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Wis. Supreme Court allows union law to take effect



Published: Wed, June 15, 2011 @ 12:31 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP

A divided Wisconsin Supreme Court handed Republican Gov. Scott Walker a major victory Tuesday, ruling that a polarizing union law that strips most public employees of their collective bargaining rights could take effect.

In a 4-3 decision that included a blistering dissent, the court ruled that Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi overstepped her authority when she declared the law void.

She sided with a lawsuit that claimed Republicans didn't provide proper public notice of a meeting that helped get the original legislation approved.


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1charms(228 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Ya, Baby! Wisconsin first, Ohio next!

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2UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The greedy selfish Ohio public employee unions are next - SB5 will stand!

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3SAVEOURCOUNTRY(467 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Next will be the repeal of child labor laws! back to the 1890"s we go!

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4cathylukasko(116 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Way to go Wisconsin! The American public WINS this battle! Only 12% of Americans are in unions and the taxpayers should NOT be funding the public sector union for their healthcare and benefits for a higher percentage than what taxpayers receive.

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5genius_girl(20 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

BLAH BLAH BLAH...DON'T YOU THINK IT'S TIME YOU CAME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW!!!

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6Attis(861 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"All that harms labor is treason to America". Honest Abe was right, and the traitors are wrong. Abraham Lincoln must be rolling in his grave, while Joe McCarthy is smiling in his. A victory for the billionaires is a defeat for America.

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7hmm(179 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"Union - U - NEVER." DO NOT. Place a STATE public employee with a LOCAL. Public employee and make a greedy selfish comment you obviously. Don't know facts tell me how much I pay into heath care. ( first clue NOT zero) how much do I pay into retirement. ( AGAIN not zero also remember we don't receive S.S. nor disability ) BTW. I also work a private job. And. Pay into S.S. which I'll. Never see. SO YOUR WELCOME. How many concessions have STATE employees made for the benefit of the state budget. ( to start how about 2 weeks mandatory unpaid leave to start. AND thats EVERY STATE employee what have YOU given up for the state budget were you work?). how many departments have been layed off . Yes I take offense. When people say greedy and selfish. Because. That shows how ignorant they truly are. You talk about THE PEOPLE winning. sign the petition. And TRULY let the PEOPLE. Decide at THE POLLS -- I personally think those who won't / refuse to sign to put SB5 on the ballot. AREN'T for the people and are afraid of allowing the citizens of Ohio to decide as our forefathers have intended....remember what Ohio s state motto is " UNI ONFfOREVER" talk about an oximoron. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE that's all that being asked

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8Woody(451 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

hmm,

please tell me you are not a English Teacher.

I think you need to to learn the difference between a period and a comma.

And I don't know what the Ohio State Motto has to do with it, "With God All Things Are Possible" I mean unless of course you are referring to your Union bosses as God.

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9JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

hmm,

Your a perfect example of why school teachers need to be evaluated for effectiveness - in your case, english and grammar.

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10jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Look at the posts above from those who are against limiting union power, one is incoherent (hmm), one sounds like a little child (saveourcountry, no one is going to repeal child labor laws), and only one, Attis, is somewhat well thought out with some real thought behind it. I would respectfully comment to Attis the labor that Mr. Lincoln (a Republican) was referring to are the people who toil, not the organized labor monster than exists today for the benefit of the Democrats, with class envy as their weapon of choice. A good arguement can be made that organized labor hurts the worker. Just take a drive down to Youngstown Sheet and Tube and ask the workers there what they think. And don't bad mouth billionaires. They create the jobs that put people to work. We need more billionaires.

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11mrblue(968 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The voters in Ohio will decide this issue. Vote Yes or vote No--------but VOTE.

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12AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I just wish Gov. kasich would enact this law with his own pay and those employees who are non union. Show me Mr Kasich what it will do for the funding of our state. There are many public employees that are nonunion. Gov. Kasich can start enacting this law now if he wanted to. If it was really all about saving money, then start saving OHIO now.

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13streetsmartt(127 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

hmm,

Don't hear people saying public employees are greedy and selfish as much as lazy. Of course, I guess all 3 go together.

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14Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Most government workers don't care about the plight of the taxpayers .

http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativem...

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15SAVEOURCOUNTRY(467 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Everyone ASSUMEs the comments made by "Hmm" are from a school teacher. Hopefully, every one knows what happens when you ASSUME. You make a "donkey out of Kascik". Hmm could easily be the janitor that cleans the court house. They are public employees too. They are effected just as much. The numbers of 350,000 are only teachers, police and fire. They do not count the custodians, cleaning ladies, those working in the courts, city employees that cut grass in the summer. The figure effected negatively by SB5 is over a million workers in Ohio. Would you vote to cut a family members salary that was raising a family of their own?

JETHEAD11... Wisconsin and Vermont have introduced legistlation to repeal child labor laws so high school students can close in places like fastfood. Which means students will work to 1 or 2 am weeknights and have to get up for school at 6am. Thus they will fall asleep in my class which I am 100% accountable for them learning. End result business gets what they want and I get fired because 'Johnny' was to tired to learn and failed all his classes.

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16JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SOC,
Nobody assumed that "Hmm" was a school teacher.
My point particularly infers that "Hmm" had very poor English teachers - this person completely butchered grammar.

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17fattynskinny(195 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

didn't we the people already pass this legislation. why in the hell do we need to do it again!

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18jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

In Wisconsin, the current law allowed those under 16 to work up to 24 hours a week. The new proposal limits them to 18 hours a week during a school week, and up to 40 hours when school is not in session. The Republican proposal is more restrictive than the old law, and exceeds federal standards. For 16 and 17 year olds, the law is in line with federal child labor guidelines. The proposal does NOT allow students to work beyond 8:00pm most times, and never beyond 9:00pm. My source is the actual proposal, available online, not a union interpretation of it.

I have not looked into the VT law yet, but VT is a very liberal state. So if the law changes there, you can't blame Republicans for that. VT just passed a single payer health care bill, so I think the Dems are in charge up there.

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19JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SOC, where are you getting over a million workers affected by SB5?

- "Senate Bill 5 will affect 42,000 state workers, 19,500 higher-education employees and about 298,000 employees of local governments such as counties, municipalities, townships and school districts."

- "That totals 359,500 employees, a mere 6.5 percent of Ohio's workforce of 5.5 million "

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/...

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20streetsmartt(127 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

GO... GO... GO... JME!

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21SAVEOURCOUNTRY(467 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

JME,
SHort memory. Post nine is yours and you say Hmm is a school teacher. This make anything you say not stand since either your memory is bad or you are a lie.
There are nearly 8000 public workers in Mahoning county alone. We are one of the smaller counties. Thus, if you figure on that alone its 704,000. However the bigger cities is the state, their counties average 25000 workers (public). The figure comes from a Toledo newspaper.

JETHEAD11 If that is what Kasick was after by placing all public employees under one health care plan to lower costs, I would be 1000% behind it. SB5 is to break the back of union so big business owns us all...the government included

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22JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SOC, please read alittle slower:

"Your a perfect example of why school teachers need to be evaluated for effectiveness "

Where does it say that Hmm is a school teacher? Clearly he/she was educated by a poor teacher judging by grammar.

If your a teacher, I hope it doesn't involve comprehension skills.

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23jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SB5 is made to take away the tremendous cost to the taxpayer that comes with unions by giving control back to those who need to balance the public's budget. Big corporations are not involved in this. Right now, the unions are breaking OUR backs and bank accounts. The union's back needs to be broken, but this law is far from doing that. In Georgia, where I live, unions are not even part of the picture. We've broken their backs and buried the carcass. And we have, at least in the Atlanta area, one of highest standards of living in the country. Lack of unions is a big reason why. North Dakota has a 3% unemployment rate and is right to work. Lots more examples.

The most prosperous states in the U.S. are states that are pro-business and anti-big labor. Right to work states have a higher average income than forced unionism states, so give me big business anyday. Big business means money and jobs, and I like that.

Organized labor has already broken the back of the Mahoning Valley, along with the string of corrupt Democrats you all elect to office. You should praise John Kasick for trying to change things. One thing that will save our country is to limit the influence and power of labor unions.

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24JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SOC, I hope your not a geography teacher either. Based on population (and the number of public sector employees is proportional to the population), Mahoning County is not even close to one of the smallest counties in Ohio - just by quick glance, looks like 10th largest out of 88 counties.

In fact, in 2010 almost half of all Ohio counties had a population less than 50,000. Mahoning County's popution was 238,823 - maybe a color-coded picture will help:

http://www.development.ohio.gov/resea...

Do you just make stuff up?

Here's another source for the number effected by SB5, even from the Toledo Blade:

"As it passed the Senate, the bill would prohibit all of the roughly 350,000 public employees in Ohio from striking, limit talks to wages and terms and conditions of employment, allow government to implement a single health-care plan for all its workers, and require those workers to pay at least 15 percent of the cost of those premiums."

http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2011...

"State and local governments would have saved an estimated $1.3 billion in 2010 "

"The bill seeks to significantly curtail collective bargaining power for more than 350,000 state and local public workers"

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/...

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25jrolley325(787 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

JME......before you decide to call anyone out on grammar, you should probably learn the difference between "your" and "you're"

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26JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

jrolly, read the Hmm post - it's night and day.
As usual, it's obvious that you have no facts to offer into the discussion; you are (lol) reaching with pettiness.

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27jrolley325(787 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

i choose not to offer anything to the discussion because its the same old garbage that gets rehashed every single time. but if you want to call people out on grammer, you sure as hell better be able to make sure your posts are free of errors.

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28jupiter(116 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

the future: senate bill-5 will be voted down...get over yourselves already. OR senate bill 5 will be enacted...and charms, paulparks,etc. WILL STILL be the same sad sacks that they are now.
Guys, face it...YOU HAVE LOST before it even started. A new day IS DAWNING, however...one where ineffectual, impotent losers such as yourself will be recognized as the pawns you really are. You think Tom Humphries cares about you? You think good guv'nor john has your interests at heart? PUH-LEEZ...
It's ok...we understand...you are trying your best with what little intellect that you may innately possess. and for that you should be applauded...but at the end of the day your delusions must be shown the harsh light of logic. And the logic shows that YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO...
...now stop bashing public employees and sit down on the couch. All your favorite shows are on. You know, "Charms," ALL those cop shows that you insist on watching? Because public employees are bad. And they must be punished.

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29JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

aaahh, jrolly, don't be such a hypocrite, you've made a number of posting errors yourself.
Speaking of rehashing the same old, why did you make the teabagger post when the NC cope got killed?
Another form of hypocrisy. You sure as hell better not make a statement that contridicts a previous one, don't be such an arse.

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30AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

From above,
""- "That totals 359,500 employees, a mere 6.5 percent of Ohio's workforce of 5.5 million ""

For all those that say public employees work for the taxpayer. That's 5.1 million bosses a teacher/police/fire/secretary has.

Some say public workers cry and whine a lot. Sounds to me 5.1 million private sector workers are the ones whining. In order for 1.3 billion to be saved from sb5, thats about $3,600 from each public taxpayer. I don't think that taking $3,600 from each public worker will save Ohio. But sb5ers say we must take away bargaining rights to do so. Its all about union busting and kasich power.

SB5 needs voted down............

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