio Revised Code 124.15 which means that the can make as much as $32.00 per hour for a 40 hour week and they don't pay for their health care because they are state appointees and get it for FREE! (2) Members shall receive compensation fixed pursuant to division
(J)(A) of section 124.15 of the Revised Code and shall be reimbursed from
the school employees health care fund for actual and necessary expenses
incurred in the performance of their official duties as members of the board. THEN there are another 18 bureaucrats appointed to watch over these 12, all with the same free ride. Oh and I almost forgot, They also get to hire their own aides and these get paid for out of the SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND. For each and every profession listed in these adds they are going to add more bureaucrats that will cost even more tax payer money. How does any of this sound right to you? Don't beleive me?
OK, here is something to actually read.
At the very least make an educated vote and don't be one of the "sheepeople" blindly following a political party. Here is a link to all 304 pages.
Project Vote Smart condensed version.

And this page will link you to all the ballot issues in Ohio.

This page allows you to look up all the Ohio Revised Codes that the are talking about.

Copy and paste these links into your browser. Get informed. Make an informed vote!

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7AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

""Copy and paste these links into your browser. Get informed. Make an informed vote!""

Thank you for the information..........

Now I am sure I will vote NO on issue 2

Vote informed....... VOTE NO issue 2

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8SomeFacts(3 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

As important as Issue 2 is, We the People of Ohio must also remember it isn't the only single minded "screw the people and protect the republican agenda" on the ballot this November.

Vote NO Issue 1 - Ohio doesn't need to have career judges.

Vote NO Issue 2 - Ohio doesn't need laws which are clearly one political view point and then exempt the very people that made the law from following the law.

Vote NO Issue 3 - Ohio requires the people to buy car insurance, which was never put to vote, but requiring health insurance is somehow idiotic?

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9fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

No.7's post about SB5 is just the tip of the iceburg of whats in this dangerous, on sided socialist anti-middle class bill. I did not even know this until i looked into it. The 300 page law has so many loopholes that if your not a laywer, forget about ever fully understanding it!!! You wanna do somthing to amuse yourselves out there: take a copy of the bill that was printed TWICE by the "peoples "paper, give ti to a tea bagger, right wing republib, and have THEM explain the sections of the law to you. THEY CANT!!!! and they want to pass this garbage? VOTR DOWN THIS LAW THAT EXEMPTS THOSE WHO WROTE IT!!! dont believe me? pag. 132, SB5 EXEMPTS LAWMAKERS FROM ALL PARTS WITH IN SB5!!

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10doubled(210 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Hey PhilEng -- i like how you try to cloak your lies with thin facts, particulalry when those facts are derived from absolute right-wing sources. What a crock, your statement that "some studies show that public employees earn slightly more than private sector and some studies show the gap as wide a 43%" --- BULL---You're a piece of garbage --- and you know why -- b/c you're sneaky with your lies, cunning even. The MOST RECENT STUDY IN OHIO -- published in the Dispatch LAST WEEK makes it very clear that when considering wages AND benefits, public employees earn slightly less than the private sector...but that public employees have - on average - 25% more college degrees than their "counterparts" in the private sector...so don't come hear and act like you're some voice of reason, citing studies which contain so-called "facts" -- when you know that the information in your studies, is not based on facts at all, but rather partisan rhetoric to further the corporate agenda of weakening the working class of this country....that way they won't have to ship all there jobs to mexico or peru, they can just keep their factories here -- and pay 5.00 an hour. Freaking lying coward.

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11TrustNo1(4 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

K-sick hopes that people are as stupid as he thinks they are. The ONLY thing he ever mentions about the bill is the pension and healthcare costs. If that was all this was about then the bill might have had a chance but he over-stepped big time.

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