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Ohioans will vote on SB 5 this fall



Published: Fri, July 22, 2011 @ 12:09 a.m.

915,456 signatures OK’d for ballot issue on bargaining bill

By Marc Kovac

news@vindy.com

COLUMBUS

It’s official: Senate Bill 5 is headed to the November ballot, giving Ohio voters the final say on the controversial collective-bargaining package that drew thousands of protesters to the Statehouse earlier this year.

County elections boards verified and Secretary of State Jon Husted certified 915,456 signatures from about 1.3 million submitted on petitions by opponents of the new law.

The results, announced by Husted’s office Thursday, were nearly four times the number needed to qualify for the general election.

Cuyahoga and Franklin counties topped the state in valid signatures submitted, with 131,625 and 104,301, respectively. Summit County had the fifth-highest signature total, with 42,362. Mahoning County was No. 7, with 31,251, followed by Stark County with 29,235.

The Ohio Ballot Board will meet next month to finalize the Senate Bill 5 language to be presented to voters.

It’s the second issue set for the November ballot. Voters also will decide on a lawmaker-driven constitutional amendment that would raise the cutoff age for Ohioans wanting to assume judicial seats.

And county elections boards and Husted’s office are reviewing signatures on a possible third issue, a tea party-backed drive to block federal health-care mandates from taking effect.

Senate Bill 5 would place limits on collective bargaining, changing the way more than 350,000 public workers have negotiated contract terms for nearly three decades. The new law also prohibits strikes and enables state and local governments and schools to base employee pay decisions on performance.

Proponents say the changes will help public offices better control costs.

“Ohio voters now have a choice to make,” Jason Mauk, spokesman for Building a Better Ohio, the group that will campaign for Senate Bill 5, said. “We can keep the unfair, unsustainable policies that are bankrupting our communities, or we can change direction and give them the tools they need to create jobs and get spending under control. It’s that simple.”

Opponents counter that SB 5 is a politically motivated attack by Republicans on unions that will cut the ranks of teachers, police officers, firefighters and other public servants.

“This is not just a referendum on a bad bill,” said Ohio AFL-CIO President Tim Burga during a roundtable discussion with labor and other groups Thursday in Columbus. “And this is a bad bill — an unprovoked attack on working families and the middle class. But this is a referendum on the vision of the state of Ohio and what we want this state to look like and what we want this state to be.”

Kasich signed SB 5 into law in late March, but the bill is on hold pending the outcome of the November election.


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1VindyPost(436 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

NOvember...

*VOTE NO sb5.

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NOvember...

*VOTE NO sb5.

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2AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Sorry Kasick,

Ohioians Will Vote No on SB5 This Fall.

Bye-Bye SB5!

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3cathylukasko(116 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Taxpayers will make the FINAL decision and will NOT to pay for the EXCESS fringe benefits of public sector employees. Education has been ongoing and Ohioans now see both sides . . . . .

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4AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The union-bought-and-paid-for group "We are Ohio" will learn in November what their sister group "We are Wisconsin" has learned: "We the People" have tired of your childish tantrums.

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5YoOhM47(6 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Let's see...Police Officer's already pay 10% of their salary to their pensions (by law)--compared to the private sector who only pay 6.7%. They pay close to $100.00 a month for a copay on their insurance--that's just the payroll deduction. Let's not discuss the copay office visits, copay emergency room visits, $25.00 copay on prescriptions, Eyecare that only gives them $100 off on a pair of glasses. Of course that is only if you don't have a separate coupon for a higher savings from the copany itself--like lenscrafter's 50% off deal they advertise. Can't use both. For all this a police Officer puts his life on the line every day for you. Next time you need a Police Officer, don't forget to tell him (and his family) that you don't think his life is worth the EXCESS fringe benefits of the public sector employee.

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6Jennyw(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The above poster is also posting false information.

The latest poll says 54 percent want to repeal and 32 percent are for SB5. 54 percent is not 2/3. When asked a different way, the for SB5 group is higher than the against.

http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/a...

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7Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I only have 1 vote and it will be NO

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8ConservativeDude(36 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

We need to think about what is in our wallets. It is less and less. Public employees enjoy better benefits than those in the private sector, at taxpayer expense.

The problem is the 50% of us who pay taxes all get increases BUT the public service folks enjoy the benefit of tax increase through the back door, with more benefits.

Folks, the taxpayers are DONE. Don't bother to try to pass levies, it won't happen. Others will suffer because of the Union mentality and greed.

Ask yourself what the Unions do for you that you couldn't do for yourself. The taxpayers decide how much money you get, not the Union. Why not keep that $100 a month, Union dues, in your pocket. Just sayin...

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

HIGHER TAXATION IS ALWAYS GOOD !

Vote no on SB5 and contribute more of your less and less .

http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativem...

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10walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

YoOhM47,
There is a difference. The public workers pay into a PENSION plan that has hard assets, that is invested and will grow at market rates while Social security is a supplement to the workers life savings to take care of themselves at old age. And, SS premiums are used to pay current recipeints with the excess thrown into a black hole called the US Treasury. These public pension payments are far higher than SS payments and are paid out based on a fixed time of service while SS is achieved by working 40 quarters and reaching a retirement age of 62, 65, 67, etc.

But, hey, this is good. The public will have its say in November. This is democracy in action. One person, one vote, unless the Democratic party and union thugs raise the dead like when JFK won in 1960. I'm sure that won't happen in the democratic strongholds of Youngstown and Cleveland.

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11SAVEOURCOUNTRY(470 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

You are a manager of a company that employes 100 individuals. Only 50 go to work on a regular basis. The other 50 show up when they feel like and you cannot fire them. In order for you to meet the required production levels to earn your "Merit" pay, you need at least 85% attendance daily from all employees. Think you'll get your 'Merit' raise this year or any other year?

This is just one aspect of SB5 that will effect education negatively in the state of Ohio. Teachers can't 'fire' students that don't show up, yet we are accountable for each one. School districts won't drop them because of funding issues.

Another issue is class size. Under collective bargaining, it was on the table. SB5 takes that away and allows districts to put as many kids in a class as the front office wants. Easily we can see 40+ kids in a class. Achievement levels WILL drop no questions asked. Yet, they teacher will be accountable for that as well. It's the teachers fault, never the parent and/or student. Judges and politicians need to do the right thing, hold parents accountable to the same level they want to hold teachers accountable.

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12TB(1167 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"We need to think about what is in our wallets. It is less and less. Public employees enjoy better benefits than those in the private sector, at taxpayer expense.

The problem is the 50% of us who pay taxes all get increases BUT the public service folks enjoy the benefit of tax increase through the back door, with more benefits."

The assumption and mischaracterization is that the average taxpayer assumes the burden. This should not be so. If Ohio collected the taxes that were due, and all paid their share as they are supposed to, then it wouldn't mean higher taxes fo the average citizen.

What you fellow members of the middle class are missing is that by voting to uphold SB5, you are further damaging the middle class. Watch those empty storefronts and vacant houses multiply. Watch more of those local businesses shutter because the incomes they used to rely upon have evaporated. Watch the laid of health care workers added to the government dole, etc.

The burden of taxes in this state and country need not be borne upon the backs of its middle class. Some of you argue against your own best interest. It's mind boggling.

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13taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm only posting this next part on here since VINDY FOUND THE NEED TO TAKE OFF THE MOST COMMENTED ON section on here.

Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.

So why can't this work for ALL states?

VINDY: YOU NEED TO PUT THE MOST COMMENTED SECTION BACK ON THE PAGE

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14AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Taxpayer,

I agree, VINDY should put the most commented/popular section back up.

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15TB(1167 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"If you have it soooo bad with your state job, then quit and join the MAJORITY of us who don't work for the state. In the meantime, it is WE who pay your salary. "

Why would you want your fellow citizens to do worse than they are now? I can't wrap my mind around this. For decades, the private sector ran wild while public service was relatively stagnant.

The private sector gambled away its money and jobs, and now public sector jobs (which are middle class jobs) are being seen as some sort of well paid employment.

The shame is that, using your line of thinking, we should all be paupers.

Ask yourself this...what happened to all that tax money you've paid? Follow the money and you won't find it in employee pockets. Take a trip to NYC and overseas to see it.

Scapegoating is a shame. Keep arguing for people who are multimillionaires and multibillionaires while you live here in the Valley.

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