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Charlie Wilson targeted:
"It was scary and hurtful"



Published: Tue, January 11, 2011 @ 12:01 a.m.

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Charlie Wilson

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U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, D-17

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John Boccieri

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Rep. Jason Altmire, D- Pa. (AP/Gene J. Puskar)

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Mike Kelly

By David Skolnick

skolnick@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

At the height of the health-care debate, then-U.S. Rep. Charlie Wilson said every day he’d receive more than 1,000 e-mails, telephone calls, letters and visits to his Washington, D.C., office from people angry about his support of the bill.

So angry, in some cases, that Wilson, a Democrat from St. Clairsville, said he felt threatened.

“I was really concerned during the campaign by the lack of respect and lack of civility,” he said Monday. “It was scary and hurtful.”

Wilson’s statements come after U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat from Arizona, was shot in the head Saturday by a gunman who opened fire outside a grocery store. Six people were killed in the event. Giffords is among the 14 people wounded.

“I was reluctant to do the kinds of meetings [Giffords] was doing,” Wilson said. “I had fear in me because we heard people were packing guns at these meetings. That concerned me.”

Wilson said people would “pound” on his D.C. office door and “scream” threats at him about his support of the health-care bill.

“If it’s an elected official, people feel they can say anything,” he said.

Like Giffords, Wilson was among the 20 incumbent Democrats with crosshairs, as if from a gun sight, on the political action committee website of Sarah Palin, the 2008 failed Republican vice presidential candidate. A Palin PAC spokeswoman has told several media outlets that the crosshairs were not intended to be gun sights.

Wilson, who lost to Republican Bill Johnson of Poland, doesn’t blame the Palin crosshairs for the Arizona incident, but said, “It certainly promoted it.”

Johnson said he strongly believes that it’s “both shameful and irresponsible” for “someone to politicize this event and say it’s about politics. I don’t see this as a political issue.”

Johnson, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, doesn’t own a handgun or have a license to carry. When asked if he’d consider getting a handgun and a license to carry, he said, “Who knows? Who knows? I certainly did not anticipate this.”

The tragic incident won’t impact Johnson meeting with his constituents.

“We’ll be cautious and keep our eyes and ears open,” he said. “I certainly am not taking it for granted that someone could be out there wanting to kill me. But it won’t change anything I do.”

Also on Palin’s crosshairs list was ex-U.S. Rep. John Boccieri of Alliance, D-16th, who lost his re-election bid in the November election.

“Words have meaning and they also have consequences,” he said. “You need to be responsible, and she was not being responsible doing that. We shouldn’t be amping up the rhetoric” about violence.

Boccieri, who also voted in favor of the health-care bill, said the rhetoric has become more dangerous and angry towards politicians since he was first elected in 2000 as a state representative in Mahoning County.

“I don’t think politicians should avoid being out in public and being with their constituents,” he said. But they need to be careful, Boccieri said.

U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Niles, D-17th, said he received several threats, particularly related to the health-care bill.

He canceled a public meeting on the bill in March at the Youngstown Community Health Center on Wick Avenue, concerned about the lack of security there. A month later, Ryan’s staff called police after receiving what they believed to be a suspicious letter in the mail. The envelope contained an angry letter about Ryan’s support of the health-care bill.

Threats to his staff were coming in as recently as a couple of months ago, Ryan said.

“No one should have to die or get shot to serve their district,” he said. “We’ve let our guard down a bit since health care and some didn’t take [threats] seriously even during health-care” debate.

Ryan said people are surprised when he tells them he has no security.

“Now, after this incident the whole world knows members of Congress don’t have security,” he said. “I don’t think we’ll curtail public events. You can’t stop doing your job and people want to see you. But some people have become more brazen and bold. There’s clearly not respect for politicians. We live in a very violent society. ”

This incident may keep people away from events, Ryan said.

Ryan said he’s considering having a member of his staff or a police officer at his public meetings watching the crowd.

U.S. Rep. Jason Altmire of McCandless, Pa., D-4th, who’s also received threatening e-mails and phone calls, said he will probably ask local police agencies to have at least one officer at his public events.

“I don’t feel my safety was ever at risk, but during the health-care time you do get threats and that causes concern,” he said. “One thing I’ve seen is the contempt [some] folks have for public officials. The rules of public discourse and civility doesn’t exist for member of Congress.”

Freshman U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly of Butler, Pa., R-3rd, will not change his public-meeting schedule because of the Giffords incident.

“We have appropriate measures in place to ensure our district offices and public events in the district are safe,” said Brad Moore, his spokesman.


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1Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The classless and dishonest libs, always looking to smear someone, even if it takes using a senseless tragedy in which people died.

So far the shameless left has blamed Governor Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and all of talk radio.

Using the same reasoning, maybe Obama incited violence when he stated, "‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ Maybe it was Elmer Fudd's fault, who was always weilding a gun as he hunted for the wabbit.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06...

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scot...

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21970mach1(1005 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This is a load of crap. The kook who shot Giffords was not part of any organization, and he is a complete lunatic. His history is as easy to tie to the left as it is the right.

Left is DISGUSTING trying to use this for political gain.

The judge who was killed was conservative. Why no hooting and hollering about that?

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3jobecail(3 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Your Right!!!! "It was scary and hurtful".Sending our voted represenatives to Washington to look out for our interests and to vote in a bill they never read or knew the content of!! Pelosi said it best-vote yes and find out later whats in it. They are scared because they knew it was wrong - NOT because some one was going to kill them but because they DID NOT DO THEIR JOBS!!!

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4timOthy(802 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Targets are Targets Palin! You said that it wasn't a Target , but a Surveyor's cross hairs from a Transit! But your part of the Momma Grizzlies. Which people use guns to kill them. Palin you and your supporters are totally nuts and if I were you I'd save my money because you are done as a Political Science Politician! No wonder your @@@@ Daughter bought a house in AZ! Must be the Capital of Nuts. And a Kid buying a house well $200,000.00 or should I say it they way it is. A unwed Mother! Does she have a Nanny to watch the Kid too?

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5timOthy(802 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Jobecail, The last I looked they did their Job Period! Your against and I'm for. You most likely have Insurance an I have none nor am I offered any because I'm INSULIN DEPENDANT. Now is that fare?And it doesn't stop there either. Who's going to hire a person who blacks out,Gets confused and sweats like a mad man? Which I'll end with this Thank You Ryan, Wilson, Brown, and Brocerri for standing up and being an American. Keep Mrs. Gifford in your prayers jobecail That's if you believe in GOD!

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6UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The shooting has nothing to do with the TEA Party or NRA. It was done by a mentally delusional crazy man. The liberal Demoliars need to quit spinning their lies. This is not about politics.

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7Photoman(1003 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The Vindicator has no shame and shows no sense of responsiblity to its readers by politicizing the deaths of these innocent citizens. They have jumped on the bandwagon of someone else's agenda and it will come back to hurt them. This tragedy did not come about because of any political party or agenda. This situation came about because of the working of one deranged mind.

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8misterlee(118 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This horrible act was committed by someone who should have been committed but that doesn't mean the violent rhetoric in Washington isn't to blame at all. When you have legitimate candidates talking about "2nd amendment solutions" some nutjob is bound to take that literally. The right is playing with fire and they know it. Also it wasn't Obama who said the bring a gun to a knife fight thing, that was Clinton. If you're going to make accusations Nonsocialist at least take 2 minutes to do a google search.

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9misterlee(118 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

And censoredship, you're paranoid you should get some psychological help before you freak out and kill a lawmaker. Mind control, seriously? Keep wearing that tin foil hat.

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10sobegirl(5 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Give me a break! The shooter is mentally ill and not one thing he wrote made sense. Politics are not the cause for someone to go berserk on a crowd. Not one time has Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin spoken about inciting violence.

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11GypsyLady(3 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

MisterLee:

Uh, maybe you need to use Google. Just sayin'.

June 13, 2008
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmit...

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12Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Yooo Hoooo....Mista Leeee!!

You libs...never letting the truth cloud your mind.

Check out the link...or google it...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmit...

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13davidjohn(144 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

shame on the vindicator

this lunatic first met the congresswoman in 2007

and expressed his dislike then

long before anyone heard about sarah palin

his favorite books on his youtube profile

clearly more left then right

suggest a psychotic schizophrenic

not capable of holding any ideology

the irony of calling someone an accomplice to murder

is lost upon people complaining about the supposedly vitriolic rhetoric

do you remember the famous chant of the left

hey hey lbj how many kids did you kill today

obama calling opponents hostage takers

like terrorists

the only person to blame is the shooter

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14ytownsteelman(628 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Just maybe Mr. Wilson, your constituents feel that they are not being represented by you, and are becoming angry that their government is trying to take over their lives against their will. You representatives are going against the will of the people you serve, and so when all of our letters, calls etc. mean nothing to you then we have to raise our voices and take it to the next level.

Perhaps if government didn't attempt to run every last freaking detail of our lives the reps wouldn't get as many threats. But if they keep up with this nanny state agenda they should expect the level of threats to increase.

Did you actually think you could do all of this and have no blowback?

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15Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Wow did the tea party spin this one .

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16author50(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

If words killed - there wouldn't be anybody left to speak or hear the words.

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17piak(508 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The article is just another reason why the Vindy is the organ of the Democratic party. Pure Left wing propaganda!

Elections are meant to be contested!!!! One party rule is the same as dictatorship, or has this valley been Democratized to repudiate any political competition? What's next? Uniformed Acorn storm troopers burning the Republican headquarters? Sound hysterical...no, just remembering what happened when another "messiah" got into office in another country many years ago. He too had a controlled press at his beck and call. Nothing bad was going to happen then, either. History sometimes repeats itself. It is up to all American's to be vigilant. Totalitarianism isn't always immediately applied; it can also be arrived at in increments, slowly and little by little, in an entirely insidious way.

Your political editor ought to realize that this nation's political leaning is JUST A LITTLE RIGHT OF CENTER. If he doesn't know or accept this, then give him something else to write about.

Skolnik's article should be used in every journalism class as an example of blatant propaganda and misrepresentation! I say should be, because the vast majority of journalists are Libera/Progressive leftists, would would applaud this article. The entire article is worthy of publication in Der Volkischer Beobachter or Der Sturmer.
Apart from the Wall Street Journal, the entire press is nothing but a Democrat propaganda mill.

Peter Zenger would hang his head in sorrow if he read what journalism has descended to. Journalism has confused itself with jurisprudence; now it doesn't inform, it instructs as if from the Bench.

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18Attis(879 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Pretty obvious from these posts that the right-wing nuts around here (aka tea party) are in deep denial. Methinks they protest too much. The venom spewing out against these targeted Representatives was especially virulent in Dahlkemper's District. Thank God she lost the race; otherwise she could have lost her life. The vicious "Dump Dahlkemper: Stop Obamacare" (with the C in the shape of hammer and sickle) still pollute I-79 in her district. Pure fascist thought and tactics.

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19RealAmericanPatriot(56 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

HOW IS THE SHOOTING OF A POLITICIAN NOT POLITICAL?????

The blood is on the hands of palin, drug limpbaugh, beck, nonsocialist, unionforever, and the like.

Bill Johnson is clearly living in outer space.

God help us all.

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20faith(200 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I called my reps and demanded healthcare reform. It has been an issue in the US for many decades. I am thankful that a first step has been taken and healthcare reform is real. Now the right wing nuts want to shoot me i'm sure but i will stand up for what i believe and that is that health care is a right, not a privilege. For those that think politics has nothing to do with this, you are in denial. The disrespect that is held toward our elected officials is sad. Not mater what side of the isle you stand on, we need to respect others opinions. Some people will agree with me and others will not. Does that mean i should have a gun sight over my head? really? wake up people.

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21James_S(268 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Charlie Wilson had the same voting record as Tim Ryan in the 111th Congress House votes #31-40.

Charlie Wilson had the same voting record as Tim Ryan in the 111th Congress House votes #21-30 EXCEPT for #25- bill (H.R. 3961) which extended by one year three Patriot Act provisions that were set to expire on February 28, 2010. Ryan voted against the extensions. Wilson voted for the extensions.

The only pro- Constitutional vote Ryan made in House votes 21-40 was when he voted against bill H.R. 3961. Wilson voted for it.

Wilson did vote against The American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454), also known as the Cap and Trade bill, in the 111th Congress House vote 12. Ryan voted for it.

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22jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Mr Wilson said he would get thousands of calls against the health care bill, people would "pound" on his door and "scream". Public meetings on the subject would "scare" him. Yet, with all of that legal dissent, he voted for it anyway (probably without reading it). And he is "scared" and "hurt". These democrats are absolute fools! Please stop voting them in office Northeast Ohio citizens! Anyway, the situation in Tucson had NOTHING to do with the health care bill or anything else political. But the dems and libs will use anyone's pain for their own good.

Mr Wilson, if you really feel "scared" voting for wildly unpopular legislation, then how about...NOT VOTING FOR UNPOPULAR LEGISLATION ANYMORE!!! That would be the "civil" thing to do since you work for the people dissenting. Jackass.

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23ValleyNative(174 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

All the world's a stage...

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24jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

As for Ryan, I am sure he has plenty of protection from the mob and the union bosses that put him in office.

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25faith(200 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

jethead, should i have pounded on the door and scream too? would that have made the legislation more popular. what you do not understand is that this issue has a 50/50 split. just because it is something that you do not like, that does not make it unpopular. of course sara pailin did not pull the trigger, however she did have a gun sight over the lady's head, but that does not mean anything right? want to buy a bridge to nowhere?

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26Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

What a bunch of sick right wing nuts !!!! Even the GOP and the tea party would be ashamed of you guys .

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27jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Faith, there were a lot of provisions in the health care bill that were popular and bipartisan. There was also a lot left out of the bill that would be good, solid solutions to the health care problem, like buying policies across state lines. The anger toward the bill I think is the fact they ran it through without informing the public of what was in it, and the many far left, socialist aspects of the bill. And the unconstitutional aspects such as requiring people to buy insurance. As we know from our school days, states can require that if their constitution allows, but not the federal government.

And there is no right to health care. There never was even that intent. Nevertheless, health care and Sarah Palin had nothing to do with the shooting in Tucson, and if politicians would listen to their constituents, they would have a lot less to worry about.

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28Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Hunter21
Great point, that map that you linked uses the term "ENEMY" when describing the Republicans. Just a few months ago President Barak Obama used the term "ENEMY" when describing the Republicans to a Latino audience.
His use of this term can ONLY be interpreted as hate speech.

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29RealAmericanPatriot(56 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Can we please put to rest this "both sides" BULL****

From Paul Krugman:

"Where's that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let's not make a false pretense of balance: it's coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It's hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be "armed and dangerous" without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.

And there's a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you'll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won't hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly, and you will."

And, again, even if Rachel Maddow slipped in a gun metaphor now and again, her audience isn't biased towards militarism and firearms. It's a metaphor without real influence. And above all, Rachel and Keith are on the air for two hours a day -- compared to hundreds of hours a day of right-wing talk. Suggesting there's equal guilt is like suggesting that because a few non-smokers die of lung cancer, smoking must not cause cancer.

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30ojanet22(134 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Are any of you right-wingers packing heat? I hope not. There are more than a few loose cannons in your midst. Just listen to yourselves! Have you learned nothing?!?!??!!

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31walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Charlie Wilson is, thankfully, old news. He was so qualified for Congress that he didn't even know the boundaries of his district and didn't get on the ballot in Mahoning County. He had to have the Democrat machine conduct a write-in campaign to get him in.

With our form of government, if elected officials don't do the bidding of their constituents, they will have to bear the heat for it. Getting angry phone calls and letters are part of the job. But, for these politicians to be so outraged at cross-hairs on a map is laughable. There is absolutely no evidence or facts to support the claim that inflammed rhetoric is to blame for the wacko going crazy with his gun. It is pure sophistry by the Left Wing Liberal Press.

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32meatballfromboardman(5 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This is way our country is in terrible shape because people think it's always political .I'm very sadden about what happen in AZ the nut job is to blame he clearly has mental problems he's to blame not the politiclans in this country AND ALSO ALL THE DRUGS THAT THESE MENTAL PEOPLE TAKE. MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG SHOULD BE HOSPITALIZE.

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33borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

To Skolnick, If you don't print the 2004 Democrat bullseye map as hunter21 brings up and a quote from Boccieri on the DNC map,then you have no decency,no integrity,no courage and if you consider yourself a journalist,don't.

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34Tigerlily(488 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Tea Partiers and gun fanatics are protective of this issue of a crazy man because they, too, are inherently crazy. Circle the wagons, folks! The normal, rational folks are mad at us for encouraging violence and handing out guns to anyone who wants them.

They forget the very key adjective in that amendment they love so much: "well-regulated"

Is this well-regulated?

Was the boy even in a militia?

Are they?

No.

Because they are CRAZY people who will do anything at all--even kill--to defend a right they've made up in their own minds via misinterpretation of the constitution.

Eat it.

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35James_S(268 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Various Republicans (especially the far-left Republican Establishment) and Democrats have called for the assassination of Julian Assange of Wikileaks.
I personally am in support of Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
Apparently, the majority of both Republican and Democratic elected and non-elected officials, the judiciary establishment, the MSM and the governments of our allies in Europe, the middle east and elsewhere have labeled Assange a terrorist.
People such as failed GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, former Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin, University of Calgary political-science Professor Tom Flanagan, an advisor to former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Vice President Joe Biden and others around the world have called for his head — literally.
All because Assange and Wikileaks has successfully exposed all of their dirty little secrets and lies.
Our elected Representatives in Congress should have nothing to hide from their constituents. They should be voicing the opinion of the people in their district that they represent in Washington.
When a Representative voices his/her opinion and the party they represent in Washington and not the opinion of their constituents, they are not doing their job and they should be tried and if found guilty, be impeached. And worse if found guilty of treason against the United States.
This, all described in the ORIGINAL Constitution. Not the one we have now, with unconstitutional law within it.

This is one thing the Democrats and the Republican Establishment have in common- the assassination of someone telling the truth and exposing them for who they really are and their role as accomplices to crimes against the United States and the Constitution... So long as it is not one of their own.

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36borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Tigerlily,You can call me and others like me crazy and you don't think you're inciting me?

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37mrblue(983 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Everyone should just calm down a minute. Think about the people who were killed and those who were injured and say a prayer for them and their families. I am as angry as the rest of you, but take a minute and think about those innocent people.

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38RealAmericanPatriot(56 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

THE "BOTH SIDES" ARGUMENT IS BOGUS.

SAYING THAT "BOTH SIDES" ARE EQUALLY GUILTY IS WRONG.

From Paul Krugman:

"Where's that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let's not make a false pretense of balance: it's coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It's hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be "armed and dangerous" without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.

And there's a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you'll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won't hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly, and you will."

And, again, even if Rachel Maddow slipped in a gun metaphor now and again, her audience isn't biased towards militarism and firearms. It's a metaphor without real influence. And above all, Rachel and Keith are on the air for two hours a day -- compared to hundreds of hours a day of right-wing talk. Suggesting there's equal guilt is like suggesting that because a few non-smokers die of lung cancer, smoking must not cause cancer.

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39pwhite1027(106 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure Charlie Wilson's ex-wife felt pretty scared and was hurt badly after he beat the hell out of her, ending their marriage a few years ago. It's all there, for public view at www.gov/belmontcounty.com

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40Valleys_Voice(149 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

It was a programmed hit. Think about the spin it has created for the government. The "need" to take away the freedom of speech and press, as well as limiting if not taking away our rights to carry a weapon. This goes way deeper than the surface.

Check out Alex Jones @ www.infowars.com for more information. You can also listen to his streaming radio show that operates out of Austin, TX - which is awakening to say the least.

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41moneymoney(21 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The last 2 Presidents to get shot at, Ford and Reagan, were Republican. Of the 4 US Presidents who have been assassinated, 3 were Republican.

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42cambridge(3010 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Valleys_Voice.....Thanks for the link for www.infowars.com. It was real interesting looking at the adds while scrolling down the right side of the home page. It's an eye opener as to what kind of lunatics visit that type of site.

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43borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

mrblue,What makes you think we haven't and aren't? The democrats do this time after time. Throw crap out there even if not true,but out there. Then it becomes liberal lore. What you ask us to do should of been done on Saturday and forever,however the left had to do the only thing they know how to do,incite people then blame others for inciting. I'll never quit thinking of that little 9 year old girl that died. Never. Have a nice day.

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The thing that these liberals have in common with the nutcase from Arizona who did the shooting is that both crave attention ! Both are a menace to societry !

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45RealAmericanPatriot(56 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I see all the reich wing trolls listened to their grand wizard druggy limbaugh today -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01...

Anyone can win a midterm, the longterm viability of the republicans party will be in jeapoardy because of leaders like him.

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46borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

RealAmericanPatriot,By calling me a reich wing troll,is that your idea of civility or are you trying to incite me?

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47Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ ojanet22

Don't be fooled

They're as cunning as they come and not to be understood as anything but the lying, uncivil and nonsensical hate filled savages they are. Note how profound it is that not one of them of that faction dared denounce the act of their fellow ingrate,.. they merely want to displace it from them.

Hence they know they're aligned with those responsible for promoting ideological acts of atrocity. Their ideology is attempting to instill intimidation by effects of bereavement. Which are intended to mortify those that oppose their senselessness. Into cowering to favoring their tyrannical architecture of anarchy extolled by and sought through acts of terrorism.

The democratic process of the populous voting to exact policy doesn't favor them. So what they so foolishly think they want. Is to incite a fight to the finish if they can't have their way of totalitarian rule.

Their dishonorable acts of deception and depravity desiring to displace diplomacy with diabolically deadly dictum. In and of itself will one day be the means of their calculable end.

See we all know what acts like this is the result of and who revels in it. Which with a growing number of those that's against it. The focus becomes clearer and the lies become far less accepted.

Which is a process that produces numbers. That will pit those savages in a self contained fight for ultimate power of diminished authority amongst themselves. Which is when they'll become a mere shadow of the deranged discourse they've so historically managed to present.

Their schematics are to operate under the disingenuous guise of feigning innocence. As their cloaked conjecture of playing upon others amendable ignorance,..

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48Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ hunter21

You're implausible,..

You dared mention something / anything by Peter von lehe Ruegner

For which he and his claims of deliberately promoting pandemonium as a means of partisanship. Are duly mentioned in this News,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMp0vV...

Care to inconveniently accept that?

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49choicelady(15 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The liberals and progressives have left no bodies in their wake. The fanatical right has dozens. Southern Poverty Law Center and others who watch hate crimes show that this demented man DID ascribe to ideas gleaned from conservative sites and speeches. The Right wants free speech without responsibility. Those were gun sights on the map, the fanatics did vandalize Giffords' office, and the threats are real. Police and others have died from ultra-fanatical right wing followers. The so-called "Left" in America is not killing people. The Right is killing people. Shameful pretenses to the contrary, those calling for "Second Amendment Remedies" and hollering "lock and load" at those with whom they disagree MUST take responsibility for what they do and say. That is the essence of democracy.

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50Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ rudypoot56

You're a victim of your own idiocy,..

Where not to posture as defense of Skolnick, Vindy or any of their staff or constituents. However, I don't find anything in this piece that would even remotely qualify as inflammatory, inaccurate or defamatory hate speech.

So now since you've postured to allege to see it so differently. Why not direct us to something or anything in this article. That even remotely qualifies as either Hate Speech, partisan politics or even untrue.

See that will shut you up and or compel you to try steering the discussion in a totally irrelevant realm of your maniacal misrepresentations,.. Lets here it.

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51sparky22(14 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

People need to realize that many laws created at the beginning of our nation's history are probably very outdated and need to be changed. One such issue that is brought up here, the right to bear arms. That was a right and will always be a right, but it made more sense back in the late 1700s when America was at its birth and not developed as it is today. People can own their guns, but it needs to be highly regulated. If you don't think it needs to be regulated, here are some things you can read to educate yourself, one being from the NRA, a group many far right wing people love:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/topics/c...

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/phil.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

I find it disheartening to think that we live in a country that has let violence spread this far out of control because of a "right" created at a time when self defense was protecting oneself from the wild animals that inhabited every person's back yard. Your right to bear a gun disappears when my right to feel safe is harmed, plain and simple. This country needs regulation on the issue so incidences like this don't happen again.

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52Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ 1970mach1

YOU ALLEGE - " This is a load of crap. The kook who shot Giffords was not part of any organization, and he is a complete lunatic. His history is as easy to tie to the left as it is the right. " ,.. THAT'S A LIE !!!

See along with the sensible bearing and rendering heartfelt sadness for all the victims regardless to age, race, gender or political party. Which to us this is no political football and it's unquestionable as to what side of the isle. That such a destruction driven demon aligned with and by mannerism whom prompted, influenced, coaxed and or compelled him,..

YOU ALSO ASSERT - " The judge who was killed was conservative. Why no hooting and hollering about that? ",. NOT SO !!!

See you need to also be informed that there's no reason nor grounds for that. Because it's now proven fact that by notes, statements and actions. The unidirectional derelict planned that attack on the democratic congresswoman so meticulously. That he was determined to attack the congressional voice in that region that was described to him as an actionable target by those he followed and listened to,..

See to contend he was acting indiscriminately is an inaccurate lie. See from how he was fed and directed he merely had no idea who Judge John M. Roll was, nor what he looked like or that he was a republican,..

See just like an array of other circuit judges. Judge John M. Roll wasn't a high visibility identity to include he wasn't targeted and portrayed as a villain by those whom

He was crazed and consumed with his murderously killing intent. That any and everybody in proximity and association of location to whom he targeted were deemed as mere collateral damage to him.

See that " Hardline Targeting " was displayed by how deliberately he gunned down everything from the non empowered elderly to that dear little 9 year old kid.

For which that federal Judge that was there by mere happenstance. Tragically became a victim presumed by the shooter to just be another person that his programmers would be glad he killed.

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53warrenindahouse(2 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Are you kidding me, Vindicator? I thought for sure this was a news organization, not biased, but objective...
I could pinpoint the political affiliation of the yahoos in charge of printing this story. It's pretty sad that as soon as I heard about this shooting, my first question was "D or R?"

Sad, huh?? So am I to assume that when Rush Limbaugh is assassinated, that it was Chris Matthew's (MSNBC) fault because he went on about how he couldn't wait to see someone push a CO2 pellet into Rush's head and watch him explode???

Major disappointment guys. You know who you are. This is such a witch hunt, I am beginning to wonder if it wasn't set up by dems upset about losing the House.

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54drx44420(38 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This and most Libs aren't saying that the Right is responsible for the shooting. What you are responsible for is the demonizing, vitriolic tone of your criticisms, and your polarizing rhetoric.

Nut cases are attracted to that BS. So don't act so offended. Accept your responsibility. You helped create the atmosphere of distrust, paranoia, and extreme anger.

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55Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ warrenindahouse

Wow,..

Where opinions are respected as individual perspectives. Which it's clear that you're on some real wingnut stuff,..

Granted like every other reader I don't always agree with Vindy's editorial opinions or what they'd deem News. However, this isn't an editorial, it is relevant and the writer is referencing personnel that unfortunately endured strife from depraved individuals.

So now opinions aside,.. Just where and or how can you contend or allege that what's written or presented in the article is at all bias?

See the clincher here is I'm no fan nor supporter of any of the individuals sharing accounts other than Tim Ryan in this last election. However, by the same token I refuse to condone, conspire, enact or align with any promoting of threatening or harming them or any other legislator or voter for any difference of vote that we may have or develop.

Hence it's clear you don't share that value. Because you're contending bias and being offended. By merely hearing of what those individuals endured. Which to those like me your contention is as disturbing as the threats they're speaking of that they endured.

Now if you'd care to attempt to clean up or clarify your position or not. As I see it what you've displayed thus far is so profound and baseless. That it's crystal clear that you're on some deflection and misdirection agenda that you can't even wage let alone support.

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56Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ choicelady

I agree,..

Although the only thing I don't do is go in for using the manipulative pre-programmed mind game terms of skulduggery.

See everybody feels they're " right " and it's not a republican brand nor does it require having an alliance with them like they'd like to have verbal signage assail.

We're to be of the knowledge that we're all " liberal ' in positions we agree with. And yet " conservative " in regards to those that we're lukewarm on.

Although bottom-line and fact is Americans aren't just starting to wake up and recognizing what they're seeing and experiencing. To include not only speaking out on it, but we're aligning with those genuinely against aligning with acts of treachery.

Those in alignment with what and whom compelled this tragedy and others like them. Are defensive because just like we all know who advocates violence, intimidation, bigotry and thrive on lies in their delivery.

We all also know that it's not Independent nor democrat party brand nor policy. To implore, promote nor enact such diabolical acts of depravity as we're witnessing.

In challenging statement,..

I'll state that every republican scribe and pundit one can think of. Are those whom not only position themselves as glad handling liars. But liars and misleader's whom absolutely refuse to denounce or rebel against the hyperbolic hate mongers that serve as pitch people for their party / faction.

See long term the promoters have a triad of problems. That being with women being treated, respected and paid equal to us as men. The fact that they've lost ground on using religion and sexuality as a manipulative tool of division. That theft by legislation is no longer as easy to perform as it once was. Along with last but not least accepting a president of color,..

HERE'S WHY THEY NEED CHAOS:

To sale their brand their lead pitch females are themselves against women rights. Their parties / factions pattern and history is littered with theft and deception. Their maniacal manipulation of religion is a salacious slap in their own hypocritical faces.

To include their avoidance of the facts has them in fits. Atop the incessant prevalence of their abhorrent racism. Has yet again become so blatant it overshadows every lie they try to tell.

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57Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Woman holding a puppet of Bush being hung by the neck, from a March 17, 2007 protest in Hollywood, California.
(Source: Ringo’s Pictures
Fantasy of Saddam Hussein killing Bush, from an October 27, 2007 protest in Los Angeles.
(Source: Ringo’s Pictures
A sign implying Bush should be killed for being a war profiteer. From an October 27, 2007 protest in Los Angeles.
(Source: Ringo’s Pictures
A child holding Bush’s tombstone, at the February 16, 2003 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime.
Bumper sticker implying that Bush should be hanged.
(Photo by Last Mohican Wider-angle shot showing the bumper sticker above in context, with a pro-Obama sticker on the same car, proving that the sticker was displayed by a Bush detractor, not a supporter.
(Photo by Last Mohican
A promotional photo from the mock-docmentary film “ Death of a President,” showing Bush being killed. (Source: USA Today .)
The picture above shows John Kerry as he was being interviewed by Bill Maher in October of 2006 on the HBO show Real Time . As can be seen in this video exclusively on the ongoodmove blog

, starting at about one minute into the clip Kerry says what can only be interpreted as a threat to kill Bush:
Maher : You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.

Kerry : Or, I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone .

Was John Kerry ever questioned or investigated for making a threat against Bush? No. (Source: National Review

On July 11, 2007, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Betty Williams gave the keynote speech to the International Women’s Peace Conference in Dallas, Texas, and said (to laughter and applause from the audience):

“I mean right now, I could kill George Bush , no problem. No, I don’t mean that. I mean — how could you nonviolently kill somebody? I would love to be able to do that .”

On August 4, 2000, when Bush won the Republican nomination (but before he was president), Craig Kilborn on CBS’s The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn ran a graphic of the words “ SNIPERS WANTED ” under George Bush as he gave his acceptance speech. Although CBS belatedly apologized five days later

, Kilborn was never investigated, questioned or punished , and continued to host the show for four more years.
Was Craig Kilborn ever questioned or investigated for making a threat against Bush? No. (Source: The Smoking Gun

For a while, CafePress allowed violent anti-Bush paraphernalia (such as this “Kill Bush” shirt) to be sold by users on its site, but after they were publicized by the Drudge Report
This wall-art poster reads “The World Needs More People Like You: Kill Bush.” Location unknown.

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58Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for ...An effigy of Bush being killed, at the April 10, 2004 anti-war rally in San Francisco"
A protester with a sign saying “Kill Bush” and advocating that the White House be bombed, at the March 18, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
“Save Mother Earth, Kill Bush” says this sign from a November 20, 2003 protest.
(Source: Innovative Minds
A recommendation that Bush should hang, from an October 27, 2007 protest in Los Angeles.
(Source: Ringo’s Pictures
“Bush is the disease, Death is the cure,” says this protester at an anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: People’s Cube
“I’m here to kill Bush (shoot me)” reads this protest sign (location unknown).
Two different pictures of the same sign saying “Bush — the only dope worth shooting,” at the March 15, 2008 anti-war rally in Los Angeles.
A sign showing Bush being shot in the head, at the March 15, 2008 anti-war rally in Los Angeles.
(Source: Ringo’s Pictures
Remember the guy in our first picture? Here he is again, with another explicit death threat against the president, this time calling for “Death to…Bush” at the October 27, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime.
And here he comes again with a third message, this time brazenly calling for “Death to…Bush” at the March 18, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime.
A protester with a sign showing Bush being beheaded.
Bush being beheaded by a guillotine, at an Obama campaign rally, Denver, October 26, 2008.
(Source: Looking at the Left
From the Same float as above Bush’s head in a basket after being decapitated by a guillotine, at an Obama campaign rally, Denver, October 26, 2008.
(Source: Looking at the Left
A sign saying “SMITE BUSH” at the June 5, 2004 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime
Protesters call for Bush to be beheaded with a guillotine, at a protest against Bush’s second inauguration, January 20, 2005, in New York.
(Source: Fred Askew Photography
An effigy of Bush being killed, at the April 10, 2004 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime.
Bush being burned in effigy, at a November 3, 2004 post-election anti-Bush rally in San Francisco.
(Source: zombietime.
There are literally hundreds of videos currently viewable on YouTube of Bush being burned in effigy.
Bush being lynched by an American flag at a rally in New York on September 19, 2006.
(Source: Fred Askew Photography
A protester with a shirt that said “Death to all posers” with a picture of Bush superimposed, at the October 27, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
This sign from a protest in Chicago says “Lee Harvey, where are you?” at the bottom, referring to JFK’s assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.
(Source: Chicago Indymedia
A protester in Denver calls for Bush to the get the Louis XVI treatment — i.e beheaded by a guillotine (Source: Looking at the Left

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59candystriper(575 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Reports are coming out that the 2 families attended the same synagogue...Gifford and his Mother knew one another. The note found in the safe said "Die B...." was probably meant for his Mother and Gabby Gifford. Doubt he is paranoid schizophrenia...angry drug addict.

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60Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Each and EVERY one of the above examples are a FACT. Each and every one of the above examples can be independently reviewed and verified to be actual events that have happened.Each and every one of the above is a thousand times worse then a simple bullseye on a map. Now I have to ask one simple question, why the he!! didnt the media scream a bloddy storm when these events happened.
The answer, that is easy, it was hatred AIMED at Republicans. All long as a Republican is the TARGET of this type of hateful rhetoric the media (vindy included) will willingly look the other way.Now I have to ask, why were these not used as examples for this story

HEY SKOLNIC HOW ABOUT YOU EARNING YOUR PAYCHECK AND REVIEW THE ABOVE AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE HE!! THESE EVENTS DONT END UP IN THE VINDY.

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61Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

It should read "as long as..."
sorry.

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62author50(1121 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

We have been butchering each other long before there were political parties known as Democrats and Republicans around. We will be doing it long after they are gone too.

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63borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Silence and Jessie, Good work. I appreciate facts.

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64sparky22(14 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@silence_dogood

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

"Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history."

It must go with the job, right?

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65borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

rudy56,If Nunny only knew how nauseating it's posts are. Most times I quit reading and contributing when Nunny starts posting. Thanks for the perfect description of Nunny.

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66Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Noooo rudypoot56

See those individuals merely gave you particles to try to stilt the slant you were trying to fabricate and still fails. See the article is exactly as it is and where I respect that you can't and for partisan purpose you're trying to spin it.

So here again,.. where in my not standing in any bias defense of the writer, Vindy or anyone else. I merely asked you to enlighten us all on how the article was to be deemed to be so one sided or malicious as you alleged it was.

Was any republican or Teabagger candidate's offices damaged or were any of them targeted with threats of violence?,.. you think those whom indefensibly were is lying?

Now you can't do it and all you present is a couple of effigies. That were used by democrats that weren't in the best choice of sterile terms. Where in non biased candor just like I'll certainly not condone what Ex-Rep Paul Kanjorski, stated about his opponent. It's evident I'm not alone and he's no longer a representative of anybody anymore,.. Ok?

To include the president using a variance of the age old analogy of not bringing a knife to a gun fight could have and likely should have been avoided and other terminology used.

However, in Kanjorski's case he was duly and rightfully rejected. He'd even apologized afterward for realizing having gone beyond the pale,.. he took responsibility.

Which in the presidents case he wasn't imploring targeting neither his nor any of his parties opponents as in any manner of extolling murder. He used the " Knife -vs- Gun " analogy in a inanimate manner of defense,.. absolutely.

See that's rationally what you're so irrationally trying to twist, contort, spin and re-paginate. In such an inaccurate retort of revisionism and it has no merit in your effort to contend " Same Same " in tone, history, consistency, intent or anything else,.. AT ALL !!!.

Hence it brings us back to the point and reality. That there's no excuse for what Palin or any of the other Teabaggers and republicans implored against any of the officials that voted differently than their candidates.

See THAT'S what I got out of the writers piece and nothing more and nothing less. Yet you're on a mission and agenda to muck it all up and mislead whom ever will listen to you and your cohort contortionists,..trying to defend the indefensible.

Just so we're clear here. See it's not partisan nor bias with me or anyone else that sensible, sane, cerebral and civil. If ANYBODY does what Palin, Fox, McCain, Sharron Angle and the Teabaggers did. Clearly imploring or embracing the conjecture of murder and targeting ANY candidate.

Had any candidate I favored did that their would be rejected, they'd be denounced and that tone, understanding, focus and respect is know and adhered to among us,.. Got That?

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67Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

No borylie A.K.A Boring Lie

The TRUTH is you know you can't get your LIES off if I or those like me respond with facts that dismantle your fiction.

So the fluster of your bluster is solely based within your knowing you don't stand a chance of misleading anybody in my presence.

See you're so nonsensical that you just told on yourself,..Unknowingly.

See because by your own statement. Fact is since we disagree and IF you even remotely knew what you were talking about. You'd relish being able to make me or those like me an example of how right you proclaim to be.

Hence, reveals you run from such discussions. Solely in order to not be exposed for how illogical, inaccurate, implausible, immature and inane. That you, your views, positions and contentions are.

See your postured statement reveals that you feel that the only way to avert your being revealed as such a salaciously circus variety silly bigot as you are. Is to and or by not having me point it out and leave it unquestionable to anyone else bearing any sense.

Now in closing I'm imploring you and those of your mindset. To try to become so reasonable, rationale, respecting, reserved and responsible. As opposed to being so repulsive and recalcitrant trying to reword another persons presentation to misrepresent whats right there to be recognized,.. Ok?

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68Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

sparky22
You are 100% right,it does go with the job.The point I was trying to make was that the story portrayed ONLY one example. We all know the Left Media is going full bore all pistons running to discredit Palin. Skolnic is doing what his Masters want him to do, that being pilling on. Now I realize that Dear old Sarar is as shallow as a puddle when it comes to the ways of the international world(or an insular American one for that matter), but that does not excuse the media one bit in thier overtly biased reporting.

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69sparky22(14 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree with you Silence_Dogood, the media is incredibly biased. The problem that I have with many of the people here is that they know it is biased, yet they continue to complain. It is like a democrat going ape-s$@t over reports streaming from Fox News. They have a strong conservative bias and it shows. Other channels have a strong liberal bias,as shows through many of the articles that the Vindy publishes. However, instead of everyone going heads over heels as many do while posting comments, read it with an open mind. I have problems with people spreading slander on both sides just because they don't agree with what the other says or believes. Biased media comes through the beauty of the right of free speech and freedom of the press. The headwigs will print how they believe, even if not doing it intentionally.A reporter's story is often times developed by what he/she believes is important to share. Many times, it isn't news, but what can you do? I believe that as Americans, we need to stand by what we believe but then again not be so closed minded about what the other side has to say. It is when each side becomes so closed minded do things get out of hand. What has gone on above has gone too far. This was a tragedy and it is impossible to realize what led it to happen. Arguing about the above reasons gets everybody no where. If anyone watched the memorial service tonight, I feel Obama said it best when he said:

"We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of violence in the future. But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another.

[...]

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized – at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do – it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.

[...]

But what we can’t do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.”

If anyone wants to take anything out of this, it is cool it. America will only remain divided with this calling each other enemies. What I believe is that we should be "happy" that there is a biased media to argue about. Not only does it share views and ideals that may not be our own, but it shows that these freedoms of speech and press are alive and well. A democracy still at work. A democracy in danger as long as people only see what they believe.

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70warrenindahouse(2 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Well said Sparky. I consider myself unrepresented by any party. All of the fighting is so frustrating. This blame game cannot help anyone, least of all Rep. Giffords. Obama and I don't see eye to eye on much of anything, and what he said tonight, and what you used in your comment, touched on a sore spot. I am guilty of getting upset at one side or another, but this finger pointing fest is useless. Neither side will win.

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71Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ Jessiedavid

No I'm not trying to convince myself of anything,.. as I see it that's your position here.

See for starters lets sensibly realize and accept that just like I'm an independent thinker. I'm not a partisan hack, I'm not influenced by BS. And let the record reflect that just like I've vocalized my disagreement with individuals on both sides of the political isle.

Also like you and everyone else I've also vocalized disagreements with various Vindy writers, individual posters and other publications and broadcasts before. But you're going to have to realize that this just isn't one of those times where I find any fault or flaw in Vindy,.. calling it fair I see nothing wrong with the writers piece..

That, said the writer merely presented the experiences of / from local representatives. As to reflect upon the resonating effect of and upon the representatives whom does and or had represented readers in it's { the writers employers } own viewership,.. makes perfectly good sense.

Although you and I differ on that. I'll not belabor the fact that I'm shocked how that locality in relation reality is even being opposed. More than opposed but so baselessly skewered by a couple whoever. In their / your attempt to have the focus, reality and partiality or totality of it twisted,.. ok so we don't see it the same.

But see I'd also not condone such intimidating acts of terrorism that were waged against neither those representatives or any voter. To be enacted on anybody regardless to party, region or anything else,.. so I guess we differ there too.

See in retrospect what I gather is republicans weren't targeted and since they weren't. Now there's some republicans / Teabaggers that would like to falsely proclaim writer, timing or source bias,.. and I find such senseless.

I can only deduce the those of your differing opinion. Is in part for the writer reflectively even bringing it back up,.. regardless to it's relevance, factuality and validity.

But that sentiment of opposition can only be possessed by individuals of a certain faction of fanatics. Trying to convince themselves that it never happened, it shouldn't be re-stated. As to shield, immunize or appease thee and or a faction that the inflictors subscribe to.

As to forge the receipt of an unwarranted reprieve. For them { opposition } to hide under a guise as if they're not aligned with the worst on the face of the earth. For bearing association with such acts of attempted overthrow of government via the savage acts of attacking legislators,.. no way in Hell will I ever enact, accept, align with nor overlook such.

Hence for clarity,.. I'm not citing any party as hosting or representing the worst on the face of the earth. I'm citing any individual[s] whom would dare try to intimidate or scathe a representative or another voter by any act of harmful threat or act of hostility,... now if that shoe fits wear it.

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72Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ Jessiedavid

Again we disagree,..

See I saw the memorial service in it's entirety and recorded it for various reasons of reference as an archive.

For which the president's message and tone is one that I don't only whole heartily agree with. But it's what I've been raised with as to exact mutual respect without bias or baseless conflict. That being one of imploring " togetherness ".

However, that's no deviation by this president because his message and manner has stayed that course all along. Yet it's been met / countered with an array of tactics in both displays and actions by those that's deliberately determined to try to derail him AND the tone of mutual respect and reasoning.

See I'll not belabor that and more progressively favor bringing to your attention. That he also implored that we as Americans need to be respectable, responsible and candid in forthright honesty when speaking and or listening to one another.

Where in listening to you here I detect a self embraced bias that's so impacting upon you yourself. That it conflicts with / contradicts everything you proclaim to want to be a part of achieving.

In regards to your issues with Vindy or anyone else.If you wish to make a positive impact and show them the errors of their ways. Contest articles or statements that you feel are skewed. Skewed as either being inaccurate, bias, too harsh or not nearly covered well enough.

HERE'S TO NON-BIAS:

See my doing so has gotten my comment log-in access denied for periods of minutes and even days at a time by Vindy personnel,.. it's their site and it is what it is..

So see you've likely not encountered that. But yet to remain unbiased and share a bit of personally embraced methodology and mannerism here with you,.. before I'm possibly permanently banned from Vindy for being so outspoken and non bias.

I've found that when / if attempting to exact positive impact change as to be a positive effect influence. One can't be deterred by such nor doesn't nonsensically come to a point of discussion. Pre constructed with a pre-programmed perspective of harboring a notion, desire or belief that they're going to dictate direction.

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73Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

IN CLOSING:

Granted to exact positive change is a work in progress. Which is where you listen and speak in a manner of initiation, response or interjection. To bring a perspective of truth to whats either already being discussed or something you feel needs to be initiated.

See it's not wrong to enter into discussion or negotiations with a specified goal of achievement. However, the bedrock of said interests should be reaching and or impacting a consensus that all sides are heard and through process of viability only those and or that of common good prevails.

Hence it's not dictatorial affluence just my personal experiences and perspective in the way I see and do things. Because to approach and or navigate otherwise is a mere sequential Tug-a-War. That that would resolve nothing and leaves the issue un-tabled but not amenably addressed.

Where for anyone to retract away from the negotiation table by choice. By either one embracing their own ignorance or to posture as a martyr in their own mind. Is the distinction of one incapable of deliberating in favor of a discriminant desire and determination to disseminate their own ignorance.

So in closing we have to realize that no ones going to be able to bring everyone out of their own clandestine cone of calamity. But that doesn't mean you have to align with it. Which to yield to dishonesty and deception, would be ones own display of lacking any worth to exacting or promoting positive change.

That said and insight shared I still have no axe to grind. That would prompt nor compel me to malign an article or writer that in this instance I can see no fault nor flaw of indifference nor bias with,.. At All !!!

So now hows that for maintaining non bias insight, relevance and integrity?,.. and being forthright in respecting both relevance and readers interests.

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74Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Jessiedavid

Along with sincerely hoping you have a safe trip. To me it seems and or appears that for the sake of corrective clarity.

I sense I have to repeat, reiterate and or state again. That I'm an independent citizen who has absolutely no affiliation with nor connection to the Vindicator nor Vindy on line,.. formal nor informal.

Where just because I don't agree, side with or bear accord with trying your and a few others disenchantment with this article.

Where not to play martyr or anything. But by occurrences I'm likely / probably more " scrutinized " by Vindy's staffers. Than you or possibly any other individual that periodically share personal views of perspective here.

Again,.. where not to belabor the point. But for the sake of inquiry and curiosity. How many times have you had your cite access denied for various periods of time?

When previously mentioned before upon inquiry censoredship stated he had a very brief occurrence and no one else stated having experienced what I had,.. so have you or not?

I can only deduce that where some posters angle to disfavor my views because we don't always or with some never agree.

Where with Vindy, I've experienced extended periods of inability to gain log-in access to comment. Which I sense is because in a way of varied difference. They don't like that I've equally presented opposing perspective for their writers angles as well.

Thus that's certainly not any accord of being neither favored by Vindy. Nor being a member of their " Team ",.. and I accept it is what it is in regards to both.

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75borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Some visual mind play.
Picture this all you readers.
I'm picturing something basically round.
Down the middle of this round object runs a crack.
In between this crack is ====NUNYA!

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76JME(801 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

If we didn't have Nunya, who could throw out some gems like this:

"Their dishonorable acts of deception and depravity desiring to displace diplomacy with diabolically deadly dictum."

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77Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

It is clear that an adjustment needs to be made on his Psychotropic Medication dosage.

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78ipaidattention(68 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Johnson said he strongly believes that it’s “both shameful and irresponsible” for “someone to politicize this event and say it’s about politics. I don’t see this as a political issue.”

You are all apparently morons, this is not politicizing it. The fact of the matter is that mentally ill people roam our streets and have access to weapons and are MENTALLY ILL. As a diehard liberal, I still believe any high profile member of congress should indeed have security at all of their events. Rather than bashing the Vindicator, who I by no means endorse as a legitimate newspaper, I mean David Betras owns it, it can't be critical, but come on, politicians of both parties are at risk for being public servants. You should all be ashame of yourselves for being so uneducated that you see this as politicized rather than objectively prompting our local leaders to get security. Hell, they even quoted Republican Bill Johnson, if you are all that miserable all you want to do is bash people with ideologies different than your own, you don't deserve to live in America. This country is founded on tolerance, and you are all intolerable morons.

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79Robert_Neville(123 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I would like to know how are we going to provide all this security for these Political leaders of ours. I have an idea lets get the military to cover for now and then we will have Black Water take over after two years.

I see that need for protection but what are these Political leaders hiding and why are they scared. If they would pass laws that the people want then they would have no problems.

Just call me the good idea fairy. I say that we pass a bill to help the States take care of the people that have Mental illness. This way we can get them the help they really need. This would be a move in the right direction. All I am saying is lets help people.

~Green is the New Red~
Neville

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80borylie(790 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

ipaidnoattention,Is this how you promote civility,calling us idiots and morons? You try to come across as above the rest of us and this is how you do it? We're uneducated and I suppose you think that you're educated above and beyond the rest of us? I think(yes, I'm capable),that you admitting that you're a diehard liberal explains it all. You and your ilk actually believe you're better than the rest of us and we need your type and only your type should be our political leaders,the rest of us peasants and you our master. While at the risk of inciting you and blaming us right wing wackos for your actions,kiss my buttocks.

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81Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

"This country is founded on tolerance, and you are all intolerable morons"

I think it would be safe to say that you are NOT one of the founding fathers, you are very intolerant,and a case could be made that you are a moron.

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