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Nonresidents commit most serious crimes in Boardman

Story: Most people arrested for violent crimes are from outside the township

Story: Officers never know which Boardman they'll encounter

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Published: Sun, July 17, 2011 @ 12:01 a.m.

RELATED: Riding with Boardman police reveals a cross-section of crime

  Boardman P.D. On Patrol

Boardman Police officers say they spend time and resources on crimes committed by individuals who are not residents of Boardman.

Boardman Police officers say they spend time and resources on crimes committed by individuals who are not residents of Boardman.

By Ashley Luthern

aluthern@vindy.com

BOARDMAN

It’s a typical night for Boardman Township police.

Officers stop a man who circled the block where a theft was reported 20 minutes earlier. They find marijuana and an empty gun holster in the car. The man is issued a citation for drug possession and fails a field sobriety test by a slight margin.

The officer allows him to call for a ride to his listed residence on Nelson Avenue in Youngstown, but after trying one phone number, the man simply says, “Take me to jail.”

He’s not the only person from outside the township arrested that day.

Earlier, police arrested a Struthers woman on a warrant for probation violation and a Youngstown man for domestic violence at Walmart.

Crime in Boardman is a topic taking on more significance as township residents prepare to cast ballots Aug. 2 to decide the fate of a 3.85-mill, five-year additional police levy. The levy would generate about $3.8 million annually for the police department, which has a $7.1 million budget for 2011.

Levy materials argue that more police are needed to keep criminals out of Boardman — and as a Vindicator investigation shows, the majority of people arrested for violent crimes are from outside the township.

The Vindicator specifically tracked adult arrests from May 2009 through May 2011 for violent crime, ranging from aggravated menacing to attempted murder, and property crimes, such as burglary and robbery, noting where the offense occurred and where the suspect resided.

Much of the violent crime reported in Boardman is near the intersections of U.S. Route 224 and Market Street near the Southern Park Mall as well as commercial areas near Interstate 680. Crime also occurs more often north of Route 224.

From May 2009 through May 2010, Boardman police arrested 118 people for those types of crimes. Of the 118 arrested, 38 were township residents and 80 lived outside of the township — 54 of them listing a Youngstown address.

From June 2010 through May 2011, there were 115 arrests for violent or property crimes. The split between township and nontownship residents arrested was more even, with 56 listing a Boardman address. Of the remaining 59 nontownship arrests, 33 gave police a Youngstown address.

Police Chief Jack Nichols said the township has gathering places, such as bars, and restaurants, and stores that provide opportunities for crime.

“Of course, we border the South Side of Youngstown and I don’t have to tell you that the South Side of Youngstown is a pretty rough place, and that’s where we try to draw the line and hold crime at bay as best we can,” said Nichols.

Youngstown Police Chief Jimmy Hughes said it is not uncommon for YPD to follow suspects into Boardman to make arrests and vice versa.

“We have a good working relationship. We share resources and assist each other,” Hughes said of his department and BPD.

Ralph Meacham lives in the northern part of the township known collectively as The Glen, and said from his experience, the area isn’t any worse than other sections of Boardman.

“There is some migration coming across as some of the housing is deteriorating in certain parts of the region, and sometimes that brings problems with it,” said Meacham, who is president of the North Boardman Block Watch.

Other township residents have said that violent crime is centered around a few incidences, pointing to a home on Mill Creek Boulevard that was the scene of a shooting in April 2010. Casimirio Ellis of Youngstown was charged with attempted murder in connection with the shooting of Alynn Grant of Youngstown, who was later charged with drug trafficking, at the residence.

“It only takes a few individuals to create havoc in a community. ...We need more policemen on the road. I know that’s a real simplistic answer, but that’s the only way I can answer,” said Trustee Larry Moliterno.

The trustees have said if voters approve the police levy, 10 patrolmen would be hired over the next two years boosting staffing to 57 sworn officers.

But increasing officers to lower crime isn’t as clear-cut as it appears, says Larry J. Siegel, a professor of criminal justice and criminology at the University of Massachusetts, Lowell.

“Nobody’s done the definitive study about it,” said Siegel, who has authored 15 books about justice topics.

“Crime rates can go up when you see more cops. People think maybe I’ll report crimes because things will get a response,” he said, adding that more police on the road means they are more likely to see crimes in progress.

Another problem with adding more officers is that instead of curbing crime, it displaces it.

“If you were a criminal ... and saw a cop on a corner, would you continue to commit crime on that corner? You’re not stupid. You’d go some other place,” he said.

“Then people will say since the cop has been here crime has gone down. Once you take the crime away and keep the cops, people might say it’s a waste of money. If you pull [cops] out, criminals say, ‘Wow, it’s safe to go back in the water.’ It’s really tricky,” Siegel said.

The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys municipal and township police departments every few years. In 2007, it found that departments employed an average 2.3 full-time officers per 1,000 residents. Another ratio often cited seems to be one officer per 1,000 residents.

Boardman, one of Ohio’s largest urban townships with a population of 40,889, has a ratio of about 1.1 officers per 1,000 residents.

However, using ratios could be difficult because the township’s daytime population swells from 40,000 to 100,000, according to traffic studies.

Asked if there’s an average ratio for number of police officers to population, Siegel said: “To be perfectly honest, there’s no exact ratio. It depends on the city, with more crime you have more cops.”

The Boardman Police Department has 47 sworn officers with salaries ranging from about $33,000 to $90,000 annually.

Although adding police officers “causes crime to be displaced or be temporarily disrupted, the social factors that create gangs and drugs don’t go away,” Siegel said.

Nichols said that drugs, particularly heroin, are a large problem for the township. He estimates that 80 percent of retail theft is related to drugs as people steal merchandise to trade for drugs or cash to buy drugs.

“The same people that we catch committing retail theft are the house burglars and robbers. There’s just less risk for them to commit their crime at retail theft level than burglary level,” Nichols said, adding his department’s policy is to “arrest as many as you can for as much as you can as often as you can.”

Nichols said the department divides the township into four districts, but that some nights, officers don’t spend much time in their districts.

“People say the best battle plan only survives the first shot, and after that, it falls apart,” he said. “That’s like with us. We get busy and you gotta go where you have to go.”


Comments

1USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Ummmmm, DUH! Not even rats sleep where they poop! How could the scum from Youngstown rob other scum in Youngstown? You can't steal what isn't there! Maybe they should run around stealing pools from front yards and sell them to someone online. The nicer the homes the nicer the stuff in the homes. I'm waiting for the scum of the south side to migrate into Boardman like the north side migrated to Liberty and the west side is migrating to Austintown. The welfare recipients of Youngstown can't ruin homes and neighborhoods that are already ruined! Such a shame!

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2TheTruthToday(1 comment)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Boardman Police Officer shifts should be limited to the hours of 2pm -7am. Probability of catching these lazy, no good, drug dealing, stealing, lazy, the government owns me everything, hustling "suspects" will be much higher.

The profile goes like this..... i like loud rap music, i got terrible tattoos, cornrows, maybe some ice, im lazy, i got no gas, a bunch of kids, no job, a white tee, some rims on my car, a gold chain, no bank account, some cash in a rubber band, baby need diapers, but i need new clothes, no education, my homey just got shot, but "your tax money pays for my behavior" .

Its not that hard to profile.

We all know they dont get up until about 2 pm. So why dont we allocate our resources better????

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3USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

TheTruthToday, you're spot on. Except you forgot about the $25,000 rims on a $500 car with a $3500 car stereo. They don't have insurance or a license and will hit YOU if they think you have insurance so they can go get pain pills from the ER for whiplash and sell them to kids at the local bars.

Carlstaatz, the rats are running from the dump!

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4whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

boardman is nothing but a southside slum put a fence around it.

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5Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The picture says it all.

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6Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

"Officers stop a man who circled the block where a theft was reported 20 minutes earlier. They find marijuana and an empty gun holster in the car. The man is issued a citation for drug possession and fails a field sobriety test by a slight margin."

Boardman needs to loosen up and be more tolerant of the culture . . . ..

http://i33.tinypic.com/2m6vdhz.jpg

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7taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Of course the scare tactics are coming to try and get Boardman residents to vote in the levy Aug. 2. I hope people aren't that naive. The last one passed in order to hire more police, and that didn't happen. And with all I read about the very high salaries of the Boardman police that explains it. If you read the blotter, most of the problem seems to be theft at the stores. Stop the bus from coming there or have stores pay more for the ongoing use of the police.

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8DwightK(1256 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Hopefully the new Youngstown administration keeps up the demolition plan that Jay Williams started. Eventually the thugs and gangstas won't have places to live on the South and East sides.

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9twentyonetwelve(98 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

If you live north of 224. You are doomed in the next ten years.

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10twentyonetwelve(98 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The Lemans area off Shields is a great example. 10, 15 years ago that was a really nice place. Drive through it today! Applewood, too. The section 8 area in back is horrible. How long until that area just spills over.

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11apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

More cops won't keep out the criminals. But, the real question is why do we need to pay 90,000 a year average for cops when peer communities pay far less? If salaries and benefits were in line with reality in Boardman, then the township coffers wouldn't be in the dire mess that they are now. The trustees have failed the taxpayers and now they want us to pay more. Higher taxes will only make for more empty housing as those who can't afford to stay in Boardman move out. Aren't there enough empty houses now?

The employees of Boardman need to take at least 10% cuts and enable the township to take the saved money for manpower NOT put it on the backs of taxpayers facing higher medical costs, less pensions, and many on fixed incomes who simply can't afford another hike in their property taxes.

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12apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

As for serious crime, Boardmans crime is mostly petty property crimes. Of course Nichols is so busy he can't post the crime stats on the township website to support their claims of rampant crime. Simply not true. Passing the levy will have little to no effect on crime. They can't prevent new "NEIGHBORS" like those on the flyer from moving here. Or maybe they were referring to "NEIGHBORS" like the 3 former cops who were arrested, 2 for offenses against under aged girls and the other for drugs.

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13piak(508 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Look into the Civil Rights Act of 1968; Title VIII, the Fair Housing Act. It was passed by a DEMOCRAT CONGRESS, signed into law by a DEMOCRAT President, Lyndon Baynes Johnson. This whole valley votes Democrat in lock-step and has since 1936.

So, enjoy! You voted for this. And it's all coming back to bite this community.

Don't believe me. Instead, look up the Civil Rights Act of 1968, Title VIII on Wikipedia. It's all there.

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14taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Apollo, I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the serious crimes that they claim take place. Did you read the article today about the ride-along the Vindy did with the Boardman police? It's actually more of a joke. Long story making it sound like something horrible is right around the corner, and then nothing but simple little things. Makes me laugh and also wonder if the Vindy is again trying to help the side of the Police even after all of the constant postings of the abuse from the unions. I also hope people listen to you about the excessive salaries due to the raises that are no long sustainable.

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15Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Boardman is now aging gracefully . Just like a fine wine or an aged cheese the goodness in now upon them . . ..

WELCOME TO YOUR FUTURE . . ..

http://www.projectmag.com/blog/wp-con...

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16apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

How about the cops paying 10,000 to help fund the website to scare the voters!!!

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17apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Also, the township is breaking the law with respect to the posting of signs and using the county board of elections sending out the "NEIGHBOR" flyers. Add in the Cops giving a $10,000 "donation" to the ad campaign designed to scare the voters into believing Boardman is Gary Indiana. But, they have a history of using illegal means to pass levies. Ask Leicht about the postage used to push township agendas before.

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18zthafuture(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

...its easy to find the racist morons in Youngstown, i just look for hotbutton issues such as this. no one really looks at how the deterioration of any urban area means there is a proliferation in crime and a lowering of property values. but the fact that those seeking, legitemately, to improve their living conditions are constantly refered to as 'scum' is just cowardly and fairly insipid. Boardman deals with its situations just like any other community, and if those seeking egress from the Youngstown collapse are so offensive, there are other cities the 'rats' can scurry to. how about Columbiana? hear its nice this time of year.

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19AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I cannot recall a bigger puff-piece to scare the voters in Boardman.....

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20Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

One of our biggest problems in Boardman has been that many out here have and still have their heads in the sand for years . They can not see what is going on in our town . They still think they live in some kind of a safe little suburb . WE are the new Ytown and fast becoming a Giotto . They are more interested in money and what our Teachers , Policeman and
Fireman make then trying to help out . Sure our policemen make more money, they deserve it , They are working in a battle zone . PLEASE WAKE UP

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21IAMYOUNGSTOWN2011(3 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

People want to put all the blame on youngstown residents right......maybe if yours kids or neighbors werent heroin JUNKIES maybe "the Scum" wouldnt have any reason to come to boardman but since they are that maybe someone should thank boardman parents for buying the "500 dollar car with $25000 rims on it" and maybe people should stop looking for someone else to put blame on and look whos walking around your own house

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22apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

A battle zone??? Really? How many murders in Boardman? How many rapes? How many serious crimes? 90% or higher are petty thefts from the retailers. Free are you a township worker?

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23moneymoney(21 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The real terrorists are these thugs who ruin life for good people while stealing our money through welfare benefits. We don't need more cops, we need less political correctness that allows these ingrate thugs to have their way with all of us. This BS is happening all across America. Good people are getting pushed out of their homes by the absolute worst of the worst. Stop running. Stop waiting for your corrupt politicians to fix things for you. Do something about it.

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

“Of course, we border the South Side of Youngstown and I don’t have to tell you that the South Side of Youngstown is a pretty rough place,"

You don't say . . ..

The SouthSide is full of culture and the people love expressing themselves . Boardman should feel honored that they come to visit and spread the culture .

http://oi51.tinypic.com/24n6w.jpg

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25IAMYOUNGSTOWN2011(3 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

worst worst the worst is your drug addict kids but no ones says anything about the heroin junkies that are arrested in youngstown that are from boardman

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26nervusboy(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

America is starting to look more and more like Bosnia all the time...

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27apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

118 or 115 arrests for serious crimes in a 12 month time period? Is that the rampant crime they are talking about? That's not rampant citizens, that's 2 a week. Which just goes to prove that serious crime and the scare tactics are a joke and that paying cops $90,000 a year plus benefits and perks is also a joke. If they were making what peer communities were making, we'd have the money necessary for the proper manpower. No need for more taxes. A definite need to get wages and benefits in line. Time for 10% wage and benefit cuts across the board and according to the audit, that would still leave them 10% overpaid.

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28IAMYOUNGSTOWN2011(3 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

maybe if the people that are worrying about youngstown so much should worry about there own childrens and the so called thugs an hoodlums would not have any reason to come to boardman

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29saysithowitiz(98 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Scare tactics, that's all it is. Be ready for similar stories to keep coming out up until November.

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30luvlove(9 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I get sick of the blame game parroted online..

What Youngstown needs seriously are jobs... We need to bring industry here at all cost..

You can't expect one or two employers to hire everyone in Youngstown...

I do believe whatever it takes to bring business here should be the priority for Youngstown....

Giving industry a tax break for a couple of years until they are established and tax them afterwards...The motivation is not here and I can't figure out why yet?

Oh! and the drug problem is everywhere you go in America... so that's no excuse anymore...

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31apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Nichols made $141,000 in 2010. He will make well over $100,000 (pension and salary) every year until he decides to retire completely. Yet, the township crybabies complained about Berarducci making around $90,000 a year. I guess it's OK for one of their own to milk the taxpayers.

There is little violent crime, the stats above are proof. Giving them more money isn't going to change the crime numbers. Giving them more money won't suddenly allow them to keep the criminals out. Paying cops a quarter of a million won't suddenly make them superman. Paying them above average doesn't mean we get better employeesj just ask the 3 former Boardman cops who are now criminals.

It will cause more houses to become vacant and cause more decline in property values.

You can't tax your way to prosperity.

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32apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Larry Moliterno says “It only takes a few individuals to create havoc in a community. ...We need more policemen on the road. I know that’s a real simplistic answer, but that’s the only way I can answer,” said Trustee Larry Moliterno.

So Larry, how about asking the Township Employees to accept wage and benefit givebacks like the private sector? Larry, do you think $90,000 is a little too high for average salaries (BPD) not including benefits and perks far better than the private sector? The audit says it's 20% too high. Larry, is it OK for the township to illegally use public property for signage in support of the levy? Can I put signs on township property against the levy? Can I put a picture of the 3 former township cops who were arrested on a flyer proposing the voters reject a levy? Can you with a straight face say that crime is rampant in Boardman? With 2 serious crimes a week and 90% plus being petty crimes at retailers?

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Boardman culturist comes back home . . ..

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/20/...

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34Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Apollo --- No but I do own a lot of property and 3 business in Boardman .
Maybe you should get the crime reports of the shootings and robbery out here . And not be led by things you think is happening . My family has been here for many years and years . . I can see is what is going on . PLEASE STOP putting down the men and women who are trying to protect your little spot in what use to be a great place to raise your family .If you can not pay your taxes maybe you should move . But if you would like to do something other then complain get out and help ,

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35apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Freeatlast is not just buying the hype and myth of higher crime rates, he is fabricating his own stats. How many murders and rapes in Boardman Free? The Vindy did a thorough run down of serious crime and we have 2 a week. That's not exactly a crime wave. In fact, it's typical of similar communities. The differnence is we pay our crime fighters like they are better than all of Ohio. Even with the 3 that were criminals themselves. I have no problem paying my taxes free but there are plenty of people on fixed, low, and middle incomes who can't afford more money for those already making 20% too much and for a group of trustees who can't seem to ever cut expenses. The answer is always more for them and less for the property owner.

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36apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

It's also a myth that more crime fighters will make a difference in crime rates. They can't just stop criminals at the border and tell them to go back to the south side and they can't keep people from Youngstown from moving here. Crime in Boardman is static. Don't be fooled voters by township employees and scare mongers who falsify stats. Freeatlast would love to have YOU fund the police so he doesn't have to pay for security for his 3 businesses.

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37Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

YOU are not helping you have become part of the Problem Apollo. Do you rent one of my homes or are you buying your home . . I get the feeling you rent and do not care what happens out here . But it looks like your going to keep your head in the sand and there is no use talking to you . So Have a nice day and try to stay safe .

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38block50(128 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Amazing! There is no 'border' between Youngstown and Boardman or Poland or Canfield. Your pure little white children have an insatiable drug appetite. That's why 'those' people come across the 'border'. This inflammatory article, as gratuitous and racist as it is, may do some good by awakening people to their own children's serious drug problems. They just had a drive by shooting in little Leetonia that was drug related. The Vindicator has an opportunity to take this from a racial scare article and make it expose what is really going on in the lives of the kids all over the area. I won't hold my breath.

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39USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

1. The rats go where the food is! Boardman, Canfield, Poland, Liberty, Austintown. When you tear the houses down in Youngstown the rats will scatter like cockroaches. I say, keep the run down houses IN youngstown. They made them that way! The South Side used to be a nice place to live. Both of my grandparents lived there. But the rats moved in and they had to go due to high crime and destruction of property. These rats aren't gonna skip over a town like boardman. There is too much money there. They don't like the country living life style so they're NOT moving to Columbiana any time soon. Granted there are kids in Boardman who run with these rats but they are far and few between. Youngstown doesn't need jobs! It needs an atomic bomb! You people are making excuses for these scumbags. Wait until its YOUR house they break into, its YOUR daughter they beat and rape, its YOUR wife who gets car jacked, its YOU who gets attacked just going to pay for gas. There IS a DARN GOOD reason for "The Great White Flight". We need to have a Great White FIGHT! If you don't want your towns and neighborhoods to look like Youngstown. YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM OUT! You guys need to start being PROactive if you don't want your neighborhood too look like the south or north sides. IT WILL HAPPEN! JUST GIVE IT TIME!

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40AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Free,
Even for those that rent end up paying more. As taxes increase on property, so goes up the rent. So the renters PAY for the taxes for the owners. Its just that the Owners can write off the taxes and the renters cannot.

Apollo,

Looking at BPD salaries, they are not paying officers on the street $90,000.
3 or 4 have a salary at that rate, but they are the chief and captains. Most Officers are paid in the $60,000s. Get your facts straight before misleading folks about officers pay.

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41apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Actually freeatlast, I'm considering moving to Canfield. That way, I don't have to deal with idiotic business owners who want the poorer and middle class residents to pay for the security of his business and rental properties. They also don't pay the cops in Canfield $90,000 a year using scare tactics in a community with zero murders and few other violent crimes. 2 per week is hardly a crime wave.

The AVERAGE wage of the Boardman officers IS $90,000. Easily checked on my or the Vindy website. 3 or 4 have that rate? Really? Check again AAC. 4 made over $100,000 last year. Many more made in the $90,000's. Lots more made in the $80,000's. 20% more than peer communities. Factor in those medical, pensions, and perks far better than anyone in the private sector and suddenly police work is paying on par with doctors and lawyers. Ridiculous.

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42Fred(131 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I am going to start carrying my video camera with me when I go to the Southern Park Mall.Security chasing after the shoplifters is very entertaining.Uploading to youtube would give others a chance to see how some unconventional shopping is done.

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43apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

2009

Allsop 81,500
Balog 82,300
Deluco 106,000
Hawkins 98,000
Hughes 91,900
Kakascik 86,000
Lamping 91,900
McDonnell 94,600
Nichols 124,000
Riddle 85,6

2010

Nichols - 141,000
Allsop 80,600
Balog 81,000
Hawkins 103,300
Hughes 94,400
Kakascik 83,300
Lamping 93,700
McDonnell 91,000
Patton 83,100
Riddle 101,700
Riwniak 87,700

Very few make under 65,000

In a community with a median income of around 55,000 and an average income of around 40,000.

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44apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Sounds like the Southern Park Mall needs more Paul Blart types not 90,000 a year 20% overpaid types.

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45grazor50(56 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Follow the articles on this new levy, $3.8 million in increased revenue for the security in Boardman, and then you find out that half of that amount $1.7m is going to be deducted from the police allotment of the general budget and returned to the general fund. This is a typical government procedure to cry out a need for money, and then remove money from the original funding only to have a back door TAX approved not intended for the purpose the voters were informed.
ANOTHER EX> : Ohio lottery money funds schools also, the citizens thought the schools were going to see an increase in revenue for the school systems,,, case in fact : all OHIO did was now give the lottery money to the schools as promised and remove the government subsidies that were funding the schools before the lottery, giving the politicians more money for their pet projects and studies that are a total waste of taxpayer dollars and the schools are still underfunded. and need more money, STOP this government waste and lying,,, vote NO,,, as the police are funded now, a new tax for security forces should all go to the police and the 3.8millage would only need to be half or less,,,, time to stop government wasteful spending.

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46apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Grazor50 has found the golden scam. Call it a police levy, scare the voters into believing that crime is rampant and then take half the money out the back door and fund the fire and road guys so that they too can partake in the golden trough. Taxpayers would be fools to vote yes on this.

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47youngspartanrepublican(92 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Let's see: Boardman police arrest a man with a drug possession charge and an empty gun holster yet they offer to let him call for a ride home?? And THEY want US to vote for this!! Are you kidding me?! If our policemen weren't so soft then maybe crime would go down. Our cops need to be more intimidating. Also, this article and the interactive map should only confirm what those of us have been saying that the levy isn't needed. Most of the crime happens at apartment complexes and shopping centers. For all of the neighborhood decline being talked about I don't see it! None of the "Applehood" crime has spilled out into the main neighborhood, and none of the crime along 224 has spilled into Presidential/Quail Hollow and the areas of Applewood near Bristlewood where the homes are considerably more valuable/upscale. This is a scare campaign at its finest. North Boardman will be duped into voting for this again, but the rest of the township will vote this down. Cut the salaries 10% ($60-75K is much more fair than 80-95K, esp with benefits they get) and this levy wouldn't even be needed. And for those of you saying that only the fixed income crowd will vote this down, think again. A lot of the wealthier/business class in Boardman that makes up the majority of the Southern part of the township and other middle class neighborhoods can look at these salaries and realize how unfair the system is. Look at Canfield and Poland. Lot's of people there can afford their levies yet they voted all of those down.

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48apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

youngspartanrepublican has also shown an ability to see through the scam scare tactics. The little crime that does occur is easily located where he states. It is indeed a scare campaign to keep the golden trough flowing and makes it easier for the trustees who are union friendly and simply want to keep raping the taxpayers. It's about the only raping that does occur here.

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49apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Remember the substation that was supposed to cure crime in the North end? How's that working out?

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50Nuz(1 comment)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Time to build a fence.

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51candystriper(575 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Trustee's wanted to rule, well consider this your success.

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52hellokitty(161 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

"For all of the neighborhood decline being talked about I don't see it! None of the "Applehood" crime has spilled out into the main neighborhood, and none of the crime along 224 has spilled into Presidential/Quail Hollow and the areas of Applewood near Bristlewood where the homes are considerably more valuable/upscale."

But YoungSpartanRepublic, don't you understand that it's simply a matter of time until the crime spills, along with the blood. You are young, AND naive....just sayin'

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53dobiedidi(2 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Costello never saw a levy he didnt like .The '' police'' levy is a smoke screen to fund the other depts.

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54mallika(1 comment)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

come on you all .I lived in Boardman for 2 years and to me it is a safe place because I dont sleep well at night and go for walks in the early mornings around 3 to 4 am and it is dead as hell no shotings no nothing .I feel safe walking the streets .First of all the BPD dont do crap .We had to call them on the 4th of july because our neibor wouldnt leave after we ask them to and he jumped my husband because he asked him to leave and the cops didnt arreast the neibor for crimmal tresspassing .So whats that say about the BPD nice!

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55Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

BOARDMAN PURSE SNAGGLERS

http://www.wfmj.com/story/14413824/au...

I sure hope that they don't go north into Youngstown . . .. We've got plenty of culture . . ..

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56Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

BROKEN HEARTED IN BOARDMAN

http://www.wfmj.com/story/14399007/bo...

BOARDMAN, Ohio - A Boardman man faces charges of assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, possession of criminal tools, and arson.

Township police say that early Wednesday, Andrew M. Gallagher broke a window in a car belonging to Tiffany Frasier and doused the car with gasoline

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57TheLostPatrol(756 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Just scare tactics in Boardman to Pass a Levy and pad the salaries. Bring in the National Guard to handle these gangbanging thugs and hoodlums, for the City of Youngstown has no b@ll$ to address the issue.

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58Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

GOT METH ?

http://www.wfmj.com/story/9163641/hub...

Hubbard Man Arrested in Boardman Meth Lab Operation

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59Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

This is Pathetic,..

To preface this allow me to inform whomever it may concern as head at Vindy. You can continue and or even step up your routine practices of periodically obstructing my ability to comment. But I can care less and you've now proven that your pander publication. To be recognized as exactly what the resounding public sentiment has identified it as,.. Worthless.

See I'm as impartial as it gets and where it's to be respected that neither I nor anyone else has to like the factual news. But if events and articles are going to be printed as a formal publication and hailed as the no spin stories that you proclaim they are. Then they should at least be factual, accurate, impartial and it wouldn't hurt if they were non prejudicial and thorough as well.

Where the factual history and numbers in regards to substantiating neither the angle nor levy. In no way supports a thing you're projecting to the re-pander to the populous. In regards to those in the administration of " Ba-Whored - Man ". Has requested and received taxpayer voted approval for more funding time and time again. Yet those unreasonable administrators totally misrepresented, mis-allocated and invariably " STOLE that money,.. THAT'S what the history and records reveal.

Where now after having tried it again and again and been voted NO by the populous in a " Not again " manner. Those maniacal grossly overpaid municipality thieves in the Scrub-burg of " Ba-Whored-Man." Has launched their best pitch of prejudice slant to the populous to try to get it. Where it's that the " Spindicator " located in Youngstown has yet again shamelessly going full throated " Faux Nueus " to pitch their pilfer plan the populous pander,.. in Total Trojan Horse manner.

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60Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

{ continued }

See the populous isn't willing to continue to serve as a feed bag. That as any majority are senselessly willing to continue to bilked to supply bloated self serving salaries to the unsavory. Nobody likes crime and just like they don't like poorly attired thieves, they don't favor financial crooks in white collar schemes either,..THAT'S what those NO Votes " represent.

Yet just the same your client's efforts have been pitched and re-pitched by and within your publication. Which has yielded tried and failed results. Where having tapped every other angle in attempt to terrify the voters into a frantic panic state. In effort to favor yet more funding of their foray of fleece and fraud. However, now as last resort and approaching ballot time. They pull out the age old fail safe direction of " cage kicking " trolling for the kooks and quacks. By ensconcing their clamoring by now canvasing it a " Black guy in cuffs " headline,.. complete with an out of shape and less than svelte uniformed individual as a depiction.

Where for clarity I don't have anything against portly people. Just like I have nothing against those that's thin or postured as any other presence in physique. But just like the top loaded and non weighted spin in all that smorgasbord of " pay to project " spin you served up. The contrast in the picture of whom you portray as as " Good Cop -vs - Bad criminal. ",.. let the voters weight that out.

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61dobiedidi(2 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Boardman township pays the employee portion of the opers pension .That averages 10to 12% PER EMPLOYEE.

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62Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Hey Apollo I have 15 rentals in Canfield .If you are sure let me know . I could give you a deal./ Do you think you could afford Canfield or Austintown ???.Can you sell your home out here in Btown/ Ytown ?? for more then you OWE ???? Love to have you as a renter. Please have a safe day and God bless

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63peoplesrepublic(16 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Sure Boardman's an easy target...that should tell you what a great job their overpaid police force has been doing for the past twenty years. They're all nothing but a bunch of traffic cops, like all the other neighboring towns, who need backup every time they pull someone over. There are way too many cops out there who obviously don't do what their being paid to do. You are an idiot if you vote to pass this levy and to prove it have the police blotter made public and include every cops name and their annual salary made public also. I'll bet you they'd never do it.

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64MV(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

A friend that always questions how our government spends tax dollars suggested I look at this blog. I am really surprised about the nasty tone that is being use. Can we just get down to facts? Has the leadership of Boardman done everything they can to control costs? They should post documents or spread sheets here that identify every reduction they have made in the last few years for all items in the budget. Until then, why would anyone want to just hand over more money. Of course, we all want to be "united against crime" but what is the trade off? Other than the people that don't pay their rent, trash the rental housing and shoplift, I do not see any increase in crime? What am I missing in this how discussion?

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65DAL(90 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The sad thing is that what is happening in Boardman is also happening in Austintown. I grew up on the West Side of Youngstown when it was safe and moved to Austintown. To drive thru the West Side now you have to keep your windows up because of the riff raff. The same thing with the South Side of Youngstown. The sad thing is that Boardman borders on the South Side and Austintown borders on the West Side and we can't keep the badness from spreading to our nice surburbs!!! I am still proud to be an Austintown resident as much as the Boardman residents are proud of their community. So you snobs that are tearing at our suburbs need to get your heads out of your behind, cuz one day you will be in same situation!!!!

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66AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

http://media3.vindy.com/news/document...

The Average salary including overtime at BPD is $74,434 for 2010. So for those who think the average is 90,000 and want 10% paycuts. Well you got it. Their pay is 18% less then you think they are being paid.

Some just forgot to average in all those officers making less then 80,000.

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67TylerDurden(367 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

"come on you all .I lived in Boardman for 2 years and to me it is a safe place because I dont sleep well at night and go for walks in the early mornings around 3 to 4 am and it is dead as hell no shotings no nothing .I feel safe walking the streets .First of all the BPD dont do crap .We had to call them on the 4th of july because our neibor wouldnt leave after we ask them to and he jumped my husband because he asked him to leave and the cops didnt arreast the neibor for crimmal tresspassing .So whats that say about the BPD nice!"

Mallika, you spelled ask wrong, it's axe. Holy Jesus.

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68Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

FOOL

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69TylerDurden(367 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

That's Mr. Fool.

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70taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

It does matter that the communities border the south side and west side, but I believe the biggest downfall for Boardman and Austintown begins with section 8 housing and open enrollment. Section 8 started both of those areas on a downward spiral to become like Youngstown. Also the problem I have with open enrollment is that as a (divorced, not just no daddy) single mother I worked very hard (sometimes 2-3 jobs) in order to keep my children in a good school district. It used to be expensive to live outside of Youngstown's borders. Now they give it away with section 8 and vouchers for school.

I'm sorry, but if you can't afford to live in these areas you don't need to reap the benefits. That's why these areas used to be so good. Work at McDonalds as a second job if you can't afford it on your primary job alone. That shows that you want the best for your children. I think it's very sad for those who do work hard enough and have to put up with this crap in their towns.

And before anybody starts with saying I'm against black people having opportunities, it's not a white or black thing. It's a STANDARD of living and teaching your children MORALS AND RESPECT.

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71taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Neglecting to state my point in my last post, raising taxes for police isn't going to change the future for Boardman if this is allowed to continue, which it will. Stop thinking about the $ from vouchers for schools and allowing more section 8 housing and think more about the people who are stuck there from buying when it was different. I feel bad for them because they would never be able to sell their homes for the value they deserve anymore.

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72candystriper(575 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Homes in pre foreclosure

Canfield 66
Boardman 22

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73Not_Gilligans_Ginger(129 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm with IAMYOUNGSTOWN2011... I live in Youngstown as well. Seems the suburban parents have no idea that their "fluffy" little girls are coming into Youngstown to find themselves boyfriends and to party w/ them! Yes, I said your little girls are partying w/ boys from the hood, parents! So, when the boys decide they want to visit their new girlfriends and they're not of the "right" color, the suburban POlice find a reason to pull the car over. NOBODY can say there isn't racial profiling in the suburbs! A lot of you peeps from suburbia have crossed into Y-Town to buy your reefer for YEARS and YOU KNOW IT! So, don't "dis" Youngstown if you are one of "those" who have crossed the line and taken advantage of the "pharmaceutical representatives" in Youngstown, because you're only helping the drug trade stay solvent. I'm just sayin'...

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74Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

OK Mr. Fool.

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75hellokitty(161 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

@Malikka or whatever your name is: you are an idiot.

@peoplesrepublic: the Boardman PD patrol as single units. Should they not request backup when pulling over thugs? I bet you don't have the 'nad's to do their job.

You people want police presence and protection, but you want the officers to work for minimum wage? You couldn't do their job no matter what the salary is.

@ Nunya: well never mind.....I can't decipher your garbled crap.

@Apollo: I hope you need the police one day....you may change your sorry tune.

@ freeatlast: You get it, and I only wish more folks did.

Section 8 and school vouchers are the downfall of any community. But let's just keep on welcoming these burden's of society into the neighborhood.....until it truly becomes the "hood"....which Boardman already is.

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76Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Boardman has lost its luster . The big money has moved out or is moving out into the countryside . Places such as Firestone Farms are now the in place to live . Beaver Township is now the place to be .

http://youngstownlive.com/golf/links-...

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77MV(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I think we need a guarantee that if the taxpayers vote to pass the levy the fire stations stay open and staffed and we finally get the ambulance service from the fire department. My fear is that we will be asked again in 18 months to pony up more money. Between library, last 2.2 mil levy for police and fire? not sure what happened with that money, and now 3.85 mil - I am looking at an extra $600 a year taxes. We should eliminate the sales tax for the WRTA when it comes up or is that permanent?

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78joebag09(251 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Why do you think....suddenly....all these articles on Boardman and the police situation? Pass the levy...that's all they're after. Call in some favors and get media coverage. Sorry, not happening here, NO LEVY! You guys do a great job and I want the best for you all, but it's simply not in my budget! DO NOT BE FRIGHTENED INTO A DECISION based on blowing stories out of proportion!

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79apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

100% right joebag. All these Boardman articles just appear out of the blue 2 weeks before the special $50,000 levy that Boardman paid for. You're also right that they are inflating these stories to make Boardman appear as if crime is rampant and scare all the voters. The Vindy looked at the crime stats and there is 2 serious crimes a week and the rest are petty thefts, shoplifting and domestic violence. Even the serious stuff is mostly drug related. No murders, few rapes, (except the taxpayers) few burglaries.

Vote no. If they want money extract it from the overpaid employees, not the taxpayers pockets.

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80Millie(192 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

To the earlier comment about tax increases, I am in the Canfield school district, Boardman Twp. We were really taking a hit on property taxes if the school levy had passed, now with this we will be higher than the $600 increase mentioned before. Canfield schools will probably never pass a levy if they need votes from the Boardman Twp. side.

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81apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Freeatlast must be one of the Boardman employees. Free, selling a home in Boardman will get harder if this levy passes. People look at property taxes to help them determine where to live. Boardman built in a cost structure on inheritance taxes that was unsustainable but the unions saw it and thought they deserved every last penny. That's how they got to be 20% overpaid. Time to reign in those wages and benefits to reality. Can't pay cops $90,000 a year for petty crimes and firemen $75,000 a year for fighting the 2 fires per year. The taxpayers are tapped out. Except Freeatlast of course.

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82joebag09(251 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

AnotherAverageCitizen.....first, you say, the average was in the 60's, now, you say 70's! Get your figures right!

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83Bigben(1996 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

To those who said the police in Boardman are over paid . After looking at the salaries posted yeah that is pretty obvious.

As for serious crime I think the scare tactics are being used.The majority of the crime is around the business section of Boardman and involves theft.
The voters remember what happened last time.

As for the drugs and kids your going to get that anywhere in America sad to say.The truth of the matter is the buses bring some good folks who do not have cars to shop in Boardman.But the nasty folks may also be shipped in through public transportation.

Unfortunately when you have section 8 housing going into new neighborhoods something evil often follows.Who controls what area gets section 8?Would they like to live in a section 8 neighborhood?

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84atek101(77 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

This isn't new news. Obviously a township with a regional commercial center is going to have people from other municipalities that contribute to the crime rate.

Furthermore, pointing fingers at us here in Youngstown isn't going to solve your problems, Boardman. The crime problems faced in our community are largely connected to the greater socioeconomic ills of our region. Through unethical business practices, poor public policy, and selfish personal choices, we have concentrated our Valley's poverty into highly distressed neighborhoods. No number of police officers is going to change that reality for us.

We need to step it up as a community to make our region healthy again. We're all to blame for the mess we're in.

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85AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Bag,

MY figures are RIGHT. Most police officers make in the sixties. When you average in all the captains,Chief, and lieutenants it comes to $74,000. Look it up.

http://media3.vindy.com/news/document...

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86USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

YOU YUPPY DIPSTICKS DONT GET IT! Its not about a levy! Its not about BPD's wages! Its about the scum of youngstown infiltrating model towns and neighborhoods! They are running out of neighborhoods it youngstown to screw up! They are coming your way! Its like a zombie movie. They run out of the living, they move on. Instead of The Great White Flight we need to arm ourselves and lock up all of our belongings with any worth and start killing these low life bottom feeding pond scum from youngstown BEFORE they ruin your neighborhoods and make you sell your $250,000 house for $9,000 JUST TO GET AWAY FROM THEM! These rats are a plague that has to be defeated before they ruin everything! The faster you understand that the better off you are! Believe me! I am HEAVILY armed and ready! COME GIT SOME!

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87VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Yes, I agree with truth. I was one of those people who spoke with my feet. I have moved 4 times during my lifetime. I am not moving again. I feel safe now. I have driven by one of my old former homes recently and feel sad about the building and the neighborhood. All of our friends former homes are also in bad shape. They were once nice family neighborhoods. Now there are grown men standing around at one of the street corners watching you drive by. Hmmm, wonder why they are there...that is not a bus stop. Not a welcomed feeling.

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88Millie(192 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

So the question is - do the taxpayers of Boardman need another tax that moves money around a problem being described in many of the comments here?

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89apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

The average salary/benefits of Boardman employees is 20% more than peer communities. That's an absolute fact. See the audit. Where do you think that money came from? The inheritance money. A stream of revenues that smart trustees would never use to build in that cost structure. Also fact, 3 former Boardman cops have been arrested in the last 5 years. Kind of contradicts the employees claims that you get a better class of employees with the high salaries and benefits. Fact, Boardman crime is minimal. As the Vindy pointed out, in a 12 month period 2 serious crimes per week and those are not the most serious. Most are drug related. Fact, voting yes will not lower crime stats and Boardman will not be able to keep criminals like those posted on that propaganda flyer out of Boardman. Fact, higher taxes will cause more people to leave Boardman. That means more empty properties and declining values. Fact, BPD is making way more than $74,000 as another poster is claiming. In fact, very few are making less than his number. Fact, the total compensation package of everyone working in Boardman averages OVER $100,000.

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90candystriper(575 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

How many homes in pre foreclosure for Youngstown?

close to 800

trulia.com

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91candystriper(575 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Commercial real estate has lost $1T in equity since the great recession ... commercial property is at 2003 prices.

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92pgurney(281 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

So, let me get this straight. I'm a very hard-working, single mother of a special needs son, BUT because I live on the south side of Youngstown, I'm scum, low-life, trash. Am I getting this straight?

Good to know.

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93Boardman120(82 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Just for the record, Boardman schools DO NOT ALLOW open enrollment currently.

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94taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

pgurney...please realize this talk is not meant for the few that have to live there for financial reasons or whatever. If you work and take care of your children, you are not who is pinpointed on. I do hope you find a way to get your kids into a better school and neighborhood though.

Boardman120...glad to hear that they don't have open enrollment yet, but I'm sure they will sometime soon. That voucher has ruined many good school systems that the residents pay good money to live in.

I think also that many aren't sure what to make of Apollo's posts. He is obviously privy to what has been going on there with the overage and the reason why. Nobody can seem to disprove him and I'm sure there are many who would love too. Read and please remember this stuff when you vote on another unwanted special election that you are paying $50,000 for.

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95apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I get my information directly from the township. The salaries are at:

www.boardmanfacts.com

I contact Jason Loree and get a CD with the salaries on it. It's public info.

The last few years the overtime has shrunk a bit thereby lowering their salaries. When the cops agreed to alter the contract requirement from 6 cars per shift to 5, overtime was cut back. Still, they are way overpaid in a community with little violent crime. Austintown does a better job with 10 less officers.

Factor in these squandering of taxpayers money.

At least $50,000 on this special election when in November, they could have had this on the ballot. Of course they want as few to turn out as possible and August elections serve that underhanded purpose.

How's that substation working for those North siders? Over paying for that lease (to a friend of Elaine Mancini the funeral home owner Davis) furnishing the building and then closing it a couple of years later. I said it was folly back when they opened it.

$200,000 on that CALEA certification. Having a cop dedicated to it for years, paying for the certification, sending cops out of town for the party and then dropping it altogether. They (Mancini and Costello) said it would save Boardman thousands in insurance premiums. Saved less than $100.

Do you really want to give them more money?

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96ytown1(392 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Hey Apollo, do you find it quote humorous how the VIndy took down the most discussed stories section so you can't follow them any more than a day or so?

Now stories such as this is buried in stories quickly so the real truth does not have time to get out?

Seems like they are back promoting levies again.

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97USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I noticed that too ytown. just trying to hide the truth i guess.

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98apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Ytown1, the media is in bed with the people who want to extract more from our pockets. The Vindy will no doubt endorse this taxpayer raping. Even with facts like employees being 20% overpaid according to the audit, substation waste, CALEA, take home cars, illegal putting up of those pro levy signs, Mahoning county board of fixed elections, propaganda mailing with our "neighbors" on it, etc. If the voters pass it, then they'll get the same old wasteful spending Boardman is used to.

Big contracts and white elephants.

Ask Nichols how they intend to keep the riff raff out? How is more money going to prevent people who want to move to Boardman from Youngstown from doing so? How are they going to keep the criminals from entering from the North? What a bunch of crooks and liars.

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99youngspartanrepublican(92 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

http://www.wfmj.com/story/15108852/te...

I commend these teens for knowing what's up...Also you can tell these signs are planted almost exclusively by police officers and the coalition leader Farris. Some streets have hundreds of signs but virtually the rest of the township has NONE!!

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100apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Ferris no doubt wants his library success to carry over to the Boardman levy. Factor in most signs are pushed on people by cops and other township employees. They want that golden trough to continue. Hopefully the taxpayers are smart enough to see through the scam. More taxes will just cause more empty houses and empty businesses. Won't be long, the employees of Boardman will all live outside of Boardman like many do now and Boardman will be a ghost town.

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101apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Stealing street signs is about as serious as most crime is Boardman gets. Will the Vindy have a Boardman story every day leading up to the levy?

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102MV(6 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

What a waste of police time and now the parents money when they have to get an attorney. What detective or police dog solved this crime. Maybe they can track the dog that keeps using my yard.

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103ytown1(392 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

You know the Vindy, there never was a Levy they did not like, or fail endorse.

Even if they have to resort to lousy journalism and print spoon fed stories directly from the Boardman Township Employees.

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