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16-year-old shot to death in Youngstown



Published: Mon, June 20, 2011 @ 12:12 a.m.

By William K. Alcorn

alcorn@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

An autopsy was scheduled today on the body of 16-year-old Brandon Adkins, a Chaney High School sophomore, who was shot and killed late Saturday night on South Avenue.

Youngstown police questioned witnesses at the scene but said Sunday there were no known suspects.

Adkins’ death, if ruled a homicide by the Mahoning County coroner, would be the sixth murder in 2011 to date compared with 13 as of June 19, 2010.

According to the police report, witnesses reported hearing several shots about 11:30 p.m. in the 3100 block of South Avenue. A large group of people gathered at the scene, causing police to call for back-up units. The victim was believed to have lived on nearby East Philadelphia Avenue, according to a coroner’s investigator.

Victoria Allen, president of the I.C.U. Blockwatch, one of 14 block-watch programs in the Seventh Ward, lives on Lucius Avenue near where the shooting occurred.

She said she heard four shots.

After doing a “kid count” or her children and neighborhood children, she walked to South Avenue arriving about the same time as police and Rural-Metro ambulance personnel.

“I didn’t know him (the victim) personally, but he lives in my block-watch area,” Allen said.

“I don’t think he was shot where he was found in the driveway of a home because police found no shell casings. I think he was shot somewhere else and ran there,” she said. “I saw blood pooling. I was maybe five feet from him.”

There were just a few people at the scene at first, but once they covered the body and people realized he was dead, the situation became chaotic, Allen said.

The body was there for about two hours before it was removed. About 100 people stood near the scene by that time, she said.

This is another unfortunate murder in the city, said 7th Ward Councilman John R. Swierz.

“I really truly believe we have a full-fledged crime and violence problem in the city. We need to identify the root causes, which could be anything from families to the educational system to the jobless rate. Once we identify what is creating juvenile crime and violence, then we need to put a plan together to curb it,” Swierz said.

“It might take the entire community... everybody has to be involved in identifying it,” he said.

“Any death is too much, but it seems like these deaths are senseless. We have teens roaming the neighborhoods breaking into houses and cars... we have to stop these kind of activities. People are leaving the city because of the fear factor,” Swierz said.

The councilman said this is not just a problem in Youngstown. It is in many urban cities in the nation.

Allen said her block watch will meet at 7 p.m. today at 2536 South Ave. She said the latest killing will undoubtedly be the main topic of conversation.


Comments

188napolitano(16 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Damn! I,I cant freakin believe it.Another one down. Course ya gotta wonder gang banger,dope slinger.Wrong crowd.Passed curfew was it?

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288napolitano(16 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Damn! I,I cant freakin believe it.Another one down. Course ya gotta wonder gang banger,dope slinger.Wrong crowd.A shame. It was passed curfew,right??

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3Woodley(26 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Yesterday I spent my Father's Day by going to church and praising and worshiping God. I don't attend church because it is the "polictical" thing to do. I am grateful for God's blessings to me and my loved ones. "Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he won't depart from God." We as African Americans are departingfrom God. Young Black children have no guidance at home. Too many children are having children. Sex, fame and the easy dollar is what our young seem to seek. Is it their fault or is it the fault of the adults. Until we turn back to God, things will only get worse.

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4Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"This is another unfortunate murder in the city, said 7th Ward Councilman John R. Swierz."

And that right there is the comment of the year. Like, 'Oh well', another murder. Get real.

"“I really truly believe we have a full-fledged crime and violence problem in the city."

You think so? smh

"We need to identify the root causes, which could be anything from families to the educational system to the jobless rate."

There is the excuse once again...blame everyone and everything.

"Once we identify what is creating juvenile crime and violence, then we need to put a plan together to curb it,” Swierz said."

Problem is no MORALS with these people. None whatsoever. Find them (and everybody knows who they are) and arrest them (even for petty things) and take them out back behind the courthouse and shoot them. Easy plan.

"We have teens roaming the neighborhoods breaking into houses and cars... we have to stop these kind of activities."

Not to mention all the teens with guns. But everyone is scared to report them or say "I no see nothing". Pitiful.

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I have been preaching about the culture for a long time . I have been up close to the culture . I have a full understanding of the support it gets . Joe Kaluza is reminded everyday of his brush with the culture . He is the victim and not those in prison for robbing and shooting him . Jamar Houser is looked upon as the victim by the culture . Angeline Fimognari is viewed as simply the means of persecuting him . Her death means nothing to them . Now we have a young Brandon Adkins shot in the back and killed . His killer will also be viewed as a victim when and if caught . I repeat again to the mentally challenged that the SouthSide is a killing field . It is way past time to erradicate the culture and restore morality back to the souls on the SouthSide . Job generation will set a foundation for success in doing so . I would like to see a furniture factory started there to get the ball rolling . The ones operating in the Carolinas should be contacted to expand to Youngstown .

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6Attis(863 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Youngstown's South Side is a vast wilderness created and sustained by vast neglect and abuse by all institutions in our society which have abandoned this ghetto decades ago. Why go to the other side of the world to fight terrorism when it flourishes in this US-made killing field? Bring home the troops and station them on every corner and street while investing billions in rebuilding this once vibrant working class community. That won't happen because Uncle Sam does not give a damn about these poor kids destined either for an early grave or prison cell.

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7Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

People with a dream built Youngstown from the wilderness years ago . The parasites fed from the productive and destroyed the goose laying the golden eggs . Today once again we need productive people to chart the course for the future .

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8mjusino(15 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Sweep the city for weapons, which apparently are as easily accessible as cell phones. It's the cops and robbers syndrome. Hollywood glamorizes criminals/crimes. The lack of any type of censorship and discipline has resulted in a complete lack of morals and compassion. As a side note, I grew up on the South side and have many, many fond memories. That was back in the days when families ate together, you were proud of your homes and took care of them, you respected your neighbors, and kids played until 10:00 at night without a care in the world. *sigh*

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I remember the armed guards at Forest City Auto Parts on Indianola preventing those with a lack of souls from robbing and killing . . ..

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10Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

drew

Try to make sense in your comments and maybe take a English course, it just might help.

So you see exactly what I've been saying "EXCUSES." Blame everyone and everything. Ever wonder why some people who want to succeed, Succeed, and others that have no desire, Don't. Why is that? You can cry and whine how society and the city is doing you wrong, and you must think it's greener on the other side, well it's not. You can move out of the city and go elsewhere, but in the end it's all the same, the places change but the person doesn't. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL that wants to make it. All you have to do is look in the mirror and quit making excuses. There are successful people out there. Comprehend?
Never stops with the EXCUSES, does it?

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11Doctore(52 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

No, they can eat. I see them getting steaks at the store, hair and nails always done up. As Stan would say, "it's the culture". An entire mass of people feel like they are owed something. Guess what, YOU'RE NOT. Finish school, WORK hard, don't have kids at fifteen years old. See, these are all choices, choices that you make. You can blame oppression, or you're hatred for police, but this feeling of "imma take urs cuz I deserve it" ends at the barrels of the guns of hard working, proud Americans who are tired of their towns being destroyed.

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

adandrews :

I can see your distaste for the generation of jobs and forcing the people to work for a living .

Those who held the gun, robbed and killed are not the victims by any means . The parasites don't mind killing the host .

What the culture would savor would be a rob,kill and rape day set aside for them every week with amnesty afterwords .

It is well past time to once again make all of Youngstown productive . Jobs for the hoods of Youngstown should be priority one . The drug culture and killings should not define the contents of Youngstown .

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13AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

""Once we identify what is creating juvenile crime and violence, then we need to put a plan together to curb it,” Swierz said""

There is not enough discpline in todays society. At home, at school, at the court house, peer preasure. If a school tries to discipline a child, the parents blame the school for mistreament of child. If parent disciplines child, the state says thats cruelty to kids, If friend tries discipline, its bullying. There is always someone BLAMING somebody else. Society must WORK together to make a better society, not against each other. Parents, Police, Schools, Neighbors, must join TOGETHER with each other, to teach, be role models, discipline, and let children there are consequences to their actions. Then the child must be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their actions. And not wait until a DEATH accures to punish children.

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14redvert(2048 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

As Matt said in the first post and Stan and others reiterated, it all boils down to the same bottom line. When the community, whether it be white, brown, or black decides that they have had enough, then and only then will anything change.

I applaud the neighborhood watches that are trying but they need help and unfortunately there are too many people that consider the watch groups to be a enemy.

As Bellamy stated, when is the last time that you saw the mayor or his cohorts actually getting involved other than a few photo ops.

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15williamdante(3 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

first of all all of the people on this site if you dont know the kid dont say nothin you dont know brandon he was a good kid a brother a son and about to be a father he didnt bother no one and the truth is its not the low job availibilty its the fact that these kids are young that do these upseting crimes of violence and they dont want jobs they want to do what was stamped into there brains is any one on here under the age 25 if so u will understand they were not fed with a silver spoon . i think if you want to stop the violence you must look in your own back yard stop turning these kids away embrase them as they are problems and all frome there let them decide they all know where they are wanted and where they have open arms dont fake the funk be a human and help them dont change them the youth is the future leaders of the world

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16MLC75(526 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

16 and about to be a father,that's the problem williamdante.You are giving nothing but excusses,where are his parents.It's the black communities responsibility ,to stop all of the violence,drugs and teen pregnancy,that your youth are experiencing.

This is not a racist post,I don't see white neighborhoods,where kids are running around shooting and killing each other.

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17javontae(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

man me and brandon used to hate each other then we became friends now hes dead i knew him since the third grade man why do teens do this do they realise that they kill peoples friends families this needs to stop.

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18Millie(192 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

About to be a father? And he is a wonderful young person. Tell me he had money, education or a job to pay for the hospital bill, and then the long term responsibility for housing and food for this baby. We might as well sign our entire paycheck over to the welfare office because none of us will live long enough to ever see this pattern change.

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19Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

williamdante :

"these kids are young that do these upseting crimes of violence and they dont want jobs"

Unless these kids get a sense of morality form their parents they are doomed . When school is finished and they run afoul of the law they should be given two choices a job or jail . The killer of Brandon Adkins should be tried as an adult if he isn't of age . We still execute murderers and this is 100% effective as then they will murder no more .

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20williamdante(3 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

first of all i am a white educated male from san diego and yes he was a teen and black is that a problem because he was black let me tell you look around its america the melting pot of all race and religon quit living in the sixtys and to the question yes he had a job and yes he was educated still going to school not a drop out now if you dont know him dont be a blastfimer and if your stating that blacks are the problem you are wrong its the people that think because they are not black they can blame them i stongly object to the blame of color religon or area its the world we tell are kids not to do things that are wrong but then you scream at them you fight with your spouse or husband no he was a good kid and waas on the rite track black white pinbk green yellow i know its not his fault

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

williamdante :

You seem to have a comprehension problem . Brandon Adkins the victim is black . His killers color ? When his killer is caught and found to be black he should be given special credit and set free ? Sounds logical to you but not to the majority of us . Are you from a criminal background by any chance ?

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22walter_sobchak(1855 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Lifes2Short,
You are 100% correct. There is no self-respect among those that choose this lifestyle. And, it is most sincerely, their choice. But, the standard response is that they can't raise a family on a minimum wage job. Then, why start a family? This is what happens when you give people money and expect nothing in return. We are talking about bad people; it has nothing to do if jobs are available or not. Our federal govt. has totally destroyed the "family" concept in this country by perpetuating the nanny state. This is not a black vs. white issue; it is good vs. evil.

williamdante,
You may be a white male from San Diego, but I would question your educaton. Blastfimer? Really? It is "blasphemer", someone who speaks irreverently about God or sacred things. I don't think that Brandon was Yahweh. A 16 year old kid that was about to be a father, out on the street, late at night in an area (my old neighborhood) known for reckless gun-play. What, was he out getting his pregnant biach some pickles and ice cream? Listen to what Stan, The Minister of Culture in the Hood, has to say!

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23williamdante(3 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

im from a violent drug abusive backround yes and i was able to change i work 60 hours a week and make sure my family is taken care of and yes i have misunderstood the the contex of the convo but i just feel people think brandon was a bad kid no he wasnt he just had made a few bad decisions realy i belive its unfair and wrong to put oh was he a gun slinger or a drug dealer even if he was with he wasnt he didnt deserve to get killed still a baby at that

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24najjjj(106 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Williamdante, There are many hatemongers on this site, who are best ignored. A bit of advice for you though.........make use of this middle class education you say you are getting. You must first learn to write coherently if there is a point you want to get across. Writing in a stream of consciousness flow..........well, people just are not going to take you seriously and probably won't even read your post. One of the things you wrote is that children are our future. In that you are correct. That is why it is so important to take advantage of your education. Then you will have an intelligent, understandable voice that can be heard above the hate mongers......and hopefully drown them out.

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25Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

williamdante :

There was no mention of Brandon Adkins being a bad kid . He was found dead shot in the back with no gun on him . No mention of drugs either . Now how bad could he have been ? His killer had a gun and used it . Brandon's killer was no doubt a good kid from the hood but I would recommend his being charged with a death penalty specification .

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26reader1(19 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@njjjj...you offered a good comment to Williamdante.First of all you told him the type of comments that he is going to get from the usual suspects, you then gave him advice on how to get his point across and finally you let him know that you understood the point that he was trying to make.Yours is the best comment posted so far because it was positive and constructive. That's what i thought these comments were supposed to be....

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27tkytown(43 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

It all comes back to one thing....FAMILY
not schools, teachers, social programs, the politicians the government, etc. just plain family. Too many children having children, no fathers around to raise them, no religion or discipline in the house, no work ethic, no summer jobs or any jobs, just drugs, alcohol, tattoos, cell phones and rap music. No swimming pools or baseball leagues, parks or any places for kids to go or have fun.

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28AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

How's that VGRIP program working for ya, Mayor? At least we know now what part of the acronym really means: RIP -- Rest in Peace.

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29Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

naj reader

"There are many hatemongers on this site, who are best ignored."

Hatemongers? Are you not SICK and TIRED of the violence? Are you not SICK and TIRED of KIDS getting killed or them killing? You think it's all just a game and just sweep it under the rug? Positive and constructive comments, NO, hard facts about the violence our young kids are doing here and across the USA. Maybe your OK with it but the majority of innocent people are not.
It's not hating it's cold hard facts and the so called leaders of this city need to take a stand and grow some instead of cowering in there offices just ignoring it like you seem to want to do.
I'm sure you think Houser was just misguided and the animals that shot up the YSU party, and on and on. There just misguided, huh? Screw the innocent victims. Get real.

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30walter_sobchak(1855 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Lifes2Short

AMEN! There is nothing wrong with righteous indignation and outrage. How many more generations of Americans are going to be be doomed by this welfare state we perpetuate in this country? Keep paying for children having children though! Brandon may not have been armed when found but he obviously knew how to use his gun. Time to start drug testing welfare recipients and making it a condition for eligibility.

williamdante,
Listen to some great advice I received years ago. If you want to succeed in this country, you must have a command of the the language, both spoken and written. If not, you will be doomed to stay in the ghetto you were raised in, be it the black, Latino, Italian, Greek, Irish, etc. ghetto.

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31piak(508 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

There are choices in life. Some make good ones; others make bad ones. A life of settling "problems" with violence is a bad choice.

I said before and I'll say again. These are terrorists running around on the South Side. They need rooted out.

The old saying was: There ain't no crime solver like a .38 revolver. Let's update it: Keep crime static with a Glock automatic.

The "justice" system is rigged agains the "good guys". The courts are a revolving door. When are people going to literally rise up and demand this crap stops?

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32reader1(19 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@Life...never said i was not SICK and TIRED OF ALL THE VIOLENCE but there comes a time when words need to be put into action. I stated that a good comment was made because it was positive and constructive which it was. Instead of Njjjj putting Williamdante down for the way he tried to express himself he gave him advice on how to communicate better. If you cannot communicate effectively to get your point across SOME PEOPLE will not take you seriously as some of the comments HAVE SHOWN. As far as Hatemongers go Hate the Violence and not ALL the people.I know that there are some good people on the SOUTHSIDE who are honest, decent, loving and hard working. That is being positive and constructive.

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

reader1 :

"I know that there are some good people on the SOUTHSIDE who are honest, decent, loving and hard working."

So we should tolerate the criminals and not bother to clean house on the SouthSide criminal culture, RIGHT ?

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34Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

reader

"@Life...never said i was not SICK and TIRED OF ALL THE VIOLENCE but there comes a time when words need to be put into action."

Words like in what the useless mayor or useless police chief said after the Angelina murder and with all the violence? And now that summer is here, oh boy! Words? The leaders of Youngstown need to step it up and stand up to the animals that roam this city instead of sweeping it under the rug. Neighborhood block watches are a great start but you have to snitch which is a HUGE no-no on the streets. There is nothing positive or constructive in a report about a 16 year old murdered on a city street. And no one said their wasn't good people. But it seems that the animals are the majority in that war zone and that's pitiful.

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35Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Does the mayor consider a young boy gunned down from the back and killed offensive ? I hear no comments and see no action by the mayor over this latest killing .

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36commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

drews&dante, you both need to go back to school and learn English and Spelling!!! What a shame to read you blogs and YOUR educated??

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37Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

What a shame,..
Where first and foremost condolences go out to the victims family. To include this loss of life is a tragedy and mind you yet another tragedy that's of no joy nor good news in the least.So before we allow baseless innuendo and assail inaccurate caricature to have baseless and unsubstantiated comments spiral aimlessly out of control here.

COME ON PEOPLE:

Best I know not a single one of us know the motive, specific reason nor who fired the shoots. Nor even if this young victim was in anyway at fault or even intentionally targeted. Be it he been struck as result of verbal disagreement, bad aim, or justifiable or unjustifiable retaliation for hostile act,.. we don't know ANY of that.

Yet where not to cast blame nor be in anyway insensitive about yet another tragedy. To include where not to allege nor contend this young victim ever stole anything from anybody nor did anything criminal to anyone.

However, in trying to figure this out in a manner of looking at all plausible probabilities. Unfortunately we all know the social climate of youth violence,.. and specifically of gang affiliation nature.

BEYOND INSENSITIVE SPECULATION:

Where given what's being reported this can tend to resemble some form of being associated with a vendetta. Be it steeped in some form of materialism or friend, family or aligned rival matter. Which isn't and still wouldn't be conclusive to say that this victim deserved to be accosted,... lets respect that.

However, granted from the social networking site that poster Stan, shared discovered insight Where in regards to postured review in the initial story,.. http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/jun/19...

Via that photo the youngman was postured as having depicted he'd been led astray before his demise. As such affiliations of bearing symbolic accord with or against such factions aren't friendly nor healthy to even feign in gesture,.. and that goes far beyond just this victim.

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38Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

A PITCH TO THE COLLECTIVE POINT:

For this youngman to had been so young. We can only had wished far better for him in an array of supportive settings and circumstances. From the accounts given as the sounds of multiple shots having been fired. Signifies a likelihood that this victim very well may have been intentionally targeted by whomever shot him.

To have had previously developed a history of infractions against the ordinance of law. In and of itself doesn't mean this youngster was still of that mindset or activity. Where if not he could have been vindictively targeted by those, whom he once assumed were genuine friends that still are of intentional lawlessness,.. they're to be judiciously probed.

If not the conscious of those whoever saw, heard and or physically had direct connection with the shooter[s] and or the gunfire Would have been speaking with someone as to assist in putting what happened together.

Which as best we know via no one coming forth yet. It's not known if the victim was even alone or even if there was an exchange of gunfire. Hence with the sound of only four shots fired and one victim. The exchange of gunfire is possible but not very likely,..

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39Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

HERE'S TO BUILDING A CASE:

What we do know with certainty there is a fatality. And there are also individuals somewhere that saw, heard and even know what happened, why with such specifics. They even descriptively if not even by formal or street name know who did this. Where along with wishing this youngster wasn't slain over nonsense. The focus now includes stemming any sort of rolling retaliation between whomever that will seek to produce more chaos and casualties,..

What can be discovered even without a verbal witness:

Where there is a very plausible likelihood the victim was struck elsewhere. And in pursuit of aid or refuge of protective shelter from being fired upon. He could have fallen from anything from shock, to loss of oxygen, massive internal hemorrhage from stricken organ failure.

To include depending on a variety of specifics just because there were no shell casings found near the victim, Doesn't mean that he wasn't struck in that central or specific vicinity where he was found either. Ground forensics, samplings of fabric from his clothing and cutaneous tissue along with intrinsic autopsy results will provide insight on an assortment of things.

Some of those things that can and will be determined. Is if he ran to the location where he fell. There would be various sampling signs that would yield and approximation from what direction and how far he went. Where site wound, organ examination and a number of other things will medically determine a host of other things

TO CONCLUDE:

With no inside information in regards to this crime afforded to any of us. I'm quiet confident that the positive identification of the shooter and or shooters will become discovered / known in due time. The call within the community is to urge those who do know. To cooperate and others to keep their ears open to be able to possibly contribute. In the process of allowing and aiding the investigative sciences to be swiftly and meticulously acted upon to crack this case.

No matter how they're planned nor invoked via way of astute pathology and due diligence of investigators. In way of sciences and technique there's no such thing as the perfect crime. So now the family and those of concern. Will have to be patient and cooperative in awaiting word on capture.

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40Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@ Stan & BELLAMY1 & redvert & Lifes2Short,..

I ask,..

That for the decency of rendering respect of the deceased and for his surviving family and friends. Let's not insensitively be so irresponsible as to try transforming this respectful reflection of remembrance, reasoning and resolve. To be antagonizing efforts of not aiding but trying to angle this into any political football

Unfortunately for an array of reasoning's a heavily tasked city mayor. Can't and isn't able nor expected to always make a public comment on every casualty that occurs in their city or region. See to keep this in proper perspective here. Where not to in anyway belittle nor diminish the factuality of this current casualty.

Unfortunately there were just a comparably tragic spate of teen deaths in automobile accidents. For which there was no comment rendered about those and they were equally as tragic in result,.. no sensible soul can forget any of them.

Where unlike you { Stan } I myself don't have the time to share comment or perspective on every incident or occurrence that happens. However, it doesn't mean I don't care nor that there's any prioritization based upon any of age, gender race, where the incident / fatality occurred, nor where in the region the victim or culprit resided.

Where with the sensible understanding that mayor is a tasked position. You might realize with an array of current and broad scope things involving city and state matters going on, To include various federal matters that either can, will and are adversely affecting the area,.. seriously and not insensitively.

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41Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

TO CONCLUDE:

Hence I reiterate that without shirking, diminishing nor in anyway infringing upon the death ore memory of this youngman.

I ask have any of you individually and or collectively. Not thought that the cities mayor is engrossed in formally and informally leveraging and corresponding on those aforementioned matters?,.. No?

So are either of you insinuating and or expecting the manner of casualty to be a proverbial barometric deciding factor? Or are you possibly implying that race and or gender should take preference as some form of precedence,.. just what are you trying to infer and what are you as a fulcrum of fault?

See not only has the mayor tasked with intricacies of various ongoing matters of business expansions and petitioned for VGRIP to again actively assist in the area. There's also a quiet expansive criminal probe in regards to corruption of governance in the area,.. those aren't excuses they're facts.

So see I ask for you to share your chosen impetus indiscriminately on such broad scope. Because all those young people where unfortunate fatalities, they were in the same approximate age group and even regional residents. Personally I grieve for all those youth and their families without bias,.. again I'm not your mayor and even I don't have time to always render public comment.

So where presuming the mayor of Youngstown and those within an array regional representatives in those region's of Canfield, Boardman and Warren all feel the same way,..

So with that deference of indifference, now leaves the question of,..

Just what is it about this incident, are any of you intimating that the Mayor reserving comment. Is somehow and or in anyway supposed to be hailed, depicted and or implied as non caring, insensitive and or make him culpable for what happened?,...

Where if you're going to imply mayoral fault to the victims family and community residents. At least have the decency to tell them how you proclaim the mayor or anyone else is in anyway complicit in this,..or at least have the decency to refrain as to not burden them in their reflective time of grief.

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42YtownParent(276 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Once upon a time, in a land far far away called America, there lived a people, long since extinct, who believed the sins of one of them, were the sins of them all.

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43ANTIYOUNGSTOWN(234 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Wow Nunya, talk about a buzzkill. Your posts are enough to end a discussion and put someone to...............zzzzzzzzzzzzz lol!

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44Bplus(103 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@reader1...It cracks me up that you applaud the effort of njjj trying to help somebody get their point across, however, I think it is you that needs the English lesson. You constantly PUT WORDS IN CAPS when you are making a "climaxing" point in a sentence of ten words. Also, your punctuation is AWFUL (see what I did there?), your grammar could use some tweaking, and 99% of your points are invalid. I try to read a lot of the peoples' opinions on here, and I have to say, most of your comments are fickle, asinine, and downright stupid at times (forgive me for being so brash, I just couldn't think of another word that would fit correctly). Run with this "It's hard to tell when a man is ignorant until they open their mouth"...or laptop. :) love you

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