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Pool owners face varying zoning regulations



Published: Thu, July 14, 2011 @ 12:01 a.m.

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Florence Steiner purchased a pool for her Wick Avenue home in July. She has lived at the address for 50 years and has had a pool in her front yard many of those years. The Youngstown Zoning Department is making sure those with pools get the proper permits and follow zoning regulations.

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A temporary swimming pool sits in a driveway at a home in the 1200 block of Campbell Street in Youngstown.

By CHRISTINE KEELING

ckeeling@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

As the temperature creeps up, so can problems for residents who are trying to cool off without being aware of their community’s zoning rules.

The installation of all types of swimming pools in Youngstown, Canfield and Poland require a zoning permit, for example.

But in Austintown and Boardman, temporary portable pools that are erected after May 1 and removed by Oct. 1 are exempt. Mahoning County residents, who don’t live in Youngstown, are also required to purchase a $25 building permit for pools with water deeper than

24 inches. “Kiddie” pools with less than 24 inches of water are not regulated.

Nilda Martinez, of Youngstown, said she set up a pool at her Taft Avenue home and within a week received a letter from the Youngstown Zoning Department letting her know she needed to

obtain a zoning permit and erect a fence around the pool.

“My son drained the water that day,” said Martinez. “I didn’t want trouble.”

The following Monday, she purchased a pool permit and building permit and began pricing fencing. Martinez said it will cost her an addition $800 to comply with the zoning rules.

Youngstown Zoning

Specialist Ray DeCarlo said pool owners in Youngstown must obtain a $10 zoning permit, abide by placement

restrictions, as well as provide a 6-foot-high enclosure fence and screening

device around the entire pool.

Access to the water must be through the residence or through a self-closing and child-proof gate only.

“The law has been a law for a long time,” said DeCarlo. “We didn’t just make it up.”

So far this year, DeCarlo said 12 letters have been sent to residents whose pool violated zoning rules. He said 10 people have complied by

either removing the structure or fencing it in. Two people are appealing.

He said that Youngstown zoning rules are in the process of being revised. Residents are invited to attend neighborhood zoning meetings through Aug. 4.

“It’s not about the money,” said DeCarlo. “It’s the safety issue.”

He said some city residents have temporary pools in their front yards.

Florence Steiner has lived in her Wick Avenue home for 50 years and said she has had a pool in her front yard off and on for 30 years.

She was unaware of any zoning rules regarding swimming pools, but would move it to her back, fenced in yard if she was approached by zoning officials.

“I never heard of such a thing,” said Steiner when told of the zoning rules. “If it was a city pool I could see it, but it’s for family.”

She said she didn’t place the pool in the backyard when she set it up July 1 because raccoons wandered the area during the day.

She said she has raised nine children throughout the years and now takes care of grandchildren and has never had a problem with owning a pool.

“Everyone is happy,” said Steiner.

In Canfield, zoning inspector Dave Morrison said reasonable prices and easy availability is allowing temporary pools to “pop up like mushrooms.”

Morrison said Canfield residents who plan to add a pool must purchase a zoning permit, erect a 4-foot, 6-inch fence around the pool and remove or block access to the water when it’s left unattended. A permit will cost the homeowner $20 for pools valued at less than $3,500. Owners who forgo the step can be charged an additional $25 if caught.

He said regulating swimming pools is difficult because they are often behind homes — making it impossible to see them.

Zoning inspector Bob Monus said there are no zoning regulations with regard to fencing a temporary pool in Poland Township.

According to zoning rules, Poland Township residents who own temporary pools can’t install them prior to May 1 and must remove them by Oct. 31 of the same year. The structures must be located in the rear of the lot with all components, including deck areas and

patios, located at least 10 feet from all property lines. Pool owners must obtain a permit each year.

In Austintown and Boardman townships, residents are not required to purchase a permit for pools erected after May 1 and dismantled by Oct. 1. Zoning rules for the communities do state that temporary pools must be located in the rear of the residence, 10 feet from property lines.

“Homeowners are responsible that no one gets hurt,” said Darrin Crivelli, Austintown’s zoning inspector.

On average, 34 Ohio children age 1 to 19 drown each year, according to the Ohio Department of Health,

Office of Vital Statistics. More than 30 percent of drowning deaths involving children age 1 to 9 occur in swimming pools.

Jeffrey Uroseva, Mahoning County Building

Department official, said zoning departments tell residents where a pool can be built and the building

department tells them how to build it.

Uroseva said some of the county building codes for swimming pools include the necessity to have a

48-inch barrier for all pools with water over 24 inches, and not being allowed to use an extension cord to operate the filter. Pool walls can act as a barrier if they meet the height requirement. He said owners of temporary pools must obtain a building permit each year they put their pool up. This year, the building department has issued 53 permits for inground and above-ground pools throughout Mahoning County.


Youngstown neighborhood zoning meetings:

Monday: Kirkmere at Volney Rogers Middle School, 2400 S. Schenley Ave., 6 to 7:30 p.m.

Tuesday: Erie, Flint Hill, lower Gibson, Oak Hill and Warren Avenue at Oakhill Renaissance Place, 345 Oak Hill Ave., 6:30 to 8 p.m.

Thursday: East High, East Side and Hazelton at East High School, 474 Bennington Ave.,

6 to 7:30 p.m.

July 25: Belle Vista and Schenley at Mill Creek Davis Center, 123 McKinley Ave., 7 to

8:30 p.m.

July 26: Cottage Grove, Idora, Newport and Pleasant Grove at Newport Branch Library, 3730 Market St.,

6 to 7:30 p.m.

July 28: Lansdowne and McGuffey Heights at Association Neighborhood Center, 1649 Jacobs Road, 6 to 7:30 p.m.

Aug. 1: Arlington Heights, downtown, Mahoning Commons, Riverbend, Smoky Hollow and YSU at Trinity United Methodist Church, 30 W. Front St., 6 to 7:30 p.m.

Aug. 4: Brier Hill, North Heights and Wick Park at Wick Park Recreation Center, 260 Park Ave., 6 to 7:30 p.m.

Source: Youngstown Zoning Department


Comments

1Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

“It’s not about the money,” said DeCarlo. “It’s the safety issue.”

It's all about the money . Gunfire goes on day and night with no permit needed . No permit is needed for selling drugs either .

MORE DIE FROM SHOOTINGS AND DRUGS IN ONE YEAR IN YOUNGSTOWN THAN EVER DIED IN THE POOLS OF THE ENTIRE STATE .

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2moneymoney(21 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

An above ground pool in the front yard of a house in Youngstown? Classy.

It's nice to see that the city can enforce something.

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3Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Having a pool in the front yard is a distraction the the drug dealers cruising the street don't need . Public safety is the top priority . These pools in the front yards do however make the hoods look better .

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4mike10(84 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Another example of goverment employees not doing their jobs. Had the county been inforcing this since day one. There would not be an issue. But since someone was not doing their job and now has decide to start there are issues.

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5whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

put a fence up around the pot holes and charge the city for a permit.....

but it is common sense to fence in a pool to protect yourself from being sued,
this day and age people try to sue everyone for anything.

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6DwightK(1304 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Fences around pools are common sense. I don't think the city is getting fat off a $10.00 permit fee.

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7Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

If safety is the issue then make the gangbangers and drug dealers get a permit . . ..

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8DwightK(1304 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Is there a way to do that, Stan? Because I have to tell you, that sounds like a real easy way to cut down on gangs and dope dealers.

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9Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan one more hate comment and you can make 50% on this one . Keep it up you will make it . What a goal in life !!! to post the most hate comments on Vindy.com

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10nascar74(43 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan, why not grow up. Do you want a pool in your neighbors front yard? Do you want one a child in the neighborhood to drown? Besides, what a life you have with almost 8,000 posts.

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Freeatlast :

"Stan one more hate comment and you can make 50% on this one . Keep it up you will make it . What a goal in life !!! to post the most hate comments on Vindy.com"

Ah the venerable FreeAtLast . . ..

You seem awful spiteful today . Perhaps a dip in that pool on Wick would cool you off ? This is a hot summer . Let the people have their pools . . ..

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12MLC75(589 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I enjoy reading Stan's comments,why hate him for all of his posts.He has a right to comment as much as he likes.It has nothing to do with getting a life.I look forward to what Stan will say next.Keep it up Stan !

Before any of you attack me for my opinion,YOU GET A LIFE ,CAPICE !

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13Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

"“It’s not about the money,” said DeCarlo. “It’s the safety issue.” "

Should worry more about the guns and violence then a swimming pool.

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14Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

MLC75 :

"I enjoy reading Stan's comments,why hate him for all of his posts."

Thanks for the support ! That nasty Freeatlast would have me slavin on his plantation if he owned one . His idea of freedom is only freedom for Freeatlast .

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15redeye1(4712 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Stan Keep up the posts, it makes things interesting.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Thanks ! Ah, the freedom of expression . . ..

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17tonne(199 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

For those of you who think this is a minor issue at best and an invasion of our inalienable rights at worst, you can't be serious. Safety codes for pools have been on the books for a long time. For someone to say they don't know what the codes are in their community shows their ignorance. And, as all of us know, ignorance of the law is no excuse for disobeying it. A swimming pool is what is called and "attractive nuisance," meaning that people are drawn to it because of what it is and that is why communities have created codes regarding having one. In addition, the owner is liable for any accident or injury suffered by pool users, whether or not the users are invited guests. Why any pool owner would not want to protect his/her self as much as possible against this liability is a mystery to me. Also, Mr. DeCarlo is a zoning specialist, not a law enforcement officer. Guns and other violence in the city are not things he, in his capacity as a zoning specialist, can do a whole lot about.

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18Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps we need a zoning specialist to crack down on crack dealers and gangbangers . Permits should be mandatory for this public nuisance . I would feel much safer then .

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19DOLE2(594 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

The pool is in the front yard so the 7 pittbulls have room in the back!

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20whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

good job stan dont let the pedophile freeatlast hold you down.

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21mark(60 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

If it wasn't about the money, the permit would be free.

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22cav0822(16 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Youngstown and Warren are doing the same thing regarding permits for these blow-up pools. I think they have more things to worry about in both of these cities besides a damn pool permit for $10.00....really? Nothing better to do???

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Somthing is amiss when the city can't crack down on gangbangers and dope dealers but sees an extreme urgency to crack down on pools . Now which would pose the greatest danger to the public ? Perhaps a meeting of the minds at city hall will occur to discuss the greatest perils that the city faces .

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24USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Typical scum from Youngstown! I guess its hard to have class when you're tweaked, geeked, goobered, and twisted out of your gourd. They don't work, collect welfare, and don't know what class is! People wonder why I hate Youngstown. and you wonder why the property isn't worth anything. Maybe she should have spent the money on a lawn mower, weedeater, and paint for the house instead of on a pool. See what us tax payers have paid for? Maybe she'll invite us all over to swim in OUR pool? I won't hold my breath.

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25cav0822(16 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

USNBOY, where is your glass house at? How do you know these people don't work and collect welfare? Maybe she works 40+ hours a week only making min. wage....just saying.....I work 40hrs per week, have a 4yr degree, and returning to college for another 4yr degree...because I don't live in a $150,000+ home, does that mean I don't know what class is? I don't particularly care for ytown or the surrounding area either but I don't knock the town down and the residents that live here.....Since you are so great, maybe everyone can come to your mansion for a pool party....I probably paid for your pool too

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26walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

This is nothing new for Y-town. The city insisted on my brother putting up a fence for an above-ground pool back in the early 1990's. He complied and so should others. The law was put on the books because it is a safety issue.

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27jshome(4 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

paying your ridiculous water bill should be enough in youngstown for a pool if you use 30 dollars worth of water it costs you 40 dollars to get rid of it as they noted in a recent bill " to improve our dwindling infrastructure" why was this not done years ago?

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28FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

@Stan,
keep on posting brother! I love reading your posts!

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29nascar74(43 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

For all you people that don't like Youngstown or the surrounding areas, why are you still here. I don't see why buying a pool permit is such a big deal.

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30Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan makes the Vindy tolerable. Keep up the strong work Stan!!

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31Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan the hate man now has a following . What a great place we live in . GO STAN KEEP THE HATE COMEING WE LOVE IT

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32Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Freeatlast, while I am truly free you are a prisoner of your indoctrination . . ..

Yep, this cat is totally free . . ..

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33lovedrama(138 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

This is absurd. These pools are a way to cool off, enjoy some family time, be outside in the fresh air. Why not use the money that pays these zoning people toward reducing crime? Seriously-make a program, madatory, for everyone convivted of drug and gang crimes to attend, 8 hours a day, teaching them something--anything because these peiople are often illiterate idiots who not only get away with horrific crimes but act like dumba$$es. Make them work and force them to pick up trash, paint abandoned houses, mow lawns on all of thousands of foreclosures, monitor them like crazy. Leave the nice people and their pools alone. They paid for them, along with a ridiculously high water bill, along with 2% tax to live in the fine city of Y-town ( they don't pay it if they deal drugs for a living ). This is just so stupid, I can't believe I'm taking the time to even voice my contempt for this.

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34USNBOY(76 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Cav0822, my "glass mansion" is just north of Cortland. Its 2800sf, 5 bd, 4bath, I have an INDOOR pool and guess what? ITS NOT IN THE FRONT YARD! They call them BACK YARD POOLS for a reason! THEY'RE IN THE BACK YARD! Did you pay for my home? YES YOU DID! I retired from the military and got so screwed up I can't work. THANK YOU! And YOU'RE WELCOME! The difference between me and these scum in the Yo is that I busted my tookas and my back. What have they busted? Besides a crack rock and or the law about a dozen times. These ignorant life long screw ups wouldn't know what class was if they were invited to high tea with the queen of England. I wouldn't let your nasty bottom feeding butt in my pool. I might catch something while I'm enjoying my morning swim.

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35lovedrama(138 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I've driven up Wick avenue, some of those houses look like they don't have much of a backyard, so maybe that's whu it's in front. Regardless, who cares? Look at most properties on the North and East side and you'll see this is the least of the problems.

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36retiredfella007(1 comment)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Let the politicians close the city pools. The politicians lets killers, thieves, rapist walk the streets. The only thing left is to screw the home owner makes perfect sense to me. We need to love the idiot politicians.

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37Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

These pools are much cheaper than cracking open a fire hydrant as they do in many cities to beat the heat . The downside is that a crack dealer cruising the street could have an accident and be ejected into one of these pools . . ..

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38Rockabilly(93 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

walter_sobchak is correct, it is a safety issue. The pool is in the front yard with a ladder leading into it. I don't believe even a three or four year old would have a problem climbing that ladder and then in a matter of seconds we end up with a tragedy.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Down on Logan there was a car shot up by a crack dealer and a girl was seriously wounded . Nobody called that a tragedy nor was there a permit required for the shooting . . ..

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40dmets(575 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

I think any pool, even the "pop" up pools that get put up at the beginning of summer, and taken down at the end should have fences. I believe that kiddie pools should only be filled when someone is outside to watch them. The thing I do not get is why people outside of Youngstow, but inside Mahoning county need, to get a 25 dollar permit! If their area does not have zoninng or a need for permits, youngstown decides to charge and profit?!?!

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41DOLE2(594 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

''Mom,I'll be on the front porch on the sofa after I get a Kool-Aid out of the porch fridge then jump of the stoop into the poll after I feed the Pit-bulls out back..."

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42Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan Hey Freeatlast, while I am truly free . Is that because you get you income from your daddy or the welfare office . So you can sit in your man cave in your mommy basement . And send out your hate!!! Do you ever have some thing good to say about anything . You need to get out and breath some fresh air . There is a lot of volunteer work you can do.

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43Rockabilly(93 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

@Stan
If you had small children three or four years old would you be comfortable leaving them to play outside if your next door neighbor had that pool and that lack of security. Please just answer yes or no. It's not about crack or gang bangers or the subculture or anything else. It's about kids and that pool. I'd almost be willing to bet that you are incapable of answering that question with a yes or no.

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44tonne(199 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan, I have to say I honestly think you write some of the things you do just to get a rise out of people because sometimes your position on an issue, like this one, doesn't make a lot of sense. Enforcing zoning safety codes has nothing to do with crime in the hood and you know it. There are all sorts of zoning codes in Youngstown, for instance, codes that designate property use and codes that regulate the construction of buildings. If you recall, when the news broke a week or so ago about the problems with the Federal building in downtown Youngstown, people were screaming on this very site about code violations and the apparent lack of oversite on that project when it was built. So, the botttom line is, if you want a pool and you live in Youngstown, you must abide by its pool safety codes, just as you would abide by its property use and construction codes. If you think the codes are stupid and a waste of your tax dollars, start a petition drive and get them repealed. And if you don't like the way law enforcement is handling crime in your community, get off your butt and do something about that, too. If you don't have the time, energy or inclination to do either, then please stop complaining about how unfair these codes are and how horrible life in the hood is.

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45Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

tonne :

If safety was the real issue we would make the crack dealers and gangbangers get permits . Lets have zoning go after them . Far more are killed by the gangbangers and crack dealers in one year here than the total that drown in pools statewide . This is a fact ! So lets control what has the most danger .

Hey Freeat last . . .. Envy is a non productive form of expression . . .. Fresh air ? Yep, I'm gettin plenty of it . Hate ? If I had any I sure wouldn't be pushing for a better life on the SouthSide . You seem bitter . What has caused your hate ?

Really free . . ..

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46Rockabilly(93 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

@Stan
If you had small children three or four years old would you be comfortable leaving them to play outside if your next door neighbor had that pool and that lack of security. Please just answer yes or no. It's not about crack or gang bangers or the subculture or anything else. It's about kids and that pool. I'd almost be willing to bet that you are incapable of answering that question with a yes or no.

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47tonne(199 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan -- You know as well as I do that people like Mr. DeCarlo do not and cannot issue permits to sell drugs or to carry guns. You also know requiring permits to do either or both is never going to happen. That you suggest this is exactly why I said I think you make comments sometimes just to get a rise out of people. As someone who posts daily and also reads what others post, you know from mine where I stand in regard to cleaning up Youngstown. The Southside was my home turf. I spent time as well on the Eastside as a young child. It hurts to see what they have become as it does to see the deterioration of the Northside and what's happening on the Westside, too. You and I are really on the same page in this regard. And I can see where you think enforcing pool safety codes should not be a priority, but that is what Mr. DeCarlo is charged with doing. Other than to issue citations that prevent occupany of houses in violation of housing codes or to force absent ladnlords to tear down abandoned buildings, I don't see where the Zoning Commission can do much to get rid of drug pushers or gang bangers. That's the responsibility of law enforcement and those are the ones we need to push to do their jobs, from the police to the prosecutors to the courts. I said before and I'll say it again, we have to stand up for ourselves and tell them all, "No More!" Until we do, our community will continue to wither and, I fear, eventually, it will die.

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48jshome(4 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

i have personally called the police about some scum bag ripping siding off a house behind my house twice and noone shows up ever than last week the monkeys were breaking windows out of an vacant building i called and guess what noone showed then either so if they come to my pool after all that there in for a treat!

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49MrsPoindexter(10 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

WOW!!!! You know I have not been as shocked as I have been these last few days reading how people really feels about issues! I honestly DO NOT understand how a person can take a WHOLE CITY and stereotype EVERYONE living in that city... there isn't one productive citizen in Youngstown???? Really???? And jshome... the monkeys?? You know I could rant and rave about how sickening your racism is (because calling black people monkeys is pretty much the same as saying nlgger!) but you are a sick person so I won't even bother (in fact I feel really sad FOR you). It's 2011 and while I'm sure there are plenty of bigots that share your disgusting racist views, the majority of PEOPLE ( both black and white) realize that we have bigger fish to fry than what color skin we have! Stan…. You tend to come off as an A hole (no offense intended) but I get what you are saying and I completely agree with you. Are zoning rules a safety precaution?? They may be, but with all of the crime, the murders, the drug selling, the lack of jobs, the overall disparity in the city of Youngstown, pools SHOULD NOT be the focal point of action!!! If the city is so gun ho on taking action clean up the streets!!! Honestly not to be stereotypical, but in most cases you can spot a drug dealer with the flashy car on big rims from a mile away! We know this, so why does the city seem to not take notice!! (And yes I am aware that not everyone with a flashy car on big rims in a drug dealer, but I’m willing to be a nice percentage is!) I think it’s ridiculous that with all of the destitution in the city of Youngstown, the city would rather focus on cracking down on pools with improper zoning rather than crack down on all of the drugs and murder??? NO one asked, but if you ask me this is taking the easy way out….. It’s a way for the city to look busy without actually doing anything!

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50Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

tonne :

Aw, cut the BS .Lets turn those tigers from zoning loose on the biggest threat in Youngstown . Here is a hint . The biggest safety threat in Youngstown isn't the pools in the ghetto .

Rockabilly :

If your kids get gunned down by gunfire fom the dope dealers and gangbangers you can rest assured that they didn't die in vain . The survival of the culture dwarfs all other needs . . ..

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51Rockabilly(93 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

@Stan
Here you are with all your fans watching and cheering you on and you can't answer a simple yes or no question. How is that possible? You are the one with ALL the answers to EVERYTHING and you can't answer yes or no if you would be comfortable with a three or four year old living next door to that pool. I believe the reason you can't bring yourself to answer that question is because a correct and intelligent answer would break your streak of s**t that makes no sense.

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52Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Rockabilly :

The kids can be watched which is a no brainer but there is no control over the bullets from the gangbangers and drug dealers . I propose that we require them to have permits and unleash zoning upon them . Or are they a protected species here in Youngstown ? There is no zoning to impede drug dealing or gangbanging . The lowly pools in the ghetto are now deemed to be the biggest threat and requires top priority . Am I missing something in this logic ? It's gonna be a long and hot summer . ..

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53Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

This little girl didn't die in a pool . . .. Nor did her killer need a permit to gun her down . . ..

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54whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

was unfortunate at one point in my life by drinking way too much.

one morning I woke up and had to chew my arm off to get away from a woman similiar to picture.

who's wine
what wine
where the hell did I dine
must have been a dream

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55tonne(199 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan -- "Cut the bs." What bs -- telling you that something you suggest will never happen -- that we should be pushing the justice system to do its job -- that resolving the problems that plague the city requires the active participation of its citizens -- that Youngstown is a dying town? Maybe we aren't on the same page after all. I never said pool safety was the biggest threat to the safety of the people of Youngstown or any other community for that matter. I said it was an issue that rightfully falls within the jurisdiction of the Zoning Commission and that people with pools in the city need to abide by the codes. You're the one who turned the discussion to gun permits and zoning codes for drug dealers. I don't know about your logic, but realistically, you are out in left field if you think the Zoning Commission will ever get involved in what you suggest. Other than posting your solutions to the city's problems on this site, you don't seem to be too willing to do much else. Why is that? As someone who knows as much about the hood as you say you do, one would think you would be more than willing to take an active role in eliminating it from your community.

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56Fred(131 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

These pools in the front yards protect the houses from crashes at night.The crackheads are active when the sun goes down.That fellow who chewed on his arm may be one of them.

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57Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

That's a good idea . Promoting pools in the front yards to protect the houses from drunken/doped drivers .

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58Fred(131 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

The car impacting the pool would be cushioned and it would save lives too.A pool would have saved the girl who was killed hitting the wall at the church.

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59Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

tonne :

There ya go again . More mumbo jumbo . We need that tiger from zoning to go after crime . He is wasting his talents harassing pool owners .

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60Fred(131 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Stan you are dealing with the mentality of bureaucracy and they only care about getting money from those who are not of any threat to them.I call it a safe harvest.

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61Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

Safe harvest ? OK, I never thought of it that way . You do have a valid point . The subculture rules and rocks the city . . ..

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62whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 5 months ago

re : poindexter

stop already with your racism

we all know now your a welfare collection point bringing up hood rats.

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63poollover(1 comment)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I moved into the Youngstown area 3 years ago into a neighborhood I love and a house I love. We are buying an above ground pool next year and I have no problems with permits or zoning. However, I have issues with the restrictions the zoning departmnet has placed on my getting a pool and I'm hoping that this will change. When we moved in, because we have dogs, we put up a four foot chain link fence around our backyard, which I was told last year was fine for a pool as long as the gates were kept locked and the ladder was removed from the pool. Now, when I had additional questions on zoning I was told something completely different and that the rule is a six foot privacy fence. Well, I will now have to spend additional money either refencing my yard or fencing only the pool in, which I understand due to potential dangers. However, if I have a fence around the house, an additional 3 feet of fencing around the top of a pool and a secure ladder that locks closed, shouldn't this be enough? What happened to the idea of PRIVATE property? In my opinion, if my yard is fenced with locked gates, I'm not inviting someone in and anyone who climbs over my fence is now trespassing. I understand the need for zoning but it seems that zoning is going a bit far, especially when other means could be in place.

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